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by Steve Vanspall-2 :: Rate this Message:

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Hi there,

I am not sure if this is an Acrobat or Itext issue.

I have read a feew people have had this problem and not many replies
have come in.

Basically I have a system that creates PDF's that the user can choose to
print if they want.

Usually everything runs smoothly, the PDF's diplay properly and print
properly.

randomnly, it seems, a PDF will display properly but print with junk
characters. So it doesn't come out correctly.

Now I create and close the documents correctly before makig them
available for download through my servlet. I do not embed any fonts and
would like to avoid it as Arial is ~300KB in size. I don't really get
the embed font thing, so correct me if my size estimation is wrong, I
was going with the size of the Arial TTF file.

As I now all the end users are using windows, I figured Arial was common
enough to not have to embed.

All of the users are opening the acrobat file from Outlook Express. I am
not sure if that has an effect. So they open an attachment from the
email, and that then opens Acrobat.

The only reason I mention that is that somebody else metione dthat they
thought it was only happening whn coming out of Outlook Express, but
still only happening randomly. If anyone can confirm that it would be
appreciated.

HAs anyone else had this problem, anyone found a solution???

Regards

Steve




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Re: Printing PDF's randomly outputs junk characters

by Bruno Lowagie (iText) :: Rate this Message:

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Steve Vanspall wrote:

> Has anyone else had this problem, anyone found a solution???

I once spent some time on a similar problem at work.
The problem never occured when I was around.
Then I got an idea: I printed a large document
and I shut down the PC of the end user before
the document was completely printed.
Junk characters appeared. Problem solved.
A pity I couldn't charge the end-user for wasting
my time.
br,
Bruno


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Re: Printing PDF's randomly outputs junk characters

by Steve Vanspall-2 :: Rate this Message:

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Thanks for that,

having clarified the problem a bit, it only really seems to happen when
they are printing a large number of the generated PDF's. They are
definately not shutting down the PC before printing finishes.

It does seem to suggest that something residual is haging around in the
printer buffer or in the info the acrobat is serving to the printer.

I guess my main worry, is how can I check to make sure the PDF I am
creating is coming out intact,

I am 99% sure that the generated PDF's are not the problem, but would
like to be 100% sure.

Is there a way to check the integrity of a PDF file??

thanks

Steve

Bruno Lowagie wrote:

> Steve Vanspall wrote:
>
>> Has anyone else had this problem, anyone found a solution???
>
>
> I once spent some time on a similar problem at work.
> The problem never occured when I was around.
> Then I got an idea: I printed a large document
> and I shut down the PC of the end user before
> the document was completely printed.
> Junk characters appeared. Problem solved.
> A pity I couldn't charge the end-user for wasting
> my time.
> br,
> Bruno
>
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Re: Printing PDF's randomly outputs junk characters

by Vineet Reynolds :: Rate this Message:

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Maybe you should set the printer to print only after the document is
completely spooled. Usually, printers start printing when they receive
th first page of the document, and that could be the real problem.

On 1/17/06, Steve Vanspall <svanspal@...> wrote:

> Thanks for that,
>
> having clarified the problem a bit, it only really seems to happen when
> they are printing a large number of the generated PDF's. They are
> definately not shutting down the PC before printing finishes.
>
> It does seem to suggest that something residual is haging around in the
> printer buffer or in the info the acrobat is serving to the printer.
>
> I guess my main worry, is how can I check to make sure the PDF I am
> creating is coming out intact,
>
> I am 99% sure that the generated PDF's are not the problem, but would
> like to be 100% sure.
>
> Is there a way to check the integrity of a PDF file??
>
> thanks
>
> Steve
>
> Bruno Lowagie wrote:
>
> > Steve Vanspall wrote:
> >
> >> Has anyone else had this problem, anyone found a solution???
> >
> >
> > I once spent some time on a similar problem at work.
> > The problem never occured when I was around.
> > Then I got an idea: I printed a large document
> > and I shut down the PC of the end user before
> > the document was completely printed.
> > Junk characters appeared. Problem solved.
> > A pity I couldn't charge the end-user for wasting
> > my time.
> > br,
> > Bruno
> >
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Parent Message unknown Re: Printing PDF's randomly outputs junk characters

by Vineet Reynolds :: Rate this Message:

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Yep, you're right. The printer settings for spooling are not easily
manipulated by programs. maybe you should have a support page
explaining how to change such settings. Spooling before printing will
make the start to printing slow, but the overall printing speed will
not matter (unless the document is unusually heavily bloated; in which
case it is better to have multple pdf files).

On 1/17/06, Steve Vanspall <svanspal@...> wrote:

> Oh right, um I am not that savvy on printer setup and the like,
>
> so all printers can be set to wait until spooling is complete. I need to
> work out a solution that is reasonably wasy to expalin to the end users,
> but does not cause majore performance issues for the rest of their
> printing.
>
> I guess I will try that first, although not sure how to make that
> setting change, I assume it's different for all printers.
>
> Steve
>
> Vineet Reynolds wrote:
>
> >Maybe you should set the printer to print only after the document is
> >completely spooled. Usually, printers start printing when they receive
> >th first page of the document, and that could be the real problem.
> >
> >On 1/17/06, Steve Vanspall <svanspal@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Thanks for that,
> >>
> >>having clarified the problem a bit, it only really seems to happen when
> >>they are printing a large number of the generated PDF's. They are
> >>definately not shutting down the PC before printing finishes.
> >>
> >>It does seem to suggest that something residual is haging around in the
> >>printer buffer or in the info the acrobat is serving to the printer.
> >>
> >>I guess my main worry, is how can I check to make sure the PDF I am
> >>creating is coming out intact,
> >>
> >>I am 99% sure that the generated PDF's are not the problem, but would
> >>like to be 100% sure.
> >>
> >>Is there a way to check the integrity of a PDF file??
> >>
> >>thanks
> >>
> >>Steve
> >>
> >>Bruno Lowagie wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>Steve Vanspall wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Has anyone else had this problem, anyone found a solution???
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>I once spent some time on a similar problem at work.
> >>>The problem never occured when I was around.
> >>>Then I got an idea: I printed a large document
> >>>and I shut down the PC of the end user before
> >>>the document was completely printed.
> >>>Junk characters appeared. Problem solved.
> >>>A pity I couldn't charge the end-user for wasting
> >>>my time.
> >>>br,
> >>>Bruno
> >>>
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Re: Printing PDF's randomly outputs junk characters

by Jeff Buhrt :: Rate this Message:

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Steve,

What you described sounds like a problem I am tracking also. For me it
isn't really 'random' text. It too one of our support people a while to
find out it is really Rot1'd.

See the iText email:
[iText-questions] Re: PDF printing from Reader is randomly ROT1'ing the
printed page(s)
And specifically:
Re: [iText-questions] Problems with text added to PDF when opened from
Adobe Reade 7.0

Do you see: BJSQMBOF instead of AIRPLANE? [Rot1 (like the old ROT13)...
thus all text is shifted up by one ASCII character, also a space would
become a '!'] [If you don't see Rot1, is it possible you have another
rotation?]
Is it only when printing or on the screen?
If it is when printing, from inside the same Reader 7.0, if you reprint
it is fine? [Worst case requiring up to 2 reprints, then fine?]

I don't have a repeatable case yet. I have had multiple customer reports
though. In my case it only occurs when printing to printers that use
Postscript in the Microsoft print driver. I don't have an answer yet
though. I need a more repeatable testcase.

I met a person from Adobe, who is thinking it might be a Postscript
driver issue in 7.0. I don't have a solid repeatable testcase but if we
could get one I know who to contact.

Ping me if this matches what you see.

-Jeff

Jeff Buhrt
Achievement Focused Technology, Inc.
buhrt@...
317-513-3238

Steve Vanspall wrote:

> Hi there,
>
> I am not sure if this is an Acrobat or Itext issue.
>
> I have read a feew people have had this problem and not many replies
> have come in.
>
> Basically I have a system that creates PDF's that the user can choose
> to print if they want.
>
> Usually everything runs smoothly, the PDF's diplay properly and print
> properly.
>
> randomnly, it seems, a PDF will display properly but print with junk
> characters. So it doesn't come out correctly.
>
> Now I create and close the documents correctly before makig them
> available for download through my servlet. I do not embed any fonts
> and would like to avoid it as Arial is ~300KB in size. I don't really
> get the embed font thing, so correct me if my size estimation is
> wrong, I was going with the size of the Arial TTF file.
>
> As I now all the end users are using windows, I figured Arial was
> common enough to not have to embed.
>
> All of the users are opening the acrobat file from Outlook Express. I
> am not sure if that has an effect. So they open an attachment from the
> email, and that then opens Acrobat.
>
> The only reason I mention that is that somebody else metione dthat
> they thought it was only happening whn coming out of Outlook Express,
> but still only happening randomly. If anyone can confirm that it would
> be appreciated.
>
> HAs anyone else had this problem, anyone found a solution???
>
> Regards
>
> Steve
>
>
>
>
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Re: Printing PDF's randomly outputs junk characters

by Steve Vanspall-2 :: Rate this Message:

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Among everything that apeeasrs in my itext inbox, I competely missed
this reply.

As a later email states, this is exactly the problem I am having.

Someone else has suggested that Print As Image prints correctly each
time. It's not a great solution but it is one. I havne't been able to
confirm it myself.

Like you said, it's anot repeatable, the exact same PDF will print
without a problem the next time around.

I only found out a couple of weeks ago about the rot1 thing when i
client actually sent me the printout of the PDF, and then it clicked.

Any solutions??

Steve

Jeff Buhrt wrote:

> Steve,
>
> What you described sounds like a problem I am tracking also. For me it
> isn't really 'random' text. It too one of our support people a while
> to find out it is really Rot1'd.
>
> See the iText email:
> [iText-questions] Re: PDF printing from Reader is randomly ROT1'ing
> the printed page(s)
> And specifically:
> Re: [iText-questions] Problems with text added to PDF when opened from
> Adobe Reade 7.0
>
> Do you see: BJSQMBOF instead of AIRPLANE? [Rot1 (like the old
> ROT13)... thus all text is shifted up by one ASCII character, also a
> space would become a '!'] [If you don't see Rot1, is it possible you
> have another rotation?]
> Is it only when printing or on the screen?
> If it is when printing, from inside the same Reader 7.0, if you
> reprint it is fine? [Worst case requiring up to 2 reprints, then fine?]
>
> I don't have a repeatable case yet. I have had multiple customer
> reports though. In my case it only occurs when printing to printers
> that use Postscript in the Microsoft print driver. I don't have an
> answer yet though. I need a more repeatable testcase.
>
> I met a person from Adobe, who is thinking it might be a Postscript
> driver issue in 7.0. I don't have a solid repeatable testcase but if
> we could get one I know who to contact.
>
> Ping me if this matches what you see.
>
> -Jeff
>
> Jeff Buhrt
> Achievement Focused Technology, Inc.
> buhrt@...
> 317-513-3238
>
> Steve Vanspall wrote:
>
>> Hi there,
>>
>> I am not sure if this is an Acrobat or Itext issue.
>>
>> I have read a feew people have had this problem and not many replies
>> have come in.
>>
>> Basically I have a system that creates PDF's that the user can choose
>> to print if they want.
>>
>> Usually everything runs smoothly, the PDF's diplay properly and print
>> properly.
>>
>> randomnly, it seems, a PDF will display properly but print with junk
>> characters. So it doesn't come out correctly.
>>
>> Now I create and close the documents correctly before makig them
>> available for download through my servlet. I do not embed any fonts
>> and would like to avoid it as Arial is ~300KB in size. I don't really
>> get the embed font thing, so correct me if my size estimation is
>> wrong, I was going with the size of the Arial TTF file.
>>
>> As I now all the end users are using windows, I figured Arial was
>> common enough to not have to embed.
>>
>> All of the users are opening the acrobat file from Outlook Express. I
>> am not sure if that has an effect. So they open an attachment from
>> the email, and that then opens Acrobat.
>>
>> The only reason I mention that is that somebody else metione dthat
>> they thought it was only happening whn coming out of Outlook Express,
>> but still only happening randomly. If anyone can confirm that it
>> would be appreciated.
>>
>> HAs anyone else had this problem, anyone found a solution???
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Printing PDF's randomly outputs junk characters

by Kristoffer Jacobsen :: Rate this Message:

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I'm experiencing the same problem for some end users, only I'm not able to reproduce it myself. My question is:

- Did you embed the fonts in your PDF?

I'm currently not embedding the fonts, but will absolutely consider it if that can prevent the character shift issue.