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Re: PGCon 2010

2009-12-03T13:07:55Z

Gilberto Castillo Martínez wrote:
> Hello Josh,
>
> PGDay-Cuba 2010 will be held 4-6 February 2010, in La Havana at the University of
> Science Informatic.

Hi Gilberto,

I thought PGDay Cuba 2010 was supposed to be an internal event, i.e.
Cuba only.

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Re: New York Capital District PostgreSQL Users Group (NYCDPUG)

2009-12-03T10:56:09Z

Josh Berkus wrote:
> And where is the capital district?
>
It's the area of upstate New York around Albany:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_District

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Re: New York Capital District PostgreSQL Users Group (NYCDPUG)

2009-12-03T10:38:21Z

On 12/3/09 10:10 AM, Stephan, Richard wrote:
>
>
> I would like to announce the formation a local PostgreSQL users group
> within the Capital District of New York State. A hosted web site has
> been started to support the group: http://nycdpug.x10hosting.com/ . If
> live within the Capital District and you are using or interested in
> using PostgreSQL, please visit the web site. The first kick off meeting
> is scheduled for January 7, 2010 and you are welcome to attend.

Since this is your first meeting, SPI and/or pg.US can pay for food for
the meeting, up to a limit of $200.

Also, would you rather have a site on postgresql.org?

And where is the capital district?

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New York Capital District PostgreSQL Users Group (NYCDPUG)

2009-12-03T10:10:27Z

I would like to announce the formation a local PostgreSQL users group within the Capital District of New York State. A hosted web site has been started to support the group: http://nycdpug.x10hosting.com/ . If live within the Capital District and you are using or interested in using PostgreSQL, please visit the web site. The first kick off meeting is scheduled for January 7, 2010 and you are welcome to attend.

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Rensselaer, NY 12144

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Mobile: 518-229-6588

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PGCon 2010

2009-12-02T08:07:50Z

Hello Josh,

PGDay-Cuba 2010 will be held 4-6 February 2010, in La Havana at the University of
Science Informatic.

Here are a some ideas:

- migration of production systems to PostgreSQL
- data warehousing with PostgreSQL
- tuning PostgreSQL for different work loads
- replicating data on top of PostgreSQL
- PostgreSQL derivatives and forks
- applications built around PostgreSQL
- tuning PostgreSQL for different work loads
- case studies and howtos
- how to use PostgreSQL with your particular environment

I Need dispatch luxury for promotion your event. Is this possible?

Thanks,
Gilberto Castillo,
La Habana, Cuba.

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Re: New mug design

2009-12-02T02:25:29Z

On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 08:21:27AM +0100, Tommy Gildseth wrote:

> Greg Stark wrote:
>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 1:40 AM, Bruce Momjian <bruce@...> wrote:
>>> Joshua D. Drake wrote:
>>> It could be:
>>>
>>> START TRANSACTION:
>>
>> I don't feel these make it better. The point of the pun is to have
>> something which looks natural and not out of place but which also
>> reads as an english sentence telling people they should use
>> Postgres. START TRANSACTION is imho a compatibility syntax we have
>> to ease migration from other systems and neither reads naturally as
>> an postgresish sql command, nor does it have a double-meaning
>> unless it's saying that people should buy a license or support
>> contract.
>>
>> An argument could be made for BEGIN WORK -- but even that seems out
>> of place to me.
>
> Doesn't work always begin with a coffee?

Not everywhere. Utah, for one example. China for another.

What people put in the mug is less on point than what's on it :)

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Re: New mug design

2009-12-01T23:21:27Z

Greg Stark wrote:

> On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 1:40 AM, Bruce Momjian <bruce@...> wrote:
>> Joshua D. Drake wrote:
>> It could be:
>>
>> START TRANSACTION:
>
> I don't feel these make it better. The point of the pun is to have
> something which looks natural and not out of place but which also
> reads as an english sentence telling people they should use Postgres.
> START TRANSACTION is imho a compatibility syntax we have to ease
> migration from other systems and neither reads naturally as an
> postgresish sql command, nor does it have a double-meaning unless it's
> saying that people should buy a license or support contract.
>
> An argument could be made for BEGIN WORK -- but even that seems out of
> place to me.

Doesn't work always begin with a coffee?

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Re: New mug design

2009-12-01T17:55:32Z

On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 1:40 AM, Bruce Momjian <bruce@...> wrote:
> Joshua D. Drake wrote:
> It could be:
>
> START TRANSACTION:

I don't feel these make it better. The point of the pun is to have
something which looks natural and not out of place but which also
reads as an english sentence telling people they should use Postgres.
START TRANSACTION is imho a compatibility syntax we have to ease
migration from other systems and neither reads naturally as an
postgresish sql command, nor does it have a double-meaning unless it's
saying that people should buy a license or support contract.

An argument could be made for BEGIN WORK -- but even that seems out of
place to me.

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Re: New mug design

2009-12-01T17:40:49Z

Joshua D. Drake wrote:

> On Wed, 2009-12-02 at 01:29 +0000, Greg Stark wrote:
> > On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 10:10 PM, David Fetter <david@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > All this stuff is way too clever.
> > >
> > > BEGIN;
> > > SELECT PostgreSQL;
> > > COMMIT;
> > >
> > > gets the point across without demanding interpretation from the
> > > audience :)
> >
> > +1
> >
> > I like this punny one where both "SELECT" and "COMMIT" are being used
> > to imply double-meanings. Personally I wouldn't put the BEGIN there
> > though, it's distracting, isn't punny, and everyone should run with
> > autocommit off where you wouldn't need it anyways.
>
> Well you could do:
>
> START TRANSACTION:
> SELECT PostgreSQL();
> END TRANSACTION;

It could be:

START TRANSACTION:
SELECT PostgreSQL();
COMMIT;

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Re: New mug design

2009-12-01T17:40:28Z

On Tue, Dec 01, 2009 at 05:31:00PM -0800, Joshua D. Drake wrote:

ETOOMUCHINTERPRETATION

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Re: New mug design

2009-12-01T17:31:00Z

On Wed, 2009-12-02 at 01:29 +0000, Greg Stark wrote:

> On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 10:10 PM, David Fetter <david@...> wrote:
> >
> > All this stuff is way too clever.
> >
> > BEGIN;
> > SELECT PostgreSQL;
> > COMMIT;
> >
> > gets the point across without demanding interpretation from the
> > audience :)
>
> +1
>
> I like this punny one where both "SELECT" and "COMMIT" are being used
> to imply double-meanings. Personally I wouldn't put the BEGIN there
> though, it's distracting, isn't punny, and everyone should run with
> autocommit off where you wouldn't need it anyways.

Well you could do:

START TRANSACTION:
SELECT PostgreSQL();
END TRANSACTION;

>
>
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Re: New mug design

2009-12-01T17:29:15Z

On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 10:10 PM, David Fetter <david@...> wrote:
>
> All this stuff is way too clever.
>
> BEGIN;
> SELECT PostgreSQL;
> COMMIT;
>
> gets the point across without demanding interpretation from the
> audience :)

+1

I like this punny one where both "SELECT" and "COMMIT" are being used
to imply double-meanings. Personally I wouldn't put the BEGIN there
though, it's distracting, isn't punny, and everyone should run with
autocommit off where you wouldn't need it anyways.

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Re: New mug design

2009-12-01T15:13:25Z

On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 16:26:32 -0800 Christophe Pettus wrote:

>
> On Nov 30, 2009, at 4:23 PM, Greg Smith wrote:
> > You might as well quote it so the mug is working code.
>
> Personally, I like making it a function, so that it is a nod to our
> extensibility, too:
>
> BEGIN;
> SELECT PostgreSQL();
> COMMIT;

Yes, this idea is way better than the column.

+1

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Re: New mug design

2009-12-01T08:28:06Z

On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 8:17 AM, Greg Sabino Mullane <greg@...> wrote:

>> BEGIN;
>> SELECT PostgreSQL;
>> COMMIT;

> It also "fails to compile" :)
> ERROR: column "postgresql" does not exist
>
> How about:
>
> BEGIN;
> SELECT 'Postgres';
> COMMIT;

I guess this brings up the question: is PostgreSQL better known for
being technically correct or better known for being esthetically
pleasing?

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Re: New mug design

2009-12-01T08:17:30Z

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> BEGIN;
> SELECT PostgreSQL;
> COMMIT;

> gets the point across without demanding interpretation
> from the audience :)

It also "fails to compile" :)

ERROR: column "postgresql" does not exist

How about:

BEGIN;
SELECT 'Postgres';
COMMIT;

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Re: New mug design

2009-12-01T08:17:20Z

rod@... ("Raymond O'Donnell") writes:

> On 30/11/2009 21:54, Gabriele Bartolini wrote:
>
>> Simple, direct, effective. Also, the "me" part makes the mug an active
>> component of the message.
>
> +1
>
>> I have also read people arguing about cultures that add sugar, cream,
>> water, etc. to their coffee. I must then stand up and represent my
>> country and say that in Italy, coffee lovers and purists, do not put any
>> additional ingredients in it, and drink it plain. So we should INSERT
>> only coffee INTO the mug. :)
>
> +1 for that also - I like my coffee intravenously! :-)

I'll give "+1" to that, too...

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PGCon 2010

2009-11-30T18:10:48Z

Hello folks,

PGCon 2010 will be held 20-21 May 2010, in Ottawa at the University of
Ottawa. It will be preceded by two days of tutorials on 18-19 May 2010.

We are now accepting proposals for talks.

If you are doing something interesting with PostgreSQL, please submit
a proposal. You might be one of the backend hackers or work on a
PostgreSQL related project and want to share your know-how with
others. You might be developing an interesting system using PostgreSQL
as the foundation. Perhaps you migrated from another database to
PostgreSQL and would like to share details. These, and other stories
are welcome. Both users and developers are encouraged to share their
experiences.

Here are a some ideas to jump start your proposal process:

- novel, unique or complex ways in which PostgreSQL are used
- migration of production systems to PostgreSQL
- data warehousing with PostgreSQL
- tuning PostgreSQL for different work loads
- replicating data on top of PostgreSQL
- hacking the PostgreSQL code
- PostgreSQL derivatives and forks
- applications built around PostgreSQL
- tuning PostgreSQL for different work loads
- tuning and benchmarking
- case studies and howtos
- location-aware software with PostGIS
- emerging features
- research and teaching with PostgreSQL
- things the PostgreSQL project could do better
- how to use PostgreSQL with your particular environment

Both users and developers are encouraged to share their experiences.

The schedule is:

19 Dec 2009 Proposal acceptance begins
19 Jan 2010 Proposal acceptance ends
19 Feb 2010 Confirmation of accepted proposals

See also <http://www.pgcon.org/2010/papers.php>

Instructions for submitting a proposal to PGCon 2010 are available
from: <http://www.pgcon.org/2010/submissions.php>

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Re: New mug design

2009-11-30T16:26:32Z

On Nov 30, 2009, at 4:23 PM, Greg Smith wrote:
> You might as well quote it so the mug is working code.

Personally, I like making it a function, so that it is a nod to our
extensibility, too:

BEGIN;
SELECT PostgreSQL();
COMMIT;

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Re: New mug design

2009-11-30T16:23:53Z

David Fetter wrote:
> BEGIN;
> SELECT PostgreSQL;
> COMMIT;
>
ERROR: column "postgresql" does not exist

You might as well quote it so the mug is working code. Other than that
bit of nitpicking, I like this simple message a lot better than the more
complicated ones that have been flying by here.

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Re: New mug design

2009-11-30T15:31:47Z

On Nov 30, 2009, at 1:54 PM, Gabriele Bartolini wrote:

> Ciao,
>
> For some reason I can't explain, the more I read and the more I am sure that Damien's original idea (Nov 16) is the simplest and most effective of all, considering also that we cannot write a lot of information on the mug.
>
> INSERT INTO me VALUES('coffee','sugar');
>
> Simple, direct, effective. Also, the "me" part makes the mug an active component of the message.
>
> I have also read people arguing about cultures that add sugar, cream, water, etc. to their coffee. I must then stand up and represent my country and say that in Italy, coffee lovers and purists, do not put any additional ingredients in it, and drink it plain. So we should INSERT only coffee INTO the mug. :)
>
> Thanks,
> Gabriele
>
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I also prefer the simple approach. Like Df and others I like the begin; select PostgreSQL; COMMIT;
better. It is more assertive, and just cute enough, i.e. not too cute.

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Re: New mug design

2009-11-30T14:22:13Z

Ciao David,
> All this stuff is way too clever.
>
> BEGIN;
> SELECT PostgreSQL;
> COMMIT;
>
I like this too. Especially for the community it is a nice message to be
driven (think of the 'commit' verb). I would choose it for t-shirts or
other stuff (stickers, flyers, posters, ...). I just found the INSERT
coffee + sugar thing brilliant and nice for a mug.
> gets the point across without demanding interpretation from the
> audience :)
>
I agree.

Thanks,
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Re: New mug design

2009-11-30T14:10:32Z

On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 10:54:39PM +0100, Gabriele Bartolini wrote:

> Ciao,
>
> For some reason I can't explain, the more I read and the more I am sure
> that Damien's original idea (Nov 16) is the simplest and most effective
> of all, considering also that we cannot write a lot of information on
> the mug.
>
> INSERT INTO me VALUES('coffee','sugar');
>
> Simple, direct, effective. Also, the "me" part makes the mug an active
> component of the message.
>
> I have also read people arguing about cultures that add sugar, cream,
> water, etc. to their coffee. I must then stand up and represent my
> country and say that in Italy, coffee lovers and purists, do not put any
> additional ingredients in it, and drink it plain. So we should INSERT
> only coffee INTO the mug. :)

All this stuff is way too clever.

BEGIN;
SELECT PostgreSQL;
COMMIT;

gets the point across without demanding interpretation from the
audience :)

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Re: New mug design

2009-11-30T14:01:51Z

On 30/11/2009 21:54, Gabriele Bartolini wrote:

> Simple, direct, effective. Also, the "me" part makes the mug an active
> component of the message.

+1

> I have also read people arguing about cultures that add sugar, cream,
> water, etc. to their coffee. I must then stand up and represent my
> country and say that in Italy, coffee lovers and purists, do not put any
> additional ingredients in it, and drink it plain. So we should INSERT
> only coffee INTO the mug. :)

+1 for that also - I like my coffee intravenously! :-)

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Re: New mug design

2009-11-30T13:54:39Z

Ciao,

For some reason I can't explain, the more I read and the more I am sure
that Damien's original idea (Nov 16) is the simplest and most effective
of all, considering also that we cannot write a lot of information on
the mug.

INSERT INTO me VALUES('coffee','sugar');

Simple, direct, effective. Also, the "me" part makes the mug an active
component of the message.

I have also read people arguing about cultures that add sugar, cream,
water, etc. to their coffee. I must then stand up and represent my
country and say that in Italy, coffee lovers and purists, do not put any
additional ingredients in it, and drink it plain. So we should INSERT
only coffee INTO the mug. :)

Thanks,
Gabriele

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Re: New mug design

2009-11-30T08:13:45Z

scrappy@... ("Marc G. Fournier") writes:
>> INSERT INTO pg_mug VALUES('coffee', 'sugar', 'cream');

I would prefer a more relational representation:
INSERT INTO pg_mug (contents) VALUES('coffee'), ('sugar'), ('cream');

Alternatively, we could make it generic:
INSERT INTO pg_mug (contents)
SELECT contents FROM recipes
WHERE user_name = current_user();

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Re: New mug design

2009-11-30T01:47:20Z

* Bruce Momjian:

> CREATE TABLE pg_mug (contents TEXT);
> INSERT INTO pg_mug
> VALUES('coffee'), ('sugar'), ('cream');

Shouldn't that be "ingredient" instead of "contents"?

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Re: New mug design

2009-11-29T10:13:38Z

Dave Page wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 12:10 AM, Bruce Momjian <bruce@...> wrote:
>
> >> e.g. Outside the USA, very few people use cream (or anything
> >> pretending to be cream).
> >
> > Uh, how come they put milk in tea only outside the USA? ?As a tea
> > drinker, I am confused. ?;-)
>
> They put cream in tea inside the USA? Weird.

No, we don't usually put any dairy products in our tea.

> Anyway, don't forget this was (originally) a discussion about new mugs
> for PostgreSQL Europe, where cafe au lait is definitely more common.

True, but could I get a special tea mug? ;-)

INSERT INTO pg_mug VALUES('hot water', 'tea', 'sugar');

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Re: New mug design

2009-11-29T10:11:48Z

Andreas 'ads' Scherbaum wrote:

> On Sat, 28 Nov 2009 17:57:38 -0500 (EST) Bruce Momjian wrote:
>
> > That highlights our multi-value INSERT too. :-) With proper wrap it
> > would be:
> >
> > BEGIN;
> > CREATE TABLE pg_mug (contents TEXT);
> > INSERT INTO pg_mug
> > VALUES('coffee'), ('sugar'), ('cream');
> > COMMIT;
> >
> > You can even add stirring:
> >
> > BEGIN;
> > CREATE TABLE pg_mug (contents TEXT);
> > INSERT INTO pg_mug
> > VALUES('coffee'), ('sugar'), ('cream');
> > -- stir
> > SELECT * FROM pg_mug ORDER BY random();
> > COMMIT;
>
> The mug is colored anyway, right now blue and black. Can/should we add
> some syntax highlighting?

Great idea --- colorful is good.

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Re: New mug design

2009-11-29T09:53:54Z

On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 12:10 AM, Bruce Momjian <bruce@...> wrote:

>> e.g. Outside the USA, very few people use cream (or anything
>> pretending to be cream).
>
> Uh, how come they put milk in tea only outside the USA? As a tea
> drinker, I am confused. ;-)

They put cream in tea inside the USA? Weird.

Anyway, don't forget this was (originally) a discussion about new mugs
for PostgreSQL Europe, where cafe au lait is definitely more common.

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Re: New mug design

2009-11-29T04:30:31Z

On Sat, 28 Nov 2009 17:57:38 -0500 (EST) Bruce Momjian wrote:

> That highlights our multi-value INSERT too. :-) With proper wrap it
> would be:
>
> BEGIN;
> CREATE TABLE pg_mug (contents TEXT);
> INSERT INTO pg_mug
> VALUES('coffee'), ('sugar'), ('cream');
> COMMIT;
>
> You can even add stirring:
>
> BEGIN;
> CREATE TABLE pg_mug (contents TEXT);
> INSERT INTO pg_mug
> VALUES('coffee'), ('sugar'), ('cream');
> -- stir
> SELECT * FROM pg_mug ORDER BY random();
> COMMIT;

The mug is colored anyway, right now blue and black. Can/should we add
some syntax highlighting?

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Re: New mug design

2009-11-29T04:27:35Z

On Sat, 28 Nov 2009 17:57:38 -0500 (EST) Bruce Momjian wrote:

> FYi, I am just shooting out ideas until someone tells me to stop. ;-)

Keep going, we will sort it out ;-)

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Re: New mug design

2009-11-29T02:49:16Z

bruce wrote:
> You can even add stirring:
>
> BEGIN;
> CREATE TABLE pg_mug (contents TEXT);
> INSERT INTO pg_mug
> VALUES('coffee'), ('sugar'), ('cream');
> -- stir
> SELECT * FROM pg_mug ORDER BY random();
> COMMIT;

We can also have different ways of specifying the transaction:

BEGIN/COMMIT
BEGIN WORK/COMMIT WORK
START TRANSACTION/COMMIT
START TRANSACTION/COMMIT WORK

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Re: New mug design

2009-11-28T17:27:40Z

Christophe Pettus wrote:

>
> On Nov 28, 2009, at 2:52 PM, Bruce Momjian wrote:
>
> > Andreas 'ads' Scherbaum wrote:
> >> What about the "SELECT PostgreSQL();" idea mentioned upthread?
> >
> > That seems fine too. I think the question is whether we want
> > something
> > relating to the mug contents, i.e. cute, or something more clearly
> > referencing PostgreSQL.
>
> What I particularly liked about:
>
> SELECT PostgreSQL();
> COMMIT;
>
> ... (even if I do say so myself) is that it is advocacy, and is PG-
> specific.

The other side of the mug will have the Postgres elephant and the
PostgreSQL name so I think we can be more subtle on the SQL query side
of the mug.

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Re: New mug design

2009-11-28T16:23:37Z

On Sat, 28 Nov 2009, Bruce Momjian wrote:

> Rob Napier wrote:
>> Whatever kind of coffee you make, you still need some water.
>
> Yes, but you combine the water and the coffee outside the mug. ;-)
> Unless we are talking about cheap instant coffee, and we all agree
> Postgres should not be associated with cheap, poor-tasting coffee;
> there are other databases for that. ;-)
>
>> e.g. Outside the USA, very few people use cream (or anything
>> pretending to be cream).
>
> Uh, how come they put milk in tea only outside the USA? As a tea
> drinker, I am confused. ;-)
>
>> Even when I make a cappucino I need water to make steam.
>
> Do you do that in the mug?

Use the steam, yes .. make the steam, no ...

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Re: New mug design

2009-11-28T16:10:26Z

Rob Napier wrote:
> Whatever kind of coffee you make, you still need some water.

Yes, but you combine the water and the coffee outside the mug. ;-)
Unless we are talking about cheap instant coffee, and we all agree
Postgres should not be associated with cheap, poor-tasting coffee;
there are other databases for that. ;-)

> e.g. Outside the USA, very few people use cream (or anything
> pretending to be cream).

Uh, how come they put milk in tea only outside the USA? As a tea
drinker, I am confused. ;-)

> Even when I make a cappucino I need water to make steam.

Do you do that in the mug?

> I think that we have to expect American culture in the message
> even though it is supposed to be targeted at an international
> market unless you opt for a more generic message.

I didn't realize the cream/milk issue. Is there something else we can
include?

> Anyway, I think the idea of tying the function of the coffee
> mug to PostgreSQL concepts has a lot of merit.

Cool.

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