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Re: 2 days to go until end-of-year party!

2009-11-25T21:17:00Z

On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 04:28:09AM +0000, Chris McCormick wrote:
> a couple of us are meeting at Fibber McGee's tommorrow (Thursday) night at
> 7:30pm to chat about the project.

Sorry to spam this thread. We decided to just meet at Let's Make Games instead.
See you all there!

Chris.

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Videos from Freeplay

2009-11-24T21:04:31Z

Hi All,

Here are some videos of the sessions from the Freeplay independent games
festival:

<http://www.freeplay.net.au/2009/11/sessions-available-on-youtube/>

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Re: 2 days to go until end-of-year party!

2009-11-24T20:29:06Z

Nice, that I'm looking forward to.

-Joel

andyhawkins@... wrote:

> Did I RSVP? I will be coming. Everyone will get to see the new
> features added to Surf Prodigy!
>
>
>
> On Wed Nov 25 11:50 , nick@... sent:
>
> Just a reminder that iParty 2.0 is this Friday (27 November) and you are
> all invited!
>
> For more details see these posts over on the Let's Make Games website:
>
> - http://letsmakegames.org/2009/11/25/2-days-to-go/
> <parse.pl?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fletsmakegames.org%2F2009%2F11%2F25%2F2-days-to-go%2F>
> - http://letsmakegames.org/2009/11/23/are-you-ready-for-iparty-2-0/
> <parse.pl?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fletsmakegames.org%2F2009%2F11%2F23%2Fare-you-ready-for-iparty-2-0%2F>
>
> Are you attending? What are you hoping to show or see? Reply to this
> thread! A little nervous about coming by yourself? Bring a friend!
>
> Hope to see you on Friday!
>
> - Nick
>
> Thanks to everyone who volunteered to help out on the night, and a
> massive
> thanks to our sponsors (Different Methods, Innovation Centre, Subversive
> Games, Rockethands, Black Lab, and Reveries).
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Re: 2 days to go until end-of-year party!

2009-11-24T20:28:09Z

Hi Nick!

I am excited. I will probably bring a laptop with the latest alpha of Infinite
8-Bit Platformer on it.

If anyone is interested, I've now made the project Free Software, and a couple
of us are meeting at Fibber McGee's tommorrow (Thursday) night at 7:30pm to
chat about the project. If you're interested in it, please feel free to come
along and bring laptops if you want me to set up the dev environment for you.
<http://infiniteplatformer.com/>

Looking forward to seeing you all on Friday!

Chris.

On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 07:50:12PM -0800, nick@... wrote:

> Just a reminder that iParty 2.0 is this Friday (27 November) and you are
> all invited!
>
> For more details see these posts over on the Let's Make Games website:
>
> - http://letsmakegames.org/2009/11/25/2-days-to-go/
> - http://letsmakegames.org/2009/11/23/are-you-ready-for-iparty-2-0/
>
> Are you attending? What are you hoping to show or see? Reply to this
> thread! A little nervous about coming by yourself? Bring a friend!
>
> Hope to see you on Friday!
>
> - Nick
>
> Thanks to everyone who volunteered to help out on the night, and a massive
> thanks to our sponsors (Different Methods, Innovation Centre, Subversive
> Games, Rockethands, Black Lab, and Reveries).
>
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Re: 2 days to go until end-of-year party!

2009-11-24T19:55:16Z

Did I RSVP? I will be coming. Everyone will get to see the new features added to Surf Prodigy!

On Wed Nov 25 11:50 , nick@... sent:

Just a reminder that iParty 2.0 is this Friday (27 November) and you are
all invited!

For more details see these posts over on the Let's Make Games website:

- http://letsmakegames.org/2009/11/25/2-days-to-go/
- http://letsmakegames.org/2009/11/23/are-you-ready-for-iparty-2-0/

Are you attending? What are you hoping to show or see? Reply to this
thread! A little nervous about coming by yourself? Bring a friend!

Hope to see you on Friday!

- Nick

Thanks to everyone who volunteered to help out on the night, and a massive
thanks to our sponsors (Different Methods, Innovation Centre, Subversive
Games, Rockethands, Black Lab, and Reveries).

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2 days to go until end-of-year party!

2009-11-24T19:50:12Z

Just a reminder that iParty 2.0 is this Friday (27 November) and you are
all invited!

For more details see these posts over on the Let's Make Games website:

- http://letsmakegames.org/2009/11/25/2-days-to-go/
- http://letsmakegames.org/2009/11/23/are-you-ready-for-iparty-2-0/

Are you attending? What are you hoping to show or see? Reply to this
thread! A little nervous about coming by yourself? Bring a friend!

Hope to see you on Friday!

- Nick

Thanks to everyone who volunteered to help out on the night, and a massive
thanks to our sponsors (Different Methods, Innovation Centre, Subversive
Games, Rockethands, Black Lab, and Reveries).

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Re: Studio space opportunities - eoi

2009-11-23T19:16:08Z

Not too late:
email laurensforeman@... for more info!

Lauren is currently finalising the details on the space and arranging a viewing time for all who have expressed interest.

Cheers

On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 10:50 AM, Nick Lowe <gamefreedom@...> wrote:

Surprised nobody responded to this given the chatter recently
regarding shared space...

- Nick

On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 11:32 PM, brendan ninness
<memoriesofnam@...> wrote:
> Hey all,
>
> wanted to put this out to the PIGMI crew as I thought it may be a great
> opportunity for a game dev group to get going, or web, multimedia, etc.
>
> Cheers
>
> Brendan
>
> EXPRESSIONS OF INTEREST SOUGHT
>
> Expressions of interest are sought from emerging professional creatives and
> designers to be a part of a newly developed creative hub/commercial studio
> space in Mount Lawley – available EARLY DECEMBER. Space available includes
> singular desk space (approximately four desks available) in addition to
> three fully lockable studios (available – ranging from 14.9 to 15.4 sqm).
> Studio space includes two communal bathrooms, one communal kitchen and
> tearoom as well as an open area perfect for gallery space or venue hire/art
> classes (The opportunities are endless!).
>
> Costs as a rough estimate at this stage would range from $40 a week (for a
> desk) to $150 a week for a private lockable studio space (inclusive of naked
> ADSL and all utilities).
>
> This studio space will provide the perfect opportunity for emerging
> creatives to take the plunge into catapulting their freelance work into the
> next level. It is envisaged that this hub would become an established,
> recognizable, fully branded and marketed collective of creative
> professionals working alongside each other.
>
> Who are we?
>
> FORKS OPEN DOORS: Brendan Ninness – Illustrator, Designer; Otilee – Art
> Director, Photographer, Designer, Stylist
>
> LAUREN FOREMAN: Lauren Foreman – Arts Management consultant, Artist
> representation
>
> Who are you?
>
> We are looking for creative professionals and groups who are serious about
> making a living from their creative practice. Artists/Creatives from any
> field are welcome to express interest. Complementary fields this space may
> suit include; web designers/developers; fashion designers; graphic
> designers; animators and filmmakers; architects etc.
>
> Please send your expressions of interest as soon as possible to;
> Brendan@... including a short description of what you do and
> a bit about yourself.
>
> www.forksopendoors.com
>
> www.otilee.com
>
> www.brendan-ninness.com
>
>

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Re: Studio space opportunities - eoi

2009-11-23T17:50:12Z

Surprised nobody responded to this given the chatter recently
regarding shared space...

- Nick

On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 11:32 PM, brendan ninness
<memoriesofnam@...> wrote:

> Hey all,
>
> wanted to put this out to the PIGMI crew as I thought it may be a great
> opportunity for a game dev group to get going, or web, multimedia, etc.
>
> Cheers
>
> Brendan
>
> EXPRESSIONS OF INTEREST SOUGHT
>
> Expressions of interest are sought from emerging professional creatives and
> designers to be a part of a newly developed creative hub/commercial studio
> space in Mount Lawley – available EARLY DECEMBER. Space available includes
> singular desk space (approximately four desks available) in addition to
> three fully lockable studios (available – ranging from 14.9 to 15.4 sqm).
> Studio space includes two communal bathrooms, one communal kitchen and
> tearoom as well as an open area perfect for gallery space or venue hire/art
> classes (The opportunities are endless!).
>
> Costs as a rough estimate at this stage would range from $40 a week (for a
> desk) to $150 a week for a private lockable studio space (inclusive of naked
> ADSL and all utilities).
>
> This studio space will provide the perfect opportunity for emerging
> creatives to take the plunge into catapulting their freelance work into the
> next level. It is envisaged that this hub would become an established,
> recognizable, fully branded and marketed collective of creative
> professionals working alongside each other.
>
> Who are we?
>
> FORKS OPEN DOORS: Brendan Ninness – Illustrator, Designer; Otilee – Art
> Director, Photographer, Designer, Stylist
>
> LAUREN FOREMAN: Lauren Foreman – Arts Management consultant, Artist
> representation
>
> Who are you?
>
> We are looking for creative professionals and groups who are serious about
> making a living from their creative practice. Artists/Creatives from any
> field are welcome to express interest. Complementary fields this space may
> suit include; web designers/developers; fashion designers; graphic
> designers; animators and filmmakers; architects etc.
>
> Please send your expressions of interest as soon as possible to;
> Brendan@... including a short description of what you do and
> a bit about yourself.
>
> www.forksopendoors.com
>
> www.otilee.com
>
> www.brendan-ninness.com
>
>

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Re: Geek lounge

2009-11-23T17:45:03Z

Hi *,

I've been without internet access for most the last two weeks - so
this massive thread has been an interesting all-at-once read. ;)

It's great that there is so much enthusiasm for a shared space. I'm
sure that iterating on a few ideas (and implementations!) will result
in more options and facilities for Perth game developers. I can help
with a survey in the new year (but I'm pretty flat-out until then).

Being pragmatic about how long it will take before there is a shared
space, I'd imagine that it would take around 9-12 months: 6 months of
meetings in other venues (to ascertain participation) and to reach
consensus on what to do; and then a further 3-6 months to set it all
up.

I'd expect that the biggest hurdles will be:

1. Participation: This will require a sustained level of attendance,
utilisation, volunteering, and (importantly) financial investment
2. Governance/Management: There will be a lot of work to do, requiring
firm commitment from a dedicated management team

In regards to participation, attendance can be pretty hit-or-miss for
events - usually because other things in life take priority (which is
completely understandable). At Let's Make Games, we changed from
fortnightly casual meet-ups to monthly (and soon quarterly) events
simply because the "market" wasn't really there for regular meet-ups
(at least not enough to justify the substantial unpaid volunteer
work), but people seemed to dig the big events. Speaking of
attendance... has everyone RSVP'd for iParty 2.0? ;)

Another concern is that people are understandably keen to participate
when things are free, but costs are often a blocking factor. If
heading straight for a shared space, membership fees would have to be
rather substantial (probably more than $100 per month) in the
short-term in order to cover costs (prior to sponsorship, more
members, etc.). So some fund-raising in the 6 months prior would be
prudent - to see how willing people are to commit funds, and also to
cover start-up costs.

On to governance and management. I feel that this area is often
overlooked - sometimes because nobody wants to be seen as unfair,
unequal, or as some sort of dictator. There may be some concern about
such a venue being a "Let's Make Games" or "IGDA" space - but I don't
see anything wrong with that if a particular group is putting in the
work and assuming responsibility. I'd also factor in costs for
services above just rent and internet access. If the venue does see a
lot of interest (to justify growth), it may need to hire some
contractors (cleaners), part-time (accountants), and later full-time
(administrator) staff.

As Jon, Ellen, and Paul mentioned - regular meetings at an established
venue (such as a cafe) would be a good exercise in the short-term. If
a cafe is too casual (ie. not conducive to "real work"), I'm sure that
the Uni's or eCentral TAFE may be able to make some tutorial rooms
available (LMGs can follow this up) - if costs are involved, that may
be a good way to see how much people value this facility.
Pay-what-you-can-slash-want donations may also provide some insight
and aid in fund-raising for a future venue.

I guess the bottom line is that it _feels_ like the scene is ready for
a regular haunt (or at least it will be ready sometime next year), and
whatever form that ends up taking will depend on a whole bunch of
factors. No doubt we'll have fun working it all out in the mean-time!
;)

Regards,

- Nick

Let's Make Games
OneTwenty
Onbeco

On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 5:28 PM, David Cake <dave@...> wrote:

> Sorry about delaying my reply to peoples comments on this thread.
> Been busy for a few days.
>
> Some people have asked about visiting the Artifactory. Tuesdays and
> Wednesdays are usually good days. We usually have a meeting of some kind on
> Tuesdays, and people are usually hanging around before and after socialising
> and working on various projects. Normally, I'd say the best option for
> getting a look at the place is to turn up on Tuesday at about 6-7 or so.
> Wednesdays are another good day, there are several project groups that get
> together on a Wednesday
> Unfortunately, Tuesday this week I'll be going to an information
> evening about Arts grants elsewhere, so I won't be there until shortly
> before our proper meeting starts at 8pm, so I won't really be available to
> show people around the venue this week. But other people might be, if people
> would like to come in then. Or Wednesday, I will be able to turn up fairly
> early in the evening to meet anyone who is interested.
> But in any case, if there are a few people who would like to check
> out the space, we could certainly arrange for someone to be there at most
> times.
> Our rules basically say that one key-bearing member should be there
> whenever it is open, but that they are able to host meetings there if they
> want (for suggested donations, or similar). Varying arrangements for using
> various bits of equipment - some requires safety briefings etc - but just
> hanging out in the space is fine.
> We'd be happy to hang out in the space and talk coding and other
> geeky topics, but we don't have wifi/internet on yet, something we hope to
> remedy soon.
>
> We are located at 17 Burt St, Mount Lawley (just off Norfolk St), but
> we are behind the house there, you there is a warehouse back from the street
> (we are the middle part of the warehouse).
>
> Anyone have any other questions about either the Artifactory itself,
> or the process involved in setting it up?
>
> Cheers
> David
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Re: Geek lounge

2009-11-23T01:28:05Z

Sorry about delaying my reply to peoples comments on this
thread. Been busy for a few days.

Some people have asked about visiting the Artifactory.
Tuesdays and Wednesdays are usually good days. We usually have a
meeting of some kind on Tuesdays, and people are usually hanging
around before and after socialising and working on various projects.
Normally, I'd say the best option for getting a look at the place is
to turn up on Tuesday at about 6-7 or so. Wednesdays are another good
day, there are several project groups that get together on a Wednesday
Unfortunately, Tuesday this week I'll be going to an
information evening about Arts grants elsewhere, so I won't be there
until shortly before our proper meeting starts at 8pm, so I won't
really be available to show people around the venue this week. But
other people might be, if people would like to come in then. Or
Wednesday, I will be able to turn up fairly early in the evening to
meet anyone who is interested.
But in any case, if there are a few people who would like to
check out the space, we could certainly arrange for someone to be
there at most times.
Our rules basically say that one key-bearing member should be
there whenever it is open, but that they are able to host meetings
there if they want (for suggested donations, or similar). Varying
arrangements for using various bits of equipment - some requires
safety briefings etc - but just hanging out in the space is fine.
We'd be happy to hang out in the space and talk coding and
other geeky topics, but we don't have wifi/internet on yet, something
we hope to remedy soon.

We are located at 17 Burt St, Mount Lawley (just off Norfolk
St), but we are behind the house there, you there is a warehouse back
from the street (we are the middle part of the warehouse).

Anyone have any other questions about either the Artifactory
itself, or the process involved in setting it up?

Cheers
David

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RE: Geek lounge

2009-11-21T08:24:46Z

North of the river here, (Inglewood) and I'm all ups for this.
particularly the hack space! I've a few chips to throw
in too. nice

Ro

> Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 05:51:31 +0000
> From: chris@...
> To: pigmi@...
> Subject: [PIGMI] Geek lounge
>
> Hey All,
>
> Simon and I were just shooting the breeze and he came up with this great idea
> of a "Geek lounge". Somewhere that people like Perth game makers could hang out
> and hack, drink coffee, and get free wifi. What do you reckon? Now that I'm
> working from home it would be great to get that kind of social contact with
> other developers/hackers/artists occasionally, and I would be prepared to chip
> in a bit to make this happen. I am thinking somewhere close to a freeway exit
> for quick access.
>
> Just thinking out loud at the moment.
>
> Chris.
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RE: Geek lounge

2009-11-19T01:11:06Z

This sounds like a really cool idea. I live south of the River but work in Osborne Park.

From: sls@...
To: pigmi@...
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 13:25:22 +0800
Subject: RE: [PIGMI] Geek lounge

Welcome John and Felix.

I'm north. Just wanted to counter-balance the south guys :)

From: Felix Wai [mailto:felix.kinonwai83@...]
Sent: Thursday, 19 November 2009 12:57 PM
To: pigmi@...
Subject: Re: [PIGMI] Geek lounge

I live pretty much next to Murdoch university. I am also pretty excited to see where this plan is headed.

Also, long time lurker, first time emailer.

On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 12:46 PM, John Chillemi <john.chillemi@...> wrote:

I am super-south (Oakford), something near the city, or at least near train access would be the go, I think.

Can I say I usually just lurk the pigmi list, but I am super-pumped about this, it seems like an excellent idea, if tricky to pull off.

2009/11/19 Andy Hawkins <andyhawkins@...>

I'm in the south. I think a place near the city would work.

Just in regards to the question about north and south, which only Simon answered- I'm in the north. Would anyone else like to comment about where they are? I like the idea of dropping by a place now and then, but I get the feeling most guys are south, so 'dropping by' would be more like 'mission' ;)

-Joel

Andy Hawkins wrote:

The reminds me of the days of finding a venue to play DnD on the weekends. We used to hire a scout hall. There must be plenty of places like that are not regularly used that would have cheap rent and ample space.

Very interesting idea. Like Chris (hi chris, welcome back!!), I can understand wanting to be able to interact with other people during the day, even if you aren't working with them on the same project.

I think a governing body of some sort would be pretty important. The Club fee thing sounds like a good idea. Colonising an existing cafe could work, but cafe furniture is not really conducive to extended development sessions, and it might be hard work if you have more than just a laptop.
The idea of being able to meet other people to collaborate with it is interesting too. So, like Andy says, making it accessable to non-programmers who have an interest in game development is something that would be important.

L8r, Paul

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To: pigmi@...
Subject: Re: [PIGMI] Geek lounge

Sounds good to me, but I was thinking forward on those weeks when no-one came in and costs would be running up. What we do about that?

I think a club fee would be cool, but consider this...

My best buddy at Leederville TAFE does Music Industry skills and those guys would probably love to have a club like this to hang out, as would film students. I think we could probably fill the club space quite well with more than just computer geeks, and we need musos and film students to make games anyway.
I think this would be an awesome community and a great way to get projects up and running. Heck even if I was just working on my own thing, I'd just grab my lappy and come down to hang out with everyone else just to be part of the community.
Let's get it happening.

Andy H.

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Re: Geek lounge

2009-11-18T23:59:03Z

Awezome idea John. Should be possible on google maps I believe to pinpoint people as well.

Wez

ps I loved the probably-for-identity-theft poll :) But I know you so hopefully I could buy my identity back at 'mates rates'

I'm willing to take a crack at writing this up tonight; But I figure perhaps Nick or someone from Let'sMakeGames, who's ran multiple surveys before might have superior skills for this? (Not to mention having more brand power than some random dude like me setting up his mystery probably-for-identity-theft poll)

2009/11/19 Wesley Lamont <pigmi@...>
I'm also a lurker but I'm slightly East so I'm all good either way.

Seems like we have many decent ideas on locations thus far just need to work out the most viable based on the logistics of the people involved here.

Wez

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Re: Geek lounge

2009-11-18T23:00:54Z

Great idea.

-Joel

John Chillemi wrote:

> Hey not sure if I'm being overly statistical here, but I'm guessing it
> might be worthwhile to put up a short poll on the subject, so we can
> collate everyone's opinions?
>
> Just asking like, post code, how often they think they'd use the
> facilities, how much, if anything they'd be willing to pay per month, etc.
>
> I'm willing to take a crack at writing this up tonight; But I figure
> perhaps Nick or someone from Let'sMakeGames, who's ran multiple surveys
> before might have superior skills for this? (Not to mention having more
> brand power than some random dude like me setting up his mystery
> probably-for-identity-theft poll)
>
>
> 2009/11/19 Wesley Lamont <pigmi@... <mailto:pigmi@...>>
>
> I'm also a lurker but I'm slightly East so I'm all good either way.
>
> Seems like we have many decent ideas on locations thus far just need
> to work out the most viable based on the logistics of the people
> involved here.
>
> Wez
>
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Re: Geek lounge

2009-11-18T22:53:57Z

Hey not sure if I'm being overly statistical here, but I'm guessing it might be worthwhile to put up a short poll on the subject, so we can collate everyone's opinions?

Just asking like, post code, how often they think they'd use the facilities, how much, if anything they'd be willing to pay per month, etc.

I'm willing to take a crack at writing this up tonight; But I figure perhaps Nick or someone from Let'sMakeGames, who's ran multiple surveys before might have superior skills for this? (Not to mention having more brand power than some random dude like me setting up his mystery probably-for-identity-theft poll)

2009/11/19 Wesley Lamont <pigmi@...>

I'm also a lurker but I'm slightly East so I'm all good either way.

Seems like we have many decent ideas on locations thus far just need to work out the most viable based on the logistics of the people involved here.

Wez

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Re: Geek lounge

2009-11-18T22:15:32Z

I'm also a lurker but I'm slightly East so I'm all good either way.

Seems like we have many decent ideas on locations thus far just need
to work out the most viable based on the logistics of the people
involved here.

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Re: Geek lounge

2009-11-18T21:56:48Z

Heck if we had everyone coming down all the time, I'd settle for a crate
and haybail to work on :)

Andy H.

> I'm North and I can see why John would like the idea of a town based location ;)
>
> Well here's a idea, if the artifactory has some space (read- tables & chairs) and
> David needs some more people, why don't we combine the idea of regular times and a
> external venue? The hackerspace gets some more funds, we trial out the idea pretty
> much risk free and we get the colloboration we're all looking for? We can look at
> upgrading the idea later!
>
> Jon
>
> On Thu Nov 19 13:41 , Chris Kruger <chris.kruger@...> sent:
>
>
>> I'm South of the River Freo, but Perth city and surrounds works.
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 1:25 PM, Paul Turbett sls@...> wrote:
>>
>>> Welcome John and Felix.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm north. Just wanted to counter-balance the south guys :)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Felix Wai
>>>
> [felix.kinonwai83@...','','','')">felix.kinonwai83@...]
>
>>> Sent: Thursday, 19 November 2009 12:57 PM
>>>
>>> To: pigmi@...
>>> Subject: Re: [PIGMI] Geek lounge
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I live pretty much next to Murdoch university. I am also pretty excited to
>>> see where this plan is headed.
>>>
>>> Also, long time lurker, first time emailer.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 12:46 PM, John Chillemi john.chillemi@...>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I am super-south (Oakford), something near the city, or at least near train
>>> access would be the go, I think.
>>>
>>> Can I say I usually just lurk the pigmi list, but I am super-pumped about
>>> this, it seems like an excellent idea, if tricky to pull off.
>>>
>>> 2009/11/19 Andy Hawkins andyhawkins@...>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm in the south. I think a place near the city would work.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Just in regards to the question about north and south, which only Simon
>>> answered- I'm in the north. Would anyone else like to comment about where
>>> they are? I like the idea of dropping by a place now and then, but I get the
>>> feeling most guys are south, so 'dropping by' would be more like 'mission'
>>> ;)
>>>
>>> -Joel
>>>
>>>
>>> Andy Hawkins wrote:
>>>
>>> The reminds me of the days of finding a venue to play DnD on the weekends.
>>> We used to hire a scout hall. There must be plenty of places like that are
>>> not regularly used that would have cheap rent and ample space.
>>>
>>> Very interesting idea. Like Chris (hi chris, welcome back!!), I can
>>> understand wanting to be able to interact with other people during the day,
>>> even if you aren't working with them on the same project.
>>>
>>> I think a governing body of some sort would be pretty important. The Club
>>> fee thing sounds like a good idea. Colonising an existing cafe could work,
>>> but cafe furniture is not really conducive to extended development sessions,
>>> and it might be hard work if you have more than just a laptop.
>>> The idea of being able to meet other people to collaborate with it is
>>> interesting too. So, like Andy says, making it accessable to non-programmers
>>> who have an interest in game development is something that would be
>>> important.
>>>
>>> L8r, Paul
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Andy Hawkins
>>>
> [andyhawkins@...','','','')">andyhawkins@...] Sent: Thursday,
> 19
>
>>> November 2009 7:33 AM
>>> To: pigmi@...
>>> Subject: Re: [PIGMI] Geek lounge
>>>
>>> Sounds good to me, but I was thinking forward on those weeks when no-one
>>> came in and costs would be running up. What we do about that?
>>>
>>> I think a club fee would be cool, but consider this...
>>>
>>> My best buddy at Leederville TAFE does Music Industry skills and those guys
>>> would probably love to have a club like this to hang out, as would film
>>> students. I think we could probably fill the club space quite well with
>>> more than just computer geeks, and we need musos and film students to make
>>> games anyway.
>>> I think this would be an awesome community and a great way to get projects
>>> up and running. Heck even if I was just working on my own thing, I'd just
>>> grab my lappy and come down to hang out with everyone else just to be part
>>> of the community.
>>> Let's get it happening.
>>>
>>> Andy H.
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Re: Geek lounge

2009-11-18T21:51:49Z

Living far north and working far south, but would definitely prefer
central or north.. Although i'd only be a drop in as well. Sounds like
a wonderful idea! :)

Cheers,
Avril.

On 19/11/2009, at 12:37 PM, Joel Blackwell <joel@...>
wrote:

> Just in regards to the question about north and south, which only
> Simon answered- I'm in the north. Would anyone else like to comment
> about where they are? I like the idea of dropping by a place now and
> then, but I get the feeling most guys are south, so 'dropping by'
> would be more like 'mission' ;)
>
> -Joel
>
>
> Andy Hawkins wrote:
>> The reminds me of the days of finding a venue to play DnD on the
>> weekends. We used to hire a scout hall. There must be plenty of
>> places like that are not regularly used that would have cheap rent
>> and ample space.
>>> Very interesting idea. Like Chris (hi chris, welcome back!!), I
>>> can understand wanting to be able to interact with other people
>>> during the day, even if you aren't working with them on the same
>>> project.
>>>
>>> I think a governing body of some sort would be pretty important.
>>> The Club fee thing sounds like a good idea. Colonising an existing
>>> cafe could work, but cafe furniture is not really conducive to
>>> extended development sessions, and it might be hard work if you
>>> have more than just a laptop.
>>> The idea of being able to meet other people to collaborate with it
>>> is interesting too. So, like Andy says, making it accessable to
>>> non-programmers who have an interest in game development is
>>> something that would be important.
>>>
>>> L8r, Paul
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Andy Hawkins [mailto:andyhawkins@...] Sent:
>>> Thursday, 19 November 2009 7:33 AM
>>> To: pigmi@...
>>> Subject: Re: [PIGMI] Geek lounge
>>>
>>> Sounds good to me, but I was thinking forward on those weeks when
>>> no-one came in and costs would be running up. What we do about
>>> that?
>>>
>>> I think a club fee would be cool, but consider this...
>>>
>>> My best buddy at Leederville TAFE does Music Industry skills and
>>> those guys would probably love to have a club like this to hang
>>> out, as would film students. I think we could probably fill the
>>> club space quite well with more than just computer geeks, and we
>>> need musos and film students to make games anyway.
>>> I think this would be an awesome community and a great way to get
>>> projects up and running. Heck even if I was just working on my
>>> own thing, I'd just grab my lappy and come down to hang out with
>>> everyone else just to be part of the community.
>>> Let's get it happening.
>>>
>>> Andy H.
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Re: Geek lounge

2009-11-18T21:46:11Z

I'm North and I can see why John would like the idea of a town based location ;)

Well here's a idea, if the artifactory has some space (read- tables & chairs) and
David needs some more people, why don't we combine the idea of regular times and a
external venue? The hackerspace gets some more funds, we trial out the idea pretty
much risk free and we get the colloboration we're all looking for? We can look at
upgrading the idea later!

Jon

On Thu Nov 19 13:41 , Chris Kruger <chris.kruger@...> sent:

>I'm South of the River Freo, but Perth city and surrounds works.
>
>On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 1:25 PM, Paul Turbett sls@...> wrote:
>> Welcome John and Felix.
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm north. Just wanted to counter-balance the south guys :)
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Felix Wai

[felix.kinonwai83@...','','','')">felix.kinonwai83@...]

>> Sent: Thursday, 19 November 2009 12:57 PM
>>
>> To: pigmi@...
>> Subject: Re: [PIGMI] Geek lounge
>>
>>
>>
>> I live pretty much next to Murdoch university. I am also pretty excited to
>> see where this plan is headed.
>>
>> Also, long time lurker, first time emailer.
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 12:46 PM, John Chillemi john.chillemi@...>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I am super-south (Oakford), something near the city, or at least near train
>> access would be the go, I think.
>>
>> Can I say I usually just lurk the pigmi list, but I am super-pumped about
>> this, it seems like an excellent idea, if tricky to pull off.
>>
>> 2009/11/19 Andy Hawkins andyhawkins@...>
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm in the south. I think a place near the city would work.
>>
>>
>>
>> Just in regards to the question about north and south, which only Simon
>> answered- I'm in the north. Would anyone else like to comment about where
>> they are? I like the idea of dropping by a place now and then, but I get the
>> feeling most guys are south, so 'dropping by' would be more like 'mission'
>> ;)
>>
>> -Joel
>>
>>
>> Andy Hawkins wrote:
>>
>> The reminds me of the days of finding a venue to play DnD on the weekends.
>> We used to hire a scout hall. There must be plenty of places like that are
>> not regularly used that would have cheap rent and ample space.
>>
>> Very interesting idea. Like Chris (hi chris, welcome back!!), I can
>> understand wanting to be able to interact with other people during the day,
>> even if you aren't working with them on the same project.
>>
>> I think a governing body of some sort would be pretty important. The Club
>> fee thing sounds like a good idea. Colonising an existing cafe could work,
>> but cafe furniture is not really conducive to extended development sessions,
>> and it might be hard work if you have more than just a laptop.
>> The idea of being able to meet other people to collaborate with it is
>> interesting too. So, like Andy says, making it accessable to non-programmers
>> who have an interest in game development is something that would be
>> important.
>>
>> L8r, Paul
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Andy Hawkins

[andyhawkins@...','','','')">andyhawkins@...] Sent: Thursday,
19

>> November 2009 7:33 AM
>> To: pigmi@...
>> Subject: Re: [PIGMI] Geek lounge
>>
>> Sounds good to me, but I was thinking forward on those weeks when no-one
>> came in and costs would be running up. What we do about that?
>>
>> I think a club fee would be cool, but consider this...
>>
>> My best buddy at Leederville TAFE does Music Industry skills and those guys
>> would probably love to have a club like this to hang out, as would film
>> students. I think we could probably fill the club space quite well with
>> more than just computer geeks, and we need musos and film students to make
>> games anyway.
>> I think this would be an awesome community and a great way to get projects
>> up and running. Heck even if I was just working on my own thing, I'd just
>> grab my lappy and come down to hang out with everyone else just to be part
>> of the community.
>> Let's get it happening.
>>
>> Andy H.
>>
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Re: Geek lounge

2009-11-18T21:41:26Z

I'm South of the River Freo, but Perth city and surrounds works.

On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 1:25 PM, Paul Turbett <sls@...> wrote:

> Welcome John and Felix.
>
>
>
> I'm north. Just wanted to counter-balance the south guys :)
>
>
>
> From: Felix Wai [mailto:felix.kinonwai83@...]
> Sent: Thursday, 19 November 2009 12:57 PM
>
> To: pigmi@...
> Subject: Re: [PIGMI] Geek lounge
>
>
>
> I live pretty much next to Murdoch university. I am also pretty excited to
> see where this plan is headed.
>
> Also, long time lurker, first time emailer.
>
> On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 12:46 PM, John Chillemi <john.chillemi@...>
> wrote:
>
> I am super-south (Oakford), something near the city, or at least near train
> access would be the go, I think.
>
> Can I say I usually just lurk the pigmi list, but I am super-pumped about
> this, it seems like an excellent idea, if tricky to pull off.
>
> 2009/11/19 Andy Hawkins <andyhawkins@...>
>
>
>
> I'm in the south. I think a place near the city would work.
>
>
>
> Just in regards to the question about north and south, which only Simon
> answered- I'm in the north. Would anyone else like to comment about where
> they are? I like the idea of dropping by a place now and then, but I get the
> feeling most guys are south, so 'dropping by' would be more like 'mission'
> ;)
>
> -Joel
>
>
> Andy Hawkins wrote:
>
> The reminds me of the days of finding a venue to play DnD on the weekends.
> We used to hire a scout hall. There must be plenty of places like that are
> not regularly used that would have cheap rent and ample space.
>
> Very interesting idea. Like Chris (hi chris, welcome back!!), I can
> understand wanting to be able to interact with other people during the day,
> even if you aren't working with them on the same project.
>
> I think a governing body of some sort would be pretty important. The Club
> fee thing sounds like a good idea. Colonising an existing cafe could work,
> but cafe furniture is not really conducive to extended development sessions,
> and it might be hard work if you have more than just a laptop.
> The idea of being able to meet other people to collaborate with it is
> interesting too. So, like Andy says, making it accessable to non-programmers
> who have an interest in game development is something that would be
> important.
>
> L8r, Paul
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andy Hawkins [mailto:andyhawkins@...] Sent: Thursday, 19
> November 2009 7:33 AM
> To: pigmi@...
> Subject: Re: [PIGMI] Geek lounge
>
> Sounds good to me, but I was thinking forward on those weeks when no-one
> came in and costs would be running up. What we do about that?
>
> I think a club fee would be cool, but consider this...
>
> My best buddy at Leederville TAFE does Music Industry skills and those guys
> would probably love to have a club like this to hang out, as would film
> students. I think we could probably fill the club space quite well with
> more than just computer geeks, and we need musos and film students to make
> games anyway.
> I think this would be an awesome community and a great way to get projects
> up and running. Heck even if I was just working on my own thing, I'd just
> grab my lappy and come down to hang out with everyone else just to be part
> of the community.
> Let's get it happening.
>
> Andy H.
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RE: Geek lounge

2009-11-18T21:25:22Z

Welcome John and Felix.

I'm north. Just wanted to counter-balance the south guys :)

From: Felix Wai [mailto:felix.kinonwai83@...]
Sent: Thursday, 19 November 2009 12:57 PM
To: pigmi@...
Subject: Re: [PIGMI] Geek lounge

I live pretty much next to Murdoch university. I am also pretty excited to see where this plan is headed.

Also, long time lurker, first time emailer.

On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 12:46 PM, John Chillemi <john.chillemi@...> wrote:

2009/11/19 Andy Hawkins <andyhawkins@...>

I'm in the south. I think a place near the city would work.

Just in regards to the question about north and south, which only Simon answered- I'm in the north. Would anyone else like to comment about where they are? I like the idea of dropping by a place now and then, but I get the feeling most guys are south, so 'dropping by' would be more like 'mission' ;)

-Joel

Andy Hawkins wrote:

The reminds me of the days of finding a venue to play DnD on the weekends. We used to hire a scout hall. There must be plenty of places like that are not regularly used that would have cheap rent and ample space.

Very interesting idea. Like Chris (hi chris, welcome back!!), I can understand wanting to be able to interact with other people during the day, even if you aren't working with them on the same project.

I think a governing body of some sort would be pretty important. The Club fee thing sounds like a good idea. Colonising an existing cafe could work, but cafe furniture is not really conducive to extended development sessions, and it might be hard work if you have more than just a laptop.
The idea of being able to meet other people to collaborate with it is interesting too. So, like Andy says, making it accessable to non-programmers who have an interest in game development is something that would be important.

L8r, Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Hawkins [mailto:andyhawkins@...] Sent: Thursday, 19 November 2009 7:33 AM
To: pigmi@...
Subject: Re: [PIGMI] Geek lounge

Sounds good to me, but I was thinking forward on those weeks when no-one came in and costs would be running up. What we do about that?

I think a club fee would be cool, but consider this...

My best buddy at Leederville TAFE does Music Industry skills and those guys would probably love to have a club like this to hang out, as would film students. I think we could probably fill the club space quite well with more than just computer geeks, and we need musos and film students to make games anyway.
I think this would be an awesome community and a great way to get projects up and running. Heck even if I was just working on my own thing, I'd just grab my lappy and come down to hang out with everyone else just to be part of the community.
Let's get it happening.

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Re: Geek lounge

2009-11-18T20:57:04Z

I live pretty much next to Murdoch university. I am also pretty excited to see where this plan is headed.

Also, long time lurker, first time emailer.

On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 12:46 PM, John Chillemi <john.chillemi@...> wrote:

I am super-south (Oakford), something near the city, or at least near train access would be the go, I think.

Can I say I usually just lurk the pigmi list, but I am super-pumped about this, it seems like an excellent idea, if tricky to pull off.

2009/11/19 Andy Hawkins <andyhawkins@...>

I'm in the south. I think a place near the city would work.

Just in regards to the question about north and south, which only Simon answered- I'm in the north. Would anyone else like to comment about where they are? I like the idea of dropping by a place now and then, but I get the feeling most guys are south, so 'dropping by' would be more like 'mission' ;)

-Joel

Andy Hawkins wrote:

The reminds me of the days of finding a venue to play DnD on the weekends. We used to hire a scout hall. There must be plenty of places like that are not regularly used that would have cheap rent and ample space.

Very interesting idea. Like Chris (hi chris, welcome back!!), I can understand wanting to be able to interact with other people during the day, even if you aren't working with them on the same project.

I think a governing body of some sort would be pretty important. The Club fee thing sounds like a good idea. Colonising an existing cafe could work, but cafe furniture is not really conducive to extended development sessions, and it might be hard work if you have more than just a laptop.
The idea of being able to meet other people to collaborate with it is interesting too. So, like Andy says, making it accessable to non-programmers who have an interest in game development is something that would be important.

L8r, Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Hawkins [mailto:andyhawkins@...] Sent: Thursday, 19 November 2009 7:33 AM
To: pigmi@...
Subject: Re: [PIGMI] Geek lounge

Sounds good to me, but I was thinking forward on those weeks when no-one came in and costs would be running up. What we do about that?

I think a club fee would be cool, but consider this...

My best buddy at Leederville TAFE does Music Industry skills and those guys would probably love to have a club like this to hang out, as would film students. I think we could probably fill the club space quite well with more than just computer geeks, and we need musos and film students to make games anyway.
I think this would be an awesome community and a great way to get projects up and running. Heck even if I was just working on my own thing, I'd just grab my lappy and come down to hang out with everyone else just to be part of the community.
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Andy H.

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Re: Geek lounge

2009-11-18T20:46:42Z

2009/11/19 Andy Hawkins <andyhawkins@...>

I'm in the south. I think a place near the city would work.

Just in regards to the question about north and south, which only Simon answered- I'm in the north. Would anyone else like to comment about where they are? I like the idea of dropping by a place now and then, but I get the feeling most guys are south, so 'dropping by' would be more like 'mission' ;)

-Joel

Andy Hawkins wrote:

The reminds me of the days of finding a venue to play DnD on the weekends. We used to hire a scout hall. There must be plenty of places like that are not regularly used that would have cheap rent and ample space.

Very interesting idea. Like Chris (hi chris, welcome back!!), I can understand wanting to be able to interact with other people during the day, even if you aren't working with them on the same project.

I think a governing body of some sort would be pretty important. The Club fee thing sounds like a good idea. Colonising an existing cafe could work, but cafe furniture is not really conducive to extended development sessions, and it might be hard work if you have more than just a laptop.
The idea of being able to meet other people to collaborate with it is interesting too. So, like Andy says, making it accessable to non-programmers who have an interest in game development is something that would be important.

L8r, Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Hawkins [mailto:andyhawkins@...] Sent: Thursday, 19 November 2009 7:33 AM
To: pigmi@...
Subject: Re: [PIGMI] Geek lounge

Sounds good to me, but I was thinking forward on those weeks when no-one came in and costs would be running up. What we do about that?

I think a club fee would be cool, but consider this...

My best buddy at Leederville TAFE does Music Industry skills and those guys would probably love to have a club like this to hang out, as would film students. I think we could probably fill the club space quite well with more than just computer geeks, and we need musos and film students to make games anyway.
I think this would be an awesome community and a great way to get projects up and running. Heck even if I was just working on my own thing, I'd just grab my lappy and come down to hang out with everyone else just to be part of the community.
Let's get it happening.

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Re: Geek lounge

2009-11-18T20:43:25Z

I'm in the south. I think a place near the city would work.

> Just in regards to the question about north and south, which only
> Simon answered- I'm in the north. Would anyone else like to comment
> about where they are? I like the idea of dropping by a place now and
> then, but I get the feeling most guys are south, so 'dropping by'
> would be more like 'mission' ;)
>
> -Joel
>
>
> Andy Hawkins wrote:
>> The reminds me of the days of finding a venue to play DnD on the
>> weekends. We used to hire a scout hall. There must be plenty of
>> places like that are not regularly used that would have cheap rent
>> and ample space.
>>> Very interesting idea. Like Chris (hi chris, welcome back!!), I can
>>> understand wanting to be able to interact with other people during
>>> the day, even if you aren't working with them on the same project.
>>>
>>> I think a governing body of some sort would be pretty important. The
>>> Club fee thing sounds like a good idea. Colonising an existing cafe
>>> could work, but cafe furniture is not really conducive to extended
>>> development sessions, and it might be hard work if you have more
>>> than just a laptop.
>>>
>>> The idea of being able to meet other people to collaborate with it
>>> is interesting too. So, like Andy says, making it accessable to
>>> non-programmers who have an interest in game development is
>>> something that would be important.
>>>
>>> L8r, Paul
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Andy Hawkins [mailto:andyhawkins@...] Sent:
>>> Thursday, 19 November 2009 7:33 AM
>>> To: pigmi@...
>>> Subject: Re: [PIGMI] Geek lounge
>>>
>>> Sounds good to me, but I was thinking forward on those weeks when
>>> no-one came in and costs would be running up. What we do about that?
>>>
>>> I think a club fee would be cool, but consider this...
>>>
>>> My best buddy at Leederville TAFE does Music Industry skills and
>>> those guys would probably love to have a club like this to hang out,
>>> as would film students. I think we could probably fill the club
>>> space quite well with more than just computer geeks, and we need
>>> musos and film students to make games anyway.
>>> I think this would be an awesome community and a great way to get
>>> projects up and running. Heck even if I was just working on my own
>>> thing, I'd just grab my lappy and come down to hang out with
>>> everyone else just to be part of the community.
>>> Let's get it happening.
>>>
>>> Andy H.
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Re: Geek lounge

2009-11-18T20:37:25Z

Just in regards to the question about north and south, which only Simon
answered- I'm in the north. Would anyone else like to comment about
where they are? I like the idea of dropping by a place now and then, but
I get the feeling most guys are south, so 'dropping by' would be more
like 'mission' ;)

-Joel

Andy Hawkins wrote:

> The reminds me of the days of finding a venue to play DnD on the
> weekends. We used to hire a scout hall. There must be plenty of places
> like that are not regularly used that would have cheap rent and ample
> space.
>> Very interesting idea. Like Chris (hi chris, welcome back!!), I can
>> understand wanting to be able to interact with other people during the
>> day, even if you aren't working with them on the same project.
>>
>> I think a governing body of some sort would be pretty important. The
>> Club fee thing sounds like a good idea. Colonising an existing cafe
>> could work, but cafe furniture is not really conducive to extended
>> development sessions, and it might be hard work if you have more than
>> just a laptop.
>>
>> The idea of being able to meet other people to collaborate with it is
>> interesting too. So, like Andy says, making it accessable to
>> non-programmers who have an interest in game development is something
>> that would be important.
>>
>> L8r, Paul
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Andy Hawkins [mailto:andyhawkins@...] Sent: Thursday,
>> 19 November 2009 7:33 AM
>> To: pigmi@...
>> Subject: Re: [PIGMI] Geek lounge
>>
>> Sounds good to me, but I was thinking forward on those weeks when
>> no-one came in and costs would be running up. What we do about that?
>>
>> I think a club fee would be cool, but consider this...
>>
>> My best buddy at Leederville TAFE does Music Industry skills and those
>> guys would probably love to have a club like this to hang out, as
>> would film students. I think we could probably fill the club space
>> quite well with more than just computer geeks, and we need musos and
>> film students to make games anyway.
>> I think this would be an awesome community and a great way to get
>> projects up and running. Heck even if I was just working on my own
>> thing, I'd just grab my lappy and come down to hang out with everyone
>> else just to be part of the community.
>> Let's get it happening.
>>
>> Andy H.
>>
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Re: Geek lounge

2009-11-18T19:57:57Z

The reminds me of the days of finding a venue to play DnD on the
weekends. We used to hire a scout hall. There must be plenty of places
like that are not regularly used that would have cheap rent and ample space.

> Very interesting idea. Like Chris (hi chris, welcome back!!), I can understand wanting to be able to interact with other people during the day, even if you aren't working with them on the same project.
>
> I think a governing body of some sort would be pretty important. The Club fee thing sounds like a good idea. Colonising an existing cafe could work, but cafe furniture is not really conducive to extended development sessions, and it might be hard work if you have more than just a laptop.
>
> The idea of being able to meet other people to collaborate with it is interesting too. So, like Andy says, making it accessable to non-programmers who have an interest in game development is something that would be important.
>
> L8r, Paul
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andy Hawkins [mailto:andyhawkins@...]
> Sent: Thursday, 19 November 2009 7:33 AM
> To: pigmi@...
> Subject: Re: [PIGMI] Geek lounge
>
> Sounds good to me, but I was thinking forward on those weeks when no-one
> came in and costs would be running up. What we do about that?
>
> I think a club fee would be cool, but consider this...
>
> My best buddy at Leederville TAFE does Music Industry skills and those
> guys would probably love to have a club like this to hang out, as would
> film students. I think we could probably fill the club space quite well
> with more than just computer geeks, and we need musos and film students
> to make games anyway.
>
> I think this would be an awesome community and a great way to get
> projects up and running. Heck even if I was just working on my own
> thing, I'd just grab my lappy and come down to hang out with everyone
> else just to be part of the community.
>
> Let's get it happening.
>
> Andy H.
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RE: Geek lounge

2009-11-18T19:50:14Z

Very interesting idea. Like Chris (hi chris, welcome back!!), I can understand wanting to be able to interact with other people during the day, even if you aren't working with them on the same project.

I think a governing body of some sort would be pretty important. The Club fee thing sounds like a good idea. Colonising an existing cafe could work, but cafe furniture is not really conducive to extended development sessions, and it might be hard work if you have more than just a laptop.

The idea of being able to meet other people to collaborate with it is interesting too. So, like Andy says, making it accessable to non-programmers who have an interest in game development is something that would be important.

L8r, Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Hawkins [mailto:andyhawkins@...]
Sent: Thursday, 19 November 2009 7:33 AM
To: pigmi@...
Subject: Re: [PIGMI] Geek lounge

Sounds good to me, but I was thinking forward on those weeks when no-one
came in and costs would be running up. What we do about that?

I think a club fee would be cool, but consider this...

My best buddy at Leederville TAFE does Music Industry skills and those
guys would probably love to have a club like this to hang out, as would
film students. I think we could probably fill the club space quite well
with more than just computer geeks, and we need musos and film students
to make games anyway.

I think this would be an awesome community and a great way to get
projects up and running. Heck even if I was just working on my own
thing, I'd just grab my lappy and come down to hang out with everyone
else just to be part of the community.

Let's get it happening.

Andy H.

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Re: Geek lounge

2009-11-18T15:33:26Z

Sounds good to me, but I was thinking forward on those weeks when no-one
came in and costs would be running up. What we do about that?

I think a club fee would be cool, but consider this...

My best buddy at Leederville TAFE does Music Industry skills and those
guys would probably love to have a club like this to hang out, as would
film students. I think we could probably fill the club space quite well
with more than just computer geeks, and we need musos and film students
to make games anyway.

I think this would be an awesome community and a great way to get
projects up and running. Heck even if I was just working on my own
thing, I'd just grab my lappy and come down to hang out with everyone
else just to be part of the community.

Let's get it happening.

Andy H.

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Re: Geek lounge

2009-11-18T03:06:28Z

We used to meet in Soto, Highgate. I know they have WiFi, but I'm not sure their arrangement. They're pretty friendly and open late.

As for Curtin, I could ask, but Jeanette Hackett is a little... special when it comes to games, and I heard that they're already pretty full and are being forced to potentially rent space in Tech Park for their PhD students.

From: Jon Hayward <jhayward@...>
To: pigmi@...
Sent: Wed, 18 November, 2009 2:43:17 PM
Subject: Re: [PIGMI] Geek lounge

Hey All,

Sure you can get large amounts of space in Osbourne Park, but that's not what we
need right now, esp for this idea. You need somewhere central that's easily accessible and looks presentable enough to use for multiple uses. The further out
of town you go the harder it gets, and there isn't much close to the murdoch
trainstation if you really wanted to go "central perth", or at least geographically
speaking.

Yes, have fridge and adsl modem, get one of those ones you hook up to a reciept
printer and a coin slot, $2 a round for four hours or something along those lines.
Have a sponsor list and roll through it to keep the funding on a monthly basis. Yes
there would be sponsorship opportunities but we would need to prove we're worth it
to begin with.

The main thing to avoid is one group taking sole control of the space, it can't be
"black lab games" or "lets make games" or "igda" space. But these people need a
spot to work in still. It's a tough catch 22. The differentation between work
space and catch-up space is difficult.

Personally I would love space where I could book in my team for say a sunday
afternoon, put down $30 and we can get to work / have our team meeting. But these
spaces always need to have some room.

So here's another idea for the meantime, adhoc meets. can anyone thing of a coffee
shop or bar in perth that we could just say "if you're a game dev in perth, rock up
here between these times and anyone say, wearing this badge you'll know is a Game
developer".

On Wed Nov 18 14:31 , Will Dowling <will@...> sent:

>> This came up during the conversation as well. Due to my background with
>> setting up and running not-for-profit associations, that was my first
>> choice (membership based, not-for-profit, allows for some level of
>> democracy).
>
>Whoops, what I meant to say is that an association would be an ideal
>match for this type of project and allows you to define your membership
>criteria, membership levels and costs, etc.
>
>For this to get off the ground it just needs a few core people to:
>
> * Find a suitable location
> * Round up people
> * Collect the money and pay the bills
>
>Though I am curious to know what a commercial real estate company would
>say to a brand-spanking new community group applying for commercial
>property...
>
>
>Will Dowling
>
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Re: Geek lounge

2009-11-18T02:49:48Z

On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 4:38 PM, David Cake <dave@...> wrote:

a CNC router

OMFG! Awesome. Let the list know when you get it up and running!

Crispin

Re: Geek lounge

2009-11-18T01:39:44Z

On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 4:38 PM, David Cake <dave@...> wrote:
> I have to mention the Perth Artifactory, a recently formed
> hackerspace that, while it has a different intention to the planned Geek
> Lounge, does seem to have some cross-over.

Wow that is quite impressive. I see a lot of crossover, in fact so
much crossover that I worry that a 'Geek Lounge' would compete for
your membership.

Maybe it is worth considering the joining of our forces...

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Re: Geek lounge

2009-11-18T00:38:54Z

I have to mention the Perth Artifactory, a recently formed
hackerspace that, while it has a different intention to the planned
Geek Lounge, does seem to have some cross-over.
The Perth Artifactory is a member-run space for people who
want to work on hacking projects, and making things. So it is a sort
of similar project to the Geek Lounge, except very much with an
emphasis on hardware as well as software projects, which means it is
far more of a workshop than just a social space. It is similar to
spaces like Noisebridge in San Francisco or NYC Resistor.
It is a drop in warehouse/workshop space that members can
drop in to any time (full members get keys for 24 hour access). It
has space for socialising, and we are working on WiFi and such. It
also has spaces set up for soldering and electronics, woodwork and
metalwork, a big plotter and other printers, and an ever growing
collection of equipment. Our premises are currently a warehouse based
in residential Mt Lawley. You could also consider it a sort of 'Mens
Shed' for younger geeks of both genders (though admittedly we are
very male biased currently).
We are hoping to soon have a couple of premium bits of
interesting equipment to offer members, both under active
construction - a CNC router, able to cut complex designs from slabs
of wood or aluminium in a computer controlled manner, and a RepRap, a
'3d printer' that extrudes plastic to build up 3D models to order.
We are currently charging a relatively expensive $100/month
for membership, but hope to drop this to half that once we have a
planned recruiting drive to increase membership size.
The Artifactory does have social space, we have chairs and
tables and a kitchen and so on, and are working on making this a
comfortable place for members to drop in and hang out. But it doesn't
look fancy - it is definitely an old warehouse type of space, and
definitely looks like an active workshop with a lot of different
things going on.
Members are working on projects including the 3D printing
facilities, building electronic music equipment, sending a weather
balloon into the stratosphere, 6 legged robots, building furniture,
attacking microcontrollers to their cars, motorbikes and all sorts of
other devices.
Currently we are nearing the end of the administrative run up
- waiting on an ABN so that we can get internet etc connected,
insurance etc, we've had premises for a few months, and we are just
about ready for our big recruiting drive. But renting space like this
is expensive, so we currently have a constant need for cash and new
members!

We'd be happy to host things like game developers meet ups if
appropriate.

> Just throwing this out there... what about a "Club" type arrangement,
> with yearly fees etc.
> Eg, most golf clubs require two people to sponsor an inductee.

While the Artifactory is obviously a slightly different
project, it is certainly close enough that I can run anyone through
the process of creating a separate Club type non-profit organisation,
and I'd be happy to help. I am the Chair of the Artifactory, and so
I've been doing most of the work of getting a constitution written
and approved by the Dept of Commerce, creating the organisation
(there is a quite specific procedure that the Dept wants), getting an
ABN, etc. It is a fair bit of work, and I'd plan for the whole
process to take a minimum of about 3 months, I'd say.

Regards
David

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Re: Geek lounge

2009-11-17T23:18:35Z

On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 3:12 PM, Joel Blackwell <joel@...> wrote:
> I'm curious, what's the spread of people across Perth? How far north and
> south is everyone?
>

I live in the far east, and work in the far north. :-)

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Re: Geek lounge

2009-11-17T23:12:31Z

I'm curious, what's the spread of people across Perth? How far north and
south is everyone?

-Joel

Chris McCormick wrote:

> On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 02:34:42PM +0800, Josh Whitkin wrote:
>> The Bakery is the place I'd want it, if I were an indie game developer in Perth!
>
> For sure. I might hit up Marcus from Artrage and ask him for advice too.
>
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Re: Geek lounge

2009-11-17T22:51:49Z

On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 02:34:42PM +0800, Josh Whitkin wrote:
> The Bakery is the place I'd want it, if I were an indie game developer in Perth!

For sure. I might hit up Marcus from Artrage and ask him for advice too.

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