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Re: Perpetual Fortnight CalendarOn 2012 Jan 26, at 08:37 , Karl Palmen wrote:
On 2012 Jan 26, at 08:52 , Sonny Pondrom wrote:
Irv replies: Sonny's idea of designating the 26 fortnights by the 26 capital letters of the English alphabet is attractive. This is good. I had considered the idea of a fortnight calendar, but rejected it because it would be awful to come up with 26 fortnight designations that would be easy to remember. Sonny suggested the date format YYYY/FN/D where FN=01 to 26, D=0-8. Of course Sonny ignored the thread's focus on it being a leap week calendar, so I'll ignore his "0" and "8" days. The use of the capital letters to designate the fortnights has the advantage that only a single character is required to specify the fortnight, and no date separators are necessary. Since Karl's idea places the leap week at an exact interval, it can occur anywhere in the year, and could be designated by the lowercase letter of the fortnight that preceded it. This is akin to the designation of the leap month in the Chinese lunisolar calendar. Division into quarters could ignore the leap week, wherever it is positioned (at intervals of 294 weeks). First quarter = A through first week of G. Second quarter = second week of G through M. Third quarter = N until first week of T. Fourth quarter = second week of T through Z. The moving leap week over the long term would affect everybody's birthdate equally, so it is fair to all. |
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Re: Perpetual Fortnight CalendarOn 2012 Jan 26, at 13:01 , Sonny Pondrom wrote:
Not in my books! The last thing I'd want is to make it any easier for people to reach me by telephone! And voice mail? P-L-E-A-S-E switch it off! |
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Re: Perpetual Fortnight Calendar
On 2012 Jan 26, at 17:14 , Sonny Pondrom wrote:
That is exactly my point! Your telephone leap day hyperbole is irrelevant! |
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Re: Perpetual Fortnight CalendarOn 2012 Jan 26, at 11:48 , Irv Bromberg wrote:
Irv adds: Actually D, if numeric, has to have two digits because a fortnight has 14 days. A single digit could be used for the leap week, but that is not a reliable way to distinguish the leap week because people might omit the leading zero of D for the first week of fortnights. |
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Re: Perpetual Fortnight CalendarDear Irv, Sonny, and Calendar People,
Perhaps D is a hexadecimal numeric digit (still would not be 0-8 or 1-7 but perhaps 1-E. By the way, I think it is a mistake to specify both upper and lower case letters. Too much potential for an error. Alternatively, one could encode the week by using 1-7 and also add another digit with values from 1-2 indicating which week in the fortnight is being referenced. Victor On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 6:36 AM, Irv Bromberg <irv.bromberg@...> wrote:
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Re: Perpetual Fortnight CalendarIrv replies: I agree that letter case is too likely to be mistaken. Victor's alternative format has the advantage that it never has a leading zero, and will be consistently 2 digits. Now it occurs to me that the leap week could be designated week 3 of a fortnight, so it will have the same fortnight letter. -- Irv On 2012 Jan 30, at 10:46 , Victor Engel wrote: Perhaps D is a hexadecimal numeric digit (still would not be 0-8 or 1-7 but perhaps 1-E. By the way, I think it is a mistake to specify both upper and lower case letters. Too much potential for an error. |
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Re: Perpetual Fortnight CalendarSonny,
I think you're the only one who believe is it would be a good idea to have weekdays varying from 1-7, 1-8, and 1-9. Victor 2012C11 On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 11:55 AM, Sonny Pondrom <sonny@...> wrote:
On Jan 30, 2012, at 9:46 AM, Victor Engel wrote: Dear Irv, Sonny, and Calendar People, Perhaps D is a hexadecimal numeric digit (still would not be 0-8 or 1-7 but perhaps 1-E. By the way, I think it is a mistake to specify both upper and lower case letters. Too much potential for an error. Alternatively, one could encode the week by using 1-7 and also add another digit with values from 1-2 indicating which week in the fortnight is being referenced. Victor On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 6:36 AM, Irv Bromberg <irv.bromberg@...> wrote:
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Re: Perpetual Fortnight CalendarWe must be discussing different things. I thought the subject was a fortnight calendar having a leap week. The most straightforward way to do that would be to use the ISO weekday calendar. The year number would be the Gregorian year number that corresponds to almost all days in the year. The first day of the first fortnight would be the first day of the first week in the ISO weekday calendar. Each fortnight has two weeks, designated 1 and 2. Days of the week are designated 1 through 7. On years with a leap week, The leap week can be joined with the previous weeks to form a three week fortnight.
Thus today is 2012C11 since we're in year 2012 and in day 1 of week 1 of fortnight C. Here is the current year, with spaces inserted between fortnights (first date is Gregorian -- second is the fortnight calendar just described): 2012-01-02 2012A11 2012-01-03 2012A12 2012-01-04 2012A13 2012-01-05 2012A14 2012-01-06 2012A15 2012-01-07 2012A16 2012-01-08 2012A17 2012-01-09 2012A21 2012-01-10 2012A22 2012-01-11 2012A23 2012-01-12 2012A24 2012-01-13 2012A25 2012-01-14 2012A26 2012-01-15 2012A27 2012-01-16 2012B11 2012-01-17 2012B12 2012-01-18 2012B13 2012-01-19 2012B14 2012-01-20 2012B15 2012-01-21 2012B16 2012-01-22 2012B17 2012-01-23 2012B21 2012-01-24 2012B22 2012-01-25 2012B23 2012-01-26 2012B24 2012-01-27 2012B25 2012-01-28 2012B26 2012-01-29 2012B27 2012-01-30 2012C11 2012-01-31 2012C12 2012-02-01 2012C13 2012-02-02 2012C14 2012-02-03 2012C15 2012-02-04 2012C16 2012-02-05 2012C17 2012-02-06 2012C21 2012-02-07 2012C22 2012-02-08 2012C23 2012-02-09 2012C24 2012-02-10 2012C25 2012-02-11 2012C26 2012-02-12 2012C27 2012-02-13 2012D11 2012-02-14 2012D12 2012-02-15 2012D13 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2012V27 2012-11-05 2012W11 2012-11-06 2012W12 2012-11-07 2012W13 2012-11-08 2012W14 2012-11-09 2012W15 2012-11-10 2012W16 2012-11-11 2012W17 2012-11-12 2012W21 2012-11-13 2012W22 2012-11-14 2012W23 2012-11-15 2012W24 2012-11-16 2012W25 2012-11-17 2012W26 2012-11-18 2012W27 2012-11-19 2012X11 2012-11-20 2012X12 2012-11-21 2012X13 2012-11-22 2012X14 2012-11-23 2012X15 2012-11-24 2012X16 2012-11-25 2012X17 2012-11-26 2012X21 2012-11-27 2012X22 2012-11-28 2012X23 2012-11-29 2012X24 2012-11-30 2012X25 2012-12-01 2012X26 2012-12-02 2012X27 2012-12-03 2012Y11 2012-12-04 2012Y12 2012-12-05 2012Y13 2012-12-06 2012Y14 2012-12-07 2012Y15 2012-12-08 2012Y16 2012-12-09 2012Y17 2012-12-10 2012Y21 2012-12-11 2012Y22 2012-12-12 2012Y23 2012-12-13 2012Y24 2012-12-14 2012Y25 2012-12-15 2012Y26 2012-12-16 2012Y27 2012-12-17 2012Z11 2012-12-18 2012Z12 2012-12-19 2012Z13 2012-12-20 2012Z14 2012-12-21 2012Z15 2012-12-22 2012Z16 2012-12-23 2012Z17 2012-12-24 2012Z21 2012-12-25 2012Z22 2012-12-26 2012Z23 2012-12-27 2012Z24 2012-12-28 2012Z25 2012-12-29 2012Z26 2012-12-30 2012Z27 The next leap week is in 2015: 2015-12-14 2015Z11 2015-12-15 2015Z12 2015-12-16 2015Z13 2015-12-17 2015Z14 2015-12-18 2015Z15 2015-12-19 2015Z16 2015-12-20 2015Z17 2015-12-21 2015Z21 2015-12-22 2015Z22 2015-12-23 2015Z23 2015-12-24 2015Z24 2015-12-25 2015Z25 2015-12-26 2015Z26 2015-12-27 2015Z27 2015-12-28 2015Z31 2015-12-29 2015Z32 2015-12-30 2015Z33 2015-12-31 2015Z34 2016-01-01 2015Z35 2016-01-02 2015Z36 2016-01-03 2015Z37 On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 4:57 PM, Sonny Pondrom <sonny@...> wrote:
On Jan 30, 2012, at 10:00 AM, Irv Bromberg wrote: Irv replies: I agree that letter case is too likely to be mistaken. Victor's alternative format has the advantage that it never has a leading zero, and will be consistently 2 digits.
Now it occurs to me that the leap week could be designated week 3 of a fortnight, so it will have the same fortnight letter. -- Irv On 2012 Jan 30, at 10:46 , Victor Engel wrote:
Perhaps D is a hexadecimal numeric digit (still would not be 0-8 or 1-7 but perhaps 1-E. By the way, I think it is a mistake to specify both upper and lower case letters. Too much potential for an error. |
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Re: Perpetual Fortnight CalendarSonny,
I don't know what it is about your messages, but I find them hard to follow, formattingwise. Perhaps you are posting through nabble or something. In any case, if I leave something out of context, it's probably because I've missed it because I simply don't see it from the way your posts are formatted. On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 8:52 PM, Sonny Pondrom <sonny@...> wrote:
I wonder. What do you think the problem is?
What does that even mean? Doesn't every calendar with a year have every day of the year? Seems almost tautological.
Which ISO calendar?
Can't you post it here as plain text? I'm not ready to integrate facebook into my email life. In any case, why choose Tuesday as day 1? That seems odd.
There is no leap year day in a leap week calendar. Also what other days are there besides those between New Year's Day and New Year's Eve? That would seem to be the entire year.
Of course, it is. Now you've mixed case, which can be problematic. For one, in speech, having to say the case of a letter is cumbersome. Secondly, when anticipating algorithms and computer programs, having case sensitive data can be problematic. I give you an example from my own experience. My in-laws have email addresses that are case sensitive. That is a problem because many programs out there assume, incorrectly, that email addresses are case insensitive. Domain names are case insensitive, but email address need not be. In this case, two numeric digits is much better than two digits with different case. OK, disregard the case, then. I have no problem with that. Six of one, half a dozen of the other. A, B, and C work just as well as 1, 2, and 3 (although, I must say I prefer the latter).
No they don't They stand out exactly the same. And so what if the numeric version doesn't make the last digit stand out better? We're talking about a fortnight calendar, so the last two should be considered together. They work better as a base 7 number to me.
Please explain what you mean here. I have no idea what you're talking about. There is no situation where the successor of XXXXE12 is not XXXXE13, where XXXX is the year number. If you're complaining about 2012-02-29, I don't care about that because it's part of a different calendar. I included that column just as a reference. The new calendar need not know such details about the old calendar.
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What's confusing? I'm simply following the ISO leap week rule. I won't go into how that works, since it's well documented elsewhere. Anyway, the point of following the ISO leap week rule is that it is already a standard. Some other leap week rule could be followed. But that wasn't the point of my post. The point of my post was to illustrate my proposed notation using a calendar that people already know about.
IT IS A LEAP WEEK CALENDAR! THAT'S WHAT YOU GET WHEN YOU HAVE A LEAP WEEK CALENDAR. Besides, those days are not in a different year. They're in the same year: 2015. Please ignore the year specified in the left column. That is a reference only. One could say that the year number portion of the leap week date is a mismatch for the year numbers in the Gregorian calendar, BUT THAT'S A CONSEQUENCE OF THE ISO LEAP WEEK RULES. It's apparent, that you are proposing a calendar that is NOT a leap week calendar. Consequently, we are NOT attempting to solve the same problem. My problem is specifically to specify a notation that is to be used with a fortnight calendar having a leapweek as suggested earlier (by Karl, I think). Victor |
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