Ouch!

[Michael Jordan]

Just dropped €30 for the equivalent of a spray bottle of S100 and a liter of
synthetic oil.

That's $42

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[Brian Roach]

I didn't know Coleman Powersports had expanded with an oversees location.

- Roach

Michael Jordan wrote:
> Just dropped €30 for the equivalent of a spray bottle of S100 and a liter of
> synthetic oil.
>
> That's $42
>
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[Dave Yates]

I didn't know Coleman Powersports had expanded with an oversees location.

- Roach

[Dave] Or an overseas location...
Maybe MJ's uber-fancy synthetic oil is augmented with hefeweizen ;-)  





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[Danny Motorcycle]

Speaking of coleman.. I heard criswell and cycles USA has folded.. we
can only hope coleman is next.

On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 10:56 AM, Dave Yates<dave@...> wrote:

> I didn't know Coleman Powersports had expanded with an oversees location.
>
> - Roach
>
> [Dave] Or an overseas location...
> Maybe MJ's uber-fancy synthetic oil is augmented with hefeweizen ;-)
>
>
>
>
>
> Michael Jordan wrote:
>> Just dropped €30 for the equivalent of a spray bottle of S100 and a liter of
>> synthetic oil.
>>
>> That's $42
>
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[Dave Yates]

Danny complained:
Speaking of coleman.. I heard criswell and cycles USA has folded.. we
can only hope coleman is next.

[Dave]  Should we really applaud or encourage a moto shop going under?

Just for a little context, the Duc I bought was the same price at Coleman it was out in West B.F. at Duc whatever...  

Anyway...


On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 10:56 AM, Dave Yates<dave@...> wrote:
> I didn't know Coleman Powersports had expanded with an oversees location.
>
> - Roach
>
> [Dave] Or an overseas location...
> Maybe MJ's uber-fancy synthetic oil is augmented with hefeweizen ;-)
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[Paul Wilson-10]

Yes, I too am wondering how having fewer dealers and less competition in the
area is somehow a good thing.

On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 8:00 AM, Dave Yates <dave@...> wrote:

> Danny complained:
> Speaking of coleman.. I heard criswell and cycles USA has folded.. we
> can only hope coleman is next.
>
> [Dave]  Should we really applaud or encourage a moto shop going under?
>
> Just for a little context, the Duc I bought was the same price at Coleman
> it was out in West B.F. at Duc whatever...
>
> Anyway...
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 10:56 AM, Dave Yates<dave@...> wrote:
> > I didn't know Coleman Powersports had expanded with an oversees location.
> >
> > - Roach
> >
> > [Dave] Or an overseas location...
> > Maybe MJ's uber-fancy synthetic oil is augmented with hefeweizen ;-)
> >
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[dcstrom]

Huh, well I for one am not going to complain about Cycles USA going under.
They took 5 weeks to do some small recall items on my '08 KLR, plus I'd
asked for a malfunctioning tripmeter to be fixed. So, recall work and one
warranty job. When I finally picked it up was the day before they closed, I
said what about the tripmeter... they said Oh, we didn't put in a claim for
that because our relationship with Kawasaki has not been very good for a
while. Nice of them to tell me.

I was not happy, I can tell you.

This was also the weekend before my warranty expired, so now I have to try
to claim the tripmeter retrospectively.

Trevor

On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 8:00 AM, Dave Yates <dave@...> wrote:

> Danny complained:
> Speaking of coleman.. I heard criswell and cycles USA has folded.. we
> can only hope coleman is next.
>
> [Dave]  Should we really applaud or encourage a moto shop going under?
>
> Just for a little context, the Duc I bought was the same price at Coleman
> it was out in West B.F. at Duc whatever...
>
> Anyway...
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 10:56 AM, Dave Yates<dave@...> wrote:
> > I didn't know Coleman Powersports had expanded with an oversees location.
> >
> > - Roach
> >
> > [Dave] Or an overseas location...
> > Maybe MJ's uber-fancy synthetic oil is augmented with hefeweizen ;-)
> >
>
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[Rob Keiser]

From what I heard, Criswell closed their PowerSports (division?) to make
room for their Nissan/Infiniti dealerships..formerly Victory by Costco, I
believe.

They were then thinking about building a new building for PowerSports
somewhere nearby on Amaranth Dr. in Germantown, but who knows in this
economy what will happen.  Although Mr. Criswell is far from poor.

Never really cared much for Cycles, so I'm not heartbroken.

Probably means more business for the guys at RAM.

Rob
'98 VFR800

On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 9:33 AM, Paul Wilson <dcmcrider@...> wrote:

> Yes, I too am wondering how having fewer dealers and less competition in
> the
> area is somehow a good thing.
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[Perry Coleman-2]

I'm a little bummed out about Cycles USA going away. I bought my first MC
part from them back in 1981. I had bought my KZ440 the previous year and was
commuting between Hyattsville and DC almost daily. I was on my way home and
lost my clutch cable on L Street. I tried to limp on, but couldn't manage it
in rush hour traffic. I ended up pulling over at 14th and L, NW. I called my
roomate to come get me and went into the bar and waited. The next day I
started calling around for a cable. I tried the Dirt Shop (in College Park)
and Freestate (where I bought the bike) but they did not have one in stock.
I called Cycles USA and they did. So, I jumped in the truck and drove up
there, got the cable, drove back to where I had left the bike (abandoned gas
station at the corner) and tried to replace the cable. I then had to go find
a hardware store to buy an impact driver to get it apart since the screws
were frozen in the case <sigh>. Eventually, I got the bike back together and
rode it home. My roomate brought me back later to pick up the truck (after a
quick stop at the bar...)

Over the years, I had good luck getting parts and accessories through Cycles
USA. I tried them for service twice. Once on an older bike and once for the
500 mile service on a new bike. Both experiences convinced me that I would
not go to them for service unless there was absolutely no other choice.
Their sales team was hit or miss. I had a few good conversations with the
sales guys, but for the most part, they weren't all that knowledgeable. They
may have had some area of expertise, but it wasn't an area that I was
interested in.

Sales and Service is probably what did them in. It is a shame to lose them,
but that's business. If they can't compete, they can't survive.

By the way, I stopped by Heyser Cycle last week (first time I've been in
there in several years). The sales floor looked pretty much the same, but
the parts and accessories area was really well stocked. The counter guys
were friendly and helpful and I will certainly go there again. I normally
use RAM Cycles (in Rockville) but it's good to have options. I may have to
swing by the Dirt Shop sometime. I used to spend a lot of time there when I
lived down that way. The last time I drove by, they looked like they were
still in business, but I haven't gone there in years.

Perry
On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 9:41 AM, Rob Keiser <robert.keiser@...> wrote:

> From what I heard, Criswell closed their PowerSports (division?) to make
> room for their Nissan/Infiniti dealerships..formerly Victory by Costco, I
> believe.
>
> They were then thinking about building a new building for PowerSports
> somewhere nearby on Amaranth Dr. in Germantown, but who knows in this
> economy what will happen.  Although Mr. Criswell is far from poor.
>
> Never really cared much for Cycles, so I'm not heartbroken.
>
> Probably means more business for the guys at RAM.
>
> Rob
> '98 VFR800
>
> On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 9:33 AM, Paul Wilson <dcmcrider@...> wrote:
>
> > Yes, I too am wondering how having fewer dealers and less competition in
> > the
> > area is somehow a good thing.
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[Paul Wilson-10]

Does that mean MoCo is down to one motorcycle dealership (Battley's)? Being the perennial tightwad, and firm believer in the overwhelming merits of purchasing used bikes, I have to confess I don't follow the ups and downs of the dealership business all that closely.
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From what I heard, Criswell closed their PowerSports (division?) to make
room for their Nissan/Infiniti dealerships..formerly Victory by Costco, I
believe.

They were then thinking about building a new building for PowerSports
somewhere nearby on Amaranth Dr. in Germantown, but who knows in this
economy what will happen.  Although Mr. Criswell is far from poor.

Never really cared much for Cycles, so I'm not heartbroken.

Probably means more business for the guys at RAM.

Rob
'98 VFR800

On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 9:33 AM, Paul Wilson <dcmcrider@...> wrote:

> Yes, I too am wondering how having fewer dealers and less competition in
> the
> area is somehow a good thing.
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[Perry Coleman-2]

Battley's/Rockville H-D may be the only full-service MC dealer in the county
now. RAM is pretty full-service, but they do not sell new bikes, only used.
Their big thing is parts, accessories and service.

I do go to Battley's every now and then (since they're 5 minutes from my
house) but don't buy too much from them. I did buy my Sidi boots from them a
couple of years ago when they were having a big sale...

Perry
On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 11:15 AM, <dcmcrider@...> wrote:

> Does that mean MoCo is down to one motorcycle dealership (Battley's)? Being
> the perennial tightwad, and firm believer in the overwhelming merits of
> purchasing used bikes, I have to confess I don't follow the ups and downs of
> the dealership business all that closely.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rob Keiser <robert.keiser@...>
>
> Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 09:41:32
> To: <dc-cycles@...>
> Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Ouch!
>
>
> From what I heard, Criswell closed their PowerSports (division?) to make
> room for their Nissan/Infiniti dealerships..formerly Victory by Costco, I
> believe.
>
> They were then thinking about building a new building for PowerSports
> somewhere nearby on Amaranth Dr. in Germantown, but who knows in this
> economy what will happen.  Although Mr. Criswell is far from poor.
>
> Never really cared much for Cycles, so I'm not heartbroken.
>
> Probably means more business for the guys at RAM.
>
> Rob
> '98 VFR800
>
> On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 9:33 AM, Paul Wilson <dcmcrider@...> wrote:
>
> > Yes, I too am wondering how having fewer dealers and less competition in
> > the
> > area is somehow a good thing.
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[matthew patton]

sure, fewer players isn't great for competition. BUT a lousy dealership dying is precisely what competition and the free market is about. If there is sufficient demand, a new one will spring up. I'm sure those with a good rep are salivating at the prospect of more money to be made. There are more than enough dealerships in a 50 let alone 30mile radius to keep people honest.


     
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[Kirk Roy]

How long has RAM been around? Is CAD dead? I'm way out of the loop on
shops nowadays...

Kirk

On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 11:23 AM, Perry
Coleman<perry.d.coleman@...> wrote:

> Battley's/Rockville H-D may be the only full-service MC dealer in the county
> now. RAM is pretty full-service, but they do not sell new bikes, only used.
> Their big thing is parts, accessories and service.
>
> I do go to Battley's every now and then (since they're 5 minutes from my
> house) but don't buy too much from them. I did buy my Sidi boots from them a
> couple of years ago when they were having a big sale...
>
> Perry
> On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 11:15 AM, <dcmcrider@...> wrote:
>
>> Does that mean MoCo is down to one motorcycle dealership (Battley's)? Being
>> the perennial tightwad, and firm believer in the overwhelming merits of
>> purchasing used bikes, I have to confess I don't follow the ups and downs of
>> the dealership business all that closely.
>> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rob Keiser <robert.keiser@...>
>>
>> Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 09:41:32
>> To: <dc-cycles@...>
>> Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Ouch!
>>
>>
>> From what I heard, Criswell closed their PowerSports (division?) to make
>> room for their Nissan/Infiniti dealerships..formerly Victory by Costco, I
>> believe.
>>
>> They were then thinking about building a new building for PowerSports
>> somewhere nearby on Amaranth Dr. in Germantown, but who knows in this
>> economy what will happen.  Although Mr. Criswell is far from poor.
>>
>> Never really cared much for Cycles, so I'm not heartbroken.
>>
>> Probably means more business for the guys at RAM.
>>
>> Rob
>> '98 VFR800
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 9:33 AM, Paul Wilson <dcmcrider@...> wrote:
>>
>> > Yes, I too am wondering how having fewer dealers and less competition in
>> > the
>> > area is somehow a good thing.
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[Perry Coleman-2]

Dave, at CAD, sold out a few years ago. RAM opened in the same location but
outgrew it and moved to E. Gude Drive last year. They've continued to expand
and have plans to do more. Their prices are a little higher than CAD, at
least in some areas, but they've got a big service shop and can get a lot
done with very little wait time. Routine items, like tires, oil, etc. can
sometimes get done "while you wait" or within one day. That's an improvement
over most shops, in my experience. I hate having to make an appointment (or
drop my bike off) days or weeks ahead to get stuff done. I do some things
myself, but when I need a shop, I need it now...

The crew at RAM have been good to work with and I'm pretty happy with them.

Perry
On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 11:33 AM, Kirk Roy <kirkroy@...> wrote:

> How long has RAM been around? Is CAD dead? I'm way out of the loop on
> shops nowadays...
>
> Kirk
>
> On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 11:23 AM, Perry
> Coleman<perry.d.coleman@...> wrote:
> > Battley's/Rockville H-D may be the only full-service MC dealer in the
> county
> > now. RAM is pretty full-service, but they do not sell new bikes, only
> used.
> > Their big thing is parts, accessories and service.
> >
> > I do go to Battley's every now and then (since they're 5 minutes from my
> > house) but don't buy too much from them. I did buy my Sidi boots from
> them a
> > couple of years ago when they were having a big sale...
> >
> > Perry
> > On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 11:15 AM, <dcmcrider@...> wrote:
> >
> >> Does that mean MoCo is down to one motorcycle dealership (Battley's)?
> Being
> >> the perennial tightwad, and firm believer in the overwhelming merits of
> >> purchasing used bikes, I have to confess I don't follow the ups and
> downs of
> >> the dealership business all that closely.
> >> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Rob Keiser <robert.keiser@...>
> >>
> >> Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 09:41:32
> >> To: <dc-cycles@...>
> >> Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Ouch!
> >>
> >>
> >> From what I heard, Criswell closed their PowerSports (division?) to make
> >> room for their Nissan/Infiniti dealerships..formerly Victory by Costco,
> I
> >> believe.
> >>
> >> They were then thinking about building a new building for PowerSports
> >> somewhere nearby on Amaranth Dr. in Germantown, but who knows in this
> >> economy what will happen.  Although Mr. Criswell is far from poor.
> >>
> >> Never really cared much for Cycles, so I'm not heartbroken.
> >>
> >> Probably means more business for the guys at RAM.
> >>
> >> Rob
> >> '98 VFR800
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 9:33 AM, Paul Wilson <dcmcrider@...>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Yes, I too am wondering how having fewer dealers and less competition
> in
> >> > the
> >> > area is somehow a good thing.
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[Danny Motorcycle]

Yes, I hoped colemans' would be next because of all the horror stories
I've heard.

We've got the internet to order parts now from sites like ronayers and
bikebandit.
(often the dealerships just order the parts anyway, and sometimes screw it up,
Why drive somewhere to pay someone, to come back, to pick it up, when you
could just order from home and get it delivered there?)   Stock up yourself on
things you can anticipate.


How often do you guys buy new bikes to need several within 20 minutes drive?
I've only heard good things about Motorcycle Factory to buy new bikes.
Personally
I'd travel a couple hundred miles for the money. A friend of mine got
his bike shipped
from Florida. *shrug*

As far as service...  Big dealerships will hire unqualified people. My
cousin got a job at freestate,  I wouldn't want him even pushing my
bike around much less working on it.

And now for a plug,  I have a new shop in capitol heights MD, around
the corner from freestate.  My partner is the mechanic, he graduated
MMI,  worked at a small shop, then worked at freestate for a coupe of
years.    So you can get the same profesional dealership
experienced mechanic  at a much lower rate.  His rates are also pretty
reasonable, and
I invite you to compare prices.  I know for a fact that he will do
jobs cheaper than
anywhere else locally. So I invite you to call around and then call
him for work estimates.

 JC 321-432-4600

I guess I'll throw up another post..
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[Paul Wilson-10]

Well, good luck getting those wonderful out-of-state dealerships to support the Virginia Rider Training Program the way the local dealers, including the dreaded "C", do.

P (not a spokesman for MSF or VRTP--just work for 'em)
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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 14:40:43
To: DC Cycles<dc-cycles@...>
Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Ouch!


Yes, I hoped colemans' would be next because of all the horror stories
I've heard.

We've got the internet to order parts now from sites like ronayers and
bikebandit.
(often the dealerships just order the parts anyway, and sometimes screw it up,
Why drive somewhere to pay someone, to come back, to pick it up, when you
could just order from home and get it delivered there?)   Stock up yourself on
things you can anticipate.


How often do you guys buy new bikes to need several within 20 minutes drive?
I've only heard good things about Motorcycle Factory to buy new bikes.
Personally
I'd travel a couple hundred miles for the money. A friend of mine got
his bike shipped
from Florida. *shrug*

As far as service...  Big dealerships will hire unqualified people. My
cousin got a job at freestate,  I wouldn't want him even pushing my
bike around much less working on it.

And now for a plug,  I have a new shop in capitol heights MD, around
the corner from freestate.  My partner is the mechanic, he graduated
MMI,  worked at a small shop, then worked at freestate for a coupe of
years.    So you can get the same profesional dealership
experienced mechanic  at a much lower rate.  His rates are also pretty
reasonable, and
I invite you to compare prices.  I know for a fact that he will do
jobs cheaper than
anywhere else locally. So I invite you to call around and then call
him for work estimates.

 JC 321-432-4600

I guess I'll throw up another post..
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[mike b.-4]

dcmcrider@... wrote:

> Being the perennial tightwad, and firm believer in the overwhelming
> merits of purchasing used bikes, I have to confess I don't follow the
> ups and downs of the dealership business all that closely.

Battley's has a used bike department.  They sell trade-ins and
consignment bikes.  Bingo is the guy in charge of that area.  It's on
the left of the building as you face it from the street.


As for dealers, has D.C. Cruisers gone away?  They sold new bikes of the
"custom" variety....Iron Horse, Bear, etc. (i.e. expensive but pretty if
you like choppers).

-- Mike B.
--

'04 FLSTCI  (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks)

Learning from your mistakes is good.  Learning from someone else's
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[Danny Motorcycle]

I've never heard of the va rider training program.
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[Paul Wilson-10]

Colloquially known "the MSF course". VRTP is the Va DMV's umbrella
program encompassing all the training sites in Virginia. Only VRTP
sites (which use MSF's BRC curriculum materials, with a few
alterations) can issue a license waiver to students. Locally, VRTP
sites include the 2 NOVA campuses and Apex.

On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 3:17 PM, Danny<motorpsychol@...> wrote:
> I've never heard of the va rider training program.
>
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[J D-3]

On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 3:25 PM, Paul Wilson<dcmcrider@...> wrote:
> Colloquially known "the MSF course". VRTP is the Va DMV's umbrella
> program encompassing all the training sites in Virginia. Only VRTP
> sites (which use MSF's BRC curriculum materials, with a few
> alterations) can issue a license waiver to students. Locally, VRTP
> sites include the 2 NOVA campuses and Apex.

Also there are sites near-ish by in Front royal, Fredericsburg(apex),
and locust grove. These sites are a bit out of the NoVA area and if
you are willing to drive a bit, generally have MUCH shorter wait times
for classes. Locust Grove recently opened a second training range, so
they are running 2  24-student classes a weekend, plus a mid-week
course.

I find it amazing that there is that much demand for training, but as
long as there are students wanting it we will be there offering
training if we can.

-JD
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