OpenBSD in the webcomic XKCD

[Tonnerre LOMBARD-3]

Salut,

On Mon, Nov 26, 2007 at 04:49:20PM +0100, David Vasek wrote:
> The Lynx displays only 'alt', not 'title', texts. Old Netscape Navigators

That behavior is actually correct since title= is for annotations to the
image while alt= is for the case when the image cannot at all be displayed.
(I'm sure that's not really OpenBSD related though.)

                                Tonnerre

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[Artur Grabowski]

Johan Mson Lindman <jl@...> writes:

> On Monday 26 November 2007 18:37:05 you wrote:
> > "V. Karthik Kumar" <karthikkumar@...> writes:
> > > Artur Grabowski wrote:
> > > > frantisek holop <minusf@...> writes:
> > > >> but can't call yerself a unix guru if havent fu*ed up
> > > >> dual boot at least once :]
> > > >
> > > > never fucked up a dual boot. Only tried it two times and both times it
> > > > worked. Dual boot is for sissies who can't get a second machine.
> > >
> > > Either you knew everything then or you got incredibly lucky. Lots of
> > > times, you aren't lucky even if you knew it all. Maybe if it all went
> > > wrong, you'd have lost all partitions and would be to blame. We all
> > > learn from mistakes and there is absolutely nothing "wrong" about
> > > getting it "wrong". :-)
> >
> > no, the "wrong" part is in actually trying. :)
> >
> > //art
>
>
> W/ "recent" changes to bootloader why _shouldn't_ you dualboot
> i386 and amd64 on your amd64 laptop? ;-P

Because then I'd spend more time booting and less time hacking. :)

//art

[David Gwynne]

dual booting is having two kernels. bsd and bsd.working.

On 27/11/2007, at 2:14 AM, Artur Grabowski wrote:

> frantisek holop <minusf@...> writes:
>
>> but can't call yerself a unix guru if havent fu*ed up
>> dual boot at least once :]
>
> never fucked up a dual boot. Only tried it two times and both times it
> worked. Dual boot is for sissies who can't get a second machine.
>
> //art

[Greg Thomas-3]

hahahah, nice.

that being said as a complete newbie with just the help from the FAQ
and a calculator I never messed up a dual boot.

On Nov 26, 2007 3:14 PM, David Gwynne <loki@...> wrote:

>
> dual booting is having two kernels. bsd and bsd.working.
>
> On 27/11/2007, at 2:14 AM, Artur Grabowski wrote:
>
> > frantisek holop <minusf@...> writes:
> >
> >> but can't call yerself a unix guru if havent fu*ed up
> >> dual boot at least once :]
> >
> > never fucked up a dual boot. Only tried it two times and both times it
> > worked. Dual boot is for sissies who can't get a second machine.
> >

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[Travers Buda-2]

* Nick Guenther <kousue@...> [2007-11-26 11:14:29]:

> On 11/26/07, mickey <mickey@...> wrote:
> > On Mon, Nov 26, 2007 at 01:55:16PM +0200, Paul Irofti wrote:
> > > On Mon, Nov 26, 2007 at 10:57:28AM +0000, Edd Barrett wrote:
> > > > On 26/11/2007, Richard Wilson <richard.wilson@...> wrote:
> > > > > http://www.xkcd.com/349/
> > > > >
> > > > > Observe the ALT text on the comic.
> > > > >
> > > > > Haven't seen a PR on that one...
> > > >
> > > > What do they mean by this?
> >
> > poor dude pbly cannot do adding proper in his disklabel...
> > MATH WORKS BITCHES!
>
> 'poor dude' probably never even tried... did you actually read the comic?
> meh. I find it more interesting that "BSD" appearently defaults to
> OpenBSD and not FreeBSD here.
>
> -Nick
>

That's because FreeBSD _is_ linux, with perhaps a bit more mature
codebase. =P

--
Travers Buda

[new_guy]

Richard Wilson-5 wrote:

http://www.xkcd.com/349/

In response to the comic.... after recently coming back to OpenBSD after many years of not using it often, I found it refreshingly simple and easy to install compared to the average Linux stuff out today! Dual-boot, single-boot, etc... it's all very straight-forward with some of the best man pages anywhere! Quickest install of any Unix-like OS... I can do it in 2 - 5 minutes with my eyes closed... how the comic strip dude ended-up ruining two systems and being threatened by sharks is beyond me... I think the chick needs to get a new boyfriend :)

[Travers Buda-2]

* frantisek holop <minusf@...> [2007-11-26 19:13:02]:

> hmm, on Mon, Nov 26, 2007 at 05:14:50PM +0100, Artur Grabowski said that
> > worked. Dual boot is for sissies who can't get a second machine.
>
> single boot is for sissies who drag around 3 notebooks with themselves :p
>

Yeah, but people think you're uber-leet when you bust out three
machines in a coffee shop and use them all at the same time.

Yes, I do have six hands.

--
Travers Buda

[Artur Grabowski]

Oh.. I've fucked up that many times.

Always amusing. I once even had a kernel named:
bsd.do_not_remove_this_art_really
that Bob put there after the third time I had to borrow a dock from him to
reinstall my laptop.

//art

David Gwynne <loki@...> writes:

> dual booting is having two kernels. bsd and bsd.working.
>
> On 27/11/2007, at 2:14 AM, Artur Grabowski wrote:
>
> > frantisek holop <minusf@...> writes:
> >
> >> but can't call yerself a unix guru if havent fu*ed up
> >> dual boot at least once :]
> >
> > never fucked up a dual boot. Only tried it two times and both times it
> > worked. Dual boot is for sissies who can't get a second machine.
> >
> > //art

[Travers Buda-2]

* Artur Grabowski <art@...> [2007-11-27 01:30:56]:

> Oh.. I've fucked up that many times.
>
> Always amusing. I once even had a kernel named:
> bsd.do_not_remove_this_art_really
> that Bob put there after the third time I had to borrow a dock from him to
> reinstall my laptop.
>
> //art

I've always found the immutable bsd.rd to be a safe bet.

--
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[Artur Grabowski]

frantisek holop <minusf@...> writes:

> hmm, on Mon, Nov 26, 2007 at 05:14:50PM +0100, Artur Grabowski said that
> > worked. Dual boot is for sissies who can't get a second machine.
>
> single boot is for sissies who drag around 3 notebooks with themselves :p

I guess you've never hacked the kernel seriously and gotten annoyed by the
music stopping when you need to reboot a new kernel.

//art

[Nick Holland]

V. Karthik Kumar wrote:

> Artur Grabowski wrote:
>> frantisek holop <minusf@...> writes:
>>
>>> but can't call yerself a unix guru if havent fu*ed up
>>> dual boot at least once :]
>>
>> never fucked up a dual boot. Only tried it two times and both times it
>> worked. Dual boot is for sissies who can't get a second machine.
>>
>
> Either you knew everything then or you got incredibly lucky.

If we define "Guru" as one who knows the wisdom of the creator, Art is
no guru.

He's a creator. :)

Nick.

[J.C. Roberts]

On Monday 26 November 2007, Nick Holland wrote:

> V. Karthik Kumar wrote:
> > Artur Grabowski wrote:
> >> frantisek holop <minusf@...> writes:
> >>> but can't call yerself a unix guru if havent fu*ed up
> >>> dual boot at least once :]
> >>
> >> never fucked up a dual boot. Only tried it two times and both
> >> times it worked. Dual boot is for sissies who can't get a second
> >> machine.
> >
> > Either you knew everything then or you got incredibly lucky.
>
> If we define "Guru" as one who knows the wisdom of the creator, Art
> is no guru.
>
> He's a creator. :)
>

Ya but... Art imitates life. ;-)

jcr

[Steve Shockley]

Artur Grabowski wrote:
> Dual boot is for sissies who can't get a second machine.

No, dual boot is for sissies who can't commit to a real OS.

(Now how do I hide those mail headers...)

[Amarendra Godbole]

On 26 Nov 2007 17:14:50 +0100, Artur Grabowski <art@...> wrote:
> frantisek holop <minusf@...> writes:
>
> > but can't call yerself a unix guru if havent fu*ed up
> > dual boot at least once :]
>
> never fucked up a dual boot. Only tried it two times and both times it
> worked. Dual boot is for sissies who can't get a second machine.
[...]

Never knew that "non-dualboot=>non-sissy" folks carry around multiple
machines with them. ;-)

-Amarendra

[Peter N. M. Hansteen-3]

"Amarendra Godbole" <amarendra.godbole@...> writes:

> Never knew that "non-dualboot=>non-sissy" folks carry around multiple
> machines with them. ;-)

One possible theory is you need to be a non-sissy in order to be able
to lug them around

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[Jonathan Thornburg-2]

Artur Grabowski wrote:
> Dual boot is for sissies who can't get a second machine.

Steve Shockley wrote:
| No, dual boot is for sissies who can't commit to a real OS.

Or for people who like dual-booting OpenBSD and OpenBSD, i.e. having
multiple bootable versions of OpenBSD on a machine.

When I install a new machine I always set it up for dual-booting this
way.  Then when the next May/November rolls around and it's time to
upgrade/reinstall, I dump|restore the working install to the other set
of partitions, check that that boots and works ok, and *then* proceed
with the upgrade/reinstall on the original partitions.  This way I still
have a working computer if something goes wrong in the upgrade/reinstall.

This saved my neck a couple of years ago when we went from XFree86
(which was fine on the laptop I had then) to X.org (which turnd out
not to grok the video chipset).  I wound up staying at the last XFree86
-stable relase for another year, until my employer bought a new batch
of laptops...

ciao,

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[Rob-55]

On Nov 26, 2007 4:11 AM, mickey <mickey@...> wrote:

> poor dude pbly cannot do adding proper in his disklabel...
> MATH WORKS BITCHES!

The 'poor dude' is known for posting smart, mathy, and generally
insightful comics. Try browsing through his comics some.

As for me, the comic was perfectly timed. Last weekend I decided that
rather than doing any of the actual work that I was supposed to be
doing, I would set up my home workstation to dual-boot Windows and
OpenBSD. It's got two physical hard drives on it, so piece of cake.
I'd be done in a few minutes...

Except, for some reason, at some point during the install -- almost
certainly my fault, though I retraced my steps and can't figure out
where -- the OpenBSD installer trashed the disklabel on the Windows
drive.

The MBR was still intact, NTLDR would come up, but then it couldn't
find anything to boot. Even better, I didn't have a usable Windows
disk to perform a repair on the file system (it's a second-hand
system).

The workstation was using a WG111 for its network interface, which
OpenBSD doesn't have support for yet because Netgear are punks
sometimes. Wouldn't've been a big deal, except I'd just donated my
last five feet of cat5 to a job last week, and I didn't have the $$
for a network cable that weekend.

It went on like that for a while and I ended up enjoying a very
restful weekend instead of getting any work done.

Monday morning, I was greeted by that XKCD comic.

- R.