Page Style for a Dictionary

[Jonathan Kaye-3]

Hi all,
I posted this several days ago on comp.openoffice.questions and haven't
received anything I can use to solve the problem. Any ideas out there?

This may be a tricky one. I am helping to produce a dictionary and things
are nearing completion thanks to the outstanding support from the Openoffice
groups.
I've got an .odt file laid out exactly as it should be. Entries are in
paragraph form using the hanging indent style. The only hard line breaks are
to separate one entry from another.

I need to create a unique header for each page. On the header we should see
the first 3 characters of the first entry on the page and then the first 3
characters of the last entry on the page. Note that these are usually not
the first and last lines, respectively since entries may run over (soft)
page breaks; there are no hard page breaks in the document. I think I know
how to left/right justify the 1st and last entry characters (using left and
right tabs) but how do I get this into a header? It seems to be that
creating a page style is the way to go. I don't think there's a way to find
soft page breaks using a regular expression.

What I want to know is does such a page style for dictionaries already
exist? I don't want to reinvent the wheel here. If so, a link would be
greatly appreciated. I've looked fairly hard for one but come up empty. If,
indeed, none exist, then any hints about to create the page style (if that's
the best way to do it) would be greatly appreciated. I'm using OOo3.1.
Thanks in advance,
Jonathan
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[Thomas Lange - Sun Germany - ham02 - Hamburg]

Hi Jonathan,

Jonathan Kaye wrote:

> Hi all,
> I posted this several days ago on comp.openoffice.questions and haven't
> received anything I can use to solve the problem. Any ideas out there?
>
> This may be a tricky one. I am helping to produce a dictionary and things
> are nearing completion thanks to the outstanding support from the Openoffice
> groups.
> I've got an .odt file laid out exactly as it should be. Entries are in
> paragraph form using the hanging indent style. The only hard line breaks are
> to separate one entry from another.
>
> I need to create a unique header for each page. On the header we should see
> the first 3 characters of the first entry on the page and then the first 3
> characters of the last entry on the page. Note that these are usually not
> the first and last lines, respectively since entries may run over (soft)
> page breaks; there are no hard page breaks in the document. I think I know
> how to left/right justify the 1st and last entry characters (using left and
> right tabs) but how do I get this into a header? It seems to be that
> creating a page style is the way to go. I don't think there's a way to find
> soft page breaks using a regular expression.
>
> What I want to know is does such a page style for dictionaries already
> exist? I don't want to reinvent the wheel here. If so, a link would be
> greatly appreciated. I've looked fairly hard for one but come up empty. If,
> indeed, none exist, then any hints about to create the page style (if that's
> the best way to do it) would be greatly appreciated. I'm using OOo3.1.
>  

I have asked around, and no we have no means of creating such a page
style. Also no one could think off different means to produce a similar
effect.
Thus I'm afraid you are the first one who ever had told us about such
need. :-(

The only reasonable choice you have is to file a feature request about
this, and hopefully it gets supported in the future. I do believe that
this is really a very reasonable request.

Do you know if it is possible in competitive products?
If so you should also state this in the feature request as well!
Compatibility issues are usually always getting some more attention than
other non-fatal issues.


Regards,
Thomas



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[Drew Jensen]

Thomas Lange - Sun Germany - ham02 - Hamburg wrote:

> Hi Jonathan,
>
> Jonathan Kaye wrote:
>  
>> Hi all,
>> I posted this several days ago on comp.openoffice.questions and haven't
>> received anything I can use to solve the problem. Any ideas out there?
>>
>> This may be a tricky one. I am helping to produce a dictionary and things
>> are nearing completion thanks to the outstanding support from the Openoffice
>> groups.
>> I've got an .odt file laid out exactly as it should be. Entries are in
>> paragraph form using the hanging indent style. The only hard line breaks are
>> to separate one entry from another.
>>
>> I need to create a unique header for each page. On the header we should see
>> the first 3 characters of the first entry on the page and then the first 3
>> characters of the last entry on the page. Note that these are usually not
>> the first and last lines, respectively since entries may run over (soft)
>> page breaks; there are no hard page breaks in the document. I think I know
>> how to left/right justify the 1st and last entry characters (using left and
>> right tabs) but how do I get this into a header? It seems to be that
>> creating a page style is the way to go. I don't think there's a way to find
>> soft page breaks using a regular expression.
>>
>> What I want to know is does such a page style for dictionaries already
>> exist? I don't want to reinvent the wheel here. If so, a link would be
>> greatly appreciated. I've looked fairly hard for one but come up empty. If,
>> indeed, none exist, then any hints about to create the page style (if that's
>> the best way to do it) would be greatly appreciated. I'm using OOo3.1.
>>  
>>    
>
> I have asked around, and no we have no means of creating such a page
> style. Also no one could think off different means to produce a similar
> effect.
> Thus I'm afraid you are the first one who ever had told us about such
> need. :-(
>
> The only reasonable choice you have is to file a feature request about
> this, and hopefully it gets supported in the future. I do believe that
> this is really a very reasonable request.
>
> Do you know if it is possible in competitive products?
> If so you should also state this in the feature request as well!
> Compatibility issues are usually always getting some more attention than
> other non-fatal issues.
>
>
>
>  

Hello Jonathan, Thomas

Perhaps this is another use case for the RFE:
http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=22728

IIRC there was a discussion about this on one of the web forums and I
believe someone came up with a workaround using fields and macros...but
can't say for sure, might be worth a search though, also not sure if
that would be oooforum.org or user.services.openoffice.org. I would
search both.

I know that doesn't really help but maybe you can find something there
that will.

Best regards,

Drew

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[Jonathan Kaye-3]

Drew Jensen wrote:

> Thomas Lange - Sun Germany - ham02 - Hamburg wrote:
>> Hi Jonathan,
 
     

>>
>> I have asked around, and no we have no means of creating such a page
>> style. Also no one could think off different means to produce a similar
>> effect.
>> Thus I'm afraid you are the first one who ever had told us about such
>> need. :-(
>>
>> The only reasonable choice you have is to file a feature request about
>> this, and hopefully it gets supported in the future. I do believe that
>> this is really a very reasonable request.
>>
>> Do you know if it is possible in competitive products?
>> If so you should also state this in the feature request as well!
>> Compatibility issues are usually always getting some more attention than
>> other non-fatal issues.
>>
>>
>>
>>  
> Hello Jonathan, Thomas
>
> Perhaps this is another use case for the RFE:
> http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=22728
>
> IIRC there was a discussion about this on one of the web forums and I
> believe someone came up with a workaround using fields and macros...but
> can't say for sure, might be worth a search though, also not sure if
> that would be oooforum.org or user.services.openoffice.org. I would
> search both.
>
> I know that doesn't really help but maybe you can find something there
> that will.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Drew

Thanks for the quick  answers, Thomas and Drew. This is the only response I
got which came from Jonathon (with an "o" not to be confused with me, the
one with an "a").
>At first glance, my  suggestion would  be to use the inline header
>macro, demarcating the first three characters as the header.  However,
>I cant' find that macro.  :(

>The basic idea is to create a hidden paragraph style, which contains
>the first three characters of the next paragraph.

>The two obvious issues are:
>* the last heading on the page won't be displayed on that page;
>* the first heading on the page might not be displayed on that page;

>jonathon
I tried googling around for something useful but came up empty. Maybe this
would give one of you a hint however.

Sadly, I only use Openoffice so I'm not sure about the competition but I can
ask around and see if, say, MS Word could do this. I asked my Mac-using
friends and they had no suggestions.

I'm pretty sure I could do this in  WordPerfect but that was about 15 years
ago. WP didn't have a built in feature but its macro language was powerful
enough for me to write the macro myself. I don't think it's possible to  
recognise soft page breaks in OOo and that's a key to solving this problem.

I'll report back when I find out something.
Cheers,
Jonathan (with an "a") ;)
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[Jonathan Kaye-3]

Thomas Lange - Sun Germany - ham02 - Hamburg wrote:

>
> Hi Jonathan,
>
> Jonathan Kaye wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> I posted this several days ago on comp.openoffice.questions and haven't
>> received anything I can use to solve the problem. Any ideas out there?
>>
>> This may be a tricky one. I am helping to produce a dictionary and things
>> are nearing completion thanks to the outstanding support from the
>> Openoffice groups.
>> I've got an .odt file laid out exactly as it should be. Entries are in
>> paragraph form using the hanging indent style. The only hard line breaks
>> are to separate one entry from another.
>>
>> I need to create a unique header for each page. On the header we should
>> see the first 3 characters of the first entry on the page and then the
>> first 3 characters of the last entry on the page. Note that these are
>> usually not the first and last lines, respectively since entries may run
>> over (soft) page breaks; there are no hard page breaks in the document. I
>> think I know how to left/right justify the 1st and last entry characters
>> (using left and right tabs) but how do I get this into a header? It seems
>> to be that creating a page style is the way to go. I don't think there's
>> a way to find soft page breaks using a regular expression.
>>
>> What I want to know is does such a page style for dictionaries already
>> exist? I don't want to reinvent the wheel here. If so, a link would be
>> greatly appreciated. I've looked fairly hard for one but come up empty.
>> If, indeed, none exist, then any hints about to create the page style (if
>> that's the best way to do it) would be greatly appreciated. I'm using
>> OOo3.1.
>>  
>
> I have asked around, and no we have no means of creating such a page
> style. Also no one could think off different means to produce a similar
> effect.
> Thus I'm afraid you are the first one who ever had told us about such
> need. :-(
>
> The only reasonable choice you have is to file a feature request about
> this, and hopefully it gets supported in the future. I do believe that
> this is really a very reasonable request.
>
> Do you know if it is possible in competitive products?
> If so you should also state this in the feature request as well!
> Compatibility issues are usually always getting some more attention than
> other non-fatal issues.
>
>
> Regards,
> Thomas

Hi Thomas,
AFAIK it is not possible on competitive products. I have really really
searched the Openoffice.org website high and low and can't, for the life of
me, find where I can file a feature request. Any hints?
TIA,
Jonathan

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[Cor Nouws]

Hi Jonathan,

Jonathan Kaye wrote (8-9-2009 16:29)

> AFAIK it is not possible on competitive products. I have really really
> searched the Openoffice.org website high and low and can't, for the life of
> me, find where I can file a feature request. Any hints?

The mail you replied to on 3-9-2009 15:23 (- +2:00 ?) holds a link,
posted by Drew Jensen:
  http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=22728

This shows :
  - the RFE that handles your idea;
  - a work around
    (comment from gtrihus Thu Aug 14 15:42:57 +0000 2008)
  - links to info/pages to search for, start new issues etc.

HTH,

Kindest regards,
Cor

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[Jonathan Kaye-3]

Cor Nouws wrote:

> Hi Jonathan,
>
> Jonathan Kaye wrote (8-9-2009 16:29)
>
>> AFAIK it is not possible on competitive products. I have really really
>> searched the Openoffice.org website high and low and can't, for the life
>> of me, find where I can file a feature request. Any hints?
>
> The mail you replied to on 3-9-2009 15:23 (- +2:00 ?) holds a link,
> posted by Drew Jensen:
>   http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=22728
>
> This shows :
>   - the RFE that handles your idea;
>   - a work around
>     (comment from gtrihus Thu Aug 14 15:42:57 +0000 2008)
>   - links to info/pages to search for, start new issues etc.
>
> HTH,
>
> Kindest regards,
> Cor
>

Thanks Cor,
I'm studying the issue now.
Cheers,
jonathan
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[Jonathan Kaye-3]

Jonathan Kaye wrote:

> Cor Nouws wrote:
>
>> Hi Jonathan,
>>
>> Jonathan Kaye wrote (8-9-2009 16:29)
>>
>>> AFAIK it is not possible on competitive products. I have really really
>>> searched the Openoffice.org website high and low and can't, for the life
>>> of me, find where I can file a feature request. Any hints?
>>
>> The mail you replied to on 3-9-2009 15:23 (- +2:00 ?) holds a link,
>> posted by Drew Jensen:
>>   http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=22728
>>
>> This shows :
>>   - the RFE that handles your idea;
>>   - a work around
>>     (comment from gtrihus Thu Aug 14 15:42:57 +0000 2008)
>>   - links to info/pages to search for, start new issues etc.
>>
>> HTH,
>>
>> Kindest regards,
>> Cor
>>
> Thanks Cor,
> I'm studying the issue now.
> Cheers,
> jonathan

Update: It contains a useful example with loads of styles and macros but no
documentation on how to adapt them, even minimally, to a similar but not
identical formatting. :( A bit frustrating. The solutions is out there.
cheers,
Jonathan
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