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Re: Advertising on the community blog

2009-12-18T23:50:03Z

Alvaro Herrera wrote:
> I wonder how hard is Theo laughing right now.
>

I know I find the Streisand Effect going on here pretty amusing. Does
anybody *not* know they're hiring yet? Theo's mission, completely
accomplished; those who objected to the whole thing, not so much.

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Re: location of md5 files ...

2009-12-18T13:45:54Z

On Wednesday 16 December 2009 11:14:22 Peter Eisentraut wrote:

> On mån, 2009-12-14 at 17:00 -0300, Alvaro Herrera wrote:
> > Magnus Hagander wrote:
> > > Yes.
> > >
> > > Ideally, we should serve up the MD5s from an SSL enabled webserver.
> > > Something to think about for the future.
> >
> > Shouldn't we distribute the MD5 signatures along the release message,
> > which should itself be signed with some appropriate GPG key?
>
> Someone was doing this a while ago on their own.
>

Greg Mullane was the one who used to do it.

> But the usual argument for the md5 files in the past was to catch
> download mistakes, not security.

Yes, though it would be nice to see us worry about both.

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Re: Advertising on the community blog

2009-12-18T13:33:41Z

On Fri, 2009-12-18 at 18:08 -0300, Alvaro Herrera wrote:
> I wonder how hard is Theo laughing right now.

He problem has a vision of a bunch of people with their butts puckered
as he slams his head down on a desk at the ridiculousness of this whole
thread.

Don't we have better things to do... it was one post people.

Joshua D. Drake

>

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Re: Advertising on the community blog

2009-12-18T13:08:25Z

I wonder how hard is Theo laughing right now.

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Re: Advertising on the community blog

2009-12-18T13:06:36Z

2009/12/18 Bruce Momjian <bruce@...>:

> Dave Page wrote:
>> On 12/18/09, Bruce Momjian <bruce@...> wrote:
>> > Dave Page wrote:
>> >> On 12/18/09, Joshua D. Drake <jd@...> wrote:
>> >> > On Fri, 2009-12-18 at 11:59 -0800, Josh Berkus wrote:
>> >> >> > The issue Magnus specifically asked about is whether or not we want
>> >> >> > to
>> >> >> > have job postings on planet.postgresql.org.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I stated my opinion already -- no. It's too hard to have a consistent
>> >> >> set of acceptance rules.
>> >> >
>> >> > My vote: I have no problem with a PostgreSQL Job post on planet.
>> >>
>> >> Nor I, as long as it's pg related.
>> >
>> > Are you saying every post that appears on pgsql-jobs could appropriately
>> > be on our blog? If that is true, I want some way to filter them out.
>> >
>>
>> I don't want to see recruiters there or anything like that, but i
>> don't have a problem with *existing* bloggers posting a 'btw we're
>> looking for a new dba' type posts.
>
> How do you want to specify or enforce that?

I think the reason people are seeing this article as being a gray area
is because it had some interesting content apart from the employment
solicitation. And that's a fair point - I found that part interesting
too. But the subject line was "OmniTI seeks data management experts;
a new type of DBA." I wouldn't necessarily object to "BTW, we're
looking for a DBA", but this wasn't really by the way. It was the
explicitly stated primary purpose of the post. A footnote at the
bottom would be a different matter, perhaps.

Anyway, I didn't object to the content, but I would have expected it
to go through pgsql-jobs rather than planet.

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Re: Advertising on the community blog

2009-12-18T13:06:28Z

Joshua D. Drake wrote:

> On Fri, 2009-12-18 at 16:00 -0500, Bruce Momjian wrote:
> > Dave Page wrote:
> > > On 12/18/09, Bruce Momjian <bruce@...> wrote:
> > > > Dave Page wrote:
> > > >> On 12/18/09, Joshua D. Drake <jd@...> wrote:
> > > >> > On Fri, 2009-12-18 at 11:59 -0800, Josh Berkus wrote:
> > > >> >> > The issue Magnus specifically asked about is whether or not we want
> > > >> >> > to
> > > >> >> > have job postings on planet.postgresql.org.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> I stated my opinion already -- no. It's too hard to have a consistent
> > > >> >> set of acceptance rules.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > My vote: I have no problem with a PostgreSQL Job post on planet.
> > > >>
> > > >> Nor I, as long as it's pg related.
> > > >
> > > > Are you saying every post that appears on pgsql-jobs could appropriately
> > > > be on our blog? If that is true, I want some way to filter them out.
> > > >
> > >
> > > I don't want to see recruiters there or anything like that, but i
> > > don't have a problem with *existing* bloggers posting a 'btw we're
> > > looking for a new dba' type posts.
> >
> > How do you want to specify or enforce that?
>
> When they sign up, they agree to a terms of service. If they fail within
> those terms we warn them, if the continue to fail, we kick them....

What are the terms? "If you post a lot you can post job opening
announcements too"? What is a lot?

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Re: Advertising on the community blog

2009-12-18T13:05:03Z

On Fri, 2009-12-18 at 16:00 -0500, Bruce Momjian wrote:

> Dave Page wrote:
> > On 12/18/09, Bruce Momjian <bruce@...> wrote:
> > > Dave Page wrote:
> > >> On 12/18/09, Joshua D. Drake <jd@...> wrote:
> > >> > On Fri, 2009-12-18 at 11:59 -0800, Josh Berkus wrote:
> > >> >> > The issue Magnus specifically asked about is whether or not we want
> > >> >> > to
> > >> >> > have job postings on planet.postgresql.org.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> I stated my opinion already -- no. It's too hard to have a consistent
> > >> >> set of acceptance rules.
> > >> >
> > >> > My vote: I have no problem with a PostgreSQL Job post on planet.
> > >>
> > >> Nor I, as long as it's pg related.
> > >
> > > Are you saying every post that appears on pgsql-jobs could appropriately
> > > be on our blog? If that is true, I want some way to filter them out.
> > >
> >
> > I don't want to see recruiters there or anything like that, but i
> > don't have a problem with *existing* bloggers posting a 'btw we're
> > looking for a new dba' type posts.
>
> How do you want to specify or enforce that?

When they sign up, they agree to a terms of service. If they fail within
those terms we warn them, if the continue to fail, we kick them....

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Re: Advertising on the community blog

2009-12-18T13:00:54Z

Dave Page wrote:

> On 12/18/09, Bruce Momjian <bruce@...> wrote:
> > Dave Page wrote:
> >> On 12/18/09, Joshua D. Drake <jd@...> wrote:
> >> > On Fri, 2009-12-18 at 11:59 -0800, Josh Berkus wrote:
> >> >> > The issue Magnus specifically asked about is whether or not we want
> >> >> > to
> >> >> > have job postings on planet.postgresql.org.
> >> >>
> >> >> I stated my opinion already -- no. It's too hard to have a consistent
> >> >> set of acceptance rules.
> >> >
> >> > My vote: I have no problem with a PostgreSQL Job post on planet.
> >>
> >> Nor I, as long as it's pg related.
> >
> > Are you saying every post that appears on pgsql-jobs could appropriately
> > be on our blog? If that is true, I want some way to filter them out.
> >
>
> I don't want to see recruiters there or anything like that, but i
> don't have a problem with *existing* bloggers posting a 'btw we're
> looking for a new dba' type posts.

How do you want to specify or enforce that?

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Re: Advertising on the community blog

2009-12-18T12:55:19Z

On Fri, 2009-12-18 at 20:52 +0000, Dave Page wrote:

Agreed :)

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Re: Advertising on the community blog

2009-12-18T12:52:21Z

On 12/18/09, Bruce Momjian <bruce@...> wrote:

> Dave Page wrote:
>> On 12/18/09, Joshua D. Drake <jd@...> wrote:
>> > On Fri, 2009-12-18 at 11:59 -0800, Josh Berkus wrote:
>> >> > The issue Magnus specifically asked about is whether or not we want
>> >> > to
>> >> > have job postings on planet.postgresql.org.
>> >>
>> >> I stated my opinion already -- no. It's too hard to have a consistent
>> >> set of acceptance rules.
>> >
>> > My vote: I have no problem with a PostgreSQL Job post on planet.
>>
>> Nor I, as long as it's pg related.
>
> Are you saying every post that appears on pgsql-jobs could appropriately
> be on our blog? If that is true, I want some way to filter them out.
>

I don't want to see recruiters there or anything like that, but i
don't have a problem with *existing* bloggers posting a 'btw we're
looking for a new dba' type posts.

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Re: Advertising on the community blog

2009-12-18T12:46:44Z

On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 21:27, Joshua D. Drake <jd@...> wrote:

> On Fri, 2009-12-18 at 14:58 -0500, Bruce Momjian wrote:
>> Alvaro Herrera wrote:
>> > Selena Deckelmann escribi?:
>> >
>> > > The issue Magnus specifically asked about is whether or not we want to
>> > > have job postings on planet.postgresql.org.
>> > >
>> > > My vote is no, and I suggest that job postings be directed to pgsql-jobs.
>> >
>> > Yeah, and interestingly nobody but you answered the question.
>>
>> I vote the blog posting was inappropriate too.
>
> Does that mean that the barrel of announcements that came out from PGX
> were also inappropriate? I don't recall those being an issue.

They were. Some of them were removed, and the posters were asked to
not do that again.

The issue at the time was thta a lot of people posted basically the
same thing. At the time, we said that had just one of them posted it,
there would be no issue. It was just the flood that we took issue with
at the time.

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Re: Advertising on the community blog

2009-12-18T12:45:47Z

Dave Page wrote:

> On 12/18/09, Joshua D. Drake <jd@...> wrote:
> > On Fri, 2009-12-18 at 11:59 -0800, Josh Berkus wrote:
> >> > The issue Magnus specifically asked about is whether or not we want to
> >> > have job postings on planet.postgresql.org.
> >>
> >> I stated my opinion already -- no. It's too hard to have a consistent
> >> set of acceptance rules.
> >
> > My vote: I have no problem with a PostgreSQL Job post on planet.
>
> Nor I, as long as it's pg related.

Are you saying every post that appears on pgsql-jobs could appropriately
be on our blog? If that is true, I want some way to filter them out.

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Re: Advertising on the community blog

2009-12-18T12:45:06Z

Joshua D. Drake wrote:

> On Fri, 2009-12-18 at 14:58 -0500, Bruce Momjian wrote:
> > Alvaro Herrera wrote:
> > > Selena Deckelmann escribi?:
> > >
> > > > The issue Magnus specifically asked about is whether or not we want to
> > > > have job postings on planet.postgresql.org.
> > > >
> > > > My vote is no, and I suggest that job postings be directed to pgsql-jobs.
> > >
> > > Yeah, and interestingly nobody but you answered the question.
> >
> > I vote the blog posting was inappropriate too.
>
> Does that mean that the barrel of announcements that came out from PGX
> were also inappropriate? I don't recall those being an issue.

If I remember correctly, they definitely were inappropriate, in fact so
much so that we talked to the individuals privately and there was no
need to discuss the issue on a public email list.

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Re: Advertising on the community blog

2009-12-18T12:44:13Z

On 12/18/09, Joshua D. Drake <jd@...> wrote:
> On Fri, 2009-12-18 at 11:59 -0800, Josh Berkus wrote:
>> > The issue Magnus specifically asked about is whether or not we want to
>> > have job postings on planet.postgresql.org.
>>
>> I stated my opinion already -- no. It's too hard to have a consistent
>> set of acceptance rules.
>
> My vote: I have no problem with a PostgreSQL Job post on planet.

Nor I, as long as it's pg related.

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Re: Advertising on the community blog

2009-12-18T12:27:19Z

On Fri, 2009-12-18 at 14:58 -0500, Bruce Momjian wrote:

> Alvaro Herrera wrote:
> > Selena Deckelmann escribi?:
> >
> > > The issue Magnus specifically asked about is whether or not we want to
> > > have job postings on planet.postgresql.org.
> > >
> > > My vote is no, and I suggest that job postings be directed to pgsql-jobs.
> >
> > Yeah, and interestingly nobody but you answered the question.
>
> I vote the blog posting was inappropriate too.

Does that mean that the barrel of announcements that came out from PGX
were also inappropriate? I don't recall those being an issue.

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Re: Advertising on the community blog

2009-12-18T12:23:57Z

On Fri, 2009-12-18 at 11:59 -0800, Josh Berkus wrote:
> > The issue Magnus specifically asked about is whether or not we want to
> > have job postings on planet.postgresql.org.
>
> I stated my opinion already -- no. It's too hard to have a consistent
> set of acceptance rules.

My vote: I have no problem with a PostgreSQL Job post on planet.

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Re: Advertising on the community blog

2009-12-18T12:00:20Z

Bruce Momjian escribió:
> Alvaro Herrera wrote:

> > Personally I have no problem with job postings assuming that the poster
> > is already a planet-aggregated blogger. Getting a blog up just for
> > posting a job offer should be frowned upon.
>
> Uh, how would we police that?

Well, that's a different question :-)

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Re: Advertising on the community blog

2009-12-18T11:59:49Z

> The issue Magnus specifically asked about is whether or not we want to
> have job postings on planet.postgresql.org.

I stated my opinion already -- no. It's too hard to have a consistent
set of acceptance rules.

I think it's ok to have a link to a job post in a longer blog about
something else.

Mind you, Theo's post is still a grey area; it's a job post, but it's
also other stuff.

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Re: Advertising on the community blog

2009-12-18T11:58:15Z

Alvaro Herrera wrote:
> Selena Deckelmann escribi?:
>
> > The issue Magnus specifically asked about is whether or not we want to
> > have job postings on planet.postgresql.org.
> >
> > My vote is no, and I suggest that job postings be directed to pgsql-jobs.
>
> Yeah, and interestingly nobody but you answered the question.

I vote the blog posting was inappropriate too.

> Personally I have no problem with job postings assuming that the poster
> is already a planet-aggregated blogger. Getting a blog up just for
> posting a job offer should be frowned upon.

Uh, how would we police that?

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Re: Advertising on the community blog

2009-12-18T11:49:10Z

Selena Deckelmann escribió:

> The issue Magnus specifically asked about is whether or not we want to
> have job postings on planet.postgresql.org.
>
> My vote is no, and I suggest that job postings be directed to pgsql-jobs.

Yeah, and interestingly nobody but you answered the question.

Personally I have no problem with job postings assuming that the poster
is already a planet-aggregated blogger. Getting a blog up just for
posting a job offer should be frowned upon.

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Re: Advertising on the community blog

2009-12-18T11:33:53Z

On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 11:20 AM, Josh Berkus <josh@...> wrote:

>
>> Personally I hate the fact that I can't read the posts directly on
>> planet. Being forced to open someone's blog means I normally skip that
>> particular piece of junk and read what's published as a whole in the
>> planet. Yes, it means I don't read you nor Fetter normally (maybe
>> others) -- are you guys just trying to up your hit counts?
>
> Whereas I would prefer it if all planet listings were just 4-8 lines
> with a link, so that I could scroll over the entries and only click
> through to the ones I wanted to read. It's an aggregator, not a blog
> itself.

You're all free to write your own aggregation software that does this
exactly the way that you want. :)

The issue Magnus specifically asked about is whether or not we want to
have job postings on planet.postgresql.org.

My vote is no, and I suggest that job postings be directed to pgsql-jobs.

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Re: New Award

2009-12-18T11:29:58Z

:-)

On 12/18/09, Josh Berkus <josh@...> wrote:

> On 12/18/09 10:42 AM, Dave Page wrote:
>> Can we stick to awards from recognisable entities that aren't just
>> trying to improve their SEO?
>
> Oh, you're so picky! :-(
>
> I think "PostgreSQL for Win" should be our new slogan. Much better than
> "most advanced open source database".
>
> --Josh
>
>

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Re: Advertising on the community blog

2009-12-18T11:23:51Z

On Fri, 2009-12-18 at 11:20 -0800, Josh Berkus wrote:

> > Personally I hate the fact that I can't read the posts directly on
> > planet. Being forced to open someone's blog means I normally skip that
> > particular piece of junk and read what's published as a whole in the
> > planet. Yes, it means I don't read you nor Fetter normally (maybe
> > others) -- are you guys just trying to up your hit counts?
>
> Whereas I would prefer it if all planet listings were just 4-8 lines
> with a link, so that I could scroll over the entries and only click
> through to the ones I wanted to read. It's an aggregator, not a blog
> itself.

Right.

Joshua D. Drake

>
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>
>

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Re: Advertising on the community blog

2009-12-18T11:20:07Z

> Personally I hate the fact that I can't read the posts directly on
> planet. Being forced to open someone's blog means I normally skip that
> particular piece of junk and read what's published as a whole in the
> planet. Yes, it means I don't read you nor Fetter normally (maybe
> others) -- are you guys just trying to up your hit counts?

Whereas I would prefer it if all planet listings were just 4-8 lines
with a link, so that I could scroll over the entries and only click
through to the ones I wanted to read. It's an aggregator, not a blog
itself.

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Re: Advertising on the community blog

2009-12-18T11:20:05Z

On Fri, 2009-12-18 at 16:09 -0300, Alvaro Herrera wrote:
> Personally I hate the fact that I can't read the posts directly on
> planet.

Then use http://planetpostgresql.org ;)
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Re: Advertising on the community blog

2009-12-18T11:09:47Z

Josh Berkus wrote:
> All,
>
> I don't actually have a problem with *that particular post* except that
> Theo should have used lead/link so that only the first paragraph
> appeared on Planet.

Personally I hate the fact that I can't read the posts directly on
planet. Being forced to open someone's blog means I normally skip that
particular piece of junk and read what's published as a whole in the
planet. Yes, it means I don't read you nor Fetter normally (maybe
others) -- are you guys just trying to up your hit counts?

But then maybe it's just me.

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Re: Advertising on the community blog

2009-12-18T10:57:51Z

2009/12/18 Joshua D. Drake <jd@...>:
> On Fri, 2009-12-18 at 10:47 -0800, Josh Berkus wrote:
>> All,
>>
>> I don't actually have a problem with *that particular post* except that
>> Theo should have used lead/link so that only the first paragraph
>> appeared on Planet.
>>
>
> Agreed, but that is something planet could enforce on its own as well.

It already does. It's just a matter of tuning the length, which has
changed *many* times. If you look at the post, you'll see it is
actually truncated. Perhaps it's truncated too late, but that's just
the matter of a config parameter...

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Re: Advertising on the community blog

2009-12-18T10:54:35Z

On Fri, 2009-12-18 at 10:47 -0800, Josh Berkus wrote:
> All,
>
> I don't actually have a problem with *that particular post* except that
> Theo should have used lead/link so that only the first paragraph
> appeared on Planet.
>

Agreed, but that is something planet could enforce on its own as well.

> However, I'm very concerned that setting a precedent of allowing want
> ads on Planet could cause a deluge of far less desirable posts. So I
> think we should make it a policy not to allow it in the future.

I don't see that as a problem because you can't just "be a part of
planet". It isn't a crawling aggregator.

Joshua D. Drake

>
> --Josh Berkus
>
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Re: Advertising on the community blog

2009-12-18T10:53:42Z

On Fri, 2009-12-18 at 13:46 -0500, Greg Smith wrote:

> Devrim GÜNDÜZ wrote:
> > On Fri, 2009-12-18 at 19:11 +0100, Stefan Kaltenbrunner wrote:
> >
> > > > I would remove the subcriber from planet.
> > > >
> > > I think that would be quite an overreaction.
> > >
> >
> > I disagree. If we won't apply rules, why do we write it?
> >
>
> In some people's minds, "advertising" means you're trying to sell
> something, whereas Theo's trying to buy something (in this case, some
> future employee's soul). Now, a quick check of ye olde
> Merriam-Webster suggests advertising is "the action of calling
> something to the attention of the public..."

Following this, there is no posting allowed about PgCon, East, West,
Tungsten, Postgres Plus, GridSQL, or PostgreSQL releases.

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Re: New Award

2009-12-18T10:47:52Z

Josh Berkus wrote:
> I think "PostgreSQL for Win" should be our new slogan. Much better than
> "most advanced open source database".
>

I think you've found a new candidate for the long-running debate over
what should get printed on the next batch of coffee mugs.

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Re: Advertising on the community blog

2009-12-18T10:47:34Z

All,

I don't actually have a problem with *that particular post* except that
Theo should have used lead/link so that only the first paragraph
appeared on Planet.

However, I'm very concerned that setting a precedent of allowing want
ads on Planet could cause a deluge of far less desirable posts. So I
think we should make it a policy not to allow it in the future.

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Re: Advertising on the community blog

2009-12-18T10:46:13Z

Devrim GÜNDÜZ wrote:

On Fri, 2009-12-18 at 19:11 +0100, Stefan Kaltenbrunner wrote:

I would remove the subcriber from planet.

I think that would be quite an overreaction.


I disagree. If we won't apply rules, why do we write it?

In some people's minds, "advertising" means you're trying to sell something, whereas Theo's trying to buy something (in this case, some future employee's soul). Now, a quick check of ye olde Merriam-Webster suggests advertising is "the action of calling something to the attention of the public..." which means that this is technically a violation, and a knee-jerk banning could be justified if you really wanted to be a jerk about it. But I think you need a clarification of policy in this fuzzy area before you're justified in kicking people out for violating it.

Had there been an explicit policy against soliciting for a job, I'm sure the commentary about the changing role of the DBA--which is itself an interesting topic I enjoyed reading his thoughts about and completely appropriate for Planet distribution IMHO--would have been rewritten to be more general and just ended with suggesting OmniTI likes to work with such people instead.

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Re: New Award

2009-12-18T10:45:03Z

On 12/18/09 10:42 AM, Dave Page wrote:
> Can we stick to awards from recognisable entities that aren't just
> trying to improve their SEO?

Oh, you're so picky! :-(

I think "PostgreSQL for Win" should be our new slogan. Much better than
"most advanced open source database".

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Re: New Award

2009-12-18T10:42:13Z

Can we stick to awards from recognisable entities that aren't just
trying to improve their SEO?

On 12/18/09, Josh Berkus <josh@...> wrote:

> WWW Team,
>
> Can we put this on our awards page? I especially like their truncation
> of the name.
>
> --Josh Berkus
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Granted Editor's Pick to PostgreSQL for Win
> Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 10:40:06 -0600
> From: DownloadRoute.com <support@...>
> Reply-To: DownloadRoute.com <support@...>
> To: PostgreSQL Global Development Group <josh@...>
>
>
>
> DownloadRoute.com - The huge files archive with more than 74.400
> software tites
>
> Hello Sir/Madam,
>
> this is not a spam.
>
> Your software "PostgreSQL for Win"
> <http://www.downloadroute.com/PostgreSQL-for-Win-PostgreSQL-Global-Development-Group/awards.html>
> has been chosen by our visitors and was selected as an *editorial pick*.
> We are impressed by the quality and cleanliness of the program.
>
> <http://www.downloadroute.com/PostgreSQL-for-Win-PostgreSQL-Global-Development-Group/awards.html>
>
> You can keep this award in the future, if you put it on the site.
>
>
>
> Sincerely,
> George
> DownloadRoute.com team
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Re: Advertising on the community blog

2009-12-18T10:39:34Z

On Fri, 2009-12-18 at 19:12 +0100, Magnus Hagander wrote:

> > I do not see the OmniTI (being coy about it is silly) posting by Theo as
> > anything other than what it is, a job posting that is PostgreSQL related
> > that talks about what the company is.
>

> That is one part of the question. The other one is to decide if you
> think it's a job post or advertising. It certainly *comes across* as
> advertising, but I don't think it was necessarily *intended* to be.
>

Well I think my thoughts are pretty clear but I don't see this as
advertising at all. I see it as a description of culture within a
company that is posting a job opportunity. It doesn't read like
advertising. It is all mindset and knowing Theo, he is sincere in his
representation.

I think it is true that the real question is, "do we allow job
postings?"

> I think it's pretty borderline, which is also pretty obvious from the
> very different opinions of the posters on this thread.
>

The trend for blogs is that it is becoming the central point of
communication for whoever is writing the blog. It is becoming
increasingly common to have "company" or "project" blogs as well, where
it is not singular but an aggregate of information.

In short, blogging is becoming the nature of press releases, news,
opinions etc... all in one. Exactly how many barriers are we going to
put up for our community (Theo is a member of our Community and OmniTI
is a sponsor) and sponsors to communicate?

Joshua D. Drake

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