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	<title>Nabble - Photo Forum</title>
	<updated>2009-11-25T12:39:49Z</updated>
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26519983</id>
	<title>Re: FS Slow motion camera</title>
	<published>2009-11-25T12:39:49Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-25T12:39:49Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>ADavidhazy-2</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">Alberto,
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I was away for a couple of days - somewhat uneventful - but vision
&lt;br&gt;problems still with me - maybe hopefully the local medics taking care of me will
&lt;br&gt;help with cataract surgery and &amp;quot;dry eye&amp;quot;.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Anyway, i see no problem with forwarding info about the exilim - your intent is 
&lt;br&gt;to help others!
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Andy
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Alberto Tirado wrote:
&lt;br&gt;&lt;div class='shrinkable-quote'&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; I hope its OK to post this - I am in no way related to the seller!
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; I got notice of the sale of some photo-related items and among them is a Casio Exilim camera capable of &amp;quot;super-slow motion video&amp;quot;. Since someone brought this very issue recently, I thought that perhaps there would be some interest in checking out: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.webvideouniversity.com/officesale.html&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.webvideouniversity.com/officesale.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; **********************
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; www.alberto-tirado.com
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26515841</id>
	<title>FS Slow motion camera</title>
	<published>2009-11-25T08:28:12Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-25T08:28:12Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Alberto Tirado</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">I hope its OK to post this - I am in no way related to the seller!
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I got notice of the sale of some photo-related items and among them is a Casio Exilim camera capable of &amp;quot;super-slow motion video&amp;quot;. Since someone brought this very issue recently, I thought that perhaps there would be some interest in checking out: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.webvideouniversity.com/officesale.html&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.webvideouniversity.com/officesale.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;**********************
&lt;br&gt;www.alberto-tirado.com
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; 
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<entry>
	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26511864</id>
	<title>Re: Previous comment on my &quot;Contrasts&quot;</title>
	<published>2009-11-25T04:22:50Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-25T04:22:50Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Mark Harris</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">Dan,
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That puts the inclusion of the rest in a context I did not have. Now I 
&lt;br&gt;understand why all of that was included. The image is well done.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Mark Harris
&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=26511864&amp;i=0&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;gsphotoguy@...&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;lt;SNIP&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; As well as the tourists on the South bank, I included the water and the 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; distant North side of the river Thames deliberately, since the area 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; visible in the distance is probably the richest in London, in contrast to 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; the real subject. &amp;nbsp;This to my mind even more highlights the tremendous 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; gulf between the &amp;quot;haves&amp;quot; and the &amp;quot;have-nots&amp;quot;, especially in London - which 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; was my intended message in this picture.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Dan.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26507964</id>
	<title>Re: Convert JPG files to PDF</title>
	<published>2009-11-24T22:01:49Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-24T22:01:49Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>one week</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">By the way, the convertion between .doc files and PDF files is also needed.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;thanks in advance. &lt;div class=&quot;signature&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;img src=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/file/u1623797/222.jpg&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; /&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.iconcool.com&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.iconcool.com&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content>
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<entry>
	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26506747</id>
	<title>Re: How long?</title>
	<published>2009-11-24T18:36:13Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-24T18:36:13Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Gregory Stempel</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">My problem, is I don't remember when I first joined the group and was hoping 
&lt;br&gt;Andrew might tell me.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Take care out there,
&lt;br&gt;Gregory
&lt;br&gt;www.fireframeimaging.com
&lt;br&gt;www.ebbtidegalleryofgifts.com
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<entry>
	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26506162</id>
	<title>Re: How long?</title>
	<published>2009-11-24T17:21:34Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-24T17:21:34Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Elson T. Elizaga</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">Me around that time, too. One of my first questions was about how to 
&lt;br&gt;shoot the images on computer monitors.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Emily L. Ferguson wrote:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; The first piece of email I have in my mail reader from the Photoforum 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; is in 1999. &amp;nbsp;Jeez. &amp;nbsp;10 years. &amp;nbsp;Amazing.
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26495862</id>
	<title>Re: Previous comment on my &quot;Contrasts&quot; pt 2</title>
	<published>2009-11-24T05:22:20Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-24T05:22:20Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>MichaelHughes7A</name>
	</author>
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&lt;DIV&gt;I intended saying , best dressed for the task in hand.&lt;/DIV&gt;
&lt;DIV&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/DIV&gt;
&lt;DIV&gt;How I hate it when my laptop decides when it wants to send my mail.&lt;/DIV&gt;
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26495740</id>
	<title>Re: Previous comment on my &quot;Contrasts&quot;</title>
	<published>2009-11-24T05:20:06Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-24T05:20:06Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>MichaelHughes7A</name>
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&lt;DIV&gt;Within Dan's picture there is another contrast.&amp;nbsp; The seated mendicant 
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26492525</id>
	<title>Previous comment on my &quot;Contrasts&quot;</title>
	<published>2009-11-24T00:47:39Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-24T00:47:39Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Dan Mitchell-3</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">Mark Harris said -- &amp;nbsp;&amp;quot;Contrasts - I see the contrast of haves and have-nots but feel the water adds nothing to that. You did a nice job capturing the people.&amp;quot;
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As well as the tourists on the South bank, I included the water and the distant North side of the river Thames deliberately, since the area visible in the distance is probably the richest in London, in contrast to the real subject. &amp;nbsp;This to my mind even more highlights the tremendous gulf between the &amp;quot;haves&amp;quot; and the &amp;quot;have-nots&amp;quot;, especially in London - which was my intended message in this picture.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Dan.
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26490544</id>
	<title>Re: How long?</title>
	<published>2009-11-23T20:58:40Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-23T20:58:40Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Roger Eichhorn</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">I spent Fall 1996 in London and am pretty sure I was a member then. &amp;nbsp;I had just bought a Canon EOS Elan II, my first SLR, before leaving the US.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Roger
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;On 23 Nov 2009, at 12:49 PM, Emily L. Ferguson wrote:
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; The first piece of email I have in my mail reader from the Photoforum is in 1999. &amp;nbsp;Jeez. &amp;nbsp;10 years. &amp;nbsp;Amazing.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; -- 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Emily L. Ferguson
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; mailto:&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=26490544&amp;i=0&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;elf@...&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 508-563-6822
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; New England landscapes, wooden boats and races
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.landsedgephoto.com&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.landsedgephoto.com&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://e-and-s.instaproofs.com/&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://e-and-s.instaproofs.com/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
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<entry>
	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26489766</id>
	<title>Re: EXIF editor for Mac OS X.</title>
	<published>2009-11-23T18:51:43Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-23T18:51:43Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Joseph Chamberlain, D.D.S.</name>
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&lt;FONT FACE=&quot;Tahoma&quot;&gt;&lt;SPAN STYLE='font-size:12.0px'&gt;Hello Pablo.&lt;BR&gt;
&lt;BR&gt;
&lt;BR&gt;
Sorry for taking this long to reply.&lt;BR&gt;
&lt;BR&gt;
GIMP is available for Mac OS X. All you have to do is install the X11 environment as part of your OS install and it will run under X11 (a front end &amp;nbsp;GUI for UNIX). I chose not to install X11 when I installed OS X to save a little disk space. To install GIMP would require the kind of time I just don&amp;#8217;t have at this moment. Another reason is that I am not sure if this effort will pay off since I am not sure that GIMP will in fact edit the EXIF metadata. I will keep in mind for the future and thank you for your suggestion.&lt;BR&gt;
&lt;BR&gt;
Best regards,&lt;BR&gt;
&lt;BR&gt;
&lt;BR&gt;
Joseph&lt;BR&gt;
&lt;BR&gt;
&lt;HR ALIGN=CENTER SIZE=&quot;3&quot; WIDTH=&quot;95%&quot;&gt;On 11/16/09 11:39 PM, &amp;quot;Pablo Coronel&amp;quot; &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=26489766&amp;i=0&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;pablo.coronel.70@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt; wrote:&lt;BR&gt;
&lt;BR&gt;
&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;FONT FACE=&quot;Tahoma&quot;&gt;&lt;SPAN STYLE='font-size:12.0px'&gt;Is there GIMP for MacOS?&lt;BR&gt;
there is a GIMP extension to do this&lt;BR&gt;
&lt;BR&gt;
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 6:38 AM, Joseph Chamberlain, D.D.S. &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=26489766&amp;i=1&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;drjchamberlain@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt; wrote:&lt;BR&gt;
&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;FONT FACE=&quot;Tahoma&quot;&gt;&lt;SPAN STYLE='font-size:12.0px'&gt;I tried that at first but also realized that Adobe's products don't allow&lt;BR&gt;
you to change the EXIF data.&lt;BR&gt;
&lt;BR&gt;
After a lot of research I have been able to make the edits I needed using&lt;BR&gt;
Graphic Converter which is a frontend application (Mac) for Phil Harvey's&lt;BR&gt;
exiftool application.&lt;BR&gt;
&lt;BR&gt;
Thank you very much for your post and help.&lt;BR&gt;
&lt;BR&gt;
Joseph&lt;BR&gt;
&lt;BR&gt;
&lt;BR&gt;
On 11/4/09 5:00 AM, &amp;quot;Emily L. Ferguson&amp;quot; &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=26489766&amp;i=2&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;elf@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt; wrote:&lt;BR&gt;
&lt;BR&gt;
&amp;gt; Photoshop&lt;BR&gt;
&amp;gt; File&amp;gt;File Info or Cmd-Opt-Shft-I&lt;BR&gt;
&amp;gt;&lt;BR&gt;
&amp;gt; But you cannot change the info embedded by the camera.&lt;BR&gt;
&lt;BR&gt;
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<entry>
	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26488791</id>
	<title>Re: PF members exhibit on Nov 21, 2009</title>
	<published>2009-11-23T16:42:04Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-23T16:42:04Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Mark Harris</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">Hi all,
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Here are some of my thoughts:
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;lt;SNIP&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;Subject: PF members exhibit on Nov 21, 2009
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; The PhotoForum members' gallery/exhibit space was updated NOV 21, 2009. 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Authors
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; with work now on display at: &lt;a href=&quot;http://people.rit.edu/andpph/gallery.html&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://people.rit.edu/andpph/gallery.html&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; include:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;Jim Snarski - Hummie
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I like the composition of this image. I also like the blur in the wings. 
&lt;br&gt;This gives the sense of motion you don't always see in photographs of 
&lt;br&gt;hummingbirds.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;Christopher Strevens - Storm breakers at Rottingdean
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If the intent was to focus our attention on the breakers then you have much 
&lt;br&gt;too much sky. The sun in the frame distracts from that too.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;Stephen Ylvisaker -
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I feel that even less depth-of-field would have helped even if some of the 
&lt;br&gt;flowers were out of focus. You might have also moved some of the grasses out 
&lt;br&gt;of the way.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;Mark Harris - Inna at the Window
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thank you for the comments so far. I look forward to hearing from more of 
&lt;br&gt;you.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;John Palcewski - Sir Stephen Spender
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;An interesting background story. The well made portrait is all the better 
&lt;br&gt;with the information from your blog.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;Dan Mitchell - Contrasts
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I see the contrast of haves and have-nots but feel the water adds nothing to 
&lt;br&gt;that. You did a nice job capturing the people.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;Don Roberts - Foggy Morn
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I guess the choice is a straight horizon or tilted fence posts. I'm not sure 
&lt;br&gt;if this is the correct one but it is the choice you made. The field looks 
&lt;br&gt;like flowing water to me. That is a very nice touch.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;lt;SNIP&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; From: Delilah and the whole PF exhibits staff
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thank you again for all of your dedicated work!
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;lt;SNIP&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Mark Harris
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26486133</id>
	<title>RE: [SPAM] Re: &quot;By hand&quot; and more Wm Mortensen.</title>
	<published>2009-11-23T13:18:46Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-23T13:18:46Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>David Dyer-Bennet</name>
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	<content type="html">&lt;br&gt;On Mon, November 23, 2009 14:38, &lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=26486133&amp;i=0&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;lookaround360@...&lt;/a&gt; wrote:
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Damn Kodak for their slogan &amp;quot;You push the button - we do the rest.&amp;quot; !
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And the Jetsons, for showing how hard George had to work at his job!
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; One of the core disciplines of all print making is repeatability.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Absolutely. &amp;nbsp;It's a core part of the craft.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The variation is core knowledge the collectors need to understand.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; My print maker friends get all inked up and their output is &amp;quot;hand made.&amp;quot;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Same in the photo darkroom - wet, in the dark is good - ink jet printer
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; is only a copy machine. Hence the idiotic word &amp;quot;GeeeClaaaay&amp;quot; - sounds
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; arty cuz its french - for ink jet
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I thought that died 5 or 10 years ago; are people still using the term?
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; The fake and imitation have always been OK in art. Emulating the look of
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; other photo or art media may be authentic if you think their look
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; informs the idea you are going for even if only its a decorative effect.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Art is, after all, faking reality. &amp;nbsp;Or at least imitating it.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp;If you think photography is a form of drawing anything should go. &amp;nbsp;I
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; try and maintain a distance between &amp;quot;real&amp;quot;, or &amp;quot;straight&amp;quot; photos for
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; certain things I'm doing and drawings or mixed media effects. That is
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; why Ed M's techniques appeal to me
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I think it's reasonable to lump it all into &amp;quot;flat visual art&amp;quot;. &amp;nbsp;That's a
&lt;br&gt;real enough category (many of the subcategories are interesting in their
&lt;br&gt;own right, without ceasing to be part of the larger category).
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;-- 
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<entry>
	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26485881</id>
	<title>Re: How long?</title>
	<published>2009-11-23T13:05:00Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-23T13:05:00Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Don Roberts-2</name>
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&lt;font size=&quot;+1&quot;&gt;I retired in April of 1996 and I had been a member for
a while before I retired.&amp;nbsp; I believe that Douglas Ford Rea got me
interested when he was a speaker at a University Photographer's
Association symposium in Stephen's Point, WI.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/font&gt;&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
Emily L. Ferguson wrote:
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26485659</id>
	<title>RE: How long?</title>
	<published>2009-11-23T12:49:53Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-23T12:49:53Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Emily L. Ferguson-2</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">The first piece of email I have in my mail reader from the Photoforum 
&lt;br&gt;is in 1999. &amp;nbsp;Jeez. &amp;nbsp;10 years. &amp;nbsp;Amazing.
&lt;br&gt;-- 
&lt;br&gt;Emily L. Ferguson
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&lt;br&gt;508-563-6822
&lt;br&gt;New England landscapes, wooden boats and races
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26485426</id>
	<title>RE: tele converters</title>
	<published>2009-11-23T12:38:20Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-23T12:38:20Z</updated>
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		<name>James Schenken</name>
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&lt;p class=MsoNormal&gt;&lt;font size=2 color=navy face=Arial&gt;&lt;span style='font-size:
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&lt;p class=MsoNormal&gt;&lt;font size=2 color=navy face=Arial&gt;&lt;span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'&gt;I think you are confusing close-up lenses
with add-on convertors.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoNormal&gt;&lt;font size=2 color=navy face=Arial&gt;&lt;span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'&gt;For example: &lt;a name=desc target=&quot;_top&quot;&gt;the &lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/399276-REG/Canon_0803B001_TL_H27_1_7x_Telephoto_Converter.html&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=1 color=&quot;#0462be&quot; face=Verdana&gt;&lt;span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:
Verdana;color:#0462BE;text-decoration:none'&gt;TL-H27 27mm 1.7x Telephoto
Converter Lens for Canon Optura Digital Video Cameras&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;font size=1 face=Verdana&gt;&lt;span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana'&gt; &amp;nbsp;is
an add-on&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoNormal&gt;&lt;font size=1 face=Verdana&gt;&lt;span style='font-size:9.0pt;
font-family:Verdana'&gt;lens that provides a 1.7x effect when connected to a main
lens.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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&lt;p class=MsoNormal&gt;&lt;font size=2 color=navy face=Arial&gt;&lt;span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'&gt;This particular on has a 27mm filter size
but others are available in sizes up to 58mm I think,&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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&lt;p class=MsoNormal&gt;&lt;font size=2 color=navy face=Arial&gt;&lt;span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'&gt;Back to the original question about image
quality differences between tele-convertors and add-on convertors;
teleconvertors cost lens speed as you mention while add-on convertors seem not
to.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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&lt;p class=MsoNormal&gt;&lt;font size=2 color=black face=Verdana&gt;&lt;span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'&gt;I suspect that there
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&lt;p class=MsoNormal&gt;&lt;font size=2 color=black face=Verdana&gt;&lt;span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'&gt;One is to multiply the
focal length (and I really don't necessarily like this analogy but its the best
I can come up with before coffee) where you make a 200 mm lens have the
magnification of a 400 mm lens (or a 2x) that goes between the lens and the body.&amp;nbsp;
These usually add some softness, but have some advantages and
disadvantages.&amp;nbsp; They take up a lot of light.&amp;nbsp; The common ones are
1.4, 2.0 and 3.0 and they need, 1 stop, 2 stops or 3 stops of additional
light.&amp;nbsp; Not always a problem but occasionally is a major problem.&amp;nbsp;
Because of the nature of the glass, a 1.4 converter is usually sharper than a
2x and the 2x sharper than the 3x.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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photography has a bit of a different challenge.&amp;nbsp; They are designed to get
the ability to let the lens focus closer than it would be able to do so
otherwise.&amp;nbsp; In many cases the challenge is to get something small the same
size on film (or digital sensor) as it is in real life.&amp;nbsp; There are 2
options there.&amp;nbsp; The cheaper is close up filters that go on to the front of
the lens.&amp;nbsp; Because of the glass they tend to be softer than the other
option, but they are much cheaper.&amp;nbsp; The other method is called extension
tubes which go between the lens and body.&amp;nbsp; These are more expensive,
especially on auto focus because the electronics have to pass through the
tube.&amp;nbsp; This is really just a hollow tube and has no effect on sharpness at
close up distances (which is why its usually preferred) but it changes where a
lens can focus by moving it away from the camera body.&amp;nbsp; The longer tubes
move the lens further away from the body and changes where the focus is.&amp;nbsp; &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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	<title>RE: [SPAM] Re: &quot;By hand&quot; and more Wm Mortensen.</title>
	<published>2009-11-23T12:38:03Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-23T12:38:03Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>lookaround360</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">David 
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Damn Kodak for their slogan &amp;quot;You push the button - we do the rest.&amp;quot; !
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;One of the core disciplines of all print making is repeatability.
&lt;br&gt;My print maker friends get all inked up and their output is &amp;quot;hand made.&amp;quot;
&lt;br&gt;Same in the photo darkroom - wet, in the dark is good - ink jet printer
&lt;br&gt;is only a copy machine. Hence the idiotic word &amp;quot;GeeeClaaaay&amp;quot; - sounds
&lt;br&gt;arty cuz its french - for ink jet
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The fake and imitation have always been OK in art. Emulating the look of
&lt;br&gt;other photo or art media may be authentic if you think their look
&lt;br&gt;informs the idea you are going for even if only its a decorative effect.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp;If you think photography is a form of drawing anything should go. &amp;nbsp;I
&lt;br&gt;try and maintain a distance between &amp;quot;real&amp;quot;, or &amp;quot;straight&amp;quot; photos for
&lt;br&gt;certain things I'm doing and drawings or mixed media effects. That is
&lt;br&gt;why Ed M's techniques appeal to me
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&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Subject: [SPAM] Re: &amp;quot;By hand&amp;quot; and more Wm Mortensen.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; From: David Dyer-Bennet &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=26485427&amp;i=0&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;dd-b@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Date: Mon, November 23, 2009 12:53 pm
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; To: List for Photo/Imaging Educators - Professionals - Students
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=26485427&amp;i=1&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;photoforum@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; On Mon, November 23, 2009 09:42, &lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=26485427&amp;i=2&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;lookaround360@...&lt;/a&gt; wrote:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt; I was reminded while reading more on Wm Motensen that somehow using
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt; light and chemical soup, whether an alchemist like WM was or an
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt; empiricist like AA was, doing it &amp;quot;by hand&amp;quot; is popularly regarded more
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt; worthy than by mouse. For me his work is an example that completes the
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt; circle of so-called &amp;quot;hand&amp;quot; to digital art expression.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; The &amp;quot;by hand&amp;quot; is done per-print, the &amp;quot;by mouse&amp;quot; is done once per file and
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; you can then print as many identical prints as you like. &amp;nbsp;The hand prints
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; are thus &amp;quot;more unique&amp;quot;, and also cost more to make (including the time of
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; the person doing the making). &amp;nbsp;The inkjet prints are in some ways more
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; like photomechanical reproductions (no inherent technological limit on
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; quantity, VERY low print-to-print variation) than traditional art prints
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; (where even for stone lithographs, stone wear is visible when you compare
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; early and late prints in a run; woodcuts and metal etchings wear faster).
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; None of which quite addresses &amp;quot;more worthy&amp;quot;. &amp;nbsp;It does to some extent
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; justify higher prices. &amp;nbsp;(Adams is an interesting case to include since
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; while he did some limited portfolios, he didn't artificially limit print
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; editions.)
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt; I just got rid of the last odds n' ends of my darkroom stuff - gave it
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt; all away. I have to say with no modesty that I was good at the darkroom.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt; It isn't rocket surgery. I am but a novice at anything but the most
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt; routine PhotoShop skills. &amp;nbsp;PS requires at the very least, an equal
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt; amount of general technical skill and affords way more choices of
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt; particular manual skills. It is by no means easy. Why do people persist
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt; in devaluing art made with the aid of a computer?
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Same reason they devalue art made with a camera; anybody can push a button.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; I was fairly decent in the B&amp;W darkroom, I thought. &amp;nbsp;I was a better COLOR
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; printer about 10 minutes into my learning experience with Corel Photo
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Paint than I'd ever been in the darkroom, though (and I do still have some
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; of my own color darkroom prints in my collection).
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt; I am not squeamish about using PS plug-ins. &amp;nbsp;Are you? &amp;nbsp;Is it less
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt; worthy? Should or could the same result be gotten in the dark?
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; I'm squeamish about artistic effects in photoshop. &amp;nbsp;I'm not squeamish
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; about Noise Ninja or Focus Magic, or the Kodak (originally Applied Science
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Fiction) ROC plugin, or Color Mechanic. &amp;nbsp;There are some masking plugins
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; that I'd like to try, but since they cost more than photoshop, and I
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; suspect have the learning curve to match, I doubt I ever will. &amp;nbsp;(Masking
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; and blending modes and sharpening are my major areas of learning
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; currently.)
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; --
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<entry>
	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26483033</id>
	<title>Re: &quot;By hand&quot; and more Wm Mortensen.</title>
	<published>2009-11-23T09:53:25Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-23T09:53:25Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>David Dyer-Bennet</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">&lt;br&gt;On Mon, November 23, 2009 09:42, &lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=26483033&amp;i=0&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;lookaround360@...&lt;/a&gt; wrote:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; I was reminded while reading more on Wm Motensen that somehow using
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; light and chemical soup, whether an alchemist like WM was or an
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; empiricist like AA was, doing it &amp;quot;by hand&amp;quot; is popularly regarded more
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; worthy than by mouse. For me his work is an example that completes the
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; circle of so-called &amp;quot;hand&amp;quot; to digital art expression.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The &amp;quot;by hand&amp;quot; is done per-print, the &amp;quot;by mouse&amp;quot; is done once per file and
&lt;br&gt;you can then print as many identical prints as you like. &amp;nbsp;The hand prints
&lt;br&gt;are thus &amp;quot;more unique&amp;quot;, and also cost more to make (including the time of
&lt;br&gt;the person doing the making). &amp;nbsp;The inkjet prints are in some ways more
&lt;br&gt;like photomechanical reproductions (no inherent technological limit on
&lt;br&gt;quantity, VERY low print-to-print variation) than traditional art prints
&lt;br&gt;(where even for stone lithographs, stone wear is visible when you compare
&lt;br&gt;early and late prints in a run; woodcuts and metal etchings wear faster).
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;None of which quite addresses &amp;quot;more worthy&amp;quot;. &amp;nbsp;It does to some extent
&lt;br&gt;justify higher prices. &amp;nbsp;(Adams is an interesting case to include since
&lt;br&gt;while he did some limited portfolios, he didn't artificially limit print
&lt;br&gt;editions.)
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; I just got rid of the last odds n' ends of my darkroom stuff - gave it
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; all away. I have to say with no modesty that I was good at the darkroom.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; It isn't rocket surgery. I am but a novice at anything but the most
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; routine PhotoShop skills. &amp;nbsp;PS requires at the very least, an equal
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; amount of general technical skill and affords way more choices of
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; particular manual skills. It is by no means easy. Why do people persist
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; in devaluing art made with the aid of a computer?
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Same reason they devalue art made with a camera; anybody can push a button.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I was fairly decent in the B&amp;W darkroom, I thought. &amp;nbsp;I was a better COLOR
&lt;br&gt;printer about 10 minutes into my learning experience with Corel Photo
&lt;br&gt;Paint than I'd ever been in the darkroom, though (and I do still have some
&lt;br&gt;of my own color darkroom prints in my collection).
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; I am not squeamish about using PS plug-ins. &amp;nbsp;Are you? &amp;nbsp;Is it less
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; worthy? Should or could the same result be gotten in the dark?
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I'm squeamish about artistic effects in photoshop. &amp;nbsp;I'm not squeamish
&lt;br&gt;about Noise Ninja or Focus Magic, or the Kodak (originally Applied Science
&lt;br&gt;Fiction) ROC plugin, or Color Mechanic. &amp;nbsp;There are some masking plugins
&lt;br&gt;that I'd like to try, but since they cost more than photoshop, and I
&lt;br&gt;suspect have the learning curve to match, I doubt I ever will. &amp;nbsp;(Masking
&lt;br&gt;and blending modes and sharpening are my major areas of learning
&lt;br&gt;currently.)
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;-- 
&lt;br&gt;David Dyer-Bennet, &lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=26483033&amp;i=1&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;dd-b@...&lt;/a&gt;; &lt;a href=&quot;http://dd-b.net/&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://dd-b.net/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;Snapshots: &lt;a href=&quot;http://dd-b.net/dd-b/SnapshotAlbum/data/&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://dd-b.net/dd-b/SnapshotAlbum/data/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;Photos: &lt;a href=&quot;http://dd-b.net/photography/gallery/&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://dd-b.net/photography/gallery/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;Dragaera: &lt;a href=&quot;http://dragaera.info&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://dragaera.info&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;</content>
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<entry>
	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26482558</id>
	<title>Re: How long?</title>
	<published>2009-11-23T09:29:42Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-23T09:29:42Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Marilyn Dalrymple</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">Hi Andy,
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It's good hearing from you. &amp;nbsp;My husband just had eye surgery and now rarely 
&lt;br&gt;uses his glasses. &amp;nbsp;He is color blind, but now even sees colors better than 
&lt;br&gt;before. &amp;nbsp;You'll be just like new when your surgery is finished. &amp;nbsp;I'm glad to 
&lt;br&gt;hear you are doing well.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I've got to hunt for something to photograph for my Christmas card now. 
&lt;br&gt;Hmmm. &amp;nbsp;Maybe the puppy and kitten I just adopted will be good for something 
&lt;br&gt;besides sleepless nights after all{:-&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Marilyn
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;----- Original Message ----- 
&lt;br&gt;From: &amp;quot;Andrew Davidhazy&amp;quot; &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=26482558&amp;i=0&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;andpph@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;To: &amp;quot;List for Photo/Imaging Educators - Professionals - Students&amp;quot; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=26482558&amp;i=1&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;photoforum@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 8:20 AM
&lt;br&gt;Subject: RE: How long?
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;div class='shrinkable-quote'&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Thank you Marilyn for your kind words. I am on a whirlwind visit to 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Seattle for a overall check-up plus a specific one for cataracts - I think 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; eye surgery will take place in next couple of weeks. It is disconcerting 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; and a pain to see everything through a fog so to speak. Take care, andy
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; PS: If you all want to do the greeting cards project I think it could be 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; done. Send cards as you would contributions to the gallery but place the 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; word GREETINGS in the subject line.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; PS: PhotoForum started operation in late 1993 but at the time it was a 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; manually rebroadcast activity. In early 1994 it became a &amp;quot;listserver&amp;quot; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; controlled list.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; ________________________________________
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; From: &lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=26482558&amp;i=2&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;owner-photoforum@...&lt;/a&gt; 
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&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; [&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=26482558&amp;i=4&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;marilyn160@...&lt;/a&gt;]
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 6:50 AM
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; To: List for Photo/Imaging Educators - Professionals - Students
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Subject: Re: How long?
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; I believe I started corresponding with Photoforum around 1993 or 1994. 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; I've met some amazing people through this venue and appreciate all that 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Andy and staff does to keep it going. &amp;nbsp;Speaking of Andy - isn't it time 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; for our annual &amp;quot;Bravo and a heartfelt thank you&amp;quot; to Andy and staff? &amp;nbsp;Your 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; work is so appreciated, Andy, and you truly provide an exciting, 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; informational and fun venue for many people. &amp;nbsp;We couldn't do without you.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Are we doing Christmas cards this year?
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Marilyn
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
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<entry>
	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26482259</id>
	<title>Re: How long?</title>
	<published>2009-11-23T09:11:24Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-23T09:11:24Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Gregory Stempel</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">Andy,
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If you find some time, we can meet for coffee. Although I live in Gig 
&lt;br&gt;Harbor, I make it too Seattle quite often. I can give you a tour where my 
&lt;br&gt;wife works at the NS-ICU at Harborview's Trauma Center.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Take care out there,
&lt;br&gt;Gregory
&lt;br&gt;www.fireframeimaging.com
&lt;br&gt;www.ebbtidegalleryofgifts.com
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26481910</id>
	<title>RE: tele converters</title>
	<published>2009-11-23T08:53:53Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-23T08:53:53Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>mark-461</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">&lt;html&gt;&lt;body&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana; color:#000000; font-size:10pt;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;I suspect that there are two things you are a getting a bit confused, and that its easy to do.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;One is to multiply the focal length (and I really don't necessarily like this analogy but its the best I can come up with before coffee) where you make a 200 mm lens have the magnification of a 400 mm lens (or a 2x) that goes between the lens and the body.&amp;nbsp; These usually add some softness, but have some advantages and disadvantages.&amp;nbsp; They take up a lot of light.&amp;nbsp; The common ones are 1.4, 2.0 and 3.0 and they need, 1 stop, 2 stops or 3 stops of additional light.&amp;nbsp; Not always a problem but occasionally is a major problem.&amp;nbsp; Because of the nature of the glass, a 1.4 converter is usually sharper than a 2x and the 2x sharper than the 3x.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Close up or macro photography has a bit of a different challenge.&amp;nbsp; They are designed to get the ability to let the lens focus closer than it would be able to do so otherwise.&amp;nbsp; In many cases the challenge is to get something small the same size on film (or digital sensor) as it is in real life.&amp;nbsp; There are 2 options there.&amp;nbsp; The cheaper is close up filters that go on to the front of the lens.&amp;nbsp; Because of the glass they tend to be softer than the other option, but they are much cheaper.&amp;nbsp; The other method is called extension tubes which go between the lens and body.&amp;nbsp; These are more expensive, especially on auto focus because the electronics have to pass through the tube.&amp;nbsp; This is really just a hollow tube and has no effect on sharpness at close up distances (which is why its usually preferred) but it changes where a lens can focus by moving it away from the camera body.&amp;nbsp; The longer tubes move the lens further away from the body and changes where the focus is.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Both are designed to make things bigger, just one makes it bigger close and the other at a distance.&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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Subject: tele converters&lt;br&gt;
From: &lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=26481910&amp;i=0&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;MichaelHughes7A@...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;
Date: Mon, November 23, 2009 1:01 am&lt;br&gt;
To: List for Photo/Imaging Educators - Professionals - Students&lt;br&gt;
&amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=26481910&amp;i=1&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;photoforum@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt;&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
    &lt;font id=&quot;role_document&quot; color=&quot;#000000&quot; face=&quot;Arial&quot; size=&quot;2&quot;&gt; &lt;div&gt;There seem to be two approaches to multiplying the focal length of a lens.&lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt;The one that I am familiar with is the type which its between the camera body and the lens,&lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt;The other method is to use a supplementary lens which screws into the filter mount.&lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt;The second (outboard) method seems to be simpler and cheaper and quicker to change so I guess there must be a downside.&lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt;Your comments would be appreciated.&amp;nbsp; Thank you.&amp;nbsp; Michael&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/font&gt; 
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<entry>
	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26481315</id>
	<title>RE: How long?</title>
	<published>2009-11-23T08:20:32Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-23T08:20:32Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>ADavidhazy-2</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">Thank you Marilyn for your kind words. I am on a whirlwind visit to Seattle for a overall check-up plus a specific one for cataracts - I think eye surgery will take place in next couple of weeks. It is disconcerting and a pain to see everything through a fog so to speak. Take care, andy
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;PS: If you all want to do the greeting cards project I think it could be done. Send cards as you would contributions to the gallery but place the word GREETINGS in the subject line.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;PS: PhotoForum started operation in late 1993 but at the time it was a manually rebroadcast activity. In early 1994 it became a &amp;quot;listserver&amp;quot; controlled list.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;________________________________________
&lt;br&gt;From: &lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=26481315&amp;i=0&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;owner-photoforum@...&lt;/a&gt; [&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=26481315&amp;i=1&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;owner-photoforum@...&lt;/a&gt;] On Behalf Of Marilyn [&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=26481315&amp;i=2&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;marilyn160@...&lt;/a&gt;]
&lt;br&gt;Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 6:50 AM
&lt;br&gt;To: List for Photo/Imaging Educators - Professionals - Students
&lt;br&gt;Subject: Re: How long?
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I believe I started corresponding with Photoforum around 1993 or 1994. &amp;nbsp;I've met some amazing people through this venue and appreciate all that Andy and staff does to keep it going. &amp;nbsp;Speaking of Andy - isn't it time for our annual &amp;quot;Bravo and a heartfelt thank you&amp;quot; to Andy and staff? &amp;nbsp;Your work is so appreciated, Andy, and you truly provide an exciting, informational and fun venue for many people. &amp;nbsp;We couldn't do without you.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Are we doing Christmas cards this year?
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Marilyn
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;</content>
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<entry>
	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26480427</id>
	<title>&quot;By hand&quot; and more Wm Mortensen.</title>
	<published>2009-11-23T07:42:18Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-23T07:42:18Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>lookaround360</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">I was reminded while reading more on Wm Motensen that somehow using
&lt;br&gt;light and chemical soup, whether an alchemist like WM was or an
&lt;br&gt;empiricist like AA was, doing it &amp;quot;by hand&amp;quot; is popularly regarded more
&lt;br&gt;worthy than by mouse. For me his work is an example that completes the
&lt;br&gt;circle of so-called &amp;quot;hand&amp;quot; to digital art expression.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I just got rid of the last odds n' ends of my darkroom stuff - gave it
&lt;br&gt;all away. I have to say with no modesty that I was good at the darkroom.
&lt;br&gt;It isn't rocket surgery. I am but a novice at anything but the most
&lt;br&gt;routine PhotoShop skills. &amp;nbsp;PS requires at the very least, an equal
&lt;br&gt;amount of general technical skill and affords way more choices of
&lt;br&gt;particular manual skills. It is by no means easy. Why do people persist
&lt;br&gt;in devaluing art made with the aid of a computer? &amp;nbsp;
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I am not squeamish about using PS plug-ins. &amp;nbsp;Are you? &amp;nbsp;Is it less
&lt;br&gt;worthy? Should or could the same result be gotten in the dark?
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;More MM stuff:
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<entry>
	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26476786</id>
	<title>Re: How long?</title>
	<published>2009-11-23T03:50:29Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-23T03:50:29Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Marilyn Dalrymple</name>
	</author>
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&lt;DIV&gt;I believe I started corresponding with Photoforum around 1993 or 
1994.&amp;nbsp; I've met some amazing people through this venue and appreciate all 
that Andy and staff does to keep it going.&amp;nbsp; Speaking of Andy - isn't it 
time for our annual &quot;Bravo and a heartfelt thank you&quot;&amp;nbsp;to Andy and 
staff?&amp;nbsp; Your work is so appreciated, Andy, and you truly provide an 
exciting, informational and fun venue for many people.&amp;nbsp; We couldn't do 
without you.&lt;/DIV&gt;
&lt;DIV&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/DIV&gt;
&lt;DIV&gt;Are we doing Christmas cards this year?&lt;/DIV&gt;
&lt;DIV&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/DIV&gt;
&lt;DIV&gt;Marilyn&lt;/DIV&gt;
&lt;BLOCKQUOTE style=&quot;BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px&quot; dir=ltr&gt;
  &lt;DIV style=&quot;FONT: 10pt arial&quot;&gt;----- Original Message ----- &lt;/DIV&gt;
  &lt;DIV style=&quot;FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black&quot;&gt;&lt;B&gt;From:&lt;/B&gt; 
  &lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=26476786&amp;i=0&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;MichaelHughes7A@...&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/DIV&gt;
  &lt;DIV style=&quot;FONT: 10pt arial&quot;&gt;&lt;B&gt;To:&lt;/B&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=26476786&amp;i=1&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;photoforum@...&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/DIV&gt;
  &lt;DIV style=&quot;FONT: 10pt arial&quot;&gt;&lt;B&gt;Sent:&lt;/B&gt; Sunday, November 22, 2009 10:49 
  PM&lt;/DIV&gt;
  &lt;DIV style=&quot;FONT: 10pt arial&quot;&gt;&lt;B&gt;Subject:&lt;/B&gt; Re: How long?&lt;/DIV&gt;
  &lt;DIV&gt;&lt;BR&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;FONT id=role_document color=#000000 size=2 face=Arial&gt;
  &lt;DIV&gt;
  &lt;DIV&gt;In a message dated 23/11/2009 01:43:35 GMT Standard Time, &lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=26476786&amp;i=2&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;fyrframe@...&lt;/a&gt; 
writes:&lt;/DIV&gt;
  &lt;BLOCKQUOTE style=&quot;BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px&quot;&gt;&lt;FONT style=&quot;BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent&quot; color=#000000 size=2 face=Arial&gt;I 
    would be interested in learning how long I've been a member of this forum? 
    &lt;BR&gt;Anyone else?&lt;BR&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;
  &lt;DIV&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;
  &lt;DIV&gt;Why would we, just good to have you around, Gregory. 
Michael&lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/BODY&gt;&lt;/HTML&gt;
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<entry>
	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26473524</id>
	<title>tele converters</title>
	<published>2009-11-22T23:01:34Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-22T23:01:34Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>MichaelHughes7A</name>
	</author>
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&lt;DIV&gt;There seem to be two approaches to multiplying the focal length of a 
lens.&lt;/DIV&gt;
&lt;DIV&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/DIV&gt;
&lt;DIV&gt;The one that I am familiar with is the type which its between the camera 
body and the lens,&lt;/DIV&gt;
&lt;DIV&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/DIV&gt;
&lt;DIV&gt;The other method is to use a supplementary lens which screws into the 
filter mount.&lt;/DIV&gt;
&lt;DIV&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/DIV&gt;
&lt;DIV&gt;The second (outboard) method seems to be simpler and cheaper and quicker to 
change so I guess there must be a downside.&lt;/DIV&gt;
&lt;DIV&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/DIV&gt;
&lt;DIV&gt;Your comments would be appreciated.&amp;nbsp; Thank you.&amp;nbsp; 
Michael&lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/BODY&gt;&lt;/HTML&gt;
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26473484</id>
	<title>Re: How long?</title>
	<published>2009-11-22T22:49:57Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-22T22:49:57Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>MichaelHughes7A</name>
	</author>
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&lt;DIV&gt;
&lt;DIV&gt;In a message dated 23/11/2009 01:43:35 GMT Standard Time, 
&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=26473484&amp;i=0&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;fyrframe@...&lt;/a&gt; writes:&lt;/DIV&gt;
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  be interested in learning how long I've been a member of this forum? 
  &lt;BR&gt;Anyone else?&lt;BR&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;
&lt;DIV&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;
&lt;DIV&gt;Why would we, just good to have you around, Gregory. 
Michael&lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/BODY&gt;&lt;/HTML&gt;
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<entry>
	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26472197</id>
	<title>Convert JPG files to PDF</title>
	<published>2009-11-22T19:11:13Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-22T19:11:13Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>one week</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">&lt;b&gt;I want to convert some files in JPG and GIF to PDF files. And there may are a large number of files, so which tool is much convenient? 
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thanks in advance.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;img class='smiley' src='http://old.nabble.com/images/smiley/smiley_beam.gif' /&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;signature&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;img src=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/file/u1623797/222.jpg&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; /&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.iconcool.com&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.iconcool.com&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content>
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<entry>
	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26471716</id>
	<title>Re: Photoshop Work Flow / Well another day, another day on the phone</title>
	<published>2009-11-22T17:53:19Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-22T17:53:19Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Emily L. Ferguson-2</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">On 11/22/09 8:23 PM, &lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=26471716&amp;i=0&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;PhotoRoy6@...&lt;/a&gt; wrote:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; I'll look for it. I used workspaces in PS 7.0 to navigate large
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; distances by having about ten workspaces saved
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;Not sure what you mean about navigating long distances. &amp;nbsp;Do you mean 
&lt;br&gt;from folder to folder, perhaps? &amp;nbsp;If so, in Bridge I have four tabs set 
&lt;br&gt;up in the left column - Folders, Filters, Metadata and Keywords.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;To see Metadata for any image I just click on the image and click on the 
&lt;br&gt;Metadata Tab to see the info. &amp;nbsp;To get from one folder to another I just 
&lt;br&gt;click on the Folders Tab and my entire computer's folder structure is 
&lt;br&gt;then accessible. &amp;nbsp;To sort through the images I use the various options 
&lt;br&gt;in the Filters Tab - one can sort by keyword, by orientation of image, 
&lt;br&gt;by date of image, by colorspace, by number of stars - you name it you 
&lt;br&gt;can pretty much sort by it.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But my workspace is with the Tabs in a single column on the left, a film 
&lt;br&gt;strip across the bottom, and the large image above the film strip. &amp;nbsp;I do 
&lt;br&gt;not use a column on the right side. &amp;nbsp;By dragging the Tab for any Tab 
&lt;br&gt;that comes up on the Right over to the left side, I eliminate the Right 
&lt;br&gt;column.
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26471619</id>
	<title>Re: Photoshop Work Flow / Well another day, another day on the phone</title>
	<published>2009-11-22T17:38:29Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-22T17:38:29Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>PhotoRoy6</name>
	</author>
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&lt;DIV&gt;This should read I &lt;U&gt;can't&lt;/U&gt;&lt;FONT style=&quot;BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent&quot; color=#000000 size=3 face=Arial&gt;&amp;nbsp;get them both open at the same time which 
is what browser does.&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;
&lt;DIV&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/DIV&gt;
&lt;DIV&gt;In a message dated 11/22/2009 8:29:09 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=26471619&amp;i=0&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;PhotoRoy6@...&lt;/a&gt; writes:&lt;/DIV&gt;
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  &lt;BLOCKQUOTE style=&quot;PADDING-LEFT: 10px; MARGIN-LEFT: 10px&quot;&gt;&lt;FONT style=&quot;BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent&quot; color=#000000 size=3 face=Arial&gt;can 
    get them both open at the same time which is what browser 
  does.&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/BODY&gt;&lt;/HTML&gt;
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<entry>
	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26471617</id>
	<title>How long?</title>
	<published>2009-11-22T17:33:59Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-22T17:33:59Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Gregory Stempel</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">I would be interested in learning how long I've been a member of this forum? 
&lt;br&gt;Anyone else?
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Take care out there,
&lt;br&gt;Gregory
&lt;br&gt;www.fireframeimaging.com
&lt;br&gt;www.ebbtidegalleryofgifts.com
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<entry>
	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26471521</id>
	<title>Re: Photoshop Work Flow / Well another day, another day on the phone</title>
	<published>2009-11-22T17:23:46Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-22T17:23:46Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>PhotoRoy6</name>
	</author>
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&lt;DIV&gt;
&lt;DIV&gt;I'll look for it. I used workspaces in PS 7.0 to navigate large distances 
by having about ten workspaces saved &lt;/DIV&gt;
&lt;DIV&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/DIV&gt;
&lt;DIV&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/DIV&gt;
&lt;DIV&gt;In a message dated 11/21/2009 7:01:42 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=26471521&amp;i=0&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;elf@...&lt;/a&gt; writes:&lt;/DIV&gt;
&lt;BLOCKQUOTE style=&quot;PADDING-LEFT: 10px; MARGIN-LEFT: 10px&quot;&gt;&lt;FONT style=&quot;BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent&quot; color=#000000 size=2 face=Arial&gt;once you 
  have your workspace set up exactly the way you want it, save &lt;BR&gt;it.&amp;nbsp; 
  There's a command somewhere (my computer's dead so I cant' recall &lt;BR&gt;exactly 
  which menu it's in, but it's there).&amp;nbsp; Call it Roy's workspace, &lt;BR&gt;and 
  then when the windows get all messed up just select it and &lt;BR&gt;everything goes 
  back to the way you customized it.&lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;these applications are extremely 
  powerful.&amp;nbsp; Poke around in all the menus &lt;BR&gt;when something seems kludgy 
  and look for the possible solution!&lt;BR&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;
&lt;DIV&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26471520</id>
	<title>Re: Photoshop Work Flow / Well another day, another day on the phone</title>
	<published>2009-11-22T17:21:19Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-22T17:21:19Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>PhotoRoy6</name>
	</author>
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	<title>Re: WW2 pics - any suggestions?</title>
	<published>2009-11-22T14:04:11Z</published>
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At 04:50 PM 11/22/2009, you wrote:&lt;br&gt;
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&lt;dd&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#0000FF&quot;&gt;The file was too big to send. Do you have a FAX
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You can use YouSendIt to send really large files.&amp;nbsp; It's free.&amp;nbsp;
I use it all the time:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;
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	<title>Re: WW2 images</title>
	<published>2009-11-22T13:57:50Z</published>
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&lt;FONT FACE=&quot;Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial&quot;&gt;&lt;SPAN STYLE='font-size:11pt'&gt;Thanks Trevor, I was kind of thinking along the lines of staging images, in as far as getting the kids to pose in a way that could be cut out and stuck onto an original period photograph (whether that be a war scene, or a &amp;#8216;home front&amp;#8217; type situation). Staging a whole image may be tricky in terms of props/background etc. &lt;BR&gt;
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I also thought I might just get them to do old style studio portraits, as then I don&amp;#8217;t need to worry about back ground so much (can just use some cloth etc). &lt;BR&gt;
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All looks like fun though. Will let you know how I get on with kar2ouch.&lt;BR&gt;
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On 22/11/2009 19:52, &amp;quot;Trevor Cunningham&amp;quot; &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;trevor@chalkjockeys.com&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;trevor@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt; wrote:&lt;BR&gt;
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&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;FONT FACE=&quot;Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial&quot;&gt;&lt;SPAN STYLE='font-size:11pt'&gt;Kar2ouche seems to be a big button school tool that requires minimal instruction. Let me know how the sepia goes. Why not have the kids try to stage replica images of the events you're aiming for? A little imagination goes a long way to reaching them and relieving you.&lt;BR&gt;
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jonathan turner wrote: &lt;BR&gt;
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Apologies for my delayed reply... Been away for a couple of days (in very wet Cumbria, UK) &lt;BR&gt;
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Many thanks for all your input regarding obtaining WW2 images for the educational project I'm working on. There's some useful links and stuff there for me. &lt;BR&gt;
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Trevor - no the kids don't have PS access. All they have is something called Kar2ouch. Ever heard of it? I've not yet had a chance to use it so not sure what it's capable of. I need to turn the photos sepia, so hope it can do that at the very least. Also, in answer to your question about my site; I don't know how it was built (floating or I frame etc) I just paid some one to build it for me. But yes, simplicity was what I wanted, so thanks for your comments.&lt;BR&gt;
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And thanks to Michael too for your thoughts on my site.&lt;BR&gt;
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26469958</id>
	<title>Re: WW2 pics - any suggestions?</title>
	<published>2009-11-22T13:50:24Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-22T13:50:24Z</updated>
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		<name>jonathan turner-2</name>
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&lt;FONT FACE=&quot;Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial&quot;&gt;&lt;SPAN STYLE='font-size:11pt'&gt;Hi Chris, sadly I don&amp;#8217;t have a fax. Perhaps you could save it as a slightly smaller image, or smaller quality jpeg?&lt;BR&gt;
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I appreciate the effort you&amp;#8217;ve gone to Chris, &lt;BR&gt;
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Many thanks.&lt;BR&gt;
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Jonathan.&lt;BR&gt;
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On 22/11/2009 19:36, &amp;quot;Chris&amp;quot; &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;cjrs@chrisspages.co.uk&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;cjrs@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt; wrote:&lt;BR&gt;
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&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;FONT FACE=&quot;Arial&quot;&gt;Chris&lt;BR&gt;
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Hi Chris, anything on the home front or Blitz would be great! &lt;BR&gt;
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Cheers,&lt;BR&gt;
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Jonathan.&lt;BR&gt;
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On 22/11/2009 08:06, &amp;quot;Chris&amp;quot; &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;cjrs@chrisspages.co.uk&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;cjrs@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt; wrote:&lt;BR&gt;
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Jonathan,&lt;BR&gt;
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Did you use a &amp;nbsp;floating, or i, frame for your website? I like its simplicity.&lt;BR&gt;
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jonathan &amp;nbsp;turner wrote: &lt;BR&gt;
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I'm doing a project in &amp;nbsp;a school based on &amp;nbsp;the idea of using Photography as a catalyst to &amp;nbsp;improve literacy. The school &amp;nbsp;are doing World War 2 as their terms &amp;nbsp;theme, so we plan to get the kids to take &amp;nbsp;pictures of each other and &amp;nbsp;then cut them selves out and stick onto a WW2 &amp;nbsp;scene, which they can &amp;nbsp;then make into a postcard and write on the back of. &amp;nbsp;&lt;BR&gt;
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I need &amp;nbsp;some WW2 pictures from the internet (ideally anything to do &amp;nbsp;with 'the &amp;nbsp;home front', or the blitz, or evacuation but any will do really). &amp;nbsp;The &amp;nbsp;problem is that pictures off the net are never high enough resolution to &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;print from and therefore difficult to use for this purpose. &amp;nbsp;&lt;BR&gt;
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Has anyone &amp;nbsp;any suggestions - either a web page that has good &amp;nbsp;quality resolution pictures &amp;nbsp;or some good books I can easily get hold &amp;nbsp;of, or good tips for projecting the &amp;nbsp;images and then photographing the &amp;nbsp;kids in front of them?&lt;BR&gt;
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Any help &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;appreciated.&lt;BR&gt;
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Cheers,&lt;BR&gt;
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Jonathan.&lt;BR&gt;
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