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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26529000</id>
	<title>Re: Desempenho no Linux</title>
	<published>2009-11-26T04:48:52Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-26T04:48:52Z</updated>
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		<name>Wolak Sistemas - Fabiano Machado Dias</name>
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Pablo Sánchez escreveu:
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  &lt;pre wrap=&quot;&quot;&gt;2009/11/26 Wolak Sistemas - Fabiano Machado Dias &lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=26529000&amp;i=0&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;fabiano@...&lt;/a&gt;:
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    &lt;pre wrap=&quot;&quot;&gt;Pessoal, não vamos esquecer de outros fatores que fazem o Linux ter um
desempenho muito melhor.

- Sistemas de aquivos (Qual a opção que existe no Windows além de NTFS?)
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  &lt;pre wrap=&quot;&quot;&gt;&lt;!----&gt;
Mas será que precisa de algum outro além desse para ele? (obs, existe
fat32, vc pode compilar partições maiores que 4GB de fat32 utilizando
uma ferramenta chamada fat32format.exe - não é padrão do windows, mas
é gratuita&lt;/pre&gt;
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FAT 32? Bah, tá loco, isso nem deveria ser considerado um sistema de
arquivos. E acho que é importante você poder contar com mais opção de
file system, já tive situações onde coloquei os dados em XFS, indíces
em EXT2, e logs em ReiserFS. &lt;br&gt;
Era um caso específico e a performance ficou melhor, mas me diz qual a
opção que teria em Windows? Nenhuma!&lt;br&gt;
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  &lt;pre wrap=&quot;&quot;&gt;&lt;/pre&gt;
  &lt;blockquote type=&quot;cite&quot;&gt;
    &lt;pre wrap=&quot;&quot;&gt;- Parâmetros do Kernel (Só se você por um expert no registro do Windows,
quais os parâmetros que você pode mudar?)
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  &lt;pre wrap=&quot;&quot;&gt;&lt;!----&gt;
Eu faço uma limpeza de alguns parâmetros que já conheço serem
desnecessários e que só deixam o OS mais lento, mas isso desde o winnt
4... então meio que realmente, não sei de muita gente que faça isso na
mão hoje em dia.

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Blz, acho que pode até ser válido, agora muda os semáforos do SO,
ajusta a memória compartilhada, muda o tamanho da pilha, e outra sem
reiniciar o sistema, afinal tu vai derrubar a empresa só pra mudar
alguns parâmetros?&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
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  &lt;pre wrap=&quot;&quot;&gt;&lt;/pre&gt;
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    &lt;pre wrap=&quot;&quot;&gt;- Instalação via código fonte (Sei que tb dá pra compilar no Windows, mas
duvido alguém que faça sem dor de cabeça e tb duvido do desempenho)
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Sem dor de cabeça é complicado mesmo, mas vai falar com o Guilherme
Blanco que é o cara responsável pelo windows.php.net. ;-)

  &lt;/pre&gt;
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    &lt;pre wrap=&quot;&quot;&gt;- Melhor uso de hardware (Isso é senso comum, o Linux faz uso do hardware de
maneira muito mais otimizada que o Windows)
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Senso comum não é comprovação. Os drivers de placas 3D para windows
são no geral muito melhores que o do Linux, até mesmo porque tem
pouquíssima placa com driver oficial para o Linux...

É senso comum que o céu é azul, mas é cientificamente comprovado que
não existem as cores, apenas o espectro de luz. A cor é mera
interpretação do cérebro, e o que é azul para mim (ou seja, exatamente
como meu cérebro me apresenta) poderia ser o verde para vc.

Senso comum é subjetivo, não serve como parâmetro... é a interpretação
ordinária de cada um sobre o que todo mundo fala e quase ninguém para
para comprovar.

Tem pesquisas por aí que suportam a argumentação, e acho que nosso
amigo precisa delas, e não de &quot;senso comum&quot;.

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Bom quis dizer senso comum porque a maioria das pessoas que trabalham e
conhecem o Linux sabem disso, mas só para elucidar o porque posso citar
algumas coisas:&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
- Linux e o Kernel foram feitos para rodar em hardware barato, desde o
início a preocupação com performance foi uma constante.&lt;br&gt;
- O uso de memória e processador e a maneira de controlar os processos
são melhores que qualquer sistema Windows, até pouco tempo atrás o
Windows tinha problema em gerenciar 4 gb de memória.&lt;br&gt;
- Drivers de Placa 3d? Bom estamos ou pelo menos eu estava falando em
servidores, onde os drivers realmente importantes são os das
controladoras de disco, rede etc... &lt;br&gt;
Lembro de uma situação onde estava instalando um Debian em um servidor
Dell, durante a instalação veio uma mensagem dizendo que eu precisaria
de um pacote para a atualização do firmware da placa de rede, pois a
mesma tinha problemas no driver nativo.&lt;br&gt;
Entrei no repositório de pacotes, baixei, pluguei um pendrive e a
instalação continuou e este server está rodando até agora.&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
Talvez a expressão senso comum não foi a mais correta, mas sei lá até
leigos hoje em dia sabem que Linux é mais rápido que Windows, talvez
porque é o sistema mais usado em servidores no mundo inteiro, sei lá!&lt;br&gt;
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    &lt;pre wrap=&quot;&quot;&gt;- Segurança (Bom como diz o Telles &quot;Existem 2 tipos de Windows, aquele que
tem vírus e aquele que você acha que não tem vírus&quot;)

Para convencer o seu cliente você poderia fazer uma instalação em um
servidor da sua própria em empresa e comparar o desempenho, duvido que ele
não irá se convencer.

Abraço,
Fabiano



Euler Taveira de Oliveira escreveu:

Pablo Sánchez escreveu:


&quot;PostgreSQL performance is very close on both platforms (within 6/100
of a second for 1000 Operations) – It’s faster on Windows and faster
still on Windows with PHP 5.3&quot;



Ugh?! Quem disse que 'SELECT * FROM tabela' mede performance de um SGBD? O
autor deve estar brincando, né? Temos benchmarks padronizados (aka TPC) para
isso; eles implementam modelos que simulam um ambiente real de acordo com a
arquitetura (OLTP, OLAP ou Web) do seu sistema.



Não conheço nenhuma diferença... Com exceção do fato de que há
tunnings que podem ser feitos com os semáforos do kernel em
Linux/FreeBSD que não se conseguem no Windows.



Como eu disse esses conceito *não* existe (é emulado) no Windows.




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	<title>How are blobs (oid) stored?</title>
	<published>2009-11-26T04:45:48Z</published>
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		<name>Jérôme Etévé</name>
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&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I know this is none of the user's business, but I'm wondering how
&lt;br&gt;blob's implemented as oid are stored in the postgresql data storage.
&lt;br&gt;Are each of them kept in a separate file, or are they chunked into
&lt;br&gt;pieces and scattered ?
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thanks !
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Jerome.
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	<title>Re: Desempenho no Linux</title>
	<published>2009-11-26T04:42:10Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-26T04:42:10Z</updated>
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		<name>Sebastian SWC-2</name>
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	<content type="html">2009/11/26 Pablo Sánchez &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=26528924&amp;i=0&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;phackwer@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt;:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 2009/11/26 Sebastian SWC &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=26528924&amp;i=1&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;sebastianswc@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt;:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; A não ser que ele tenha alguém experiente em FreeBSD na equipe não
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; parece uma boa idéia.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Não sabemos nem se ele tem alguém experiente em Linux na equipe (não
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; digo na dele, digo na do cliente).
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Tudo depende quem gerencia o servidor. Se o cliente deixa tudo por
&lt;br&gt;conta do fornecedor, é possível que não faça diferença desde que tudo
&lt;br&gt;funciona normalmente. Cada caso é um caso. Sem muitos detalhes fica
&lt;br&gt;bem difícil opinar.
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	<title>Re: Desempenho no Linux</title>
	<published>2009-11-26T04:38:42Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-26T04:38:42Z</updated>
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		<name>Pablo Sánchez-2</name>
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&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; A não ser que ele tenha alguém experiente em FreeBSD na equipe não
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; parece uma boa idéia.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Não sabemos nem se ele tem alguém experiente em Linux na equipe (não
&lt;br&gt;digo na dele, digo na do cliente).
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	<title>Re: Desempenho no Linux</title>
	<published>2009-11-26T04:37:51Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-26T04:37:51Z</updated>
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		<name>Pablo Sánchez-2</name>
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	<content type="html">2009/11/26 Sebastian SWC &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=26528860&amp;i=0&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;sebastianswc@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt;:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Se o cliente questiona o custo do software dê a sugestão de linux
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;quot;pago&amp;quot; como o RedHat, etc, etc. Com todas as respostas na mão o
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; cliente não tem como negar a migração do sistema operacional. O único
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; motivo que pode impedir é que o cliente utilize essa máquina para
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; outro proposito secundário e não tenha como colocar esses serviços em
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; outra máquina/servidor.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Considerando o fato do servidor já ser dedicado, acho que não vai ser
&lt;br&gt;problema. Tem que ver é se o pessoal da rede vai dar conta ou topar o
&lt;br&gt;desafio... Espero que eles topem.
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	<title>Re: Desempenho no Linux</title>
	<published>2009-11-26T04:36:43Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-26T04:36:43Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Sebastian SWC-2</name>
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	<content type="html">2009/11/26 Pablo Sánchez &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=26528842&amp;i=0&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;phackwer@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt;:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;lt;corte&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Enfim... o jeito é fazer benchmarks próprios para verificar o
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; desempenho entre os dois SO. Uma vantagem que visualizo com a troca
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; para Linux é que não existirá muita coisa rodando como serviço, coisa
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; que infelizmente o Windows possui desde a sua concepção.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Não é bem assim... O Linux tb tem vários processos rodando à toa por
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; lá. Se quer usar um OS para isso, te aconselho FreeBSD ao invés do
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Linux.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;A não ser que ele tenha alguém experiente em FreeBSD na equipe não
&lt;br&gt;parece uma boa idéia.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;-- 
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&lt;br&gt;Sebastian Selau Webber Colombo
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<entry>
	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26528843</id>
	<title>Re: Query times change by orders of magnitude as DB ages</title>
	<published>2009-11-26T04:36:16Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-26T04:36:16Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Sergey Aleynikov</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">Hello,
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;2009/11/25 Richard Neill &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=26528843&amp;i=0&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;rn214@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt;:
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Also, if you find odd statistics of freshly analyzed table - try
&lt;br&gt;increasing statistics target, using
&lt;br&gt;ALTER TABLE .. ALTER COLUMN .. SET STATISTICS ...
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If you're using defaults - it's again low for large tables. Start with
&lt;br&gt;200, for example.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Best regards,
&lt;br&gt;Sergey Aleynikov
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	<title>Error on VACCUM ANALYZE</title>
	<published>2009-11-26T04:34:58Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-26T04:34:58Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>A.Bhattacharya</name>
	</author>
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<entry>
	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26528807</id>
	<title>Re: Desempenho no Linux</title>
	<published>2009-11-26T04:34:15Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-26T04:34:15Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Sebastian SWC-2</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">2009/11/26 Pablo Sánchez &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=26528807&amp;i=0&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;phackwer@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt;:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;lt;corte&amp;gt;
&lt;div class='shrinkable-quote'&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Eu acho que tem que fazer uma análise um pouco mais profunda do que
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; poderia estar acontecendo. Sugerir a troca do OS que o cliente já
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; adquiriu licença e tem suporte (deve ter algum admin lá windowzer) é
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; complicado. &amp;quot;Vamos usar este, que é de graça e é melhor&amp;quot;. Poucas
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; pessoas entendem que esse &amp;quot;de graça&amp;quot; não é realmente de graça - quem
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; vai administrar o servidor? - e mais ainda, que neste caso o &amp;quot;de
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; graça&amp;quot; realmente é melhor (de graça o santo desconfia que é
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; des-graça).
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br&gt;Se o cliente questiona o custo do software dê a sugestão de linux
&lt;br&gt;&amp;quot;pago&amp;quot; como o RedHat, etc, etc. Com todas as respostas na mão o
&lt;br&gt;cliente não tem como negar a migração do sistema operacional. O único
&lt;br&gt;motivo que pode impedir é que o cliente utilize essa máquina para
&lt;br&gt;outro proposito secundário e não tenha como colocar esses serviços em
&lt;br&gt;outra máquina/servidor.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;-- 
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&lt;br&gt;Sebastian Selau Webber Colombo
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<entry>
	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26528776</id>
	<title>Re: Desempenho no Linux</title>
	<published>2009-11-26T04:31:42Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-26T04:31:42Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Pablo Sánchez-2</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">2009/11/26 Tiago Adami &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=26528776&amp;i=0&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;adamitj@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt;:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; (corte das mensagens anteriores)
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Respondendo à todos os posts (economizando texto):
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; A idéia de que o PostgreSQL foi feito _para_ linux e _portado_ para o
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Windows está baseada no fato de que foi desenvolvido sob a licença
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; BSD, portanto _assumi_ que dificilmente os desenvolvedores iniciais
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; estivessem utilizando Windows (me corrijam se estiver errado).
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Na verdade, ele foi desenvolvido para os BSDs (FreeBSD, por exemplo,
&lt;br&gt;ou outros Unices derivados do BSD mesmo) e depois portado para o
&lt;br&gt;Linux, ou seja, afirmar que é melhor no Linux porque para o Windows
&lt;br&gt;foi portado é o mesmo que dizer que no Linux não seria bom, já que ele
&lt;br&gt;também foi portado para o Linux.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Vide a história do PostgreSQL, e vai ver que em 1987 não existia
&lt;br&gt;Linux... mas já tinha os BSDs (não o Free, nem o Open, nem o Net, que
&lt;br&gt;só vieram anos depois que a universidade de Berkeley liberou as
&lt;br&gt;BSDTapes.., mas mesmo assim, esses são sistemas derivados do código
&lt;br&gt;original de 1969...)
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Já investigamos a causa da lentidão antes. Aparentemente não há nada
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; de incomum, apenas a velocidade para consultas simples (cadastros de
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; itens, por exemplo) torna-se baixa e tarefas como gravação de nota
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; fiscal que levavam segundos passam a demorar minutos.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Já checou se o HD está ok? Problemas físicos podem fazer com que o HD
&lt;br&gt;fique tentando gravar e gravar e gravar e desvie de setores
&lt;br&gt;defeituosos para localizar alguns pouco blocks que estejam ok.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;div class='shrinkable-quote'&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; São mais de 30 usuários simultâneos em um sistema cliente/servidor
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; (conecta ao fazer login, desconecta ao fechar o aplicativo). O volume
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; transacional é considerado alto, visto que a todo momento alguma
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; operação é feita nos terminais simultaneamente.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Também, não conseguimos identificar nenhum outro aplicativo que faça o
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; consumo de recursos do servidor. Mas...
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; ... o array dos dois discos que contém o banco possui pastas
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; compartilhadas sim, e com muitos arquivos nela. Isto passou
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; despercebido em um primeiro momento. Mesmo assim, a atividade nestas
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; pastas é muito pequena, não justifica a queda de desempenho tão brusca
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; que ocorreu de uns dias para cá.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Enfim... o jeito é fazer benchmarks próprios para verificar o
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; desempenho entre os dois SO. Uma vantagem que visualizo com a troca
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; para Linux é que não existirá muita coisa rodando como serviço, coisa
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; que infelizmente o Windows possui desde a sua concepção.
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br&gt;Não é bem assim... O Linux tb tem vários processos rodando à toa por
&lt;br&gt;lá. Se quer usar um OS para isso, te aconselho FreeBSD ao invés do
&lt;br&gt;Linux.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;-- 
&lt;br&gt;=================================
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&lt;br&gt;Análise e Desenvolvimento de Sistemas Web
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26528750</id>
	<title>Re: cvs chapters in our docs</title>
	<published>2009-11-26T04:30:22Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-26T04:30:22Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Robert Haas</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 6:44 AM, Magnus Hagander &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=26528750&amp;i=0&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;magnus@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt; wrote:
&lt;div class='shrinkable-quote'&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 12:29, Robert Haas &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=26528750&amp;i=1&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;robertmhaas@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt; wrote:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 2:28 AM, Peter Eisentraut &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=26528750&amp;i=2&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;peter_e@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt; wrote:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; On ons, 2009-11-25 at 22:15 +0100, Magnus Hagander wrote:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 22:07, Peter Eisentraut &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=26528750&amp;i=3&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;peter_e@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt; wrote:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt; On ons, 2009-11-25 at 16:27 +0100, Magnus Hagander wrote:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; Attached is a patch which adds a chapter to git in our documentation,
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; around where we have several chapters about cvs today. It also removes
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; a few very out of date comments about cvs
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt; I think this whole chapter could be removed and the relevant information
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt; added to the web site or the wiki.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt; (Btw., it's spelled Git, not GIT.)
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Completely, or replaced with a reference to pages on the web/wiki?
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; I think the appendix in question could be removed completely, if the
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; content is adequately covered elsewhere.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; In the installation instructions chapter, there is a section &amp;quot;Getting
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; the Source&amp;quot;, which could warrant a link or reference to the appropriate
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; instructions on the web site.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; I have to say I'm not really impressed by the idea of removing things
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; from our documentation and replacing them with pages on the wiki.  The
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; documentation is better-written and easier to navigate.  Yeah, the
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; part about 28K modems is pretty silly, but we can fix that without
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; throwing the baby out with the bathwater...
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Well, my original suggestion had it still there, just not the
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; documentation that's not really ours to maintain (like how tags and
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; branches work in cvs). Are you ok with that path? (We already
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; reference the wiki for &amp;quot;how to work with CVS&amp;quot;, so there is nothing new
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; there)
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br&gt;Barring protests, I tend to agree that there's little point in keeping
&lt;br&gt;the CVSup documentation around. &amp;nbsp;I don't think it would be a bad thing
&lt;br&gt;to have a little bit of well-written documentation on CVS branches and
&lt;br&gt;tags, especially if it covered things like our particular tagging and
&lt;br&gt;branching conventions. &amp;nbsp;But the current contents of that page don't
&lt;br&gt;appear to be worth much, so I don't think we'd be losing much if we
&lt;br&gt;got rid of it. &amp;nbsp;Of course if someone wanted to rewrite it to be more
&lt;br&gt;useful that might be even better, but I'm not sure anyone wants to put
&lt;br&gt;in the effort.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;...Robert
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	<title>Re: Desempenho no Linux</title>
	<published>2009-11-26T04:30:02Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-26T04:30:02Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Sebastian SWC-2</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">2009/11/25 Tiago Adami &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=26528744&amp;i=0&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;adamitj@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt;:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Olá pessoal. Antes de começar, quero dizer que não sou xiita e
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; tampouco quero transformar este post em uma discussão sobre qual SO é
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; melhor por um ou outro motivo. Quero que o foco seja restrito apenas
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; ao uso do PostgreSQL.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Temos um cliente com uma base de dados onde o arquivo de backup no
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; formato compactado com &amp;quot;-F c -Z 9&amp;quot; tem próximo de 400 MB. Eu sei que
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; para o padrão de vocês é pouco, mas para nossa aplicação já é um
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; tamanho grande.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Tenhos clientes com dumps menores que esse... :P
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; O servidor do cliente é Windows 2008 64 bits, rodando
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; em um servidor Dell com Intel Xeon 3 Ghz de 4 núcleos e 4 GB de RAM e
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; um disco SCSI (sem RAID).
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Poxa, isso faz diferença. Nesse windão deve ter alguns
&lt;br&gt;compartilhamentos e serviços. Todos concorrendo com o postgres.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Neste servidor havia reclamações de lentidão. Acontecia em um
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; determinado horário (das 16:00hs em diante), e nada de anormal
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; aparecia no status do servidor (observado pelo pgAdmin). Existiam
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; apenas transações abertas desde às 08:00 hs da manhã no modo &amp;quot;In
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Transaction&amp;quot; ou &amp;quot;Idle&amp;quot;.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;A query estava 'in transaction' desde as 8h e ficou &amp;quot;pendurada&amp;quot; até
&lt;br&gt;agora? já descrobriu a causa disso?
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Mas de uns dias para cá, a lentidão passou a
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; ser incessante, mesmo sem atualizações do aplicativo, e não há
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; backup/restore ou vacuum que resolva. A versão atual rodando é a
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 8.2.13.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Primeiro, sugerimos a atualização para a versão 8.3.8 (homologada para
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; o nosso ERP, a 8.4.1 nem está em testes ainda). Mas sinceramente, este
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; é o primeiro passo apenas...
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Mudar a versão pode trazer alguns ganhos de desempenho, mas se você
&lt;br&gt;utiliza o padrão do postgresql.conf não deve ser grande a diferença. É
&lt;br&gt;o seu caso?
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;lt;corte&amp;gt;
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	<title>Re: How to start the &quot;auto_explain&quot; module</title>
	<published>2009-11-26T04:26:37Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-26T04:26:37Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>A. Kretschmer</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">In response to aymen marouani :
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Hi,
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; In order to profile my Postgres queries, I used
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; the &amp;quot;auto_explain.log_min_duration (integer)&amp;quot;.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; How can I load the auto_explain module ?
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Thanks in advance.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.depesz.com/index.php/2008/11/23/waiting-for-84-auto-explain/&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.depesz.com/index.php/2008/11/23/waiting-for-84-auto-explain/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Read that.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Andreas
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26528697</id>
	<title>Re: Desempenho no Linux</title>
	<published>2009-11-26T04:25:32Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-26T04:25:32Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Pablo Sánchez-2</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">2009/11/26 Pablo Sánchez &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=26528697&amp;i=0&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;phackwer@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt;:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; - Segurança (Bom como diz o Telles &amp;quot;Existem 2 tipos de Windows, aquele que
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; tem vírus e aquele que você acha que não tem vírus&amp;quot;)
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;tab + enter por acidente, desculpem.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Bom, então estou na segunda parcela, porque nem entro mais no windows
&lt;br&gt;do meu note, só para jogar e muito de vez em quando, hehehe.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Para convencer o seu cliente você poderia fazer uma instalação em um
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; servidor da sua própria em empresa e comparar o desempenho, duvido que ele
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; não irá se convencer.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Isso é verdade. A apresentação seria essencial. Mas aí vem a questão
&lt;br&gt;da realização dos testes e do cliente não achar que o teste foi
&lt;br&gt;maquiado ou manipulado, afinal de contas, ele está tentando salvar a
&lt;br&gt;reputação do sistema da empresa que não está rodando bem com a
&lt;br&gt;afirmação de que a culpa é de software de terceiros.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Eu acho que tem que fazer uma análise um pouco mais profunda do que
&lt;br&gt;poderia estar acontecendo. Sugerir a troca do OS que o cliente já
&lt;br&gt;adquiriu licença e tem suporte (deve ter algum admin lá windowzer) é
&lt;br&gt;complicado. &amp;quot;Vamos usar este, que é de graça e é melhor&amp;quot;. Poucas
&lt;br&gt;pessoas entendem que esse &amp;quot;de graça&amp;quot; não é realmente de graça - quem
&lt;br&gt;vai administrar o servidor? - e mais ainda, que neste caso o &amp;quot;de
&lt;br&gt;graça&amp;quot; realmente é melhor (de graça o santo desconfia que é
&lt;br&gt;des-graça).
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	<title>Re: Desempenho no Linux</title>
	<published>2009-11-26T04:20:06Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-26T04:20:06Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Pablo Sánchez-2</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">2009/11/26 Wolak Sistemas - Fabiano Machado Dias &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=26528650&amp;i=0&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;fabiano@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt;:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Pessoal, não vamos esquecer de outros fatores que fazem o Linux ter um
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; desempenho muito melhor.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; - Sistemas de aquivos (Qual a opção que existe no Windows além de NTFS?)
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Mas será que precisa de algum outro além desse para ele? (obs, existe
&lt;br&gt;fat32, vc pode compilar partições maiores que 4GB de fat32 utilizando
&lt;br&gt;uma ferramenta chamada fat32format.exe - não é padrão do windows, mas
&lt;br&gt;é gratuita)
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; - Parâmetros do Kernel (Só se você por um expert no registro do Windows,
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; quais os parâmetros que você pode mudar?)
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Eu faço uma limpeza de alguns parâmetros que já conheço serem
&lt;br&gt;desnecessários e que só deixam o OS mais lento, mas isso desde o winnt
&lt;br&gt;4... então meio que realmente, não sei de muita gente que faça isso na
&lt;br&gt;mão hoje em dia.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; - Instalação via código fonte (Sei que tb dá pra compilar no Windows, mas
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; duvido alguém que faça sem dor de cabeça e tb duvido do desempenho)
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Sem dor de cabeça é complicado mesmo, mas vai falar com o Guilherme
&lt;br&gt;Blanco que é o cara responsável pelo windows.php.net. ;-)
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; - Melhor uso de hardware (Isso é senso comum, o Linux faz uso do hardware de
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; maneira muito mais otimizada que o Windows)
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Senso comum não é comprovação. Os drivers de placas 3D para windows
&lt;br&gt;são no geral muito melhores que o do Linux, até mesmo porque tem
&lt;br&gt;pouquíssima placa com driver oficial para o Linux...
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;É senso comum que o céu é azul, mas é cientificamente comprovado que
&lt;br&gt;não existem as cores, apenas o espectro de luz. A cor é mera
&lt;br&gt;interpretação do cérebro, e o que é azul para mim (ou seja, exatamente
&lt;br&gt;como meu cérebro me apresenta) poderia ser o verde para vc.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Senso comum é subjetivo, não serve como parâmetro... é a interpretação
&lt;br&gt;ordinária de cada um sobre o que todo mundo fala e quase ninguém para
&lt;br&gt;para comprovar.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Tem pesquisas por aí que suportam a argumentação, e acho que nosso
&lt;br&gt;amigo precisa delas, e não de &amp;quot;senso comum&amp;quot;.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;div class='shrinkable-quote'&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; - Segurança (Bom como diz o Telles &amp;quot;Existem 2 tipos de Windows, aquele que
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; tem vírus e aquele que você acha que não tem vírus&amp;quot;)
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Para convencer o seu cliente você poderia fazer uma instalação em um
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; servidor da sua própria em empresa e comparar o desempenho, duvido que ele
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; não irá se convencer.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Abraço,
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Fabiano
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Euler Taveira de Oliveira escreveu:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Pablo Sánchez escreveu:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;quot;PostgreSQL performance is very close on both platforms (within 6/100
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; of a second for 1000 Operations) – It’s faster on Windows and faster
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; still on Windows with PHP 5.3&amp;quot;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Ugh?! Quem disse que 'SELECT * FROM tabela' mede performance de um SGBD? O
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; autor deve estar brincando, né? Temos benchmarks padronizados (aka TPC) para
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; isso; eles implementam modelos que simulam um ambiente real de acordo com a
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; arquitetura (OLTP, OLAP ou Web) do seu sistema.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Não conheço nenhuma diferença... Com exceção do fato de que há
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; tunnings que podem ser feitos com os semáforos do kernel em
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Linux/FreeBSD que não se conseguem no Windows.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Como eu disse esses conceito *não* existe (é emulado) no Windows.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
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	<title>Re: Desempenho no Linux</title>
	<published>2009-11-26T04:13:41Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-26T04:13:41Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Pablo Sánchez-2</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">2009/11/26 Euler Taveira de Oliveira &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=26528582&amp;i=0&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;euler@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt;:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Pablo Sánchez escreveu:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;quot;PostgreSQL performance is very close on both platforms (within 6/100
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; of a second for 1000 Operations) – It’s faster on Windows and faster
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; still on Windows with PHP 5.3&amp;quot;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Ugh?! Quem disse que 'SELECT * FROM tabela' mede performance de um SGBD? O
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; autor deve estar brincando, né? Temos benchmarks padronizados (aka TPC) para
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; isso; eles implementam modelos que simulam um ambiente real de acordo com a
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; arquitetura (OLTP, OLAP ou Web) do seu sistema.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Acho que o teste foi mais para medir o PHP que o PostgreSQL mesmo...
&lt;br&gt;Ainda assim, não é um teste muito profundo mesmo não...
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	<title>Re: Query times change by orders of magnitude as DB ages</title>
	<published>2009-11-26T04:11:54Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-26T04:11:54Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Sergey Aleynikov</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">Hello,
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;2009/11/25 Richard Neill &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=26528571&amp;i=0&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;rn214@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt;:
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;It's a simple query, but using a complex view. So I can't really re-order it.
&lt;br&gt;View is inserted directly into your query by PG, and then reordered
&lt;br&gt;according to from_collapse_limit. Probably, problems lies in the view?
&lt;br&gt;How good is it performing? Or from_collapse_limit is _too low_, so
&lt;br&gt;view isn't expanded right?
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;Are you saying that this means that the query planner frequently makes the wrong choice here?
&lt;br&gt;Look at explain analyze. If on some step estimation from planner
&lt;br&gt;differs by (for start) two order of magnitude from what's really
&lt;br&gt;retrieved, then there's a wrong statistics count. But if, on every
&lt;br&gt;step, estimation is not too far away from reality - you suffer from
&lt;br&gt;what i've described - planner can't reoder efficiently enough query.
&lt;br&gt;Because of it happen sometimes - i suspect gego. Or wrong statistics.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;I hadn't changed it from the defaults; now I've changed it to:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; autovacuum_max_workers = 6
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; autovacuum_vacuum_scale_factor = 0.002
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; autovacuum_analyze_scale_factor = 0.001
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If your tables are not &amp;gt;100mln rows, that's agressive enough. On
&lt;br&gt;100mln rows, this'd analyze table every 100k changed
&lt;br&gt;(inserted/updated/deleted) rows. Is this enough for you? Default on
&lt;br&gt;large tables are definatly too low. If you get now consistent times -
&lt;br&gt;then you've been hit by wrong statistics.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Best regards,
&lt;br&gt;Sergey Aleynikov
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	<title>Re: Desempenho no Linux</title>
	<published>2009-11-26T04:09:34Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-26T04:09:34Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Tiago J. Adami</name>
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	<content type="html">&amp;gt; (corte das mensagens anteriores)
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Respondendo à todos os posts (economizando texto):
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;A idéia de que o PostgreSQL foi feito _para_ linux e _portado_ para o
&lt;br&gt;Windows está baseada no fato de que foi desenvolvido sob a licença
&lt;br&gt;BSD, portanto _assumi_ que dificilmente os desenvolvedores iniciais
&lt;br&gt;estivessem utilizando Windows (me corrijam se estiver errado).
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Já investigamos a causa da lentidão antes. Aparentemente não há nada
&lt;br&gt;de incomum, apenas a velocidade para consultas simples (cadastros de
&lt;br&gt;itens, por exemplo) torna-se baixa e tarefas como gravação de nota
&lt;br&gt;fiscal que levavam segundos passam a demorar minutos.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;São mais de 30 usuários simultâneos em um sistema cliente/servidor
&lt;br&gt;(conecta ao fazer login, desconecta ao fechar o aplicativo). O volume
&lt;br&gt;transacional é considerado alto, visto que a todo momento alguma
&lt;br&gt;operação é feita nos terminais simultaneamente.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Também, não conseguimos identificar nenhum outro aplicativo que faça o
&lt;br&gt;consumo de recursos do servidor. Mas...
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;... o array dos dois discos que contém o banco possui pastas
&lt;br&gt;compartilhadas sim, e com muitos arquivos nela. Isto passou
&lt;br&gt;despercebido em um primeiro momento. Mesmo assim, a atividade nestas
&lt;br&gt;pastas é muito pequena, não justifica a queda de desempenho tão brusca
&lt;br&gt;que ocorreu de uns dias para cá.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Enfim... o jeito é fazer benchmarks próprios para verificar o
&lt;br&gt;desempenho entre os dois SO. Uma vantagem que visualizo com a troca
&lt;br&gt;para Linux é que não existirá muita coisa rodando como serviço, coisa
&lt;br&gt;que infelizmente o Windows possui desde a sua concepção.
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	<title>Re: Bug report: pgadmin3-1.10.0 segmentation fault</title>
	<published>2009-11-26T04:08:30Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-26T04:08:30Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Dave Page-7</name>
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	<content type="html">Thanks - I've committed a fix for this to SVN.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Regards, Dave.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 4:39 PM, Chris Bainbridge
&lt;br&gt;&amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=26528531&amp;i=0&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;chris.bainbridge@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt; wrote:
&lt;div class='shrinkable-quote'&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 2nd post...
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; The table is actually big, I just mistook it for being small since it
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; takes several minutes to load. I think the problem is a race
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; condition. The window status bar shows &amp;quot;Refreshing data, please
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; wait.&amp;quot;, during which time I close the window and get a segmentation
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; fault. If I wait for the data to load and then close the window, then
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; there is no segmentation fault. Here's a backtrace with line numbers:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; wxWindowBase::DoUpdateWindowUI (this=0x8e05d58, event=...) at
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; ../src/common/wincmn.cpp:2212
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 2212    ../src/common/wincmn.cpp: No such file or directory.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;        in ../src/common/wincmn.cpp
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; (gdb) bt
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; #0  wxWindowBase::DoUpdateWindowUI (this=0x8e05d58, event=...) at
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; ../src/common/wincmn.cpp:2212
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; #1  0x01124ddc in wxTopLevelWindowBase::DoUpdateWindowUI
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; (this=0x8e05d58, event=...)
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;    at ../src/common/toplvcmn.cpp:406
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; #2  0x00ff5272 in wxTopLevelWindowBase::DoGetScreenPosition
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; (this=0x8e05d58, x=0x73, y=0x1)
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;    at ../include/wx/toplevel.h:273
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; #3  0x081b9e04 in frmEditGrid::Go (this=0x8e01c30) at ./frm/frmEditGrid.cpp:1295
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; #4  0x081b9212 in frmEditGrid::ShowForm (this=0x8e01c30, filter=false)
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; at ./frm/frmEditGrid.cpp:1194
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; #5  0x081c47f7 in editGridFactoryBase::ViewData (this=0x8d463b8,
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; form=0x8895418, obj=0x8e31600,
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;    filter=false) at ./frm/frmEditGrid.cpp:3050
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; #6  0x081c4c17 in editGridFactory::StartDialog (this=0x8d463b8,
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; form=0x8895418, obj=0x8e31600)
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;    at ./frm/frmEditGrid.cpp:3067
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; #7  0x0819bb6d in frmMain::OnAction (this=0x8895418, ev=...) at
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; ./frm/events.cpp:147
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; #8  0x008172cf in wxAppConsole::HandleEvent (this=0x8784450,
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; handler=0x8895418, func=0x8e05d58, event=...)
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;    at ../src/common/appbase.cpp:322
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; #9  0x008d5999 in wxEvtHandler::ProcessEventIfMatches (entry=...,
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; handler=0x8895418, event=...)
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;    at ../src/common/event.cpp:1231
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; #10 0x008d5cf8 in wxEvtHandler::SearchDynamicEventTable
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; (this=0x8895418, event=...)
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;    at ../src/common/event.cpp:1413
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; #11 0x008d7215 in wxEvtHandler::ProcessEvent (this=0x8895418,
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; event=...) at ../src/common/event.cpp:1289
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; #12 0x008d71d9 in wxEvtHandler::ProcessEvent (this=0x8895634,
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; event=...) at ../src/common/event.cpp:1300
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; #13 0x0112a9b9 in wxWindowBase::TryParent (this=0x8d21608, event=...)
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; at ../src/common/wincmn.cpp:2661
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; #14 0x008d71e9 in wxEvtHandler::ProcessEvent (this=0x8d21608,
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; event=...) at ../src/common/event.cpp:1306
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; #15 0x011204be in wxToolBarBase::OnLeftClick (this=0x8d21608, id=1250,
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; toggleDown=false)
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;    at ../src/common/tbarbase.cpp:596
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; #16 0x01085d1d in gtk_toolbar_callback (widget=0x8807a00,
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; tool=0x8d46da8) at ../src/gtk/tbargtk.cpp:197
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; #17 0x00b989fc in g_cclosure_marshal_VOID__VOID () from
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; #18 0x00b8b072 in g_closure_invoke () from /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; #19 0x00ba07a8 in ?? () from /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; #20 0x00ba1b2d in g_signal_emit_valist () from /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; #21 0x00ba1fb6 in g_signal_emit () from /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; #22 0x06cd988a in gtk_button_clicked () from /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; #23 0x06cdaea8 in ?? () from /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; #24 0x00b989fc in g_cclosure_marshal_VOID__VOID () from
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; #25 0x00b896f9 in ?? () from /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; #26 0x00b8b072 in g_closure_invoke () from /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; #27 0x00ba00b0 in ?? () from /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; #28 0x00ba1b2d in g_signal_emit_valist () from /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; #29 0x00ba1fb6 in g_signal_emit () from /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; #30 0x06cd992a in gtk_button_released () from /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; #31 0x06cd9963 in ?? () from /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; #32 0x06d99474 in ?? () from /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; #33 0x00b896f9 in ?? () from /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; #34 0x00b8b072 in g_closure_invoke () from /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; #35 0x00ba049e in ?? () from /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; #36 0x00ba19b8 in g_signal_emit_valist () from /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; #37 0x00ba1fb6 in g_signal_emit () from /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; #38 0x06eb596e in ?? () from /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; #39 0x06d91c20 in gtk_propagate_event () from /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; #40 0x06d92ea9 in gtk_main_do_event () from /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; #41 0x00d2962a in ?? () from /usr/lib/libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; #42 0x013e6e78 in g_main_context_dispatch () from /lib/libglib-2.0.so.0
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; #43 0x013ea720 in ?? () from /lib/libglib-2.0.so.0
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; #44 0x013eab8f in g_main_loop_run () from /lib/libglib-2.0.so.0
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; #45 0x06d93419 in gtk_main () from /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; #46 0x00ff1ec8 in wxEventLoop::Run (this=0x88073f0) at ../src/gtk/evtloop.cpp:76
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; #47 0x010932ac in wxAppBase::MainLoop (this=0x8784450) at
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; ../src/common/appcmn.cpp:312
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; #48 0x01093001 in wxAppBase::OnRun (this=0x8e05d58) at
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; ../src/common/appcmn.cpp:367
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; #49 0x0085f3ea in wxEntry (argc=@0x9596ac, argv=0x8772ae8) at
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; ../src/common/init.cpp:460
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; #50 0x0085f497 in wxEntry (argc=@0xbffff250, argv=0xbffff2f4) at
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; ../src/common/init.cpp:472
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; #51 0x0807dc43 in main (argc=1, argv=0xbffff2f4) at ./pgAdmin3.cpp:113
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26528516</id>
	<title>SVN Commit by dpage: r8093 - in branches/REL-1_10_0_PATCHES/pgadmin3: . pgadmin/frm pgadmin/include/frm</title>
	<published>2009-11-26T04:07:23Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-26T04:07:23Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>SVN-13</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">Author: dpage
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Date: 2009-11-26 12:07:23 +0000 (Thu, 26 Nov 2009)
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;New Revision: 8093
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Revision summary: &lt;a href=&quot;http://svn.pgadmin.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/?rev=8093&amp;view=rev&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://svn.pgadmin.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/?rev=8093&amp;view=rev&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Log:
&lt;br&gt;Prevent a crash if the edit grid is closed whilst it
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp;is loading data.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Modified:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;branches/REL-1_10_0_PATCHES/pgadmin3/CHANGELOG
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;branches/REL-1_10_0_PATCHES/pgadmin3/pgadmin/frm/frmEditGrid.cpp
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;branches/REL-1_10_0_PATCHES/pgadmin3/pgadmin/include/frm/frmEditGrid.h
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26528494</id>
	<title>Re: Profiling tool for postgres under win32</title>
	<published>2009-11-26T04:05:23Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-26T04:05:23Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Craig Ringer</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">On 26/11/2009 5:48 PM, aymen marouani wrote:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Hi,
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; I'm using the Postgres database system version 8.3 for a J2EE application.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; I'd &amp;nbsp;like to profile and monitor in &amp;quot;real time&amp;quot; the status of my queries
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; because I notice some slow loading.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Can anyone tell how to get a &amp;quot;good&amp;quot; profiling tool for the Postgres
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; database system ?
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I'm not aware of any tools that connect to the database to provide
&lt;br&gt;profiling and monitoring.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;What the right course of action is depends on what sort of slowdown
&lt;br&gt;you're encountering. If it's particular activities within the program
&lt;br&gt;that're a problem, then you should probably use logging in your
&lt;br&gt;application to record database activity (including query runtimes) to
&lt;br&gt;see what exactly it's doing.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If it's unpredictable slowdowns in operations that are normally fast,
&lt;br&gt;then you need to look at the database end. Look into locking issues (
&lt;br&gt;see: pg_catalog.pg_locks ), table bloat and VACUUM / autovacuum, and the
&lt;br&gt;possibility of simple concurrent load spikes ( see
&lt;br&gt;pg_catalog.pg_stat_activity ).
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Typically what you'll do if you're seeing unpredictably slow queries is
&lt;br&gt;use log_min_duration to log problem statements to the PostgreSQL log,
&lt;br&gt;which you can then analyse. If you enable CSV logging, you can pull the
&lt;br&gt;PostgreSQL log into a database, spreadsheet, or whatever for easier
&lt;br&gt;analysis.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The new auto_explain module in 8.4 is excellent and very helpful too,
&lt;br&gt;since it can help you find out what plans were used to execute problem
&lt;br&gt;queries easily and conveniently.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Of course, this won't help you much if your problem is an application
&lt;br&gt;issuing *huge* numbers of very small queries. You can set Pg to log
&lt;br&gt;every query, but you'll rapidly have an apalling amount of data to troll
&lt;br&gt;through, and it's hard to know which ones are related to user-perceived
&lt;br&gt;slowdowns. Application logging is usually a better option for tracking
&lt;br&gt;this sort of thing down.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Out of interest, how are you talking to PostgreSQL? Hand-written SQL via
&lt;br&gt;JDBC? Hibernate / TopLink / some other ORM (possibly via JPA)?
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If you're using Hibernate, just enable its query logging features via
&lt;br&gt;log4j and watch what happens.
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26528454</id>
	<title>SVN Commit by dpage: r8092 - in trunk/pgadmin3: . pgadmin/frm pgadmin/include/frm</title>
	<published>2009-11-26T04:02:40Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-26T04:02:40Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>SVN-13</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">Author: dpage
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Date: 2009-11-26 12:02:39 +0000 (Thu, 26 Nov 2009)
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;New Revision: 8092
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Revision summary: &lt;a href=&quot;http://svn.pgadmin.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/?rev=8092&amp;view=rev&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://svn.pgadmin.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/?rev=8092&amp;view=rev&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Log:
&lt;br&gt;Prevent a crash if the edit grid is closed whilst it
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp;is loading data.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Modified:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;trunk/pgadmin3/CHANGELOG
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;trunk/pgadmin3/pgadmin/frm/frmEditGrid.cpp
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26528285</id>
	<title>Re: Return next</title>
	<published>2009-11-26T03:47:19Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-26T03:47:19Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>jorge vilela</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">Bom dia pessoal,&lt;div&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;O que o andré falou está dando certo, criei uma outra variável e estou jogando de pouco a pouco na saída..&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;O que eu precisava era a união dos registros (consigo isso da forma que o andré disse), e precisava recuperar registros dos 3 records de forma aleatória.&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div&gt;Consegui resolver, usei a forma do andré e chamo a procedure assim: select * from procedure() order by random();&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Funcionou belezinha =D&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt; Valeww pessoal =)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br clear=&quot;all&quot;&gt;
Jorge Vilela&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;gmail_quote&quot;&gt;2009/11/25 Osvaldo Kussama &lt;span dir=&quot;ltr&quot;&gt;&amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=26528285&amp;i=0&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;osvaldo.kussama@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;blockquote class=&quot;gmail_quote&quot; style=&quot;margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;&quot;&gt;
2009/11/25 Jorge Vilela &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://jorge.com.br&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;jorge.com.br&lt;/a&gt;@&lt;a href=&quot;http://gmail.com&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;gmail.com&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt;:&lt;br&gt;
&lt;div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;h5&quot;&gt;&amp;gt; Pessoal,&lt;br&gt;
&amp;gt; Hoje precisei criar uma procedure com varios selects, que rodam varios (for&lt;br&gt;
&amp;gt; record in sql loop end loop).&lt;br&gt;
&amp;gt; No fim precisava juntar os records de retorno de todos os selects... Algo&lt;br&gt;
&amp;gt; como:&lt;br&gt;
&amp;gt; FOR record1 IN&lt;br&gt;
&amp;gt; SELECT id, nome, email FROM pessoa ORDER BY RANDOM() LIMIT 5&lt;br&gt;
&amp;gt; LOOP&lt;br&gt;
&amp;gt; //FAZ NADA&lt;br&gt;
&amp;gt; END LOOP;&lt;br&gt;
&amp;gt; FOR record2 IN&lt;br&gt;
&amp;gt; SELECT id, nome, email FROM pessoa ORDER BY RANDOM() LIMIT 3&lt;br&gt;
&amp;gt; LOOP&lt;br&gt;
&amp;gt; //FAZ NADA&lt;br&gt;
&amp;gt; END LOOP;&lt;br&gt;
&amp;gt; FOR record3 IN&lt;br&gt;
&amp;gt; SELECT id, nome, email FROM pessoa ORDER BY RANDOM() LIMIT 2&lt;br&gt;
&amp;gt; LOOP&lt;br&gt;
&amp;gt; //FAZ NADA&lt;br&gt;
&amp;gt; END LOOP;&lt;br&gt;
&amp;gt; RETURN record1+record2+record3 EMBARALHADOS;&lt;br&gt;
&amp;gt;&lt;br&gt;
&amp;gt; Tem como? Dá pra fazer um &amp;quot;merge&amp;quot; embaralhando os records em um só e&lt;br&gt;
&amp;gt; retornando um set of tipos?&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;O que você quer dizer com isso?&lt;br&gt;
A concatenação dos registros? A união dos registros?&lt;br&gt;
&lt;font color=&quot;#888888&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;
Osvaldo&lt;br&gt;
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26528248</id>
	<title>Re: cvs chapters in our docs</title>
	<published>2009-11-26T03:44:53Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-26T03:44:53Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Magnus Hagander-2</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 12:29, Robert Haas &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=26528248&amp;i=0&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;robertmhaas@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt; wrote:
&lt;div class='shrinkable-quote'&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 2:28 AM, Peter Eisentraut &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=26528248&amp;i=1&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;peter_e@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt; wrote:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; On ons, 2009-11-25 at 22:15 +0100, Magnus Hagander wrote:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 22:07, Peter Eisentraut &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=26528248&amp;i=2&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;peter_e@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt; wrote:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt; On ons, 2009-11-25 at 16:27 +0100, Magnus Hagander wrote:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; Attached is a patch which adds a chapter to git in our documentation,
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; around where we have several chapters about cvs today. It also removes
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; a few very out of date comments about cvs
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt; I think this whole chapter could be removed and the relevant information
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt; added to the web site or the wiki.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt; (Btw., it's spelled Git, not GIT.)
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Completely, or replaced with a reference to pages on the web/wiki?
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; I think the appendix in question could be removed completely, if the
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; content is adequately covered elsewhere.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; In the installation instructions chapter, there is a section &amp;quot;Getting
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; the Source&amp;quot;, which could warrant a link or reference to the appropriate
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; instructions on the web site.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; I have to say I'm not really impressed by the idea of removing things
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; from our documentation and replacing them with pages on the wiki.  The
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; documentation is better-written and easier to navigate.  Yeah, the
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; part about 28K modems is pretty silly, but we can fix that without
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; throwing the baby out with the bathwater...
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br&gt;Well, my original suggestion had it still there, just not the
&lt;br&gt;documentation that's not really ours to maintain (like how tags and
&lt;br&gt;branches work in cvs). Are you ok with that path? (We already
&lt;br&gt;reference the wiki for &amp;quot;how to work with CVS&amp;quot;, so there is nothing new
&lt;br&gt;there)
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;-- 
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	<title>Re: cvs chapters in our docs</title>
	<published>2009-11-26T03:44:19Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-26T03:44:19Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Heikki Linnakangas-3</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">Robert Haas wrote:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 2:28 AM, Peter Eisentraut &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=26528235&amp;i=0&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;peter_e@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt; wrote:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; In the installation instructions chapter, there is a section &amp;quot;Getting
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; the Source&amp;quot;, which could warrant a link or reference to the appropriate
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; instructions on the web site.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; I have to say I'm not really impressed by the idea of removing things
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; from our documentation and replacing them with pages on the wiki. &amp;nbsp;The
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; documentation is better-written and easier to navigate. 
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I agree in general, but information about version control isn't really
&lt;br&gt;part of the product. For example, if we switch from CVS to Git, and
&lt;br&gt;decide to pull the plug on the CVS server (hypotethically; in reality
&lt;br&gt;I'm sure we'd leave the CVS server around for historical purposes), the
&lt;br&gt;information becomes obsolete.
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26528093</id>
	<title>Re: odbc driver leaks memory when connection failed</title>
	<published>2009-11-26T03:34:16Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-26T03:34:16Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Hiroshi Inoue</name>
	</author>
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&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Thank you very much for your quick support.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; I would commit the change to cvs.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; When do you estimate the date of official release ?
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In ten days or so, maybe.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;regards,
&lt;br&gt;Hiroshi Inoue
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26528044</id>
	<title>Re: cvs chapters in our docs</title>
	<published>2009-11-26T03:29:10Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-26T03:29:10Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Robert Haas</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 2:28 AM, Peter Eisentraut &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=26528044&amp;i=0&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;peter_e@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt; wrote:
&lt;div class='shrinkable-quote'&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; On ons, 2009-11-25 at 22:15 +0100, Magnus Hagander wrote:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 22:07, Peter Eisentraut &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=26528044&amp;i=1&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;peter_e@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt; wrote:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt; On ons, 2009-11-25 at 16:27 +0100, Magnus Hagander wrote:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; Attached is a patch which adds a chapter to git in our documentation,
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; around where we have several chapters about cvs today. It also removes
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; a few very out of date comments about cvs
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt; I think this whole chapter could be removed and the relevant information
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt; added to the web site or the wiki.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt; (Btw., it's spelled Git, not GIT.)
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Completely, or replaced with a reference to pages on the web/wiki?
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; I think the appendix in question could be removed completely, if the
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; content is adequately covered elsewhere.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; In the installation instructions chapter, there is a section &amp;quot;Getting
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; the Source&amp;quot;, which could warrant a link or reference to the appropriate
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; instructions on the web site.
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br&gt;I have to say I'm not really impressed by the idea of removing things
&lt;br&gt;from our documentation and replacing them with pages on the wiki. &amp;nbsp;The
&lt;br&gt;documentation is better-written and easier to navigate. &amp;nbsp;Yeah, the
&lt;br&gt;part about 28K modems is pretty silly, but we can fix that without
&lt;br&gt;throwing the baby out with the bathwater...
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;...Robert
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26528002</id>
	<title>How to start the &quot;auto_explain&quot; module</title>
	<published>2009-11-26T03:26:13Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-26T03:26:13Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Oceanys</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">&lt;div dir=&quot;ltr&quot;&gt;Hi,&lt;div&gt;In order to profile my Postgres queries, I used the &amp;quot;&lt;tt class=&quot;VARNAME&quot;&gt;&lt;font class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; face=&quot;arial, helvetica, sans-serif&quot;&gt;auto_&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/tt&gt;&lt;tt class=&quot;VARNAME&quot;&gt;&lt;font class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; face=&quot;arial, helvetica, sans-serif&quot;&gt;explain.lo&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/tt&gt;&lt;tt class=&quot;VARNAME&quot;&gt;&lt;font class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; face=&quot;arial, helvetica, sans-serif&quot;&gt;g_min_duration&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/tt&gt;&lt;font class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; face=&quot;arial, helvetica, sans-serif&quot;&gt; (&lt;/font&gt;&lt;tt class=&quot;TYPE&quot;&gt;&lt;font class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; face=&quot;arial, helvetica, sans-serif&quot;&gt;integer&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/tt&gt;&lt;font class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; face=&quot;arial, helvetica, sans-serif&quot;&gt;)&amp;quot;.&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div&gt;&lt;font class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; face=&quot;arial, helvetica, sans-serif&quot;&gt;How can I load the auto_explain module ?&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;font class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; face=&quot;arial, helvetica, sans-serif&quot;&gt;Thanks in advance.&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26527945</id>
	<title>Re: Replication solution</title>
	<published>2009-11-26T03:19:11Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-26T03:19:11Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Dimitri Fontaine-3</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">&amp;quot;Joshua D. Drake&amp;quot; &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=26527945&amp;i=0&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;jd@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt; writes:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://pgfoundry.org/projects/skytools/&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://pgfoundry.org/projects/skytools/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;See also: &lt;a href=&quot;http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Londiste_Tutorial&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Londiste_Tutorial&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Regards,
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26527886</id>
	<title>Re: Query times change by orders of magnitude as DB ages</title>
	<published>2009-11-26T03:14:14Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-26T03:14:14Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Matthew Wakeling-3</name>
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	<content type="html">On Wed, 25 Nov 2009, Grzegorz Jaśkiewicz wrote:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; the out of order data layout is primary reason for index bloat. And that happens , and
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; gets worse over time once data is more and more distributed. (&amp;quot;random&amp;quot; deletes, etc).
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That's not index bloat. Sure, having the table not in the same order as 
&lt;br&gt;the index will slow down an index scan, but that's a completely different 
&lt;br&gt;problem altogether.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Index bloat is caused by exactly the same mechanism as table bloat. The 
&lt;br&gt;index needs to have an entry for every row in the table that may be 
&lt;br&gt;visible by anyone. As with the table, it is not possible to 
&lt;br&gt;deterministically delete the rows as they become non-visible, so the 
&lt;br&gt;index (and the table) will be left with dead entries on delete and update. 
&lt;br&gt;The vacuum command performs garbage collection and marks these dead rows 
&lt;br&gt;and index entries as free, so that some time in the future more data can 
&lt;br&gt;be written to those places.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Index bloat is when there is an excessive amount of dead space in an 
&lt;br&gt;index. It can be prevented by (auto)vacuuming regularly, but can only be 
&lt;br&gt;reversed by REINDEX (or of course deleting the index, or adding loads of 
&lt;br&gt;new entries to fill up the dead space after vacuuming).
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Matthew
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26527756</id>
	<title>Re: Bit count</title>
	<published>2009-11-26T03:04:21Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-26T03:04:21Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Jasen Betts-5</name>
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	<content type="html">On 2009-11-24, Nathaniel Trellice &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=26527756&amp;i=0&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;naptrel@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt; wrote:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; I'd like to use an integer column (16 bits will suffice) to hold a bit-field. I'd like to be able to efficiently count the number of bits set in this field.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Is there a built-in function call I can use? (I can't find one in the manual).
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;convert it to a text representation of the binary value use regexp_replace to remove the 0s take the length.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; If not, can anyone recommend the most efficient way within postgres to implement the kind of bit-counting tricks found at:
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;postgres functions can be written in C (if you have superuser
&lt;br&gt;priviledges) seems like overkill though.
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26527751</id>
	<title>Re: Desempenho no Linux</title>
	<published>2009-11-26T03:03:43Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-26T03:03:43Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Wolak Sistemas - Fabiano Machado Dias</name>
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Pessoal, não vamos esquecer de outros fatores que fazem o Linux ter um
desempenho muito melhor.&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
- Sistemas de aquivos (Qual a opção que existe no Windows além de NTFS?)&lt;br&gt;
- Parâmetros do Kernel (Só se você por um expert no registro do
Windows, quais os parâmetros que você pode mudar?)&lt;br&gt;
- Instalação via código fonte (Sei que tb dá pra compilar no Windows,
mas duvido alguém que faça sem dor de cabeça e tb duvido do desempenho)&lt;br&gt;
- Melhor uso de hardware (Isso é senso comum, o Linux faz uso do
hardware de maneira muito mais otimizada que o Windows)&lt;br&gt;
- Segurança (Bom como diz o Telles &quot;Existem 2 tipos de Windows, aquele
que tem vírus e aquele que você acha que não tem vírus&quot;)&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
Para convencer o seu cliente você poderia fazer uma instalação em um
servidor da sua própria em empresa e comparar o desempenho, duvido que
ele não irá se convencer.&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
Abraço,&lt;br&gt;
Fabiano&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
Euler Taveira de Oliveira escreveu:
&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;mid:4B0E4E17.8070403@timbira.com&quot; type=&quot;cite&quot;&gt;
  &lt;pre wrap=&quot;&quot;&gt;Pablo Sánchez escreveu:
  &lt;/pre&gt;
  &lt;blockquote type=&quot;cite&quot;&gt;
    &lt;pre wrap=&quot;&quot;&gt;&quot;PostgreSQL performance is very close on both platforms (within 6/100
of a second for 1000 Operations) – It’s faster on Windows and faster
still on Windows with PHP 5.3&quot;

    &lt;/pre&gt;
  &lt;/blockquote&gt;
  &lt;pre wrap=&quot;&quot;&gt;&lt;!----&gt;Ugh?! Quem disse que 'SELECT * FROM tabela' mede performance de um SGBD? O
autor deve estar brincando, né? Temos benchmarks padronizados (aka TPC) para
isso; eles implementam modelos que simulam um ambiente real de acordo com a
arquitetura (OLTP, OLAP ou Web) do seu sistema.

  &lt;/pre&gt;
  &lt;blockquote type=&quot;cite&quot;&gt;
    &lt;pre wrap=&quot;&quot;&gt;Não conheço nenhuma diferença... Com exceção do fato de que há
tunnings que podem ser feitos com os semáforos do kernel em
Linux/FreeBSD que não se conseguem no Windows.

    &lt;/pre&gt;
  &lt;/blockquote&gt;
  &lt;pre wrap=&quot;&quot;&gt;&lt;!----&gt;Como eu disse esses conceito *não* existe (é emulado) no Windows.


  &lt;/pre&gt;
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	<title>Re: CREATE SERVER - what is this?</title>
	<published>2009-11-26T02:52:34Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-26T02:52:34Z</updated>
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		<name>Guillaume Lelarge-3</name>
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	<content type="html">Le mardi 24 novembre 2009 à 16:45:27, Richard Broersma a écrit :
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; I noticed a few new SQL references in the manual:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; CREATE SERVER
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; CREATE FOREIGN DATA WRAPPER,
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; CREATE USER MAPPING
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Is this similar to DBI-Link?
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;They appear on the 8.4 release. They were added to support the use of SQL/MED 
&lt;br&gt;compliant FOREIGN DATA WRAPPER, SERVER, and USER MAPPING as method to supply 
&lt;br&gt;dblink connect parameters. dblink can already use these informations AFAIK.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;-- 
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	<title>Re: specifying a password on the cmd line for db connect</title>
	<published>2009-11-26T02:48:17Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-26T02:48:17Z</updated>
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		<name>Jasen Betts-5</name>
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	<content type="html">On 2009-11-17, Ashesh Vashi &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=26527573&amp;i=0&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;ashesh.vashi@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt; wrote:
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&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Hi Dave,
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; You can always use the environment variable PGPASSWORD to do that.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Though - it is not recommended to use for security reason. :(
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;as long as it's not in the default environment it's better than a
&lt;br&gt;command-line password.
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	<title>Re: specifying a password on the cmd line for db connect</title>
	<published>2009-11-26T02:46:18Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-26T02:46:18Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Jasen Betts-5</name>
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	<content type="html">On 2009-11-16, Gauthier, Dave &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=26527554&amp;i=0&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;dave.gauthier@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt; wrote:
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&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Hi:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Is there a way to require and specify a password at the cmd line for a conn=
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; ect? &amp;nbsp;At first glance...
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;PGPASSWORD=fee &amp;nbsp;psql --username foo ...
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&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;for winders
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;set PGPASSWORD=fee 
&lt;br&gt;psql --username foo ....
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