PostGIS - hibernate - EJB3

[Norman Barker-3]

Hi,

There has been a lot of activity with the hibernate postgis driver, just
everyone thinks it isn't of interest to the list and mail me directly!!
(I have no problem with this).

The major update is the spatial dialect for ejb3 (hibernate) allowing
you to make spatial queries in object space, e.g. select obj from
mytable where spatial.within(obj.box, ...)

The code is in SVN, but I don't believe it is in postgis.jar, it is
heavily dependent on the JDBC driver and hibernate for its
functionality.

Thanks,

Norman

-----Original Message-----
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rabbiaqaswar
Sent: 10 April 2007 13:29
To: postgis-users@...
Subject: [postgis-users] RE: PostGIS - hibernate (new postgis.jar)


Thankyou all for the support.

I  am using EJB3 with PostgreSQL & JBoss. Read through the tutorial on
svn
by Norman Barker. I compiled the GeometryType java file in
org.postgis.hibernate and included the org.postgis.hibernate package in
my
classpath and the whole thing worked.

Since the last post on this forum was in November 2006, i wanted to know
that is there any change in the method to handle gis data from
postgresql
tables using ejb3 architecture? Is the GeometryType class by Norman
included
in the latest release of postgis.jar or should it be included seperately
like i mentioned above?

Thanks again


Norman Barker-3 wrote:
>
>
> I think I missed the start of this thread (and I can't find it in the
> archives), can you summarize the problem, and the server you are
using?

>
>
> The GeometryUserType class doesn't do very much but call out to the
> utility functions provided in the postgis jar, so it does sound like a
> classpath issue.
>
> If you can send me a summary I will try to recreate the problem.  (I
> have both tomcat and jboss set up here).
>
> If the attachment is large please send it to

norman.barker<at>gmail.com
>
> Thanks,
>
> Norman
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: postgis-users-bounces@...
> [mailto:postgis-users-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
Jan

> Syryn
> Sent: 27 November 2006 16:39
> To: 'PostGIS Users Discussion'
> Subject: RE: [postgis-users] PostGIS - hibernate (new postgis.jar)
>
> ***********************
> Warning: Your file, postgis2.jar, contains more than 32 files after
> decompression and cannot be scanned.
> ***********-***********
>
>
> Hi Markus,
>
> The thing I did to be able to continue is I have created a
> postgis_addon.jar
> lib that contained only new stuff like BinaryWriter.class and
> GeometryUserType.
> And that works. It does not solve the problem, though I can use the
> latest
> version of postgis.
>
> I tried to use the tip I found in my previous posting by changing the
> name
> of the postgresql-jdbc.jar drvier to pg-jdbc.jar driver with my new
> build
> postgis2.jar (version 1.1.5)
> I did not help.  
> If I remove the 2 stub files (PGConnection and Connection) from
> postgis2.jar
> : same result.
> It stucks again on "No suitable driver".
> If I replace the postgis2.jar by postgis.jar(1.1.0) and
> postgis_addon.jar by
> changing the settings on the classpath, everything works again.
>
> So, I assume there is a thing in postgis2.jar.
> And to create my postgis2.jar, I made a separate project in Eclipse,
> created
> a jar file of almost all java files(exl examples). This should do it,

no
> ?
>
> Anyway, I included my postgis2.jar so maybe one can replace his one
with

> mine and see what that does.
> Or maybe one sees what I am doing wrong elsewhere...
>
> TIA,
> Jan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: postgis-users-bounces@...
> [mailto:postgis-users-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
> Markus
> Schaber
> Sent: samedi 25 novembre 2006 10:16
> To: PostGIS Users Discussion
> Subject: Re: [postgis-users] RE: RE: RE: PostGIS - hibernate - EJB3
>
> Hi,
>
> Norman Barker wrote:
>
>> 2. In the thread here, people are using:
>> <driver-class>org.postgis.DriverWrapper</driver-class>
>> When I do the same, I get a "No suitable driver" exception.
>
> [...]
>> 3. I wanted to use the GeometryType that is packed in PostGIS 1.1.5.
>> After generating the new JAR and replacing the old one by this one, I

>> start getting new exceptions:
>> The class org.postgis.PGbox3d does not implement
>> org.postgresql.util.PGobject.
>
> Those 2 things look like a classpath/classloader problem.
>
> You have to make sure that the postgis.jar and the postgresql-jdbc.jar
> are
> available via the same classloader (and that you don't have two
> incarnations
> of them in your classpath)
>
>
> HTH,
> Markus
>
>
> --
> Markus Schaber | Logical Tracking&Tracing International AG
> Dipl. Inf.     | Software Development GIS
>
> Fight against software patents in Europe! www.ffii.org
> www.nosoftwarepatents.org
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[rabbiaqaswar]

Hello

Thanks for your reply. I found this svn link from your earlier posts in this topic, which has that ejb3spatial.pdf file. Can you please tell me which svn link has the latest information.

Many Thanks

Norman Barker-3 wrote:

Hi,

There has been a lot of activity with the hibernate postgis driver, just
everyone thinks it isn't of interest to the list and mail me directly!!
(I have no problem with this).

The major update is the spatial dialect for ejb3 (hibernate) allowing
you to make spatial queries in object space, e.g. select obj from
mytable where spatial.within(obj.box, ...)

The code is in SVN, but I don't believe it is in postgis.jar, it is
heavily dependent on the JDBC driver and hibernate for its
functionality.

Thanks,

Norman

-----Original Message-----
From: [e-mail]
[mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf Of
rabbiaqaswar
Sent: 10 April 2007 13:29
To: [e-mail]
Subject: [postgis-users] RE: PostGIS - hibernate (new postgis.jar)


Thankyou all for the support.

I  am using EJB3 with PostgreSQL & JBoss. Read through the tutorial on
svn
by Norman Barker. I compiled the GeometryType java file in
org.postgis.hibernate and included the org.postgis.hibernate package in
my
classpath and the whole thing worked.

Since the last post on this forum was in November 2006, i wanted to know
that is there any change in the method to handle gis data from
postgresql
tables using ejb3 architecture? Is the GeometryType class by Norman
included
in the latest release of postgis.jar or should it be included seperately
like i mentioned above?

Thanks again


Norman Barker-3 wrote:
>
>
> I think I missed the start of this thread (and I can't find it in the
> archives), can you summarize the problem, and the server you are
using?
>
>
> The GeometryUserType class doesn't do very much but call out to the
> utility functions provided in the postgis jar, so it does sound like a
> classpath issue.
>
> If you can send me a summary I will try to recreate the problem.  (I
> have both tomcat and jboss set up here).
>
> If the attachment is large please send it to
norman.barker<at>gmail.com
>
> Thanks,
>
> Norman
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [e-mail]
> [mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf Of
Jan
> Syryn
> Sent: 27 November 2006 16:39
> To: 'PostGIS Users Discussion'
> Subject: RE: [postgis-users] PostGIS - hibernate (new postgis.jar)
>
> ***********************
> Warning: Your file, postgis2.jar, contains more than 32 files after
> decompression and cannot be scanned.
> ***********-***********
>
>
> Hi Markus,
>
> The thing I did to be able to continue is I have created a
> postgis_addon.jar
> lib that contained only new stuff like BinaryWriter.class and
> GeometryUserType.
> And that works. It does not solve the problem, though I can use the
> latest
> version of postgis.
>
> I tried to use the tip I found in my previous posting by changing the
> name
> of the postgresql-jdbc.jar drvier to pg-jdbc.jar driver with my new
> build
> postgis2.jar (version 1.1.5)
> I did not help.  
> If I remove the 2 stub files (PGConnection and Connection) from
> postgis2.jar
> : same result.
> It stucks again on "No suitable driver".
> If I replace the postgis2.jar by postgis.jar(1.1.0) and
> postgis_addon.jar by
> changing the settings on the classpath, everything works again.
>
> So, I assume there is a thing in postgis2.jar.
> And to create my postgis2.jar, I made a separate project in Eclipse,
> created
> a jar file of almost all java files(exl examples). This should do it,
no
> ?
>
> Anyway, I included my postgis2.jar so maybe one can replace his one
with
> mine and see what that does.
> Or maybe one sees what I am doing wrong elsewhere...
>
> TIA,
> Jan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [e-mail]
> [mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf Of
> Markus
> Schaber
> Sent: samedi 25 novembre 2006 10:16
> To: PostGIS Users Discussion
> Subject: Re: [postgis-users] RE: RE: RE: PostGIS - hibernate - EJB3
>
> Hi,
>
> Norman Barker wrote:
>
>> 2. In the thread here, people are using:
>> <driver-class>org.postgis.DriverWrapper</driver-class>
>> When I do the same, I get a "No suitable driver" exception.
>
> [...]
>> 3. I wanted to use the GeometryType that is packed in PostGIS 1.1.5.
>> After generating the new JAR and replacing the old one by this one, I

>> start getting new exceptions:
>> The class org.postgis.PGbox3d does not implement
>> org.postgresql.util.PGobject.
>
> Those 2 things look like a classpath/classloader problem.
>
> You have to make sure that the postgis.jar and the postgresql-jdbc.jar
> are
> available via the same classloader (and that you don't have two
> incarnations
> of them in your classpath)
>
>
> HTH,
> Markus
>
>
> --
> Markus Schaber | Logical Tracking&Tracing International AG
> Dipl. Inf.     | Software Development GIS
>
> Fight against software patents in Europe! www.ffii.org
> www.nosoftwarepatents.org
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>
>

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[Norman Barker-3]

Hi,

I appreciate your confusion it took me a while to work out what was
going on (I don't have commit access :-( )

The dialect has been put in its own folder called hibernate at
http://svn.refractions.net/postgis/trunk/java/

you will also need the user type from the ejb3 folder.  Really they
should be together, my fault I should have communicated this better to
Markus.

Let me know I can be of help.

Thanks,

Norman

-----Original Message-----
From: postgis-users-bounces@...
[mailto:postgis-users-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
rabbiaqaswar
Sent: 11 April 2007 23:38
To: postgis-users@...
Subject: [postgis-users] RE: RE: PostGIS - hibernate (new postgis.jar)


Hello

Thanks for your reply. I found this
http://svn.refractions.net/postgis/trunk/java/ejb3/ svn link  from your
earlier posts in this topic, which has that ejb3spatial.pdf file. Can
you
please tell me which svn link has the latest information.

Many Thanks



Norman Barker-3 wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> There has been a lot of activity with the hibernate postgis driver,
just
> everyone thinks it isn't of interest to the list and mail me
directly!!

> (I have no problem with this).
>
> The major update is the spatial dialect for ejb3 (hibernate) allowing
> you to make spatial queries in object space, e.g. select obj from
> mytable where spatial.within(obj.box, ...)
>
> The code is in SVN, but I don't believe it is in postgis.jar, it is
> heavily dependent on the JDBC driver and hibernate for its
> functionality.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Norman
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: postgis-users-bounces@...
> [mailto:postgis-users-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
> rabbiaqaswar
> Sent: 10 April 2007 13:29
> To: postgis-users@...
> Subject: [postgis-users] RE: PostGIS - hibernate (new postgis.jar)
>
>
> Thankyou all for the support.
>
> I  am using EJB3 with PostgreSQL & JBoss. Read through the tutorial on
> svn
> by Norman Barker. I compiled the GeometryType java file in
> org.postgis.hibernate and included the org.postgis.hibernate package

in
> my
> classpath and the whole thing worked.
>
> Since the last post on this forum was in November 2006, i wanted to
know
> that is there any change in the method to handle gis data from
> postgresql
> tables using ejb3 architecture? Is the GeometryType class by Norman
> included
> in the latest release of postgis.jar or should it be included
seperately

> like i mentioned above?
>
> Thanks again
>
>
> Norman Barker-3 wrote:
>>
>>
>> I think I missed the start of this thread (and I can't find it in the
>> archives), can you summarize the problem, and the server you are
> using?
>>
>>
>> The GeometryUserType class doesn't do very much but call out to the
>> utility functions provided in the postgis jar, so it does sound like

a

>> classpath issue.
>>
>> If you can send me a summary I will try to recreate the problem.  (I
>> have both tomcat and jboss set up here).
>>
>> If the attachment is large please send it to
> norman.barker<at>gmail.com
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Norman
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: postgis-users-bounces@...
>> [mailto:postgis-users-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
> Jan
>> Syryn
>> Sent: 27 November 2006 16:39
>> To: 'PostGIS Users Discussion'
>> Subject: RE: [postgis-users] PostGIS - hibernate (new postgis.jar)
>>
>> ***********************
>> Warning: Your file, postgis2.jar, contains more than 32 files after
>> decompression and cannot be scanned.
>> ***********-***********
>>
>>
>> Hi Markus,
>>
>> The thing I did to be able to continue is I have created a
>> postgis_addon.jar
>> lib that contained only new stuff like BinaryWriter.class and
>> GeometryUserType.
>> And that works. It does not solve the problem, though I can use the
>> latest
>> version of postgis.
>>
>> I tried to use the tip I found in my previous posting by changing the
>> name
>> of the postgresql-jdbc.jar drvier to pg-jdbc.jar driver with my new
>> build
>> postgis2.jar (version 1.1.5)
>> I did not help.  
>> If I remove the 2 stub files (PGConnection and Connection) from
>> postgis2.jar
>> : same result.
>> It stucks again on "No suitable driver".
>> If I replace the postgis2.jar by postgis.jar(1.1.0) and
>> postgis_addon.jar by
>> changing the settings on the classpath, everything works again.
>>
>> So, I assume there is a thing in postgis2.jar.
>> And to create my postgis2.jar, I made a separate project in Eclipse,
>> created
>> a jar file of almost all java files(exl examples). This should do it,
> no
>> ?
>>
>> Anyway, I included my postgis2.jar so maybe one can replace his one
> with
>> mine and see what that does.
>> Or maybe one sees what I am doing wrong elsewhere...
>>
>> TIA,
>> Jan
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: postgis-users-bounces@...
>> [mailto:postgis-users-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
>> Markus
>> Schaber
>> Sent: samedi 25 novembre 2006 10:16
>> To: PostGIS Users Discussion
>> Subject: Re: [postgis-users] RE: RE: RE: PostGIS - hibernate - EJB3
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Norman Barker wrote:
>>
>>> 2. In the thread here, people are using:
>>> <driver-class>org.postgis.DriverWrapper</driver-class>
>>> When I do the same, I get a "No suitable driver" exception.
>>
>> [...]
>>> 3. I wanted to use the GeometryType that is packed in PostGIS 1.1.5.
>>> After generating the new JAR and replacing the old one by this one,

I
>
>>> start getting new exceptions:
>>> The class org.postgis.PGbox3d does not implement
>>> org.postgresql.util.PGobject.
>>
>> Those 2 things look like a classpath/classloader problem.
>>
>> You have to make sure that the postgis.jar and the
postgresql-jdbc.jar

>> are
>> available via the same classloader (and that you don't have two
>> incarnations
>> of them in your classpath)
>>
>>
>> HTH,
>> Markus
>>
>>
>> --
>> Markus Schaber | Logical Tracking&Tracing International AG
>> Dipl. Inf.     | Software Development GIS
>>
>> Fight against software patents in Europe! www.ffii.org
>> www.nosoftwarepatents.org
>> _______________________________________________
>> postgis-users mailing list
>> postgis-users@...
>> http://postgis.refractions.net/mailman/listinfo/postgis-users
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://postgis.refractions.net/mailman/listinfo/postgis-users
>>
>>
>
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[rabbiaqaswar]

Thanks a lot for your help. Earlier i just had the postgresql jdbc driver & postgis.jar in my class path. In my entity bean POJO i did what was mentioned in the ejb3spatial.pdf and included the package containing your GeometryType.java (user type) in my project. In the persistence.xml file i set the hibernate.dialect as org.hibernate.dialect.PostgreSQLDialect and my program was able to retrieve the data from the tables containing geographical information.

So far things are good :) now should i add PostGISDialect in my persistence.xml instead of org.hibernate.dialect.PostgreSQLDialect and do i have to include its java file with the GeometryType in my project? I am a complete newbie with geographical information related work so please don't mind my questions.

Many Thanks

Norman Barker-3 wrote:

Hi,

I appreciate your confusion it took me a while to work out what was
going on (I don't have commit access :-( )

The dialect has been put in its own folder called hibernate at
http://svn.refractions.net/postgis/trunk/java/

you will also need the user type from the ejb3 folder.  Really they
should be together, my fault I should have communicated this better to
Markus.

Let me know I can be of help.

Thanks,

Norman

-----Original Message-----
From: [e-mail]
[mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf Of
rabbiaqaswar
Sent: 11 April 2007 23:38
To: [e-mail]
Subject: [postgis-users] RE: RE: PostGIS - hibernate (new postgis.jar)


Hello

Thanks for your reply. I found this
http://svn.refractions.net/postgis/trunk/java/ejb3/ svn link  from your
earlier posts in this topic, which has that ejb3spatial.pdf file. Can
you
please tell me which svn link has the latest information.

Many Thanks



Norman Barker-3 wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> There has been a lot of activity with the hibernate postgis driver,
just
> everyone thinks it isn't of interest to the list and mail me
directly!!
> (I have no problem with this).
>
> The major update is the spatial dialect for ejb3 (hibernate) allowing
> you to make spatial queries in object space, e.g. select obj from
> mytable where spatial.within(obj.box, ...)
>
> The code is in SVN, but I don't believe it is in postgis.jar, it is
> heavily dependent on the JDBC driver and hibernate for its
> functionality.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Norman
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [e-mail]
> [mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf Of
> rabbiaqaswar
> Sent: 10 April 2007 13:29
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: [postgis-users] RE: PostGIS - hibernate (new postgis.jar)
>
>
> Thankyou all for the support.
>
> I  am using EJB3 with PostgreSQL & JBoss. Read through the tutorial on
> svn
> by Norman Barker. I compiled the GeometryType java file in
> org.postgis.hibernate and included the org.postgis.hibernate package
in
> my
> classpath and the whole thing worked.
>
> Since the last post on this forum was in November 2006, i wanted to
know
> that is there any change in the method to handle gis data from
> postgresql
> tables using ejb3 architecture? Is the GeometryType class by Norman
> included
> in the latest release of postgis.jar or should it be included
seperately
> like i mentioned above?
>
> Thanks again
>
>
> Norman Barker-3 wrote:
>>
>>
>> I think I missed the start of this thread (and I can't find it in the
>> archives), can you summarize the problem, and the server you are
> using?
>>
>>
>> The GeometryUserType class doesn't do very much but call out to the
>> utility functions provided in the postgis jar, so it does sound like
a
>> classpath issue.
>>
>> If you can send me a summary I will try to recreate the problem.  (I
>> have both tomcat and jboss set up here).
>>
>> If the attachment is large please send it to
> norman.barker<at>gmail.com
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Norman
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [e-mail]
>> [mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf Of
> Jan
>> Syryn
>> Sent: 27 November 2006 16:39
>> To: 'PostGIS Users Discussion'
>> Subject: RE: [postgis-users] PostGIS - hibernate (new postgis.jar)
>>
>> ***********************
>> Warning: Your file, postgis2.jar, contains more than 32 files after
>> decompression and cannot be scanned.
>> ***********-***********
>>
>>
>> Hi Markus,
>>
>> The thing I did to be able to continue is I have created a
>> postgis_addon.jar
>> lib that contained only new stuff like BinaryWriter.class and
>> GeometryUserType.
>> And that works. It does not solve the problem, though I can use the
>> latest
>> version of postgis.
>>
>> I tried to use the tip I found in my previous posting by changing the
>> name
>> of the postgresql-jdbc.jar drvier to pg-jdbc.jar driver with my new
>> build
>> postgis2.jar (version 1.1.5)
>> I did not help.  
>> If I remove the 2 stub files (PGConnection and Connection) from
>> postgis2.jar
>> : same result.
>> It stucks again on "No suitable driver".
>> If I replace the postgis2.jar by postgis.jar(1.1.0) and
>> postgis_addon.jar by
>> changing the settings on the classpath, everything works again.
>>
>> So, I assume there is a thing in postgis2.jar.
>> And to create my postgis2.jar, I made a separate project in Eclipse,
>> created
>> a jar file of almost all java files(exl examples). This should do it,
> no
>> ?
>>
>> Anyway, I included my postgis2.jar so maybe one can replace his one
> with
>> mine and see what that does.
>> Or maybe one sees what I am doing wrong elsewhere...
>>
>> TIA,
>> Jan
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [e-mail]
>> [mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf Of
>> Markus
>> Schaber
>> Sent: samedi 25 novembre 2006 10:16
>> To: PostGIS Users Discussion
>> Subject: Re: [postgis-users] RE: RE: RE: PostGIS - hibernate - EJB3
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Norman Barker wrote:
>>
>>> 2. In the thread here, people are using:
>>> <driver-class>org.postgis.DriverWrapper</driver-class>
>>> When I do the same, I get a "No suitable driver" exception.
>>
>> [...]
>>> 3. I wanted to use the GeometryType that is packed in PostGIS 1.1.5.
>>> After generating the new JAR and replacing the old one by this one,
I
>
>>> start getting new exceptions:
>>> The class org.postgis.PGbox3d does not implement
>>> org.postgresql.util.PGobject.
>>
>> Those 2 things look like a classpath/classloader problem.
>>
>> You have to make sure that the postgis.jar and the
postgresql-jdbc.jar
>> are
>> available via the same classloader (and that you don't have two
>> incarnations
>> of them in your classpath)
>>
>>
>> HTH,
>> Markus
>>
>>
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