Project:Possibility reader project enhancement - request for ideas

[Steve Lee-3]

Project:Possibility have a student interested in working on some of
our projects and I'm suggesting the PowerReader would be a great idea

1) there's a need for reading support
2) it works but needs polish and new features
3) It's Java so portable
4) David Colven recently mentioned it to me at AEGIS

So what work needs to be done to make it really useful?
Can anyone try it out and give feedback?

For now the best place to let us know is the forum
http://projectpossibility.org/forum/viewforum.php?id=13

We're putting our projects on Google Code so open development will be
possible and there will be developer discussion lists etc.
For example we're starting to play with ideas on
http://code.google.com/p/pp-mobile-currency-reader/

If you have any ideas please let us know

--
Steve Lee
Project:Possibility

[Stephen Emslie]

On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 9:49 AM, Steve Lee<steve@...> wrote:
> We're putting our projects on Google Code so open development will be
> possible and there will be developer discussion lists etc.
> For example we're starting to play with ideas on
> http://code.google.com/p/pp-mobile-currency-reader/

I love this concept. I've thought about trying something like this on
the iPhone, but it seemed likely that the camera is too low resolution
to capture. Its great that something is actually settling down to do
it.


Stephen

[David Colven]

It would be great if PowerReader could be tied in to the Concept Coding
framework for symbolisation of words.

David

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> -----Original Message-----
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> bounces@...] On Behalf Of Steve Lee
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> To: OATs Project Special Interest Group
> Subject: [oats-sig] Project:Possibility reader project enhancement -
> requestfor ideas
>
> Project:Possibility have a student interested in working on some of
> our projects and I'm suggesting the PowerReader would be a great idea
>
> 1) there's a need for reading support
> 2) it works but needs polish and new features
> 3) It's Java so portable
> 4) David Colven recently mentioned it to me at AEGIS
>
> So what work needs to be done to make it really useful?
> Can anyone try it out and give feedback?
>
> For now the best place to let us know is the forum
> http://projectpossibility.org/forum/viewforum.php?id=13
>
> We're putting our projects on Google Code so open development will be
> possible and there will be developer discussion lists etc.
> For example we're starting to play with ideas on
> http://code.google.com/p/pp-mobile-currency-reader/
>
> If you have any ideas please let us know
>
> --
> Steve Lee
> Project:Possibility
>
>

[Mats Lundälv]

Being heavily involved in the CCF work I of course agree with David's point. The problem may be timing. We are close to finalising a first full release of the CCF - but it may be until a bit into the autumn until we have a first more comprehensive vocabulary with Blissymbols (as first target - support for other freely available symbol libraries to follow later on). But we should be able to provide the basic CCF API to support before that. When is this PowerReader work envisaged to happen?

Other thoughts: It's rather important that text content from different sorces can be conveniently read via PowerReader - and not only plain text files as currently. It may, on the other hand be a quite heavy task to support several different major formats? One idea worth investigating could be PowerReader as an OpenOffice extension. The advantage being to have OO.o taking care of document and document format handling, as well as wider and cross-platform deployment, and just concentrating on the unique additional presentation features of PowerReader. Could the current Java app be reasonably smoothly integrated in OO.o (via some XUL wrapper etc.) or would this require some more complete re-write?

Mats

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It would be great if PowerReader could be tied in to the Concept Coding
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David

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: oats-sig-bounces@... [mailto:oats-sig-
> bounces@...] On Behalf Of Steve Lee
> Sent: 11 June 2009 09:50
> To: OATs Project Special Interest Group
> Subject: [oats-sig] Project:Possibility reader project enhancement -
> requestfor ideas
>
> Project:Possibility have a student interested in working on some of
> our projects and I'm suggesting the PowerReader would be a great idea
>
> 1) there's a need for reading support
> 2) it works but needs polish and new features
> 3) It's Java so portable
> 4) David Colven recently mentioned it to me at AEGIS
>
> So what work needs to be done to make it really useful?
> Can anyone try it out and give feedback?
>
> For now the best place to let us know is the forum
> http://projectpossibility.org/forum/viewforum.php?id=13
>
> We're putting our projects on Google Code so open development will be
> possible and there will be developer discussion lists etc.
> For example we're starting to play with ideas on
> http://code.google.com/p/pp-mobile-currency-reader/
>
> If you have any ideas please let us know
>
> --
> Steve Lee
> Project:Possibility
>
>

[Steve Lee-3]

David, Mats, thanks for the idea and I will pass them on.

2009/6/12 Mats Lundälv <mats.lundalv@...>

Being heavily involved in the CCF work I of course agree with David's point. The problem may be timing. We are close to finalising a first full release of the CCF - but it may be until a bit into the autumn until we have a first more comprehensive vocabulary with Blissymbols (as first target - support for other freely available symbol libraries to follow later on).

Straight-street should be out then as well. What is the status now with bliss? I was just discussing them with someone and realised last I heard they were still in limbo.

Are there any public news items on CCF that explain what is happening
 

But we should be able to provide the basic CCF API to support before that. When is this PowerReader work envisaged to happen?

Perhaps over the summer holidays (US)

 

Other thoughts: It's rather important that text content from different sorces can be conveniently read via PowerReader - and not only plain text files as currently. It may, on the other hand be a quite heavy task to support several different major formats? One idea worth investigating could be PowerReader as an OpenOffice extension. The advantage being to have OO.o taking care of document and document format handling, as well as wider and cross-platform deployment, and just concentrating on the unique additional presentation features of PowerReader. Could the current Java app be reasonably smoothly integrated in OO.o (via some XUL wrapper etc.) or would this require some more complete re-write?

An interesting idea. I do not know if OOo has an easy extension/plugin architecture, but heard the main code was a large complex C beast that has a steep learning curve

Steve

[Mats Lundälv]

Hi Steve and all!  See my comments below ...

Mats 

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David, Mats, thanks for the idea and I will pass them on.

Great Steve, thanks!

2009/6/12 Mats Lundälv <mats.lundalv@...>

Being heavily involved in the CCF work I of course agree with David's point. The problem may be timing. We are close to finalising a first full release of the CCF - but it may be until a bit into the autumn until we have a first more comprehensive vocabulary with Blissymbols (as first target - support for other freely available symbol libraries to follow later on).

Straight-street should be out then as well. What is the status now with bliss? I was just discussing them with someone and realised last I heard they were still in limbo.

We have already prepared a slot for Straight-street, so that's great!
There is no major problem with Bliss really. In BCI we are now in principle united on a strategy of making Blissymbol resources available under two types of licences: A free license of CC-by-sa type, and a traditional license with royalty claims from BCI for packaging in proprietary products (that is, typical proprietary AAC software packages of today).

There is just a delay in difining the details for this for a formal and official desicion. This is because other urgent job to properly organise and document the vocabulary has had to be prioritised during the past year. This is now being completed, and the licensing issues will be dealt within the next year.

Are there any public news items on CCF that explain what is happening

I have just updated the CCF info in Oatsoft - see http://www.conceptcoding.org

But we should be able to provide the basic CCF API to support before that. When is this PowerReader work envisaged to happen?

Perhaps over the summer holidays (US)

 

Other thoughts: It's rather important that text content from different sorces can be conveniently read via PowerReader - and not only plain text files as currently. It may, on the other hand be a quite heavy task to support several different major formats? One idea worth investigating could be PowerReader as an OpenOffice extension. The advantage being to have OO.o taking care of document and document format handling, as well as wider and cross-platform deployment, and just concentrating on the unique additional presentation features of PowerReader. Could the current Java app be reasonably smoothly integrated in OO.o (via some XUL wrapper etc.) or would this require some more complete re-write?

An interesting idea. I do not know if OOo has an easy extension/plugin architecture, but heard the main code was a large complex C beast that has a steep learning curve

There is definitely an extension/plugin architecture. Not being a programmer I cannot personally confirm that it's easy, but it should be fairly straight-forward. You're definitely not forced to dive into the C code of the main program. Talking to a Swedish developer who make special spell-checking plugins for MS Word and OO.org, I asked about their experience after doing the OO.org version, and the reply was that it was a lot better than doing the MS Word one.

There is a lot of information about this at the OO.org site, and tools are available in develpment environments like NetBeans and Eclipse.

 

Cheers /ML

Steve

[Steve Lee-3]

2009/6/20 Mats Lundälv <mats.lundalv@...>

Hi Steve and all!  See my comments below ...

We have already prepared a slot for Straight-street, so that's great!

So  a quick summary. There are about 700 symbols now, some still going through the system. EN and FI language versions are available. The user and reviewer features of the web site are working and we're polishing off the admin side so Garry can work on them where ever he is working. Latest news is Garry is looking for funding for the first simple application to use them.

There is no major problem with Bliss really. In BCI we are now in principle united on a strategy of making Blissymbol resources available under two types of licences: A free license of CC-by-sa type, and a traditional license with royalty claims from BCI for packaging in proprietary products (that is, typical proprietary AAC software packages of today).

Excellent news. 

There is just a delay in difining the details for this for a formal and official desicion. This is because other urgent job to properly organise and document the vocabulary has had to be prioritised during the past year. This is now being completed, and the licensing issues will be dealt within the next year.

Great as last time I looked all I found was a quirky story explaining the grammar.

Are there any public news items on CCF that explain what is happening

I have just updated the CCF info in Oatsoft - see http://www.conceptcoding.org

thanks
 

Steve