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	<updated>2009-11-09T17:37:18Z</updated>
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<entry>
	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26276906</id>
	<title>Re: voice conferences</title>
	<published>2009-11-09T17:37:18Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-09T17:37:18Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>JZA</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 4:48 PM, Bernhard Dippold
&lt;br&gt;&amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=26276906&amp;i=0&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;bernhard@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt; wrote:
&lt;div class='shrinkable-quote'&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Hi Florian, all,
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Florian Effenberger schrieb:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Hi,
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; [...] Basically, we have several options. The easiest and cheapest one is
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; setting up a machine with Asterisk and several SIP connections. We &amp;quot;just&amp;quot;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; need local SIP dialin numbers in various countries. In Germany that's pretty
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; easy, worldwide it might get harder.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; The other one is choosing a service that has local dial-in numbers world
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; wide and use it as a hosted solution. I have no clue about the costs there,
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; though.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; The &amp;quot;luxury&amp;quot; one is having a worldwide toll-free number.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; What;s about the fourth possibility, suggested by one of the Sun employees
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; at Orvieto:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; We could use their existing infrastructure for our calls.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; If this would be possible, we wouldn't need to install our own service -
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; maintaining this might become even more problematic than the costs...
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; I could imagine, that the marketing lead and co-lead would be allowed to get
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; access to the Sun infrastructure and the passwords to install such calls for
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; the marketing project.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; It's just an idea - not discussed with any relevant group.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; But if Sun or any other contributer would offer such a service to the
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; community, I'd think this would be easier than our own service.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Perhaps it might be worthwhile to ask ...
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Best regards
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Bernhard
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; #2 and especially #3 can get quite expensive, so at first, we should check
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; the actual demand. I doubt we are in the need for a worldwide toll-free
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; number. How many people actually do use conference calls or plan to do so?
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; We should be reasonable here...
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; My try would be to first compile a list of conference services available
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; worldwide or locally, their costs and dial-in options, and then see what can
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; be covered with that. The wiki page is a good starter, I guess.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Florian
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&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br&gt;This is very up to Sun, however they seem to be too limited, since
&lt;br&gt;they dont offer SIP connectivity or provide recordings of the call to
&lt;br&gt;everyone email. I have seen that there are some that do provide this
&lt;br&gt;functionality including totally programable IVR. This functionality
&lt;br&gt;will help us on organizign the calls that we need to do.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.tollfreeforwarding.com&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.tollfreeforwarding.com&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This is a vendor I have seen for a while, it does provide toll free,
&lt;br&gt;Skype or SIP connectivity and also recordings along with other
&lt;br&gt;features.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;-- 
&lt;br&gt;Alexandro Colorado
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<entry>
	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26276817</id>
	<title>Re: Calc, delete specified range of rows or columns</title>
	<published>2009-11-09T17:28:20Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-09T17:28:20Z</updated>
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		<name>TomW-3</name>
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	<content type="html">Zhengquan Zhang wrote:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Hello Openoffice community!
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; How could I delete specified range(eg, from row 20 to row 6200) of
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; rows or columns? sometimes my spreadsheet has thousands of rows and
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; select and delete them is a pain.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Thanks!
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; 
&lt;br&gt;Zhengquan:
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Use the 'Name Box' to select the range, rows, or columns you want to delete.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;TomW
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26276341</id>
	<title>Re: Incubator project proposal - OpenOfficeMouse</title>
	<published>2009-11-09T16:37:41Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-09T16:37:41Z</updated>
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		<name>Wunna Ko Ko</name>
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	<content type="html">+1 for incubator project.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Nice to see a hardware with OpenOffice.org labelled on it.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 3:49 PM, Cor Nouws &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=26276341&amp;i=0&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;oolst@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt; wrote:
&lt;div class='shrinkable-quote'&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Unless other information makes me change my mind, I support Juergens point
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; of view,
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Cor
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Juergen Schmidt wrote (9-11-2009 13:29)
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; for new incubator projects the main question for me is, if there is any
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; real relation and benefit for our project. In case of this mouse i am not
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; sure and i don't really see it. It is a piece of hardware with very flexible
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; configuration options. Not more and not less. Ok one of the pre-configured
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; profiles was created based on some OOo user tracking information but that's
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; it. It is not OOo specific and can be used with many other applications.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; For me it is no incubator project. For me it is a clever marketing
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; strategy and nothing more. Probably there are other ways to support such
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; things and it can be evaluated in a different context if necessary and
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; wanted.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; We should simply ask us what we would expect from a new incubator project.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; In which direction would it develop further? I personally don't see there
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; huge opportunities.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; It is more natural that we will support modern and new hardware like the
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; new generation of touch pads which will also allow nice features ...
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Sorry but it doesn't really convince me and from my point of view a no for
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; this new project.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Just my 2 cents
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; --
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Cor Nouws
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;  - nl.OpenOffice.org marketing contact
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;  - Community Contributor Representative in the Community Council
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Gevoel niet vrij te zijn? Zie www.nieuwsteversie.nl
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
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	<title>Re: [Fwd: Odt2DAISY 2.0 Official Release]</title>
	<published>2009-11-09T16:09:55Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-09T16:09:55Z</updated>
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		<name>andre-82</name>
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	<content type="html">COULD YOU DELETE MY E-MAIL
&lt;br&gt;----- Original Message ----- 
&lt;br&gt;From: &amp;quot;Sophie&amp;quot; &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=26276131&amp;i=0&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;sgautier.ooo@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt;
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&lt;br&gt;Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 4:53 AM
&lt;br&gt;Subject: [marketing] [Fwd: Odt2DAISY 2.0 Official Release]
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Hi all,
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Please, support and enjoy :)
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Thanks a lot Vincent for your great work!
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Kind regards
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<entry>
	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26276049</id>
	<title>Re: RE: Problem with ToC formatting in Writer</title>
	<published>2009-11-09T16:01:47Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-09T16:01:47Z</updated>
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		<name>Michele Zarri</name>
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	<content type="html">McLauchlan, Kevin wrote:
&lt;br&gt;[snip]
&lt;div class='shrinkable-quote'&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; INTERESTING
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; For items in the ToC, there's a left-aligned tab-stop over near 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; the right margin, and then the right-aligned stop exactly at that 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; same margin for the page number. 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; If I drag a tab-stop slightly to the left (one character space), 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; the problem goes away FOR THAT ENTRY. &amp;nbsp;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; The page number associated with that entry comes up two lines 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; and lands in its proper spot over near the right margin. 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Obviously I'm not going to do that for the document because:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; a) there are dozens of them
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; b) the problem comes back instantly, next time I generate the ToC
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; c) the stops (both kinds) are in IDENTICAL positions for the NON-PROBLEM entries. 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Yes, this document came from Word, originally.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; 
&lt;/div&gt;I think you found your problem here although I am a bit confused since I 
&lt;br&gt;cannot see where the tabs are in my ToCs unless I deselect the &amp;quot;protect 
&lt;br&gt;from manual changes in the Index/Table page of the Insert Index/Table 
&lt;br&gt;dialog.
&lt;br&gt;It seems clear though that the issue is created by an additional tab 
&lt;br&gt;stop in fact it starts occurring as soon as the page number is on two 
&lt;br&gt;digits. It seems that there is not enough room for the page number to 
&lt;br&gt;honour the tab stop settings and this is why it is all shifted to a new 
&lt;br&gt;line.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I guess you have already tried this, but it is worth trying again...
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;1. right click on the TOC and select edit Index/Table
&lt;br&gt;2. go to the Entries tab and select level 1 on the left menu
&lt;br&gt;3. remove any unwanted &amp;quot;T&amp;quot; from the structure (that is leave only one T 
&lt;br&gt;between the entry (E) and page number (#) right aligned, with filling 
&lt;br&gt;character .
&lt;br&gt;4. repeat for level 2
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Also, just in case, select the para styles Contents 1 and Contents 2 and 
&lt;br&gt;click on the &amp;quot;default&amp;quot; button to reset all the settings.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Hope that helps,
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Cheers,
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Michele
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<entry>
	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26276046</id>
	<title>Frequent Crashes</title>
	<published>2009-11-09T16:01:23Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-09T16:01:23Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Barbara Duprey</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">I've been having frequent stability issues with OOo 3.1.1 Writer on 
&lt;br&gt;Vista Home Premium, and since this is not coming up here it must be 
&lt;br&gt;something about resource availability on my system. There seems to be 
&lt;br&gt;particular sensitivity around the docking of the Navigator and Styles 
&lt;br&gt;toolbars, and toolbars in general seem to relocate from time to time. I 
&lt;br&gt;like to work with the Navigator and Styles toolbars both docked to the 
&lt;br&gt;right edge, but that is very unstable -- trying to dock them often 
&lt;br&gt;causes crashes, and even when they've been placed where I want them they 
&lt;br&gt;often are not there later (after switching to a different document, or 
&lt;br&gt;restarting OOo). Working with frames has also been an issue. In a 
&lt;br&gt;document with multiple frames, each set to have no border and containing 
&lt;br&gt;a picture (wrapped to page) and text, selecting the frame sometimes 
&lt;br&gt;causes a weird display that seems to partially capture the previously 
&lt;br&gt;active frame, has a fine horizontal striping several lines high, and 
&lt;br&gt;often undoes the most recent action. The only way to restore the mangled 
&lt;br&gt;frame is to Undo until it comes back. Can anybody tell me what's likely 
&lt;br&gt;to be happening and how to troubleshoot. the problem? Thanks!
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<entry>
	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26275352</id>
	<title>Re: Ubuntu One Errors</title>
	<published>2009-11-09T15:03:40Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-09T15:03:40Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Web Kracked</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">M Henri Day wrote:
&lt;div class='shrinkable-quote'&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 2009/11/8 Mark C. Miller &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=26275352&amp;i=0&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;mr.mcmiller@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Has anyone besides me been having problems with Ubuntu One since they
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; installed 9.10?
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; On two machines, when I try to upload a file, I get the error message:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Internal Server Error Error
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; with the standard boiler plate (&amp;quot;server encountered an internal
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; error ...&amp;quot;.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; On a third machine, I get
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Proxy Error
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; The proxy server received an invalid response from an upstream server.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; The proxy server could not handle the request POST/upload&amp;quot;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; I'm not using a proxy server.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; I haven't seen any other messages about this, and I'm a complete idiot
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; about this stuff.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Suggestions?
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; mcm
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; --
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Mark C. Miller, Indianapolis IN, USA
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Mark, you are certainly not the only user having problems with Ubuntu One,
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; but I suggest that rather than looking for help here, you're more likely to
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; find it on the «Ubuntu One» forum on the English-language Ubuntu fora (
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://preview.tinyurl.com/yfzpeet&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://preview.tinyurl.com/yfzpeet&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;)....
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Henri
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;/div&gt;What is Ubuntu One?
&lt;br&gt;I am running OOo 3.1.1 on Ubuntu 9.10 and I never heard of
&lt;br&gt;Ubuntu One.
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<entry>
	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26275291</id>
	<title>Selection bug / possible KDE integration bug due to linking pictures</title>
	<published>2009-11-09T14:58:21Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-09T14:58:21Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>imaginee</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">Hi everybody
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I'm experiencing very strange behaviour with Kubuntu 9.04 / 9.10 and 
&lt;br&gt;OO 3.x both distributed versions and manually installed ones, which makes 
&lt;br&gt;Open Office practically unusable. 
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Scrolling in the slide selector on the left in the default view makes it 
&lt;br&gt;always jump back to the selected slide. 
&lt;br&gt;Selecting slides in slide sorter immediately unselects everything. 
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The selected slides flash which seem to indicate its some sort of focus bug.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;More testing revealed that this is related to linking pictures.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I can generate the bug with the following:
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;- Create presentation
&lt;br&gt;- Add linked picture 
&lt;br&gt;- Copy the page several times lets say 30 times
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Can anybody reproduce this? 
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Under windows and Ubuntu from a stick this is no issue only under 
&lt;br&gt;KDE I get this problem. 
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Best, 
&lt;br&gt;Nikolai
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<entry>
	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26275186</id>
	<title>Re: voice conferences</title>
	<published>2009-11-09T14:48:44Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-09T14:48:44Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Dr. Bernhard Dippold</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">Hi Florian, all,
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Florian Effenberger schrieb:
&lt;div class='shrinkable-quote'&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Hi,
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; [...] Basically, we have several options. The easiest and cheapest one 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; is setting up a machine with Asterisk and several SIP connections. We 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;quot;just&amp;quot; need local SIP dialin numbers in various countries. In Germany 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; that's pretty easy, worldwide it might get harder.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; The other one is choosing a service that has local dial-in numbers 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; world wide and use it as a hosted solution. I have no clue about the 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; costs there, though.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; The &amp;quot;luxury&amp;quot; one is having a worldwide toll-free number.
&lt;/div&gt;What;s about the fourth possibility, suggested by one of the Sun 
&lt;br&gt;employees at Orvieto:
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;We could use their existing infrastructure for our calls.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If this would be possible, we wouldn't need to install our own service - 
&lt;br&gt;maintaining this might become even more problematic than the costs...
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I could imagine, that the marketing lead and co-lead would be allowed to 
&lt;br&gt;get access to the Sun infrastructure and the passwords to install such 
&lt;br&gt;calls for the marketing project.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It's just an idea - not discussed with any relevant group.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But if Sun or any other contributer would offer such a service to the 
&lt;br&gt;community, I'd think this would be easier than our own service.
&lt;br&gt;Perhaps it might be worthwhile to ask ...
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Best regards
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Bernhard
&lt;div class='shrinkable-quote'&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; #2 and especially #3 can get quite expensive, so at first, we should 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; check the actual demand. I doubt we are in the need for a worldwide 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; toll-free number. How many people actually do use conference calls or 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; plan to do so? We should be reasonable here...
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; My try would be to first compile a list of conference services 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; available worldwide or locally, their costs and dial-in options, and 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; then see what can be covered with that. The wiki page is a good 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; starter, I guess.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Florian
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26274815</id>
	<title>Re: Re: videos of OOoCon</title>
	<published>2009-11-09T14:25:16Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-09T14:25:16Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>sophie-21</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">Hi Mechtilde,
&lt;br&gt;Mechtilde wrote:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Hello
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Is there a new location for the streams of the OOoCon?
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; the Link to &lt;a href=&quot;http://media.lscube.org/oooconf&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://media.lscube.org/oooconf&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;failed
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I think a lot of people are trying to download the files that are quiet 
&lt;br&gt;large and may be the team didn't expect a so great enthusiasm, just like 
&lt;br&gt;us when our site fails in front of a load of requests.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;May be next time, we should envisage to use our own mirror network to 
&lt;br&gt;balance the requests.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Kind regards
&lt;br&gt;Sophie
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	<title>Re: Re: videos of OOoCon</title>
	<published>2009-11-09T14:10:12Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-09T14:10:12Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Florian Effenberger-2</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">Hi,
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Is there a new location for the streams of the OOoCon?
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; the Link to &lt;a href=&quot;http://media.lscube.org/oooconf&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://media.lscube.org/oooconf&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;failed
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;not that I'm aware of. Maybe it's just a temporary error?
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Florian
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26274319</id>
	<title>Re: Incubator project proposal - OpenOfficeMouse</title>
	<published>2009-11-09T13:49:58Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-09T13:49:58Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Cor Nouws</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">&lt;br&gt;Unless other information makes me change my mind, I support Juergens 
&lt;br&gt;point of view,
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Cor
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Juergen Schmidt wrote (9-11-2009 13:29)
&lt;div class='shrinkable-quote'&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; for new incubator projects the main question for me is, if there is any 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; real relation and benefit for our project. In case of this mouse i am 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; not sure and i don't really see it. It is a piece of hardware with very 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; flexible configuration options. Not more and not less. Ok one of the 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; pre-configured profiles was created based on some OOo user tracking 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; information but that's it. It is not OOo specific and can be used with 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; many other applications.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; For me it is no incubator project. For me it is a clever marketing 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; strategy and nothing more. Probably there are other ways to support such 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; things and it can be evaluated in a different context if necessary and 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; wanted.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; We should simply ask us what we would expect from a new incubator 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; project. In which direction would it develop further? I personally don't 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; see there huge opportunities.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; It is more natural that we will support modern and new hardware like the 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; new generation of touch pads which will also allow nice features ...
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Sorry but it doesn't really convince me and from my point of view a no 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; for this new project.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Just my 2 cents
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;-- 
&lt;br&gt;Cor Nouws
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;- nl.OpenOffice.org marketing contact
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;- Community Contributor Representative in the Community Council
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26274167</id>
	<title>Re: Incubator project proposal - OpenOfficeMouse</title>
	<published>2009-11-09T13:39:16Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-09T13:39:16Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Robert Derman-2</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">Bruce Martin wrote:
&lt;div class='shrinkable-quote'&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; ReHi Juergen:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; It is possible that I mistook somebody's identity. I see that [discuss] had
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; a lot of participants and it is a very plausible mistake.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Also, my idea was not intended to be directly related to open office or any
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; particular operating system. It is intended as a generic hardware accessory
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; that would be nice to see, but I do not have the capital to even start to
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; develop it.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; At most, I might make eventually myself a prototype for my own use, unless
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; somebody uses my idea and commercialises it at an acceptable price and with
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; adequate support.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; The mouse speed can be a nuisance in Windows, prior to XP, in Linux (several
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; distributions) and also in op sys installations.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; As I said, this is not something that needs to be a physical part of a mouse
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; or trackball, but in a separate box, as a separate product. Mice and
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; trackballs are too small by nature to suit this degree of versatility.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; A basic electronic project box, such as made by Hammond or Bud Radio would
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; be more suitable and a far simpler manufacturing approach.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; And now I am off to chase more nuisance parts from the local parts store.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; BTW Where is Sun located? (I suppose somewhere in the U.S.?)
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Best Regards,
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Bruce M.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; 
&lt;/div&gt;Sun is SI Val, but the part that does OOo is in Germany.
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26273483</id>
	<title>[Fwd: Odt2DAISY 2.0 Official Release]</title>
	<published>2009-11-09T12:53:06Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-09T12:53:06Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>sophie-21</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">Hi all,
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Please, support and enjoy :)
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thanks a lot Vincent for your great work!
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Kind regards
&lt;br&gt;Sophie
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Odt2DAISY is now officially launched.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Please read the press release available here:
&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://odt2daisy.sourceforge.net/PR/odt2daisy_2.0_pressrelease.pdf&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://odt2daisy.sourceforge.net/PR/odt2daisy_2.0_pressrelease.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;A screencast is available here:
&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://odt2daisy.sourceforge.net/videos/101_odt2daisy_full_daisy.960x540.avi&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://odt2daisy.sourceforge.net/videos/101_odt2daisy_full_daisy.960x540.avi&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://odt2daisy.sourceforge.net/videos/101_odt2daisy_full_daisy.960x540.m4v&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://odt2daisy.sourceforge.net/videos/101_odt2daisy_full_daisy.960x540.m4v&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://odt2daisy.sourceforge.net/videos/101_odt2daisy_full_daisy.960x540.ogm&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://odt2daisy.sourceforge.net/videos/101_odt2daisy_full_daisy.960x540.ogm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;A sample is available here:
&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://odt2daisy.sourceforge.net/PR/odt2daisy_2.0_sample.zip&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://odt2daisy.sourceforge.net/PR/odt2daisy_2.0_sample.zip&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If you like this software, please blog on it !
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Best Regards
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;---------------------------------------------------------
&lt;br&gt;- Vincent Spiewak - odt2daisy.sf.net -
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26273403</id>
	<title>Re: videos of OOoCon</title>
	<published>2009-11-09T12:47:36Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-09T12:47:36Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Mechtilde Stehmann-2</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">Hello
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Is there a new location for the streams of the OOoCon?
&lt;br&gt;the Link to &lt;a href=&quot;http://media.lscube.org/oooconf&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://media.lscube.org/oooconf&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;failed
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Kind regards
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Mechtilde
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Florian Effenberger schrieb:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Hello,
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; sadly, I had to leave right after the marketing meeting, but did someone
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; record some videos for the Facebook page? I hope I did enough
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; advertising ;-)
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Florian
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;-- 
&lt;br&gt;Dipl. Ing. Mechtilde Stehmann
&lt;br&gt;## &lt;a href=&quot;http://de.openoffice.org&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://de.openoffice.org&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;## Ansprechpartnerin für die deutschsprachige QA
&lt;br&gt;## Freie Office-Suite für Linux, Mac, Windows, Solaris
&lt;br&gt;## Meine Seite &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mechtilde.de&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.mechtilde.de&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;## PGP encryption welcome! Key-ID: 0x53B3892B
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26273191</id>
	<title>[Resolved] Re: Openoffice does not work at all, it shows the splash and nothing further</title>
	<published>2009-11-09T12:32:43Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-09T12:32:43Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>NoOp-4</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">On 11/09/2009 03:00 AM, legolas wrote:
&lt;div class='shrinkable-quote'&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Hi
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; I found the problem by running 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; strace /usr/lib/openoffice/program/soffice.bin
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; There was a culprit font in /home/legolas/.fonts which was causing a
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; segmentation fault in the system.the font name was aquabase_spanish
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Thanks everyone who looked into my problem.
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br&gt;And thank you for following up with the resolution :-)
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26273073</id>
	<title>Re: List Filtering - NNTP</title>
	<published>2009-11-09T12:23:07Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-09T12:23:07Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>NoOp-4</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">Sigh... I rest my case.
&lt;br&gt;Delivered-To: mailing list &lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=26273073&amp;i=0&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;users@...&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;br&gt;Delivered-To: moderator for &lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=26273073&amp;i=1&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;users@...&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;On 11/07/2009 09:22 PM, Hall, Ray wrote:
&lt;div class='shrinkable-quote'&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; I don't know how I got on this mailing list? &amp;nbsp;I'm not a programmer, I
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; just wanted to find out why when I created a document I could not
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; read it with Microsoft Word. &amp;nbsp;I was told that OpenWord might solve
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; some of the problems I'm having with Office Pro. (inconsistency with
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; formatting commands).
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; I sent a message back to the computer to take me off the mailing
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; list, but obviously I don't understand how to accomplish that. &amp;nbsp;If
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; you can help please do so.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Ray Hall
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=26273073&amp;i=2&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;chiefhawk@...&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; -----Original Message----- From: news [mailto:&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=26273073&amp;i=3&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;news@...&lt;/a&gt;] On
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Behalf Of NoOp Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 10:31 PM To:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=26273073&amp;i=4&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;users@...&lt;/a&gt; Subject: [users] List Filtering - NNTP
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Posted a followup in &amp;quot;List moderators&amp;quot; thread, but figure that this
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; deserves it's own subject/thread as the findings will affect list
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; users
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; that use nntp servers to read/respond to the list (gmane.org,
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; nabble,
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; etc) and attempt to filter unsubscribed users via the 'Delivered-To'
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; headers - particularly those that will be using mozilla (haven't
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; tested
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; on others) nntp Thunderbird 3.0 and SeaMonkey 2.0 clients.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; (Paul &amp; hope that you and other moderators can carry this msg to the
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Collabnet folks).
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; As I understand the situation:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 1. Currently when an unsubscribed user posts to the list a duplicate
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 'Delivered-To' header is created containing: Delivered-To: moderator
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; for
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=26273073&amp;i=5&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;users@...&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; So the msg contains two headers:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Delivered-To: mailing list &lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=26273073&amp;i=6&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;users@...&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Delivered-To: moderator for &lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=26273073&amp;i=7&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;users@...&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Filtering on these duplicates may work in an email client, but when
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; filtering on nntp, the client only filters on what is returned from
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; the
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; nntp server. Mozilla get the following from the nntp gmane.org server
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; on
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; a 'moderator' msg:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; This is what the news server tells us:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; XHDR Delivered-To 201827
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; 221 Delivered-To matches follow (art)
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; 201827 mailing list &lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=26273073&amp;i=8&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;users@...&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; .
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; We only see that one, sole, single header. Indeed, the spec
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; requires the news
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; server to only show us that one header.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; See:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &lt;a href=&quot;https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16913#c101&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16913#c101&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; [ Filter news based on any headers ]
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; for details.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 2. Perhaps if openoffice.org/collabnet didn't use a duplicate
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 'Delivered-To' header, and instead changed the second header to
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 'Delivered-To-Moderator' the issue might be resolved.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26272982</id>
	<title>Odt2DAISY 2.0 Official Release</title>
	<published>2009-11-09T12:17:21Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-09T12:17:21Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Vincent Spiewak</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">Odt2DAISY is now officially launched.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Please read the press release available here:
&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://odt2daisy.sourceforge.net/PR/odt2daisy_2.0_pressrelease.pdf&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://odt2daisy.sourceforge.net/PR/odt2daisy_2.0_pressrelease.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;A screencast is available here:
&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://odt2daisy.sourceforge.net/videos/101_odt2daisy_full_daisy.960x540.avi&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://odt2daisy.sourceforge.net/videos/101_odt2daisy_full_daisy.960x540.avi&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://odt2daisy.sourceforge.net/videos/101_odt2daisy_full_daisy.960x540.m4v&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://odt2daisy.sourceforge.net/videos/101_odt2daisy_full_daisy.960x540.m4v&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://odt2daisy.sourceforge.net/videos/101_odt2daisy_full_daisy.960x540.ogm&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://odt2daisy.sourceforge.net/videos/101_odt2daisy_full_daisy.960x540.ogm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;A sample is available here:
&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://odt2daisy.sourceforge.net/PR/odt2daisy_2.0_sample.zip&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://odt2daisy.sourceforge.net/PR/odt2daisy_2.0_sample.zip&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If you like this software, please blog on it !
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Best Regards
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;---------------------------------------------------------
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<entry>
	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26272885</id>
	<title>RE: Incubator project proposal - OpenOfficeMouse</title>
	<published>2009-11-09T12:10:07Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-09T12:10:07Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Bruce Martin-4</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">ReHi Juergen:
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It is possible that I mistook somebody's identity. I see that [discuss] had
&lt;br&gt;a lot of participants and it is a very plausible mistake.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Also, my idea was not intended to be directly related to open office or any
&lt;br&gt;particular operating system. It is intended as a generic hardware accessory
&lt;br&gt;that would be nice to see, but I do not have the capital to even start to
&lt;br&gt;develop it.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;At most, I might make eventually myself a prototype for my own use, unless
&lt;br&gt;somebody uses my idea and commercialises it at an acceptable price and with
&lt;br&gt;adequate support.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The mouse speed can be a nuisance in Windows, prior to XP, in Linux (several
&lt;br&gt;distributions) and also in op sys installations.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As I said, this is not something that needs to be a physical part of a mouse
&lt;br&gt;or trackball, but in a separate box, as a separate product. Mice and
&lt;br&gt;trackballs are too small by nature to suit this degree of versatility.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;A basic electronic project box, such as made by Hammond or Bud Radio would
&lt;br&gt;be more suitable and a far simpler manufacturing approach.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And now I am off to chase more nuisance parts from the local parts store.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;BTW Where is Sun located? (I suppose somewhere in the U.S.?)
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Best Regards,
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Bruce M.
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26272727</id>
	<title>Re: [project leads] Re: [marketing] Re: [project leads] updates on OOMouse</title>
	<published>2009-11-09T12:00:38Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-09T12:00:38Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>luispo</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">Ciao, Italo,
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;On 2009-11-09, at 14:22 , Italo Vignoli wrote:
&lt;br&gt;&lt;div class='shrinkable-quote'&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Louis Suarez-Potts ha scritto:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; I have asked the members of the CC to clarify our--OOo's-- relation &amp;nbsp;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; to oomouse. Theo is free to include OpenOffice.org in the product &amp;nbsp;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; and free to ask for supportive quotes and free to use both (after, &amp;nbsp;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; I hope, submission for review), but not free to make claims that &amp;nbsp;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; mislead. Nor is he free to manipulate our logo and marks as he sees &amp;nbsp;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; fit.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; I have received a number of enquiries from the Italian press, mostly &amp;nbsp;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; because they have seen the article on Slashdot. To clarify the &amp;nbsp;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; issue, I have prepared a statement that says that the author was &amp;nbsp;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; allowed to present at the OOo Conference and prepare a prototype for &amp;nbsp;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; this purpose, but then has gone beyond this issuing a press release &amp;nbsp;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; with statements that do not reflect the real situation.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; By the way, I have had the mouse in my hand for a few seconds, and I &amp;nbsp;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; don't think that a &amp;quot;normal&amp;quot; appendix (i.e., the usual five fingers) &amp;nbsp;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; can handle the rodent efficiently. Also, in order to remember the &amp;nbsp;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; zillions of theoretical combinations you would need a RAM upgrade, &amp;nbsp;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; in order to avoid a buffer overflow ;-)
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thanks. I would like for us, first, to be in agreement, and have sent &amp;nbsp;
&lt;br&gt;the copy to the CC members offlist, for their input, prior to making &amp;nbsp;
&lt;br&gt;it public. I expect some changes. &amp;nbsp;Theo of OOMouse (which has to &amp;nbsp;
&lt;br&gt;change its name) has agree, too, to help out with the statement to the &amp;nbsp;
&lt;br&gt;press.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The press must be notified and I hope to do that in full agreement &amp;nbsp;
&lt;br&gt;from the project today. (El Reg got it... sigh). John has stepped out &amp;nbsp;
&lt;br&gt;but when he returns, shortly, we can talk and I hope come to a swift &amp;nbsp;
&lt;br&gt;agreement. Again, no one is being blamed for this series of mistakes, &amp;nbsp;
&lt;br&gt;but for that very reason, I would expect immediate action on the part &amp;nbsp;
&lt;br&gt;of War Mouse to rectify what I persist in believing are honest mistakes.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Ciao, Italo
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; -- 
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<entry>
	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26271766</id>
	<title>Re: Re: List moderator(s)</title>
	<published>2009-11-09T10:57:02Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-09T10:57:02Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Paul-16</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">&amp;gt; management than anyone else. ...
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; But don't you, as a moderator, know the list owner and support people?
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; That's already more than the users know.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; I haven't heard from the person that 'enrolled' me as a moderator in years.
&lt;br&gt;Ditto in regards to anything close to list management.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;[snip] ...
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;. That doesn't mean however I can find example any easier than
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; yourself. However I did do a search ...
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; May I ask what you searched on? &amp;nbsp;Because you said &amp;quot;Search the archives for
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; what moderators can and can't do&amp;quot;, I used &amp;quot;moderator&amp;quot; - but then the
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; results, as I reported were polluted by the many hits that landed on
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;quot;moderated&amp;quot;. &amp;nbsp;What search string did you use?
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Can't remember but it was along the lines of 'moderator' 'spam' and my name
&lt;br&gt;I think.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;[snip]
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; I haven't received a response from those I've raised it to but will
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; advise when/if I do.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Thank you! &amp;nbsp;Are you at liberty to post names and addresses, or to prompt
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; them to move this correspondence to the 'discuss' list?
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; I purposely haven't since I don't feel it is my place to post to a public
&lt;br&gt;forum these details.
&lt;br&gt;I can only suggest this is moved to 'discuss' it is the community that has
&lt;br&gt;to do it (ie, stop sending to 'users' and start a thread on 'discuss').
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Thanks. &amp;nbsp;I followed that link to take your advice, but was stopped by the
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; advice on filing: to avoid duplication. &amp;nbsp;Since these matters have already
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; been filed as issues (years ago), anything newly filed would seem to be
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; duplication. &amp;nbsp;At this point, the most hopeful thing seems to be your
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; off-list correspondence - which would be nice to see on-list (as 'discuss')
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; if possible.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Good point. Discussion will be online when necessary and discussion
&lt;br&gt;required.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;/paul
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;-- 
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<entry>
	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26271707</id>
	<title>Calc, delete specified range of rows or columns</title>
	<published>2009-11-09T10:53:22Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-09T10:53:22Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Zhengquan Zhang-2</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">Hello Openoffice community!
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;How could I delete specified range(eg, from row 20 to row 6200) of
&lt;br&gt;rows or columns? sometimes my spreadsheet has thousands of rows and
&lt;br&gt;select and delete them is a pain.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thanks!
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&lt;br&gt;Zhengquan
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26271672</id>
	<title>Re: Re: [project leads] updates on OOMouse</title>
	<published>2009-11-09T10:51:05Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-09T10:51:05Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>luispo</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">&lt;br&gt;On 2009-11-09, at 12:46 , Frank Loehmann wrote:
&lt;br&gt;&lt;div class='shrinkable-quote'&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Hi Louis,
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Thank you for clarifying this.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Louis Suarez-Potts wrote:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; The latest from Theo of OOMouse is that he is making the changes in &amp;nbsp;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; his PR copy and site that more accurately reflect the relationship &amp;nbsp;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; between OpenOffice.org and his work.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; I hope this change also includes the removal of the &amp;quot;[...] The Mouse &amp;nbsp;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; team have worked closely with experts from the OpenOffice.org User &amp;nbsp;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Experience project to deliver the full benefits of the world's &amp;nbsp;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; leading open-source office software to the fingertips of users. &amp;nbsp;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; [...]&amp;quot; [1]
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br&gt;It should certainly.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Liz only had mail contact to Theo and provided him public available &amp;nbsp;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; usage data from the User Feedback Program [2], so that he could &amp;nbsp;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; configure his mouse on real usage data. So talking about &amp;quot;worked &amp;nbsp;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; closely with experts from the OpenOffice.org User Experience &amp;nbsp;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; project&amp;quot; is misleading and he never asked for a permission for this &amp;nbsp;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; quote.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I have asked the members of the CC to clarify our--OOo's-- relation to &amp;nbsp;
&lt;br&gt;oomouse. Theo is free to include OpenOffice.org in the product and &amp;nbsp;
&lt;br&gt;free to ask for supportive quotes and free to use both (after, I hope, &amp;nbsp;
&lt;br&gt;submission for review), but not free to make claims that mislead. Nor &amp;nbsp;
&lt;br&gt;is he free to manipulate our logo and marks as he sees fit.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Best regards,
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Frank
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
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<entry>
	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26271612</id>
	<title>Re: [project leads] updates on OOMouse</title>
	<published>2009-11-09T10:47:35Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-09T10:47:35Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>John McCreesh</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">On Mon, November 9, 2009 5:46 pm, Frank Loehmann wrote:
&lt;div class='shrinkable-quote'&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Hi Louis,
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Thank you for clarifying this.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Louis Suarez-Potts wrote:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; The latest from Theo of OOMouse is that he is making the changes in
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; his PR copy and site that more accurately reflect the relationship
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; between OpenOffice.org and his work.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; I hope this change also includes the removal of the &amp;quot;[...] The Mouse
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; team have worked closely with experts from the OpenOffice.org User
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Experience project to deliver the full benefits of the world's leading
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; open-source office software to the fingertips of users. [...]&amp;quot; [1]
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Liz only had mail contact to Theo and provided him public available
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; usage data from the User Feedback Program [2], so that he could
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; configure his mouse on real usage data. So talking about &amp;quot;worked closely
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; with experts from the OpenOffice.org User Experience project&amp;quot; is
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; misleading and he never asked for a permission for this quote.
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br&gt;I hold my hand up for this quote. With hindsight I should have cleared it
&lt;br&gt;with a UX project lead, so my apologies, but from the emails I was cc'd on
&lt;br&gt;I would say it is fair comment.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;John
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26271505</id>
	<title>Re: meaning and the effect of 0</title>
	<published>2009-11-09T10:40:53Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-09T10:40:53Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Walter Hildebrandt-6</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">Harold, you wrote the following: &amp;nbsp;&amp;quot;Now that you have the correct syntax,
&lt;br&gt;using styles is the way to go as they are more generally useful throughout
&lt;br&gt;OOo, not just in Calc.&amp;quot;
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;My first decision was to use Styles instead of Conditional Formatting
&lt;br&gt;because Styles seem easier for me to use than Conditional Formatting. After
&lt;br&gt;using Styles for a period of time I made the decision to learn and use
&lt;br&gt;Conditional Formatting. &amp;nbsp;I am now reconsidering using Styles. &amp;nbsp;Ignoring the
&lt;br&gt;fact that I now have the correct syntax, what do you suggest I learn and use
&lt;br&gt;(Styles or Condition Formatting)? &amp;nbsp;My biggest concern is using a very large
&lt;br&gt;spreadsheet. &amp;nbsp; I use Writer and have more or less figured out how to use
&lt;br&gt;Writer to my satisfaction.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Walter
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Harold Fuchs &amp;lt;
&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=26271505&amp;i=0&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;hwfa.openoffice@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt; wrote:
&lt;br&gt;&lt;div class='shrinkable-quote'&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Walter Hildebrandt wrote:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; You ask &amp;quot;Why don't you use the Conditional Formatting menu to do what you
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; want?&amp;quot; &amp;nbsp;I was told that Styles was a good way to do what I wanted to do so
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; I
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; decided to use Styles
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; I had no experience and very little understanding of either Styles or
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Conditional Formatting. &amp;nbsp;I assumed Styles was easier to learn and use. &amp;nbsp;I
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; now have decided to learn and use Conditional Formatting instead of
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Styles.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; I am starting by checking the OOo website to see what information is
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; available.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Walter
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 2:49 AM, Harold Fuchs &amp;lt;
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&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; wrote:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; 2009/11/9 Harold Fuchs &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=26271505&amp;i=2&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;hwfa.openoffice@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; 2009/11/9 Walter Hildebrandt &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=26271505&amp;i=3&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;wh2468@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; What does 0 mean and what is its effect in various condition?
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;In a numeric context, 0 means zero.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; If you try to treat *text* in a numeric context then the text will
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; usually
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; be treated as zero.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp;For example : When I got the formula
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; =A1-40+IF(A1&amp;gt;40;STYLE(&amp;quot;RedText&amp;quot;);0),
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; I
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; was told “The STYLE function always returns 0, so the formula is
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; mathematically
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; equal to A1-40+0”
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Correct. I don't know where you got that formula but it doesn't do
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; anything
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; useful. See below.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; What is effect of the 0 at the end of the formula?
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; The syntax of an IF consists of three components:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; 1. the condition
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; 2. what to do if the condition is true
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; 3. what to do if the condition is false
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; These are separated by semicolons. Thus your IF, which is
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;IF(A1&amp;gt;40;STYLE(&amp;quot;RedText&amp;quot;);0)
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; says
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; if the contents of cell A1 is greater than 40 &amp;nbsp;[#1, the condition]
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;set the current cell's value to STYLE(&amp;quot;RedText&amp;quot;) &amp;nbsp; [#2, what to do
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; if
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; the condition is true]
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; otherwise set the current cell's value to zero &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;[#3, what to do if
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; the
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; condition is false]
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; However, all this is nonsense. Calc's Help on the Style function tells
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; us
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; that its syntax is nothing like the one you cited and that it doesn't do
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; anything like what you've been told. I quote:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; ======== begin quote ====
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Syntax
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; STYLE(style;time;style2)
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Style is the name of a cell style assigned to the cell. Style names must
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; be
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; entered in quotation marks.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Time is an optional time range in seconds. If this parameter is missing
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; the
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; style will not be changed after a certain amount of time has passed.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Style2 is the optional name of a cell style assigned to the cell after a
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; certain amount of time has passed. If this parameter is missing
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;quot;Standard&amp;quot;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; is assumed.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; ===end quote ===
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp;For example if “Negative numbers red” is selected (is checked) when
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; formatting cells, 0:[RED]-0 appears in the Format code box.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp;For example I was told “Enter something like this in the format code
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; field:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; 0&amp;quot;%&amp;quot; This will just add the % character right after the number, but the
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; number will still act as an ordinary number.”
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;quot;Something like&amp;quot; is probably true depending on your definition of the
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; phrase. A dog is something like a horse, perhaps: 4 legs, tail, hair,
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; friend
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; of mankind. But ...
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp;Also when entering the O, under different conditions, Is the 0 a zero
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; or
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; a
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; capital letter?
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; usually zero. A bare (unquoted) letter O would normally only be
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; meaningful
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; if you had *named* something (like a print-range) &amp;quot;O&amp;quot;.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Why don't you use the Conditional Formatting menu to do what you want?
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Sorry to reply to my own post but I've done some more research.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; If you have your values in column A, then you can set column B to your
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; desired colours (and values) by putting in B1 the formula
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp;=A1+STYLE(IF(CURRENT()&amp;gt;40; &amp;quot;Red&amp;quot;; IF(CURRENT()&amp;lt;40;&amp;quot;Green&amp;quot;;&amp;quot;Default&amp;quot;)))
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; and dragging it down the column.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; This will set column B to have the same *values* as column A but with the
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; appropriate colours.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; You are *adding* (&amp;quot;+&amp;quot;) the value of the Style function, which is always
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; zero. But the function has the *side effect* of setting the style. Note
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; that
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; the If is &amp;quot;inside&amp;quot; the Style, not vice versa as you had it.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; The If looks complicated but isn't. It's just the normal 3 parts
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; separated
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; by semicolons. The interesting bit is that the third part of the first If
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; is
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; another If, which has the usual 3 parts. Just read it carefully.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; --
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Harold Fuchs
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; London, England
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Please reply *only* to &lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=26271505&amp;i=4&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;users@...&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; See my second post (above). Brian Barker told you, in a different thread of
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; yours on this same subject &amp;quot;But using STYLE(IF()) instead of IF(STYLE())
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; appears to solve the problem&amp;quot;. This is the same as my comment above: &amp;quot;Note
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; that the If is &amp;quot;inside&amp;quot; the Style, not vice versa as you had it.&amp;quot;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Now that you have the correct syntax, using styles is the way to go as they
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; are more generally useful throughout OOo, not just in Calc.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26271375</id>
	<title>Re: doc &amp; OOoCon</title>
	<published>2009-11-09T10:32:24Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-09T10:32:24Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Nino Novak-2</name>
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	<content type="html">On Sunday 08 November 2009 13:40, Clayton wrote:
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; The doc team session is at the beginning of the 6 Nov morning session.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; ^^^^^
&lt;br&gt;Ok, after your successful deception attempt I finally found the session 
&lt;br&gt;on Nov 5th morning, in the Sala Etrusca folder ;-)
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;BUT ...
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;the stream does not seem to work for me and the (huge) .ogg file does 
&lt;br&gt;not download completely on my slow internet (3 attempts, each about 2 
&lt;br&gt;1/2 hours, truncated after 70-90 MByte)
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Now, my repeated download attempts seem to even have broken their 
&lt;br&gt;server ;-)
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So I'll continue my glorious attempts tomorrow.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If - by chance - somebody knows a better solution, I'm open to any 
&lt;br&gt;advice. 
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Nino
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26270873</id>
	<title>RE: RE: Problem with ToC formatting in Writer</title>
	<published>2009-11-09T09:59:17Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-09T09:59:17Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>McLauchlan, Kevin</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">&amp;nbsp; Michele Zarri [mailto:&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=26270873&amp;i=0&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;m.zarri@...&lt;/a&gt;] suggested:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;div class='shrinkable-quote'&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 2009/11/6 McLauchlan, Kevin &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=26270873&amp;i=1&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Kevin.McLauchlan@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt;:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt; UPDATE:  I just updated the ToC on another document that 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; didn't have the problem, and now it does, for the entire ToC.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt; C--P!
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt; So this means there's some kind of global setting that I 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; don't know about, in OOo 3.1.1?
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt; What might it be? Where to look?
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt; What would be the proper (search) term for &amp;quot;set all ToC 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; entries to overwrap by two lines&amp;quot;?
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Hello Kevin,
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; A simple test you can make is to insert a fresh ToC and see if the
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; problem still occurs.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; It may be that the style for the headings 4-x is not the same as that
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; for chapters 1-3,
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; In this case the issue could be in the structure of the entries.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Cheers,
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Michele
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br&gt;How much is imported from the headings into the ToC? I see that 
&lt;br&gt;the text is imported, but what else... and where does it hide? 
&lt;br&gt;Or where is it specified which aspects of formatting or ?? will 
&lt;br&gt;be part of what is imported? 
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I tried deleting the ToC entirely and inserting a new one (even at a new location). 
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The problem persists. 
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp;Chapter 1 &amp;nbsp;The Intro Stuff .................................... 1
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; Introduction ............................................... 1 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; Something else ............................................. 2
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; Yet more something ......................................... 3
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp;Chapter 2 &amp;nbsp;The Config Stuff ................................... 5
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp;:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp;Chapter 3 &amp;nbsp;The Network Stuff .................................. 9
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp;:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp;Chapter 4 &amp;nbsp;The Meat of the Matter &amp;nbsp;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp;...............................................................
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp;13
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; Overview &amp;nbsp;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp;...............................................................
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp;13
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; Next thing &amp;nbsp;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp;...............................................................
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp;14
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The &amp;quot;Contents2&amp;quot; heading items (for example) that have the problem, 
&lt;br&gt;or &amp;quot;Contents2&amp;quot; heading items that don't have the problem, appear 
&lt;br&gt;to have identical settings in the style editor dialog. 
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In the chapters of my document, if I select a source &amp;quot;Heading 2&amp;quot; 
&lt;br&gt;that corresponds to the ToC &amp;quot;Contents 2&amp;quot; that shows the problem, 
&lt;br&gt;OR if I select a source &amp;quot;Heading 2&amp;quot; for a &amp;quot;Contents2&amp;quot; that 
&lt;br&gt;DOESN'T show the problem in the ToC, they are identical. 
&lt;br&gt;If I change/edit the style for one &amp;quot;Heading 2&amp;quot;, it changes for 
&lt;br&gt;the other. 
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Where ELSE could a magical override of SOME &amp;quot;Contents2&amp;quot; items 
&lt;br&gt;in my ToC be coming from? 
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;My imagination fails me as to how you could _deliberately_ make 
&lt;br&gt;this happen, so I don't know where to look for how it is 
&lt;br&gt;unintentionally (on my part) occurring. 
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The .ODT file is a little over 1MB in size. 
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;At this point, various departments are screaming for the docs and 
&lt;br&gt;I am holding up the release of the product - always a good move 
&lt;br&gt;for one's career prospects ... or even prospects of continuing 
&lt;br&gt;employment (not). &amp;nbsp;So I'll have to release with the ugly problem not 
&lt;br&gt;solved, and apologize for it in the Release Notes. 
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;INTERESTING
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;For items in the ToC, there's a left-aligned tab-stop over near 
&lt;br&gt;the right margin, and then the right-aligned stop exactly at that 
&lt;br&gt;same margin for the page number. 
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If I drag a tab-stop slightly to the left (one character space), 
&lt;br&gt;the problem goes away FOR THAT ENTRY. &amp;nbsp;
&lt;br&gt;The page number associated with that entry comes up two lines 
&lt;br&gt;and lands in its proper spot over near the right margin. 
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Obviously I'm not going to do that for the document because:
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;a) there are dozens of them
&lt;br&gt;b) the problem comes back instantly, next time I generate the ToC
&lt;br&gt;c) the stops (both kinds) are in IDENTICAL positions for the NON-PROBLEM entries. 
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Yes, this document came from Word, originally.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;ALSO INTERESTING
&lt;br&gt;The problem does not affect Contents 3 items. Only Contents 2 and Contents 1.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If I simply CLICK in the top ruler, which adds a left-aligned tab stop 
&lt;br&gt;at the place I click, then the page number jumps up to its correct 
&lt;br&gt;position at the end of the line following the heading text (though 
&lt;br&gt;without the &amp;quot;.....&amp;quot; leader dots. &amp;nbsp;This is WITHOUT disturbing the left &amp;nbsp;
&lt;br&gt;and right tab stops that already existed over by the right margin.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;DID I MENTION...
&lt;br&gt;That the Paragraph Style dialog for the broken ToC entries has a 
&lt;br&gt;right-aligned tab-stop defined (for the page number) but DOES NOT 
&lt;br&gt;have an explicit left-aligned tab-stop defined, yet there's a 
&lt;br&gt;left-aligned tab marker visible in every ToC entry. 
&lt;br&gt;Before discovering that, I thought I was going to outfox this 
&lt;br&gt;problem by simply deleting/removing the entry that specified the 
&lt;br&gt;problematic tab-stop, but apparently that one is specified somewhere 
&lt;br&gt;in an alternate universe and then channeled to my ToC by invisible 
&lt;br&gt;means. &amp;nbsp;Cool, I suppose, but not useful. 
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp;- Kevin
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	<title>Re: nominating issue 106732 as blocker for 3.2</title>
	<published>2009-11-09T09:56:15Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-09T09:56:15Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Uwe Luebbers</name>
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	<content type="html">Hi all,
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Accepted and attached to meta issue.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Regards, Uwe
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Kai Sommerfeld wrote:
&lt;br&gt;&lt;div class='shrinkable-quote'&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Hi,
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp;I think we should fix #106732# &amp;quot;Security: Passwordcontainer URL 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; matching broken&amp;quot; for 3.2. It's a regression. Fix is available and has 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; very low regression potential.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=106732&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=106732&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; - Kai.
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26270647</id>
	<title>Re: [project leads] updates on OOMouse</title>
	<published>2009-11-09T09:46:04Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-09T09:46:04Z</updated>
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		<name>frank.loehmann</name>
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	<content type="html">Hi Louis,
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thank you for clarifying this.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Louis Suarez-Potts wrote:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; The latest from Theo of OOMouse is that he is making the changes in 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; his PR copy and site that more accurately reflect the relationship 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; between OpenOffice.org and his work.
&lt;br&gt;I hope this change also includes the removal of the &amp;quot;[...] The Mouse 
&lt;br&gt;team have worked closely with experts from the OpenOffice.org User 
&lt;br&gt;Experience project to deliver the full benefits of the world's leading 
&lt;br&gt;open-source office software to the fingertips of users. [...]&amp;quot; [1]
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Liz only had mail contact to Theo and provided him public available 
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&lt;br&gt;misleading and he never asked for a permission for this quote.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Best regards,
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Frank
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<entry>
	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26270398</id>
	<title>Re: (tid=3) Unexpected connection closure</title>
	<published>2009-11-09T09:34:06Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-09T09:34:06Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Lukasz Szybalski</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 9:01 AM, Etienne Gaudrain &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=26270398&amp;i=0&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;et.gaudrain@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt; wrote:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Hi Lucas,
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Here are two things you may try :
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; - use a pipe connection instead of a socket connection, and see if you still
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; lost connection
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;ok. lets try the pipe..
&lt;br&gt;What is the difference between socket and a pipe as far as oo? &amp;nbsp;Can I
&lt;br&gt;start multiple instances of oo with different pipe names and then use
&lt;br&gt;these pipe names for multiple programs that start around the same
&lt;br&gt;time?
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;doing....
&lt;br&gt;changed the startup from
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;/usr/bin/openoffice -accept=&amp;quot;socket,host=localhost,port=8100;urp;&amp;quot;
&lt;br&gt;-norestore -nologo -headless -nofirstwizard
&lt;br&gt;to
&lt;br&gt;/usr/bin/openoffice -accept=&amp;quot;pipe,name=localhost_app;urp;&amp;quot; -norestore
&lt;br&gt;-nofirstwizard -nologo -headless
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Now in the code I did:
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;import uno
&lt;br&gt;from com.sun.star.beans import PropertyValue
&lt;br&gt;from com.sun.star.connection import NoConnectException
&lt;br&gt;localContext = uno.getComponentContext()
&lt;br&gt;resolver &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; = localContext.ServiceManager.createInstanceWithContext(&amp;quot;com.sun.star.bridge.UnoUrlResolver&amp;quot;,
&lt;br&gt;localContext)
&lt;br&gt;context &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;= None
&lt;br&gt;context = resolver.resolve(&amp;quot;uno:pipe,name=localhost_app;urp;StarOffice.ComponentContext&amp;quot;)
&lt;br&gt;desktop = context.ServiceManager.createInstanceWithContext(&amp;quot;com.sun.star.frame.Desktop&amp;quot;,
&lt;br&gt;context)
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;but still get the connection lost....no change...(I wonder if I can
&lt;br&gt;use the NoConnectException somehow??)
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;troubleshooting....
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I've tried recreating the cursor every time the new section/action
&lt;br&gt;needs to be done. This has improved the process but still 1/5 fail in
&lt;br&gt;headless.
&lt;br&gt;What I noticed is that if headless process crashes, I can start the
&lt;br&gt;non-headless process and that will finish just fine, so it seems as
&lt;br&gt;headless startup will lose connection more often then the non headless
&lt;br&gt;one.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Since I start and stop oo from the script I really need to get the
&lt;br&gt;headless package to work properly.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; - check that the OOo process is still running. Actually, you may want to use
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; the subprocess module instead of the os one (you just be loosing
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; compatibility with Python 2.3). You would be able to grab errors from the
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; stderror channel of your process. I don't know if it throw any message
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; there, but in case it does, you'd be able to read it.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;There are no error messages when oo crashes. If I start the oo on the
&lt;br&gt;socket then process is still running but its no longer listening on
&lt;br&gt;the socket.
&lt;br&gt;This will show a lot of soffice processes after few days of running
&lt;br&gt;the process in cron.... &amp;nbsp; ps -ea | grep soffice
&lt;br&gt;But this command will show that none of them are listening
&lt;br&gt;anymore...netstat -atpen | grep soffice
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As far as pipe, i see its closing right now but I would need few days
&lt;br&gt;to see if the process closes when using cron?
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Ideas?
&lt;br&gt;Thanks,
&lt;br&gt;Lucas
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;div class='shrinkable-quote'&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Regards,
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; -Etienne
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Lukasz Szybalski wrote:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 2:29 AM, Kay Ramme &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=26270398&amp;i=1&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Kay.Ramme@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt; wrote:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Hi Lukasz,
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; this is a Python question, right?
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Typically connections die, because one of the hosts get disconnected or
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; one
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; of the applications do terminate.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Do you have a hint, which case is yours?
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; It seems as there is a exception in openoffice services. Service
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; terminates without sending back an error message, and its no longer
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; listening on the port.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; When that happens I get a message on the next oo call that the
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; connection was lost. So at this point I'm looking for a way for oo to
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; tell me that it failed, or look at some log that oo? creates to see
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; why it failed? Is there a log for the headless services oo is running?
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Thanks,
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Lucas
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
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<entry>
	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26270367</id>
	<title>Re: meaning and the effect of 0</title>
	<published>2009-11-09T09:31:42Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-09T09:31:42Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Harold Fuchs-2</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">Walter Hildebrandt wrote:
&lt;div class='shrinkable-quote'&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; You ask &amp;quot;Why don't you use the Conditional Formatting menu to do what you
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; want?&amp;quot; &amp;nbsp;I was told that Styles was a good way to do what I wanted to do so I
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; decided to use Styles
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; I had no experience and very little understanding of either Styles or
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Conditional Formatting. &amp;nbsp;I assumed Styles was easier to learn and use. &amp;nbsp;I
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; now have decided to learn and use Conditional Formatting instead of Styles.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; I am starting by checking the OOo website to see what information is
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; available.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Walter
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 2:49 AM, Harold Fuchs &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=26270367&amp;i=0&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;hwfa.openoffice@...&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; wrote:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; 2009/11/9 Harold Fuchs &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=26270367&amp;i=1&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;hwfa.openoffice@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; 2009/11/9 Walter Hildebrandt &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=26270367&amp;i=2&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;wh2468@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; What does 0 mean and what is its effect in various condition?
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; In a numeric context, 0 means zero.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; If you try to treat *text* in a numeric context then the text will
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; usually
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; be treated as zero.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp;For example : When I got the formula
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; =A1-40+IF(A1&amp;gt;40;STYLE(&amp;quot;RedText&amp;quot;);0),
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; I
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; was told “The STYLE function always returns 0, so the formula is
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; mathematically
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; equal to A1-40+0”
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Correct. I don't know where you got that formula but it doesn't do
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; anything
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; useful. See below.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; What is effect of the 0 at the end of the formula?
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; The syntax of an IF consists of three components:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;1. the condition
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;2. what to do if the condition is true
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;3. what to do if the condition is false
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; These are separated by semicolons. Thus your IF, which is
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; IF(A1&amp;gt;40;STYLE(&amp;quot;RedText&amp;quot;);0)
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; says
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;if the contents of cell A1 is greater than 40 &amp;nbsp;[#1, the condition]
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; set the current cell's value to STYLE(&amp;quot;RedText&amp;quot;) &amp;nbsp; [#2, what to do
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; if
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; the condition is true]
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;otherwise set the current cell's value to zero &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;[#3, what to do if
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; the
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; condition is false]
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; However, all this is nonsense. Calc's Help on the Style function tells us
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; that its syntax is nothing like the one you cited and that it doesn't do
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; anything like what you've been told. I quote:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; ======== begin quote ====
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Syntax
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; STYLE(style;time;style2)
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Style is the name of a cell style assigned to the cell. Style names must
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; be
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; entered in quotation marks.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Time is an optional time range in seconds. If this parameter is missing
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; the
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; style will not be changed after a certain amount of time has passed.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Style2 is the optional name of a cell style assigned to the cell after a
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; certain amount of time has passed. If this parameter is missing
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;quot;Standard&amp;quot;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; is assumed.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; ===end quote ===
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp;For example if “Negative numbers red” is selected (is checked) when
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; formatting cells, 0:[RED]-0 appears in the Format code box.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp;For example I was told “Enter something like this in the format code
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; field:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; 0&amp;quot;%&amp;quot; This will just add the % character right after the number, but the
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; number will still act as an ordinary number.”
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;quot;Something like&amp;quot; is probably true depending on your definition of the
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; phrase. A dog is something like a horse, perhaps: 4 legs, tail, hair,
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; friend
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; of mankind. But ...
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp;Also when entering the O, under different conditions, Is the 0 a zero
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; or
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; a
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; capital letter?
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; usually zero. A bare (unquoted) letter O would normally only be
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; meaningful
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; if you had *named* something (like a print-range) &amp;quot;O&amp;quot;.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Why don't you use the Conditional Formatting menu to do what you want?
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Sorry to reply to my own post but I've done some more research.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; If you have your values in column A, then you can set column B to your
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; desired colours (and values) by putting in B1 the formula
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; =A1+STYLE(IF(CURRENT()&amp;gt;40; &amp;quot;Red&amp;quot;; IF(CURRENT()&amp;lt;40;&amp;quot;Green&amp;quot;;&amp;quot;Default&amp;quot;)))
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; and dragging it down the column.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; This will set column B to have the same *values* as column A but with the
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; appropriate colours.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; You are *adding* (&amp;quot;+&amp;quot;) the value of the Style function, which is always
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; zero. But the function has the *side effect* of setting the style. Note
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; that
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; the If is &amp;quot;inside&amp;quot; the Style, not vice versa as you had it.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; The If looks complicated but isn't. It's just the normal 3 parts separated
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; by semicolons. The interesting bit is that the third part of the first If
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; is
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; another If, which has the usual 3 parts. Just read it carefully.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; --
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Harold Fuchs
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; London, England
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&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; 
&lt;/div&gt;See my second post (above). Brian Barker told you, in a different thread 
&lt;br&gt;of yours on this same subject &amp;quot;But using STYLE(IF()) instead of 
&lt;br&gt;IF(STYLE()) appears to solve the problem&amp;quot;. This is the same as my 
&lt;br&gt;comment above: &amp;quot;Note that the If is &amp;quot;inside&amp;quot; the Style, not vice versa 
&lt;br&gt;as you had it.&amp;quot;
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Now that you have the correct syntax, using styles is the way to go as 
&lt;br&gt;they are more generally useful throughout OOo, not just in Calc.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;-- 
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26270353</id>
	<title>Re: What is the status of the layout manager and the related   &quot;new&quot; format to describe dialogs</title>
	<published>2009-11-09T09:30:35Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-09T09:30:35Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Michael Stahl-3</name>
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	<content type="html">On 09/11/2009 16:43, Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; When I commit code to Go-oo, chances are that a binary will be built
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; from them and shipped to users within a week. &amp;nbsp;Sometimes within hours.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Also, upstream often did [does?] not build ootb, and it's impossible for
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; me to fix the build within a reasonable time frame [ie: hours]. &amp;nbsp;I
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; can fix the go-oo build within an hour if it's broken, if someone
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; doesn't beat me to it ;-)
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;actually, afaik, if a tagged OOo milestone does not build (especially on a
&lt;br&gt;supported platform like linux/x86), and you are certain that it's a bug in
&lt;br&gt;OOo and not your environment, you can file a &amp;quot;P1&amp;quot; issue, attach a patch,
&lt;br&gt;and expect that patch to be committed for the next milestone.
&lt;br&gt;assign the issue to your favorite release engineer, and put your second
&lt;br&gt;favorite on CC:, just in case your favorite happens to be on vacation.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Greetings,
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Janneke.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;regards,
&lt;br&gt;michael
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;-- 
&lt;br&gt;Death put his skull on one side. IT'S A SMALL THING, he added.
&lt;br&gt;YOU _COULD_ HAVE HAD ETERNITY.
&lt;br&gt;'I know,' said Mort. 'I've been very lucky.'
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp;-- Terry Pratchett, &amp;quot;Mort&amp;quot;
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	<title>Re: Re: List moderator(s)</title>
	<published>2009-11-09T09:28:37Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-09T09:28:37Z</updated>
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		<name>John Kaufmann</name>
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	<content type="html">Barbara,
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In a message dated 2009.11.09 12:05 -0500, Barbara Duprey wrote:
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Allan, the account &lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=26270325&amp;i=0&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;awmacklem@...&lt;/a&gt; is indeed subscribed to the 
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&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I already wrote to Allan off-list, to explain that he is subscribed and 
&lt;br&gt;can unsubscribe (and showed him how), and asked him to supply info so we 
&lt;br&gt;can determine how he became inadvertently subscribed. &amp;nbsp;I know you are 
&lt;br&gt;trying to assemble that picture, so I will let you know what he says.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;John
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	<title>Re: meaning and the effect of 0</title>
	<published>2009-11-09T09:23:57Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-09T09:23:57Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Johnny Rosenberg</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">2009/11/9 Walter Hildebrandt &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=26270240&amp;i=0&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;wh2468@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt;:
&lt;div class='shrinkable-quote'&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; You ask &amp;quot;Why don't you use the Conditional Formatting menu to do what you
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; want?&amp;quot;  I was told that Styles was a good way to do what I wanted to do so I
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; decided to use Styles
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; I had no experience and very little understanding of either Styles or
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Conditional Formatting.  I assumed Styles was easier to learn and use.  I
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; now have decided to learn and use Conditional Formatting instead of Styles.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; I am starting by checking the OOo website to see what information is
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; available.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Walter
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br&gt;As I tried to explain earlier, both methods (or all three, I think
&lt;br&gt;someone suggested a third way to do the same thing) will work but they
&lt;br&gt;are suitable for different situations. As I explained, Style() is very
&lt;br&gt;good if you need more than three different styles depending on value
&lt;br&gt;of a cell. Just name the styles in a smart way and you can do funny
&lt;br&gt;stuff, and also useful stuff.
&lt;br&gt;In this case, conditional formatting is just as good, if not better. I
&lt;br&gt;am pretty sure I mentioned that, if not I apologize. But what's the
&lt;br&gt;point mentioning the same method that somebody else already mentioned?
&lt;br&gt;So I mentioned another solution.
&lt;br&gt;Since I understand that you are a beginner and you seem to be
&lt;br&gt;interested in learning, I just thought that I should, or at least
&lt;br&gt;could, inform you about this method. Maybe it's not the most suitable
&lt;br&gt;for your current problem, but as you go forward in learning this
&lt;br&gt;method maybe will give you some inspiration later. Well, something
&lt;br&gt;like that anyway.
&lt;br&gt;I didn't mean to confuse you, sorry if that happened.
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	<title>Re: Unsubscribing [was List Filtering - NNTP]</title>
	<published>2009-11-09T09:23:37Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-09T09:23:37Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Barbara Duprey</name>
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	<content type="html">John Kaufmann wrote:
&lt;div class='shrinkable-quote'&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; In a message dated 2009.11.08 16:11 -0500, Barbara Duprey wrote:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Hall, Ray wrote:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; I don't know how I got on this mailing list? ...
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Ray, please get with me off-list (&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=26270241&amp;i=0&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;barb@...&lt;/a&gt;) ... We really need 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; to understand how somebody can be subscribed here without knowing how!
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Barbara, thanks so much for going off-list to get answers. Facts are 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; key to curing this illness, and gathering facts off-list helps the 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; list without the pain of additional traffic.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Also, I did not know that unsubscribing could be initiated from a 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; different address than the subscribed address:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; ... If you expand the header for one of the messages coming to you
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; from the list, the subscribed account is named in the Return-Path
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; header (with an equals sign instead of an at sign -- the indirect
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; form of the address). Suppose that's &lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=26270241&amp;i=1&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;ray@...&lt;/a&gt;. Then you can
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&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; confirmation message to which you can respond.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Thanks for that tip. I would have said to look at the &amp;quot;Delivered-To:&amp;quot; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; header, but your use of the &amp;quot;Return-Path:&amp;quot; header gives a syntax for 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; unsubscribing from wherever Ray is. OTOH, I don't get how Ray receives 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; mail at an address other than the one subscribed.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; John
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp;If not, we can pursue
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; this off-list. 
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br&gt;There's got to be some sort of pass-through mechanism involved. Such 
&lt;br&gt;things exist, generally under an ISP's control for temporary use when an 
&lt;br&gt;account is moving, but the actual circumstances here need to be pinned 
&lt;br&gt;down. By the way, I got that information by looking at the 
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