Opal 3.6.6 build problem

[László Monda]

Hi List,

I've just hit the wall with Opal:

laci@whisper:~/download/opal-3.6.6$ make
[CC] src/opal/manager.cxx
In file included from /home/laci/download/opal-3.6.6/include/opal/mediafmt.h:49,
                 from
/home/laci/download/opal-3.6.6/include/opal/connection.h:44,
                 from /home/laci/download/opal-3.6.6/include/opal/call.h:41,
                 from /home/laci/download/opal-3.6.6/include/opal/manager.h:41,
                 from /home/laci/download/opal-3.6.6/src/opal/manager.cxx:40:
/home/laci/download/opal-3.6.6/include/rtp/rtp.h:870: error:
‘PSafePtrMultiThreaded’ was not declared in this scope
/home/laci/download/opal-3.6.6/include/rtp/rtp.h:870: error: wrong
number of template arguments (2, should be 1)
/usr/include/ptlib/safecoll.h:584: error: provided for ‘template<class
T> class PSafePtr’
make: *** [/home/laci/download/opal-3.6.6/lib_linux_x86/obj/manager.o] Error 1

Thanks in advance.

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[Eugen Dedu]

László Monda wrote:

> Hi List,
>
> I've just hit the wall with Opal:
>
> laci@whisper:~/download/opal-3.6.6$ make
> [CC] src/opal/manager.cxx
> In file included from /home/laci/download/opal-3.6.6/include/opal/mediafmt.h:49,
>                  from
> /home/laci/download/opal-3.6.6/include/opal/connection.h:44,
>                  from /home/laci/download/opal-3.6.6/include/opal/call.h:41,
>                  from /home/laci/download/opal-3.6.6/include/opal/manager.h:41,
>                  from /home/laci/download/opal-3.6.6/src/opal/manager.cxx:40:
> /home/laci/download/opal-3.6.6/include/rtp/rtp.h:870: error:
> ‘PSafePtrMultiThreaded’ was not declared in this scope
> /home/laci/download/opal-3.6.6/include/rtp/rtp.h:870: error: wrong
> number of template arguments (2, should be 1)
> /usr/include/ptlib/safecoll.h:584: error: provided for ‘template<class
> T> class PSafePtr’
> make: *** [/home/laci/download/opal-3.6.6/lib_linux_x86/obj/manager.o] Error 1

Hi,

Here manager.cxx compiles very well.  You should:
- provide information about configuration parameters you have used
- the ptlib version you use

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[László Monda]

On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 11:47 PM, Eugen Dedu
<Eugen.Dedu@...> wrote:

> László Monda wrote:
>> Hi List,
>>
>> I've just hit the wall with Opal:
>>
>> laci@whisper:~/download/opal-3.6.6$ make
>> [CC] src/opal/manager.cxx
>> In file included from /home/laci/download/opal-3.6.6/include/opal/mediafmt.h:49,
>>                  from
>> /home/laci/download/opal-3.6.6/include/opal/connection.h:44,
>>                  from /home/laci/download/opal-3.6.6/include/opal/call.h:41,
>>                  from /home/laci/download/opal-3.6.6/include/opal/manager.h:41,
>>                  from /home/laci/download/opal-3.6.6/src/opal/manager.cxx:40:
>> /home/laci/download/opal-3.6.6/include/rtp/rtp.h:870: error:
>> ‘PSafePtrMultiThreaded’ was not declared in this scope
>> /home/laci/download/opal-3.6.6/include/rtp/rtp.h:870: error: wrong
>> number of template arguments (2, should be 1)
>> /usr/include/ptlib/safecoll.h:584: error: provided for ‘template<class
>> T> class PSafePtr’
>> make: *** [/home/laci/download/opal-3.6.6/lib_linux_x86/obj/manager.o] Error 1
>
> Hi,
>
> Here manager.cxx compiles very well.  You should:
> - provide information about configuration parameters you have used
> - the ptlib version you use

It works now.  I used the libpt2.6.1-dev package of Ubuntu Jaunty and
that's why the build failed.  When using ptlib-2.6.5.tar.gz that is
provided in the Ekiga download page it worked like a charm.

Wouldn't it be useful to notify the folks to use the provided tarballs
instead of distribution-specific dev packages?  It could be mentioned
in a little text next to the tarballs.

>
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[Eugen Dedu]

László Monda wrote:

> On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 11:47 PM, Eugen Dedu
> <Eugen.Dedu@...> wrote:
>> László Monda wrote:
>>> Hi List,
>>>
>>> I've just hit the wall with Opal:
>>>
>>> laci@whisper:~/download/opal-3.6.6$ make
>>> [CC] src/opal/manager.cxx
>>> In file included from /home/laci/download/opal-3.6.6/include/opal/mediafmt.h:49,
>>>                  from
>>> /home/laci/download/opal-3.6.6/include/opal/connection.h:44,
>>>                  from /home/laci/download/opal-3.6.6/include/opal/call.h:41,
>>>                  from /home/laci/download/opal-3.6.6/include/opal/manager.h:41,
>>>                  from /home/laci/download/opal-3.6.6/src/opal/manager.cxx:40:
>>> /home/laci/download/opal-3.6.6/include/rtp/rtp.h:870: error:
>>> ‘PSafePtrMultiThreaded’ was not declared in this scope
>>> /home/laci/download/opal-3.6.6/include/rtp/rtp.h:870: error: wrong
>>> number of template arguments (2, should be 1)
>>> /usr/include/ptlib/safecoll.h:584: error: provided for ‘template<class
>>> T> class PSafePtr’
>>> make: *** [/home/laci/download/opal-3.6.6/lib_linux_x86/obj/manager.o] Error 1
>> Hi,
>>
>> Here manager.cxx compiles very well.  You should:
>> - provide information about configuration parameters you have used
>> - the ptlib version you use
>
> It works now.  I used the libpt2.6.1-dev package of Ubuntu Jaunty and
> that's why the build failed.  When using ptlib-2.6.5.tar.gz that is
> provided in the Ekiga download page it worked like a charm.
>
> Wouldn't it be useful to notify the folks to use the provided tarballs
> instead of distribution-specific dev packages?  It could be mentioned
> in a little text next to the tarballs.

The problem is not where the tarball comes from.  The problem is the
version.  I will inform the person invoved...

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[László Monda]

Apart from fixing the version dependency issue of ptlib in the
configure script, it should be reported to Ubuntu to upgrade from
Ekiga 3.2.0 to Ekiga 3.2.6 in Jaunty because the former was incredibly
unstable on my machine and I can see in the changelog the numerous
stability fixes that have been made between the two versions.

The question is whether they're willing to make the upgrade in the
lifetime of Jaunty.  3.2.0 is pretty much useless due to stability
issues based on my experience.

On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 11:00 AM, Eugen Dedu
<Eugen.Dedu@...> wrote:

> László Monda wrote:
>> On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 11:47 PM, Eugen Dedu
>> <Eugen.Dedu@...> wrote:
>>> László Monda wrote:
>>>> Hi List,
>>>>
>>>> I've just hit the wall with Opal:
>>>>
>>>> laci@whisper:~/download/opal-3.6.6$ make
>>>> [CC] src/opal/manager.cxx
>>>> In file included from /home/laci/download/opal-3.6.6/include/opal/mediafmt.h:49,
>>>>                  from
>>>> /home/laci/download/opal-3.6.6/include/opal/connection.h:44,
>>>>                  from /home/laci/download/opal-3.6.6/include/opal/call.h:41,
>>>>                  from /home/laci/download/opal-3.6.6/include/opal/manager.h:41,
>>>>                  from /home/laci/download/opal-3.6.6/src/opal/manager.cxx:40:
>>>> /home/laci/download/opal-3.6.6/include/rtp/rtp.h:870: error:
>>>> ‘PSafePtrMultiThreaded’ was not declared in this scope
>>>> /home/laci/download/opal-3.6.6/include/rtp/rtp.h:870: error: wrong
>>>> number of template arguments (2, should be 1)
>>>> /usr/include/ptlib/safecoll.h:584: error: provided for ‘template<class
>>>> T> class PSafePtr’
>>>> make: *** [/home/laci/download/opal-3.6.6/lib_linux_x86/obj/manager.o] Error 1
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Here manager.cxx compiles very well.  You should:
>>> - provide information about configuration parameters you have used
>>> - the ptlib version you use
>>
>> It works now.  I used the libpt2.6.1-dev package of Ubuntu Jaunty and
>> that's why the build failed.  When using ptlib-2.6.5.tar.gz that is
>> provided in the Ekiga download page it worked like a charm.
>>
>> Wouldn't it be useful to notify the folks to use the provided tarballs
>> instead of distribution-specific dev packages?  It could be mentioned
>> in a little text next to the tarballs.
>
> The problem is not where the tarball comes from.  The problem is the
> version.  I will inform the person invoved...
>
> --
> Eugen
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[Yannick-GNU/Linux]

László Monda a écrit :
> Apart from fixing the version dependency issue of ptlib in the
> configure script, it should be reported to Ubuntu to upgrade from
> Ekiga 3.2.0 to Ekiga 3.2.6 in Jaunty because the former was incredibly
> unstable on my machine and I can see in the changelog the numerous
> stability fixes that have been made between the two versions.
>

Well, quite frankly, Ubuntu do not do (will) such things. atm I'm trying
to get 3.2.6 in Karmic and I have very few hopes; see
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ekiga/+bug/435295

For now, I've packages of 3.2.6 for Jaunty and Karmic here:
https://launchpad.net/~sevmek/+archive/ekiga-released

> The question is whether they're willing to make the upgrade in the
> lifetime of Jaunty.  3.2.0 is pretty much useless due to stability
> issues based on my experience.
>
> On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 11:00 AM, Eugen Dedu
> <Eugen.Dedu@...> wrote:
>> László Monda wrote:
>>> On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 11:47 PM, Eugen Dedu
>>> <Eugen.Dedu@...> wrote:
>>>> László Monda wrote:
>>>>> Hi List,
>>>>>
>>>>> I've just hit the wall with Opal:
>>>>>
>>>>> laci@whisper:~/download/opal-3.6.6$ make
>>>>> [CC] src/opal/manager.cxx
>>>>> In file included from /home/laci/download/opal-3.6.6/include/opal/mediafmt.h:49,
>>>>>                  from
>>>>> /home/laci/download/opal-3.6.6/include/opal/connection.h:44,
>>>>>                  from /home/laci/download/opal-3.6.6/include/opal/call.h:41,
>>>>>                  from /home/laci/download/opal-3.6.6/include/opal/manager.h:41,
>>>>>                  from /home/laci/download/opal-3.6.6/src/opal/manager.cxx:40:
>>>>> /home/laci/download/opal-3.6.6/include/rtp/rtp.h:870: error:
>>>>> ‘PSafePtrMultiThreaded’ was not declared in this scope
>>>>> /home/laci/download/opal-3.6.6/include/rtp/rtp.h:870: error: wrong
>>>>> number of template arguments (2, should be 1)
>>>>> /usr/include/ptlib/safecoll.h:584: error: provided for ‘template<class
>>>>> T> class PSafePtr’
>>>>> make: *** [/home/laci/download/opal-3.6.6/lib_linux_x86/obj/manager.o] Error 1
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Here manager.cxx compiles very well.  You should:
>>>> - provide information about configuration parameters you have used
>>>> - the ptlib version you use
>>> It works now.  I used the libpt2.6.1-dev package of Ubuntu Jaunty and
>>> that's why the build failed.  When using ptlib-2.6.5.tar.gz that is
>>> provided in the Ekiga download page it worked like a charm.
>>>
>>> Wouldn't it be useful to notify the folks to use the provided tarballs
>>> instead of distribution-specific dev packages?  It could be mentioned
>>> in a little text next to the tarballs.
>> The problem is not where the tarball comes from.  The problem is the
>> version.  I will inform the person invoved...
>>
>> --
>> Eugen
>> _______________________________________________
>> Ekiga-devel-list mailing list
>> Ekiga-devel-list@...
>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-devel-list
>
>
>

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[László Monda]

I truly hope they'll have 3.2.6 in Karmic because the bugs in 3.2.0
could hammer Ekiga's reputation.

On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 6:22 PM, yannick <sevmek@...> wrote:

> László Monda a écrit :
>> Apart from fixing the version dependency issue of ptlib in the
>> configure script, it should be reported to Ubuntu to upgrade from
>> Ekiga 3.2.0 to Ekiga 3.2.6 in Jaunty because the former was incredibly
>> unstable on my machine and I can see in the changelog the numerous
>> stability fixes that have been made between the two versions.
>>
>
> Well, quite frankly, Ubuntu do not do (will) such things. atm I'm trying
> to get 3.2.6 in Karmic and I have very few hopes; see
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ekiga/+bug/435295
>
> For now, I've packages of 3.2.6 for Jaunty and Karmic here:
> https://launchpad.net/~sevmek/+archive/ekiga-released
>
>> The question is whether they're willing to make the upgrade in the
>> lifetime of Jaunty.  3.2.0 is pretty much useless due to stability
>> issues based on my experience.
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 11:00 AM, Eugen Dedu
>> <Eugen.Dedu@...> wrote:
>>> László Monda wrote:
>>>> On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 11:47 PM, Eugen Dedu
>>>> <Eugen.Dedu@...> wrote:
>>>>> László Monda wrote:
>>>>>> Hi List,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've just hit the wall with Opal:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> laci@whisper:~/download/opal-3.6.6$ make
>>>>>> [CC] src/opal/manager.cxx
>>>>>> In file included from /home/laci/download/opal-3.6.6/include/opal/mediafmt.h:49,
>>>>>>                  from
>>>>>> /home/laci/download/opal-3.6.6/include/opal/connection.h:44,
>>>>>>                  from /home/laci/download/opal-3.6.6/include/opal/call.h:41,
>>>>>>                  from /home/laci/download/opal-3.6.6/include/opal/manager.h:41,
>>>>>>                  from /home/laci/download/opal-3.6.6/src/opal/manager.cxx:40:
>>>>>> /home/laci/download/opal-3.6.6/include/rtp/rtp.h:870: error:
>>>>>> ‘PSafePtrMultiThreaded’ was not declared in this scope
>>>>>> /home/laci/download/opal-3.6.6/include/rtp/rtp.h:870: error: wrong
>>>>>> number of template arguments (2, should be 1)
>>>>>> /usr/include/ptlib/safecoll.h:584: error: provided for ‘template<class
>>>>>> T> class PSafePtr’
>>>>>> make: *** [/home/laci/download/opal-3.6.6/lib_linux_x86/obj/manager.o] Error 1
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> Here manager.cxx compiles very well.  You should:
>>>>> - provide information about configuration parameters you have used
>>>>> - the ptlib version you use
>>>> It works now.  I used the libpt2.6.1-dev package of Ubuntu Jaunty and
>>>> that's why the build failed.  When using ptlib-2.6.5.tar.gz that is
>>>> provided in the Ekiga download page it worked like a charm.
>>>>
>>>> Wouldn't it be useful to notify the folks to use the provided tarballs
>>>> instead of distribution-specific dev packages?  It could be mentioned
>>>> in a little text next to the tarballs.
>>> The problem is not where the tarball comes from.  The problem is the
>>> version.  I will inform the person invoved...
>>>
>>> --
>>> Eugen
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Ekiga-devel-list mailing list
>>> Ekiga-devel-list@...
>>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-devel-list
>>
>>
>>
>
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[Yannick-GNU/Linux]

László Monda a écrit :
> I truly hope they'll have 3.2.6 in Karmic because the bugs in 3.2.0
> could hammer Ekiga's reputation.

Well, IMHO Ubuntu is doing a poor job at quality assurance.

As member of the Ekiga team and supporting my own daily distro (Ubuntu)
I've a quite long history of bad support in Ubuntu, e.g. see:
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Ekiga#Gutsy 7.10 Troubleshooting

The long time before 3.x was included in Ubuntu, or the last event when
Ubuntu replaced Ekiga and Pidgin with Empathy. They involved them quite
early in "usability"
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EmpathyVsPidginUsability

They never did publicly a comparison featurewise between ekiga and Empathy:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/+bug/253765

SIP is broken in Empathy:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/+bug/253765/comments/12

And finaly Ubuntu tested VoIP with Empathy few days ago (they will
release in 1 month...) and VoIP is not reliable:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/+bug/434878 (see the
reporters, it is Ubuntu internal).

Thus, the issue here, is not Ekiga's reputation, but Ubuntu's reputation...

Even If I'm quite disapointed, Ubuntu is the distro I use daily on my 2
computers and I even installed it at work (a primary school)... But I do
not advice people/friends about GNU/Linux much (except one of my friend,
but he is in the computer business...)

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[László Monda]

I'm disappointed about the current situation.

How about creating an APT repository for Ekiga and its dependencies
for the recent Ubuntu releases?  Would it override the official Ubuntu
packages?

It could be even put to the Ekiga site.

On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 7:00 PM, yannick <sevmek@...> wrote:

> László Monda a écrit :
>> I truly hope they'll have 3.2.6 in Karmic because the bugs in 3.2.0
>> could hammer Ekiga's reputation.
>
> Well, IMHO Ubuntu is doing a poor job at quality assurance.
>
> As member of the Ekiga team and supporting my own daily distro (Ubuntu)
> I've a quite long history of bad support in Ubuntu, e.g. see:
> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Ekiga#Gutsy 7.10 Troubleshooting
>
> The long time before 3.x was included in Ubuntu, or the last event when
> Ubuntu replaced Ekiga and Pidgin with Empathy. They involved them quite
> early in "usability"
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EmpathyVsPidginUsability
>
> They never did publicly a comparison featurewise between ekiga and Empathy:
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/+bug/253765
>
> SIP is broken in Empathy:
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/+bug/253765/comments/12
>
> And finaly Ubuntu tested VoIP with Empathy few days ago (they will
> release in 1 month...) and VoIP is not reliable:
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/+bug/434878 (see the
> reporters, it is Ubuntu internal).
>
> Thus, the issue here, is not Ekiga's reputation, but Ubuntu's reputation...
>
> Even If I'm quite disapointed, Ubuntu is the distro I use daily on my 2
> computers and I even installed it at work (a primary school)... But I do
> not advice people/friends about GNU/Linux much (except one of my friend,
> but he is in the computer business...)
>
> Best regards,
> Yannick
> _______________________________________________
> Ekiga-devel-list mailing list
> Ekiga-devel-list@...
> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-devel-list

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[Yannick-GNU/Linux]

László Monda a écrit :
> I'm disappointed about the current situation.
>
> How about creating an APT repository for Ekiga and its dependencies
> for the recent Ubuntu releases?

Done:
https://launchpad.net/~sevmek/+archive/ekiga-released
(for Jaunty and Karmic)
I'm working for 8.04 Hardy, but it is tricky...

>  Would it override the official Ubuntu
> packages?

You need to add it manually, after that it will overwrite (see the
description)

>
> It could be even put to the Ekiga site.

That's the plan, but I've some work to do on ekiga.org first... Should
be ready in a few weeks.

>
> On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 7:00 PM, yannick <sevmek@...> wrote:
>> László Monda a écrit :
>>> I truly hope they'll have 3.2.6 in Karmic because the bugs in 3.2.0
>>> could hammer Ekiga's reputation.
>> Well, IMHO Ubuntu is doing a poor job at quality assurance.
>>
>> As member of the Ekiga team and supporting my own daily distro (Ubuntu)
>> I've a quite long history of bad support in Ubuntu, e.g. see:
>> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Ekiga#Gutsy 7.10 Troubleshooting
>>
>> The long time before 3.x was included in Ubuntu, or the last event when
>> Ubuntu replaced Ekiga and Pidgin with Empathy. They involved them quite
>> early in "usability"
>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EmpathyVsPidginUsability
>>
>> They never did publicly a comparison featurewise between ekiga and Empathy:
>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/+bug/253765
>>
>> SIP is broken in Empathy:
>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/+bug/253765/comments/12
>>
>> And finaly Ubuntu tested VoIP with Empathy few days ago (they will
>> release in 1 month...) and VoIP is not reliable:
>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/+bug/434878 (see the
>> reporters, it is Ubuntu internal).
>>
>> Thus, the issue here, is not Ekiga's reputation, but Ubuntu's reputation...
>>
>> Even If I'm quite disapointed, Ubuntu is the distro I use daily on my 2
>> computers and I even installed it at work (a primary school)... But I do
>> not advice people/friends about GNU/Linux much (except one of my friend,
>> but he is in the computer business...)
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Yannick
>> _______________________________________________
>> Ekiga-devel-list mailing list
>> Ekiga-devel-list@...
>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-devel-list
>
>
>

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[László Monda]

The current situation of the integration of the most recent Ekiga into
Ubuntu bothers me and I was thinking about possible solutions.

I think valid reasoning can go a long way.  The central reason should
be that Ekiga is the only working SIP client in the whole distribution
and its current version in Ubuntu is clearly broken in many ways so
its mandatory to upgrade to the most recent version in Jaunty.

The question is where should I raise this issue (what communication
channel) where it's the most visible to all the relevant people.

On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 7:26 PM, yannick <sevmek@...> wrote:

> László Monda a écrit :
>> I'm disappointed about the current situation.
>>
>> How about creating an APT repository for Ekiga and its dependencies
>> for the recent Ubuntu releases?
>
> Done:
> https://launchpad.net/~sevmek/+archive/ekiga-released
> (for Jaunty and Karmic)
> I'm working for 8.04 Hardy, but it is tricky...
>
>>  Would it override the official Ubuntu
>> packages?
>
> You need to add it manually, after that it will overwrite (see the
> description)
>
>>
>> It could be even put to the Ekiga site.
>
> That's the plan, but I've some work to do on ekiga.org first... Should
> be ready in a few weeks.
>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 7:00 PM, yannick <sevmek@...> wrote:
>>> László Monda a écrit :
>>>> I truly hope they'll have 3.2.6 in Karmic because the bugs in 3.2.0
>>>> could hammer Ekiga's reputation.
>>> Well, IMHO Ubuntu is doing a poor job at quality assurance.
>>>
>>> As member of the Ekiga team and supporting my own daily distro (Ubuntu)
>>> I've a quite long history of bad support in Ubuntu, e.g. see:
>>> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Ekiga#Gutsy 7.10 Troubleshooting
>>>
>>> The long time before 3.x was included in Ubuntu, or the last event when
>>> Ubuntu replaced Ekiga and Pidgin with Empathy. They involved them quite
>>> early in "usability"
>>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EmpathyVsPidginUsability
>>>
>>> They never did publicly a comparison featurewise between ekiga and Empathy:
>>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/+bug/253765
>>>
>>> SIP is broken in Empathy:
>>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/+bug/253765/comments/12
>>>
>>> And finaly Ubuntu tested VoIP with Empathy few days ago (they will
>>> release in 1 month...) and VoIP is not reliable:
>>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/+bug/434878 (see the
>>> reporters, it is Ubuntu internal).
>>>
>>> Thus, the issue here, is not Ekiga's reputation, but Ubuntu's reputation...
>>>
>>> Even If I'm quite disapointed, Ubuntu is the distro I use daily on my 2
>>> computers and I even installed it at work (a primary school)... But I do
>>> not advice people/friends about GNU/Linux much (except one of my friend,
>>> but he is in the computer business...)
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Yannick
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>>> Ekiga-devel-list@...
>>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-devel-list
>>
>>
>>
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Le mardi 29 septembre 2009 à 19:26 +0200, yannick a écrit :

> László Monda a écrit :
> > I'm disappointed about the current situation.
> >
> > How about creating an APT repository for Ekiga and its dependencies
> > for the recent Ubuntu releases?
>
> Done:
> https://launchpad.net/~sevmek/+archive/ekiga-released
> (for Jaunty and Karmic)
> I'm working for 8.04 Hardy, but it is tricky...
>
> >  Would it override the official Ubuntu
> > packages?
>
> You need to add it manually, after that it will overwrite (see the
> description)
>
> >
> > It could be even put to the Ekiga site.
>
> That's the plan, but I've some work to do on ekiga.org first... Should
> be ready in a few weeks.

It should become our first priority. After all, it is our "vitrin".

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[László Monda]

On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 8:17 AM, Damien Sandras <dsandras@...> wrote:

> Le mardi 29 septembre 2009 à 19:26 +0200, yannick a écrit :
>> László Monda a écrit :
>> > I'm disappointed about the current situation.
>> >
>> > How about creating an APT repository for Ekiga and its dependencies
>> > for the recent Ubuntu releases?
>>
>> Done:
>> https://launchpad.net/~sevmek/+archive/ekiga-released
>> (for Jaunty and Karmic)
>> I'm working for 8.04 Hardy, but it is tricky...
>>
>> >  Would it override the official Ubuntu
>> > packages?
>>
>> You need to add it manually, after that it will overwrite (see the
>> description)
>>
>> >
>> > It could be even put to the Ekiga site.
>>
>> That's the plan, but I've some work to do on ekiga.org first... Should
>> be ready in a few weeks.
>
> It should become our first priority. After all, it is our "vitrin".

I would help on this by authoring the site if it would be MediaWiki
based, but custom sites are often make authoring too much of a pain.

>
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> (o-
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>
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[Yannick-GNU/Linux]

László Monda a écrit :

> On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 8:17 AM, Damien Sandras <dsandras@...> wrote:
>> Le mardi 29 septembre 2009 à 19:26 +0200, yannick a écrit :
>>> László Monda a écrit :
>>>> I'm disappointed about the current situation.
>>>>
>>>> How about creating an APT repository for Ekiga and its dependencies
>>>> for the recent Ubuntu releases?
>>> Done:
>>> https://launchpad.net/~sevmek/+archive/ekiga-released
>>> (for Jaunty and Karmic)
>>> I'm working for 8.04 Hardy, but it is tricky...
>>>
>>>>  Would it override the official Ubuntu
>>>> packages?
>>> You need to add it manually, after that it will overwrite (see the
>>> description)
>>>
>>>> It could be even put to the Ekiga site.
>>> That's the plan, but I've some work to do on ekiga.org first... Should
>>> be ready in a few weeks.
>> It should become our first priority. After all, it is our "vitrin".
>
> I would help on this by authoring the site if it would be MediaWiki
> based, but custom sites are often make authoring too much of a pain.
>

We will go drupal http://drupal.org/ Damien is right, hopefully I'll
find some time to start the theme today.
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[Yannick-GNU/Linux]

yannick a écrit :

> László Monda a écrit :
>> I truly hope they'll have 3.2.6 in Karmic because the bugs in 3.2.0
>> could hammer Ekiga's reputation.
>
> Well, IMHO Ubuntu is doing a poor job at quality assurance.
>
> As member of the Ekiga team and supporting my own daily distro (Ubuntu)
> I've a quite long history of bad support in Ubuntu, e.g. see:
> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Ekiga#Gutsy 7.10 Troubleshooting
>
> The long time before 3.x was included in Ubuntu, or the last event when
> Ubuntu replaced Ekiga and Pidgin with Empathy. They involved them quite
> early in "usability"
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EmpathyVsPidginUsability
>
> They never did publicly a comparison featurewise between ekiga and Empathy:
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/+bug/253765
>
> SIP is broken in Empathy:
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/+bug/253765/comments/12
>
> And finaly Ubuntu tested VoIP with Empathy few days ago (they will
> release in 1 month...) and VoIP is not reliable:
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/+bug/434878 (see the
> reporters, it is Ubuntu internal).
>
> Thus, the issue here, is not Ekiga's reputation, but Ubuntu's reputation...

And this is now ~ official:

http://www.jonobacon.org/2009/10/02/ubuntu-9-10-karmic-koala-beta-released-testers-needed/
Jono Bacon is something like community manager for Ubuntu,

"../..
Empathy Audio and Video Calls

Karmic ships with a new instant messaging client called Empathy, based
on the tremendous Telepathy framework. Empathy is the right direction
for IM in the GNOME and Ubuntu projects, and recent additions to it
include screen sharing and audio and video calling. The audio/video side
of Empathy has had some mixed results for different users, so this
really needs your love.

This is how you test:
../.."

>
> Even If I'm quite disapointed, Ubuntu is the distro I use daily on my 2
> computers and I even installed it at work (a primary school)... But I do
> not advice people/friends about GNU/Linux much (except one of my friend,
> but he is in the computer business...)
>
> Best regards,
> Yannick
> _______________________________________________
> Ekiga-devel-list mailing list
> Ekiga-devel-list@...
> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-devel-list

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