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PhD supervision of practice as a research method?

by Dr Mark Evans :: Rate this Message:

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Having spent my early career as a practitioner; employed practice in my own
PhD (industrial design); and now supervise/examine PhD's that include practice
as a research method; I reflected on my experiences in the preparation of a
paper for the 2009 International Conference of the DRS Special Interest Group
on Experiential Knowledge (http://www.experientialknowledge.org/). When
discussing the use of practice in research, I made the following comments in
the abstract of my paper:

"When considering the application of such methods, it is necessary to ask two
key questions: can the process/outcomes supply robust data and does the
researcher have the necessary capability as a practitioner to enable
generalisations to be made. The latter issue brings into question the need for
appropriate supervision, as judgements must be made on the capability of the
researcher and quality/relevance of creative output i.e. do their supervisors
need expertise in practice?".

I have seen examples of poor practice that has contributed to PhD's in
industrial/product design and have no problems articulating the deficiencies
and impact this has on the research method. Unfortunately, their supervisors
were unable to see this. I therefore have concerns that this may be a
significant issue in the field of industrial/product design. It may also be an
issue for other disciplines but have no evidence to substantiate this.

I'd therefore like to offer up the potentially controversial position that PhD's
that include practice as a research method should, preferably, be supervised
by academics that have considerable experience as practitioners: plus a PhD
of course!

Re: PhD supervision of practice as a research method?

by PR Hodge :: Rate this Message:

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Mark

...I'd therefore like to offer up the potentially controversial position that PhD's
that include practice as a research method should, preferably, be supervised
by academics that have considerable experience as practitioners: plus a PhD
of course!...


Are you saying that there are examples - in your experience - of non practitioners supervising? I find this quite incredible - theory is is what theory doesn't as me old Yorkshire mum used to say. I can understand supervision from someone without a PhD - but only in a secondary role.



Robin



PR Hodge MA, BA (Hons), PG Dip (Media), FAETC, MIDI
Fellow of the Royal Society
Faculty Head of Collaborative Courses
Programme Director Master of Design and Communication

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Sent: Tue 10/11/2009 16:19
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Subject: PhD supervision of practice as a research method?
 
Having spent my early career as a practitioner; employed practice in my own
PhD (industrial design); and now supervise/examine PhD's that include practice
as a research method; I reflected on my experiences in the preparation of a
paper for the 2009 International Conference of the DRS Special Interest Group
on Experiential Knowledge (http://www.experientialknowledge.org/). When
discussing the use of practice in research, I made the following comments in
the abstract of my paper:

"When considering the application of such methods, it is necessary to ask two
key questions: can the process/outcomes supply robust data and does the
researcher have the necessary capability as a practitioner to enable
generalisations to be made. The latter issue brings into question the need for
appropriate supervision, as judgements must be made on the capability of the
researcher and quality/relevance of creative output i.e. do their supervisors
need expertise in practice?".

I have seen examples of poor practice that has contributed to PhD's in
industrial/product design and have no problems articulating the deficiencies
and impact this has on the research method. Unfortunately, their supervisors
were unable to see this. I therefore have concerns that this may be a
significant issue in the field of industrial/product design. It may also be an
issue for other disciplines but have no evidence to substantiate this.

I'd therefore like to offer up the potentially controversial position that PhD's
that include practice as a research method should, preferably, be supervised
by academics that have considerable experience as practitioners: plus a PhD
of course!

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by Dr Mark Evans :: Rate this Message:

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Robin

Many thanks for letting me use my all time favourite quote from Blade Runner
in my "yes" reply:

"I've seen thing you people wouldn't believe........."

Mark




On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 16:58:01 -0000, Hodge Robin
<pr.hodge@...> wrote:

>Mark
>
>...I'd therefore like to offer up the potentially controversial position that PhD's
>that include practice as a research method should, preferably, be supervised
>by academics that have considerable experience as practitioners: plus a PhD
>of course!...
>
>
>Are you saying that there are examples - in your experience - of non
practitioners supervising? I find this quite incredible - theory is is what theory
doesn't as me old Yorkshire mum used to say. I can understand supervision
from someone without a PhD - but only in a secondary role.

>
>
>
>Robin
>
>
>
>PR Hodge MA, BA (Hons), PG Dip (Media), FAETC, MIDI
>Fellow of the Royal Society
>Faculty Head of Collaborative Courses
>Programme Director Master of Design and Communication
>
>TEL: ext 75572
>
>Foyle Arts
>University of Ulster at Magee
>L/derry
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: PhD-Design - This list is for discussion of PhD studies and related
research in Design on behalf of Dr Mark Evans
>Sent: Tue 10/11/2009 16:19
>To: PHD-DESIGN@...
>Subject: PhD supervision of practice as a research method?
>
>Having spent my early career as a practitioner; employed practice in my own
>PhD (industrial design); and now supervise/examine PhD's that include
practice
>as a research method; I reflected on my experiences in the preparation of a
>paper for the 2009 International Conference of the DRS Special Interest
Group
>on Experiential Knowledge (http://www.experientialknowledge.org/). When
>discussing the use of practice in research, I made the following comments in
>the abstract of my paper:
>
>"When considering the application of such methods, it is necessary to ask
two
>key questions: can the process/outcomes supply robust data and does the
>researcher have the necessary capability as a practitioner to enable
>generalisations to be made. The latter issue brings into question the need for
>appropriate supervision, as judgements must be made on the capability of
the

>researcher and quality/relevance of creative output i.e. do their supervisors
>need expertise in practice?".
>
>I have seen examples of poor practice that has contributed to PhD's in
>industrial/product design and have no problems articulating the deficiencies
>and impact this has on the research method. Unfortunately, their supervisors
>were unable to see this. I therefore have concerns that this may be a
>significant issue in the field of industrial/product design. It may also be an
>issue for other disciplines but have no evidence to substantiate this.
>
>I'd therefore like to offer up the potentially controversial position that PhD's
>that include practice as a research method should, preferably, be supervised
>by academics that have considerable experience as practitioners: plus a PhD
>of course!

Re: PhD supervision of practice as a research method?

by Robert Harland :: Rate this Message:

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Mark and Robin

Earlier this year I saw a presentation by a recently qualified PhD  
candidate with a background in Fine Art, who chose to use what I would  
best describe as the process of Graphic Design to produce a  
predominantly text based artifact to accompany their 15000 word thesis.

As a piece of 'graphic design', in my view, it was very poor, and  
after questioning, it appeared the originator of the work had not  
incorporated in their method any accountable investigation into the  
conventions of practice in some core areas (typography, for example),  
beyond what they could achieve with access to decent page layout  
software.

I have therefore seen what you describe below from another  
disciplinary perspective.

But one thing strikes me. As these PhDs surface, good and bad, the  
opportunity will arise to compare and contrast different approaches,  
and build a better understanding of how we account for reasonable  
standards in 'design practice' as part of the research methodology,  
and to what extent someone should master the conventions of design  
practice if they choose a cross-disciplinary approach.

In the case I mention above, it meant understanding the difference  
between an apostrophe and a prime (hatch) mark, amongst other things.

I speak as a practitioner turned PhD candidate.

Robert.


Robert Harland    Lecturer    Loughborough University    School of Art  
and Design    +44 (0)1509 228980    r.g.harland@...
www.lboro.ac.uk/departments/ac/mainpages/Research/staffpages/harland/harland.htm




On 10 Nov 2009, at 16:19, Dr Mark Evans wrote:

> I have seen examples of poor practice that has contributed to PhD's in
> industrial/product design and have no problems articulating the  
> deficiencies
> and impact this has on the research method. Unfortunately, their  
> supervisors
> were unable to see this. I therefore have concerns that this may be a
> significant issue in the field of industrial/product design. It may  
> also be an
> issue for other disciplines but have no evidence to substantiate this.

Re: PhD supervision of practice as a research method?

by Martyn Evans :: Rate this Message:

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Hi Mark

Your post brings to my mind a dilemma: Do good designers make good
design lecturers (and supervisors)? In my opinion, the two are not
mutually exclusive. With over 12 years experience in practice and
academia, I can recount numerous examples of 'good' designers who do not
make 'good' lecturers, and conversely 'good' design lecturers that
cannot design for toffee!!! That said, they may enable students to
create excellent design work and develop influential design careers (a
long debate about what 'good' means no doubt will ensue...).

You say ...I'd therefore like to offer up the potentially controversial
position that PhD's that include practice as a research method should,
preferably, be supervised by academics that have considerable experience
as practitioners...

The key issue here relates to the validity and nature of the experience
as practitioners. Does considerable experience (length of service?)
imply this experience will result in the ability to effectively
supervise PhD's that include practice as a research?

In principle I agree that PhD's that include practice as a research
should be supervised by individuals that have experience as
practitioners, but... there are some supervisors who will never be able
to see 'examples of poor practice' irrespective of their level of
experience  as practitioners. Perhaps it comes down to nature of
experience as practitioners.

Thanks for an interesting post from a practitioner, lecturer, and (final
stage) PhD candidate.

M

Martyn Evans
Director - MA Design: Management and Policy
Lancaster University
T: +44 (0)1524 593435
W: www.imagination.lancaster.ac.uk/people/martyn_evans/

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by Alison Barnes :: Rate this Message:

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Hi Rob (and Robin and Mark)

Two things crossed my mind when reading your post...

1. 'their 15000 word thesis.' - 15,000 words - that sounds like an extended essay, not a thesis.

2. Cross-disciplinary practice - I am lucky enough to have a trio of supervisors - a graphic design theory professor, a graphic design practice professor and a professor of cultural geography - this mix fills me with confidence that my experience will be a rigorous and well supported one. I can't just pretend I know what I am talking about regarding the geographical equivalent of apostrophes and prime marks - it wouldn't wash!

You weren't on the 8.14 this morning - were you having a lie in?!

Alison

* * *

Alison Barnes
AHRC funded research student
School of Graphic Design, LCC
University of the Arts, London

http://geo-graphic.blogspot.com/
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Sent: 10 November 2009 20:54
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Subject: Re: PhD supervision of practice as a research method?

Mark and Robin

Earlier this year I saw a presentation by a recently qualified PhD
candidate with a background in Fine Art, who chose to use what I would
best describe as the process of Graphic Design to produce a
predominantly text based artifact to accompany their 15000 word thesis.

As a piece of 'graphic design', in my view, it was very poor, and
after questioning, it appeared the originator of the work had not
incorporated in their method any accountable investigation into the
conventions of practice in some core areas (typography, for example),
beyond what they could achieve with access to decent page layout
software.

I have therefore seen what you describe below from another
disciplinary perspective.

But one thing strikes me. As these PhDs surface, good and bad, the
opportunity will arise to compare and contrast different approaches,
and build a better understanding of how we account for reasonable
standards in 'design practice' as part of the research methodology,
and to what extent someone should master the conventions of design
practice if they choose a cross-disciplinary approach.

In the case I mention above, it meant understanding the difference
between an apostrophe and a prime (hatch) mark, amongst other things.

I speak as a practitioner turned PhD candidate.

Robert.


Robert Harland    Lecturer    Loughborough University    School of Art
and Design    +44 (0)1509 228980    r.g.harland@...
www.lboro.ac.uk/departments/ac/mainpages/Research/staffpages/harland/harland.htm




On 10 Nov 2009, at 16:19, Dr Mark Evans wrote:

> I have seen examples of poor practice that has contributed to PhD's in
> industrial/product design and have no problems articulating the
> deficiencies
> and impact this has on the research method. Unfortunately, their
> supervisors
> were unable to see this. I therefore have concerns that this may be a
> significant issue in the field of industrial/product design. It may
> also be an
> issue for other disciplines but have no evidence to substantiate this.

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by Katherine Hepworth-2 :: Rate this Message:

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Hi Mark, Martyn and all

Mark wrote:
I'd therefore like to offer up the potentially controversial
position that PhD's that include practice as a research method should,
preferably, be supervised by academics that have considerable experience
as practitioners

This sounds like a good idea. I don't know how it is in your part of the world, but at the moment here in Australia it is just not feasible. Perhaps in a decade or so it will be a more likely prospect. When I was hunting around for supervisors in Melbourne, Australia three years ago I was looking for the kind of supervisor you mention: an academic with a sound graphic design practise background. I soon realised there were no academics who fit the bill and were available to supervise. Academics with graphic design-phds seem to be in demand.

Martyn wrote:
In principle I agree that PhD's that include practice as a research
should be supervised by individuals that have experience as
practitioners, but... there are some supervisors who will never be able
to see 'examples of poor practice' irrespective of their level of
experience  as practitioners. Perhaps it comes down to nature of
experience as practitioners.

Martyn, you suggest that there are excellent design educators who, although not outstanding designers, have the skill of facilitating excellent design work. Perhaps these people, once they are qualified with a phd themselves, are the best to fit to supervise phds with a design practise element.

Best

Katherine




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PhD Candidate
National Institute of Design Research
Swinburne University of Technology

144 High Street Prahran
Victoria 3181 Australia

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by teena clerke :: Rate this Message:

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Hi all,

in my (limited) experience of doing a doctorate (in progress), it is
essential to have supervisors who are pedagogically sound in all the
relevant practices of the doctorate (designing, teaching designing,
supervising research and writing research) for students to produce
relevant scholarly knowledge. It's up to the student and supervisor/s
together to decide in which fields to locate the research, and this
is no easy task for design which is in the process of negotiating
disciplinary boundaries. However, there are pedagogic models of co-,
joint and collaborative supervision that might provide students
access to a number of people with skills in a range of these
practices, other than having one supervisor skilled in all.

In my doctorate about women and design scholarship (in process), I
have a supervisor well regarded and widely published in the fields of
Adult education, feminist research, doctoral pedagogies and research
writing (she was a geography teacher at schools in a previous life),
and a co-supervisor with a PhD in design education, and with many
years of teaching under her belt (she was a well regarded
professional designer in a previous life).

Together (all three of us) work my thesis to produce a rigorous,
relevant outcome that will speak to scholars in design and other
professional practice fields. It is a text-based PhD, and I draw on
my knowledge/skill as a graphic designer to lay out the text to
rhetorically support my argument/s. So while the focus is not on
designing, designing fundamentally informs my PhD.

One of the reasons I chose the research topic and also the
supervisors, is as Katherine says, there are few graphic design PhDs
in Australia, and noone in my vicinity who could have supervised this
project, so I have two supervisors who together provide what is
required. I also suggest it's possible (and desirable) in the interim
in Australia for students to seek supervisors in fields that are
empathetic to design, who also offer experience in other practices,
particularly those of doctoral pedagogies, so students can learn how
to locate the work, structure an argument, and write in a convincing
and appropriate way and at doctoral level. After all, in addition to
the thesis/artefact itself, the outcome of a PhD is the production of
a researcher with the capacity to conduct and disseminate independent
and scholarly research.

cheers, teena

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by Jose Luis Casamayor :: Rate this Message:

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Hi Mark,

 

After reading the paper there are some issues that are not totally clear to me. I will try to summarize them below:

 

1 - The first issue is that the word 'practice' is very tricky and it can mean many things in different contexts. For example, to me practice refers to professional practice. In that sense, to me there is no practice-based/non-practice based research, but just research, which involves practice in order to be mastered like many other activities.

 

2 - The second issue is that some of the type of practice-based research you mentioned in your paper might be considered (as you mentioned) action research, which is not new to research in other fields, and which has been adopted by design-research, among other methodologies from other fields.

 

3 - The third issue is addition to knowledge. Some of the PhDs examples you mentioned contribute to the traditional view of addition to knowledge (according to the natural science research approach), however other might not be adding to knowledge (in the traditional sense) but represent addition to the state of the art. Now, if these tools, artefacts, etc embody addition to knowledge too, or they just represent advanced product development practice? i do not know the answer, i am inclined to think they do, and commercial research is an example of that, however we should be aware that academic research and commercial research are not the same thing.

 

I hope this helps,

 

Jose    
 

> Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 16:19:04 +0000
> From: M.A.Evans@...
> Subject: PhD supervision of practice as a research method?
> To: PHD-DESIGN@...
>
> Having spent my early career as a practitioner; employed practice in my own
> PhD (industrial design); and now supervise/examine PhD's that include practice
> as a research method; I reflected on my experiences in the preparation of a
> paper for the 2009 International Conference of the DRS Special Interest Group
> on Experiential Knowledge (http://www.experientialknowledge.org/). When
> discussing the use of practice in research, I made the following comments in
> the abstract of my paper:
>
> "When considering the application of such methods, it is necessary to ask two
> key questions: can the process/outcomes supply robust data and does the
> researcher have the necessary capability as a practitioner to enable
> generalisations to be made. The latter issue brings into question the need for
> appropriate supervision, as judgements must be made on the capability of the
> researcher and quality/relevance of creative output i.e. do their supervisors
> need expertise in practice?".
>
> I have seen examples of poor practice that has contributed to PhD's in
> industrial/product design and have no problems articulating the deficiencies
> and impact this has on the research method. Unfortunately, their supervisors
> were unable to see this. I therefore have concerns that this may be a
> significant issue in the field of industrial/product design. It may also be an
> issue for other disciplines but have no evidence to substantiate this.
>
> I'd therefore like to offer up the potentially controversial position that PhD's
> that include practice as a research method should, preferably, be supervised
> by academics that have considerable experience as practitioners: plus a PhD
> of course!
     
_________________________________________________________________
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by Terence Love-2 :: Rate this Message:

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Dear Mark and all,

There is an argument lurking in the discussion that is one of the classic
fallacies (of the sort that PhD students should avoid!). Martyn draws
attention to it.

Avoiding fallacies in discussion and analysis is important because it  is
one of the core  skills of PhD study and PhD supervision.

Lurking  in the discussion is fallacious reasoning that follows the
following sequence,

Design practitioners are good at design.
Some design practitioners make good teachers.
PhD supervision sometimes involves some teaching.
Some design PhD students have practice as part of their PhD research.
Therefore the required skills of a PhD supervisor are those of a Design
practitioner"

This combines three fallacies:
1. The fallacy of proof through association ("I saw him in the same city.
Therefore it must have been him that did it")
2. The fallacy of partial proof (A shark can be a parent. Parents supervise
children swimming. Therefore, sharks are good at supervising children
swimming)
3. The fallacy of the excluded middle (A cat has four legs and a dog has
four legs therefore a cat is a dog)

Fundamentally the problem is of avoiding rhetorical reasoning that uses
fallacies.

The solution to use supervisors that help candidates avoid rhetorical
fallacious reasoning in their PhDs.

To identify suitable supervisors requires avoiding the same problems with
rhetorical fallacies and being straightforward: e.g. make a complete list of
the skills, competencies and experiences needed by the PhD supervisor and
ensure that the supervisor has those skills.

The only common training program for most of the necessary skills is a PhD
followed by being mentored for a few years by more experienced persons with
PhDs.

As a side note, one of the weaknesses of Art and Design PhD study
internationally is that for a decade or more we have had PhD candidates
coming though with poor supervision in reasoning skills and avoiding
rhetorical fallacies. This problem exists to the extent that a three or four
years ago one text aimed at PhD students openly advocated Design PhD
students committing research sins such as  presenting biased evidence,
giving false or contrived analyses and deceiving the reader - using any
rhetorical trick to persuade the reader to the author's position. At the
same time, the authors themselves (experienced and respected design
educators) used fallacious arguments to persuade PhD students that this was
normal and exemplary research and thesis writing behaviour. The book is
still in print and some supervisors and PhD students are using it. The
consequence will be that the same problems will propagate into the next
generation of Design PhDs. It's important for PhD students to be aware of
this problem in the field.

Best wishes,
Terry
____________________

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Director Design-focused Research Group, Design Out Crime Research Group
Researcher, Digital Ecosystems and Business Intelligence Institute
Associate,  Planning and Transport Research Centre
Curtin University, PO Box U1987, Perth, Western Australia 6845
Mob: 0434 975 848, Fax +61(0)8 9305 7629, t.love@...
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Management School, Lancaster University, Lancaster, UK
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Hi Mark

Your post brings to my mind a dilemma: Do good designers make good
design lecturers (and supervisors)? In my opinion, the two are not
mutually exclusive. With over 12 years experience in practice and
academia, I can recount numerous examples of 'good' designers who do not
make 'good' lecturers, and conversely 'good' design lecturers that
cannot design for toffee!!! That said, they may enable students to
create excellent design work and develop influential design careers (a
long debate about what 'good' means no doubt will ensue...).

You say ...I'd therefore like to offer up the potentially controversial
position that PhD's that include practice as a research method should,
preferably, be supervised by academics that have considerable experience
as practitioners...

The key issue here relates to the validity and nature of the experience
as practitioners. Does considerable experience (length of service?)
imply this experience will result in the ability to effectively
supervise PhD's that include practice as a research?