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Hi,
 
I don't know if WebERP invoices are made with ReportWriter or any else and not sure if invoices are saved in the server, but I think so. Maybe we could approach a sort of Document Management saving all the pdfs in the server and providing something like a Document Browser or the like.
 
Could it be? Is it done already? If I'm right and invoices are saved at the server, what method is used by the others users to view them?
 
Maybe the word Management implies to go further. I mean a simple interface.
 
Thanks,
javier
 
 

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Re: PDF Documents Management

by Bogdan Stanciu :: Rate this Message:

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Funny enough, i am giving a thought on the subject right now:-))

i really think that this is useful but missing :-)

in any case we should start with the scripts which create pdfs, as names
like "invoice.pdf" is not something we can use in the long run.

As for the naming, i see two main roads:
1. a unique name, unreadable, like awoeir34rjfwe.pdf, which can be
solved only by the DMS (there are actually a few OS DMS out there...)
2. a more readable name, like [date][docType][transNo].pdf or whatever.
we could even make some config fields for this, so each company could
set its naming convention.

just some fresh, out of the box :-) ideas.

cheers,
bogdan


AESE wrote:

> Hi,
>  
> I don't know if WebERP invoices are made with ReportWriter or any else
> and not sure if invoices are saved in the server, but I think so.
> Maybe we could approach a sort of Document Management saving all the
> pdfs in the server and providing something like a Document Browser or
> the like.
>  
> Could it be? Is it done already? If I'm right and invoices are saved
> at the server, what method is used by the others users to view them?
>  
> Maybe the word Management implies to go further. I mean a simple
> interface.
>  
> Thanks,
> javier
>  
>  
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Re: PDF Documents Management

by Phil Daintree-3 :: Rate this Message:

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No the invoices are made PrintCustTrans.php or
PrintCustTrans_Portrait.php depending on whether the config is set to
print portrait or landscape invoices... they are not saved on the server
- although I guess we could make it so.... we could end up choking the
server with data.

Phil

AESE, S.L., Javier de Lorenzo-Cáceres. wrote:

> Hi,
>  
> I don't know if WebERP invoices are made with ReportWriter or any else
> and not sure if invoices are saved in the server, but I think so. Maybe
> we could approach a sort of Document Management saving all the pdfs in
> the server and providing something like a Document Browser or the like.
>  
> Could it be? Is it done already? If I'm right and invoices are saved at
> the server, what method is used by the others users to view them?
>  
> Maybe the word Management implies to go further. I mean a simple interface.
>  
> Thanks,
> javier
>  
>  
>
>
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Re: PDF Documents Management

by Javier de Lorenzo-Cáceres :: Rate this Message:

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Hi Phil,

I told because in my weberpdemo installation, in the directory reportwriter,
there is an invoice I believe it was made by Zhiguo Yuan when testing
because it has chinese chars. The filename is Invoice.pdf, the items are 2
DVD Movies and date is 29/4/2009. Then, if I understand, this invoice will
be overwritten when another invoice will be made? and then the config
settings for directories are a kind of temp directories? are there
exceptions to the rule?

I would like to understand with no doubt what is the intended behaviour
before beginning to change all the reports, and see if I might do it with
only one lap. When I saw the "config parameters" settings I thought in the
"report directory" like a directory for collecting documents (similar to the
pics directory but pics for upload and reports for download), I was wrong.

When we tested the open document format server, this cause temp files to
appear for .odt documents. I believe that the chinese invoice is for the
webERP ISO version because the date and because TCPDF permits to config the
cache in both ways and the default is main memory (without temp file which
is secondary memory). I have to check because this is related with pdf
filenames, I mean, if a temp file is used and the filename is constant, temp
file will be overwritten but if name varies we will be wasting server space
without having the benefits of document management, true?

Many thanks Phil,
javier


----- Original Message -----
From: "Phil Daintree" <phil@...>
To: "webERP Developers" <web-erp-developers@...>
Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 10:30 AM
Subject: Re: [WebERP-developers] PDF Documents Management


No the invoices are made PrintCustTrans.php or
PrintCustTrans_Portrait.php depending on whether the config is set to
print portrait or landscape invoices... they are not saved on the server
- although I guess we could make it so.... we could end up choking the
server with data.

Phil

AESE, S.L., Javier de Lorenzo-Cáceres. wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I don't know if WebERP invoices are made with ReportWriter or any else
> and not sure if invoices are saved in the server, but I think so. Maybe
> we could approach a sort of Document Management saving all the pdfs in
> the server and providing something like a Document Browser or the like.
>
> Could it be? Is it done already? If I'm right and invoices are saved at
> the server, what method is used by the others users to view them?
>
> Maybe the word Management implies to go further. I mean a simple
> interface.
>
> Thanks,
> javier
>
>
>
>
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Re: PDF Documents Management

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A long time ago soon after I got involved in webERP it occurred to me
that a nice feature would be a "spool queue" where created documents
could be kept on the server and then reprinted. This could have a size
limit put on it, and it could even be on a by user basis. When the
user was reaching their limit documents would have to be deleted to
make way for new ones.

Tim


2009/11/2 Bogdan Stanciu <bogdanovidiu.stanciu@...>:

> Funny enough, i am giving a thought on the subject right now:-))
>
> i really think that this is useful but missing :-)
>
> in any case we should start with the scripts which create pdfs, as names
> like "invoice.pdf" is not something we can use in the long run.
>
> As for the naming, i see two main roads:
> 1. a unique name, unreadable, like awoeir34rjfwe.pdf, which can be
> solved only by the DMS (there are actually a few OS DMS out there...)
> 2. a more readable name, like [date][docType][transNo].pdf or whatever.
> we could even make some config fields for this, so each company could
> set its naming convention.
>
> just some fresh, out of the box :-) ideas.
>
> cheers,
> bogdan
>
>
> AESE wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I don't know if WebERP invoices are made with ReportWriter or any else
>> and not sure if invoices are saved in the server, but I think so.
>> Maybe we could approach a sort of Document Management saving all the
>> pdfs in the server and providing something like a Document Browser or
>> the like.
>>
>> Could it be? Is it done already? If I'm right and invoices are saved
>> at the server, what method is used by the others users to view them?
>>
>> Maybe the word Management implies to go further. I mean a simple
>> interface.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> javier
>>
>>
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Re: PDF Documents Management

by Javier de Lorenzo-Cáceres :: Rate this Message:

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uhmm, I was thinking more in a collaborative groupware tool and a company
archive than a user's folder. I was more concerned in permissions than
space, indeed, space is what I have a lot and just thought to give it some
use. Even a 36GB SAS drive has lot of space for the matter. For
compatibility with older systems that are going to upgrade webERP not
upgrading hardware, a config parameter would do. Let me do an early
calculation of the space required, let's take 100KB each pdf document, then
we get 10000 documents per GB, could it be?

Thanks,
javier

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Schofield" <tim.schofield1960@...>
To: "webERP Developers" <web-erp-developers@...>
Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 4:48 PM
Subject: Re: [WebERP-developers] PDF Documents Management


>A long time ago soon after I got involved in webERP it occurred to me
> that a nice feature would be a "spool queue" where created documents
> could be kept on the server and then reprinted. This could have a size
> limit put on it, and it could even be on a by user basis. When the
> user was reaching their limit documents would have to be deleted to
> make way for new ones.
>
> Tim
>
>
> 2009/11/2 Bogdan Stanciu <bogdanovidiu.stanciu@...>:
>> Funny enough, i am giving a thought on the subject right now:-))
>>
>> i really think that this is useful but missing :-)
>>
>> in any case we should start with the scripts which create pdfs, as names
>> like "invoice.pdf" is not something we can use in the long run.
>>
>> As for the naming, i see two main roads:
>> 1. a unique name, unreadable, like awoeir34rjfwe.pdf, which can be
>> solved only by the DMS (there are actually a few OS DMS out there...)
>> 2. a more readable name, like [date][docType][transNo].pdf or whatever.
>> we could even make some config fields for this, so each company could
>> set its naming convention.
>>
>> just some fresh, out of the box :-) ideas.
>>
>> cheers,
>> bogdan
>>
>>
>> AESE wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I don't know if WebERP invoices are made with ReportWriter or any else
>>> and not sure if invoices are saved in the server, but I think so.
>>> Maybe we could approach a sort of Document Management saving all the
>>> pdfs in the server and providing something like a Document Browser or
>>> the like.
>>>
>>> Could it be? Is it done already? If I'm right and invoices are saved
>>> at the server, what method is used by the others users to view them?
>>>
>>> Maybe the word Management implies to go further. I mean a simple
>>> interface.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> javier
>>>
>>>
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Re: PDF Documents Management

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Guys,

I think we shall see the BIG picture, where webERP is not just and
accounting system (don't worry, i just minimised it, i know that it is
already more :-)), but a real ERP. Then we HAVE to have a DMS (doc mgmt
sys) for all/some outputs.

Let's not forget that invoices are legal documents, which have to be
kept for quite some time. At least I live in a country where e-docs are
allowed, so, as I am for a paperless office, I strongly believe that we
need a proper tool for this.

Secondly, nice features already exist (for retrieval) and more could be
done. At a certain point in time we should brainstorm a bit on the
subject, i think.
Size/space could be a problem, security too. Restricted view, write,
delete are needed. I would not exclude the integration of an OS DMS into
our ERP.

We could maybe create a preliminary page on the wiki, for this.

cheers,

AESE wrote:

> uhmm, I was thinking more in a collaborative groupware tool and a company
> archive than a user's folder. I was more concerned in permissions than
> space, indeed, space is what I have a lot and just thought to give it some
> use. Even a 36GB SAS drive has lot of space for the matter. For
> compatibility with older systems that are going to upgrade webERP not
> upgrading hardware, a config parameter would do. Let me do an early
> calculation of the space required, let's take 100KB each pdf document, then
> we get 10000 documents per GB, could it be?
>
> Thanks,
> javier
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tim Schofield" <tim.schofield1960@...>
> To: "webERP Developers" <web-erp-developers@...>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 4:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [WebERP-developers] PDF Documents Management
>
>
>  
>> A long time ago soon after I got involved in webERP it occurred to me
>> that a nice feature would be a "spool queue" where created documents
>> could be kept on the server and then reprinted. This could have a size
>> limit put on it, and it could even be on a by user basis. When the
>> user was reaching their limit documents would have to be deleted to
>> make way for new ones.
>>
>> Tim
>>
>>
>> 2009/11/2 Bogdan Stanciu <bogdanovidiu.stanciu@...>:
>>    
>>> Funny enough, i am giving a thought on the subject right now:-))
>>>
>>> i really think that this is useful but missing :-)
>>>
>>> in any case we should start with the scripts which create pdfs, as names
>>> like "invoice.pdf" is not something we can use in the long run.
>>>
>>> As for the naming, i see two main roads:
>>> 1. a unique name, unreadable, like awoeir34rjfwe.pdf, which can be
>>> solved only by the DMS (there are actually a few OS DMS out there...)
>>> 2. a more readable name, like [date][docType][transNo].pdf or whatever.
>>> we could even make some config fields for this, so each company could
>>> set its naming convention.
>>>
>>> just some fresh, out of the box :-) ideas.
>>>
>>> cheers,
>>> bogdan
>>>
>>>
>>> AESE wrote:
>>>      
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I don't know if WebERP invoices are made with ReportWriter or any else
>>>> and not sure if invoices are saved in the server, but I think so.
>>>> Maybe we could approach a sort of Document Management saving all the
>>>> pdfs in the server and providing something like a Document Browser or
>>>> the like.
>>>>
>>>> Could it be? Is it done already? If I'm right and invoices are saved
>>>> at the server, what method is used by the others users to view them?
>>>>
>>>> Maybe the word Management implies to go further. I mean a simple
>>>> interface.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> javier
>>>>
>>>>
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Re: PDF Documents Management

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As we are talking about this, I was wondering if someone could recommend
me an OS tool for integrated OCR. I mean OCR which can be used for data
retrieval from paper documents. My flow would be something like that:


1. scan doc (pdf/tiff/whatever)

2. OCR against some specific labels ( invoice no, amount, and so on) or
some kind of template.

3. insert the data in a file

4. transfer the file to a database (webERP)


Thank you very much!

Bogdan


AESE wrote:

> uhmm, I was thinking more in a collaborative groupware tool and a company
> archive than a user's folder. I was more concerned in permissions than
> space, indeed, space is what I have a lot and just thought to give it some
> use. Even a 36GB SAS drive has lot of space for the matter. For
> compatibility with older systems that are going to upgrade webERP not
> upgrading hardware, a config parameter would do. Let me do an early
> calculation of the space required, let's take 100KB each pdf document, then
> we get 10000 documents per GB, could it be?
>
> Thanks,
> javier
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tim Schofield" <tim.schofield1960@...>
> To: "webERP Developers" <web-erp-developers@...>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 4:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [WebERP-developers] PDF Documents Management
>
>
>  
>> A long time ago soon after I got involved in webERP it occurred to me
>> that a nice feature would be a "spool queue" where created documents
>> could be kept on the server and then reprinted. This could have a size
>> limit put on it, and it could even be on a by user basis. When the
>> user was reaching their limit documents would have to be deleted to
>> make way for new ones.
>>
>> Tim
>>
>>
>> 2009/11/2 Bogdan Stanciu <bogdanovidiu.stanciu@...>:
>>    
>>> Funny enough, i am giving a thought on the subject right now:-))
>>>
>>> i really think that this is useful but missing :-)
>>>
>>> in any case we should start with the scripts which create pdfs, as names
>>> like "invoice.pdf" is not something we can use in the long run.
>>>
>>> As for the naming, i see two main roads:
>>> 1. a unique name, unreadable, like awoeir34rjfwe.pdf, which can be
>>> solved only by the DMS (there are actually a few OS DMS out there...)
>>> 2. a more readable name, like [date][docType][transNo].pdf or whatever.
>>> we could even make some config fields for this, so each company could
>>> set its naming convention.
>>>
>>> just some fresh, out of the box :-) ideas.
>>>
>>> cheers,
>>> bogdan
>>>
>>>
>>> AESE wrote:
>>>      
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I don't know if WebERP invoices are made with ReportWriter or any else
>>>> and not sure if invoices are saved in the server, but I think so.
>>>> Maybe we could approach a sort of Document Management saving all the
>>>> pdfs in the server and providing something like a Document Browser or
>>>> the like.
>>>>
>>>> Could it be? Is it done already? If I'm right and invoices are saved
>>>> at the server, what method is used by the others users to view them?
>>>>
>>>> Maybe the word Management implies to go further. I mean a simple
>>>> interface.
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Re: PDF Documents Management

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Yes I too like the idea of a spool queue - I have worked with a system
which had such a thing - although it did build up - the spooler reports
were just text files too so quite a bit smaller. Maybe some automated
purging based on age - unless specifically flagged as a keeper.



AESE, S.L., Javier de Lorenzo-Cáceres. wrote:

> uhmm, I was thinking more in a collaborative groupware tool and a company
> archive than a user's folder. I was more concerned in permissions than
> space, indeed, space is what I have a lot and just thought to give it some
> use. Even a 36GB SAS drive has lot of space for the matter. For
> compatibility with older systems that are going to upgrade webERP not
> upgrading hardware, a config parameter would do. Let me do an early
> calculation of the space required, let's take 100KB each pdf document, then
> we get 10000 documents per GB, could it be?
>
> Thanks,
> javier
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tim Schofield" <tim.schofield1960@...>
> To: "webERP Developers" <web-erp-developers@...>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 4:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [WebERP-developers] PDF Documents Management
>
>
>> A long time ago soon after I got involved in webERP it occurred to me
>> that a nice feature would be a "spool queue" where created documents
>> could be kept on the server and then reprinted. This could have a size
>> limit put on it, and it could even be on a by user basis. When the
>> user was reaching their limit documents would have to be deleted to
>> make way for new ones.
>>
>> Tim
>>
>>
>> 2009/11/2 Bogdan Stanciu <bogdanovidiu.stanciu@...>:
>>> Funny enough, i am giving a thought on the subject right now:-))
>>>
>>> i really think that this is useful but missing :-)
>>>
>>> in any case we should start with the scripts which create pdfs, as names
>>> like "invoice.pdf" is not something we can use in the long run.
>>>
>>> As for the naming, i see two main roads:
>>> 1. a unique name, unreadable, like awoeir34rjfwe.pdf, which can be
>>> solved only by the DMS (there are actually a few OS DMS out there...)
>>> 2. a more readable name, like [date][docType][transNo].pdf or whatever.
>>> we could even make some config fields for this, so each company could
>>> set its naming convention.
>>>
>>> just some fresh, out of the box :-) ideas.
>>>
>>> cheers,
>>> bogdan
>>>
>>>
>>> AESE wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I don't know if WebERP invoices are made with ReportWriter or any else
>>>> and not sure if invoices are saved in the server, but I think so.
>>>> Maybe we could approach a sort of Document Management saving all the
>>>> pdfs in the server and providing something like a Document Browser or
>>>> the like.
>>>>
>>>> Could it be? Is it done already? If I'm right and invoices are saved
>>>> at the server, what method is used by the others users to view them?
>>>>
>>>> Maybe the word Management implies to go further. I mean a simple
>>>> interface.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> javier
>>>>
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