Q4E and m2eclipse

[Remy Sanlaville]

Hi,

We are working to choose an eclipse plugin : Q4E vs m2eclipse
  - The Eclipse IAM project proposal (based on Q4E) has been recently
approved by the Eclipse Foundation (cf. http://code.google.com/p/q4e/)
  - m2eclipse has been recently reviewed (cf.
http://www.jroller.com/eu/entry/maven_integration_for_eclipse_project) but
we have no information if it is approved. Do you have some news about it ?

If m2eclipse will also be approved, it won't be clear for eclipse user which
one to choose.
Even if competition can be good, is there any chance to merge the effort in
one eclipse plugin ?
In fact, both of them have interesting features.

Rémy

[nicolas de loof-3]

I tested both plugins, and reported some issues to m2eclipse that have been
fixed in 0.9.4.
I just quickly tested q4e but features are *very* similar

I'm ok for competition, but as both plugins expect to get approved in
eclipse foundation, I thing they must consider merging efforts for some core
features. I can't thing there is many way to configure mavenEmbedder,
configure Ide decorations and create an import wizard.

In a perfect world, both plugin community should work to create a common
basic plugin, and provide plugable enhancements as optional features.


2008/5/29 Rémy Sanlaville <remy.sanlaville@...>:

> Hi,
>
> We are working to choose an eclipse plugin : Q4E vs m2eclipse
>  - The Eclipse IAM project proposal (based on Q4E) has been recently
> approved by the Eclipse Foundation (cf. http://code.google.com/p/q4e/)
>  - m2eclipse has been recently reviewed (cf.
> http://www.jroller.com/eu/entry/maven_integration_for_eclipse_project) but
> we have no information if it is approved. Do you have some news about it ?
>
> If m2eclipse will also be approved, it won't be clear for eclipse user
> which
> one to choose.
> Even if competition can be good, is there any chance to merge the effort in
> one eclipse plugin ?
> In fact, both of them have interesting features.
>
> Rémy
>

[Brett Porter]

> 2008/5/29 Rémy Sanlaville <remy.sanlaville@...>:
>> Do you have some news about it ?

Both were approved
(http://blogs.exist.com/bporter/2008/05/20/eclipse-and-maven-iam-and-m2e-complete-creation-review/)

2008/5/29 nicolas de loof <nicolas@...>:
> In a perfect world, both plugin community should work to create a common
> basic plugin, and provide plugable enhancements as optional features.

If only we were in a perfect world :)

Cheers,
Brett

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[Jason van Zyl-2]

On 29-May-08, at 1:53 AM, nicolas de loof wrote:

> I tested both plugins, and reported some issues to m2eclipse that  
> have been
> fixed in 0.9.4.
> I just quickly tested q4e but features are *very* similar
>
> I'm ok for competition, but as both plugins expect to get approved in
> eclipse foundation, I thing they must consider merging efforts for  
> some core
> features. I can't thing there is many way to configure mavenEmbedder,
> configure Ide decorations and create an import wizard.
>
> In a perfect world, both plugin community should work to create a  
> common
> basic plugin, and provide plugable enhancements as optional features.

Both plugins will not make it out of the incubator. Only one will  
survive the incubation. One project will get culled or they will  
merge. So users are not going to have to worry about always picking  
between the two because only one will become a full fledged Eclipse  
project.

I highly recommend users start looking the respective proposals and  
start the decision making process early:

http://www.eclipse.org/proposals/m2e/

http://www.eclipse.org/proposals/iam/

>
>
>
> 2008/5/29 Rémy Sanlaville <remy.sanlaville@...>:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> We are working to choose an eclipse plugin : Q4E vs m2eclipse
>> - The Eclipse IAM project proposal (based on Q4E) has been recently
>> approved by the Eclipse Foundation (cf. http://code.google.com/p/ 
>> q4e/)
>> - m2eclipse has been recently reviewed (cf.
>> http://www.jroller.com/eu/entry/maven_integration_for_eclipse_project)
>>  but
>> we have no information if it is approved. Do you have some news  
>> about it ?
>>
>> If m2eclipse will also be approved, it won't be clear for eclipse  
>> user
>> which
>> one to choose.
>> Even if competition can be good, is there any chance to merge the  
>> effort in
>> one eclipse plugin ?
>> In fact, both of them have interesting features.
>>
>> Rémy
>>

Thanks,

Jason

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[nicolas de loof-3]

>
>
> Both plugins will not make it out of the incubator. Only one will survive
> the incubation. One project will get culled or they will merge. So users are
> not going to have to worry about always picking between the two because only
> one will become a full fledged Eclipse project.
>
> I highly recommend users start looking the respective proposals and start
> the decision making process early:
>
> http://www.eclipse.org/proposals/m2e/
>
> http://www.eclipse.org/proposals/iam/
>

I was not aware of this selection rule during incubation. That's a good
news.

What is the eclipse incubator process ? Who will decide a project to be
"better" than the other ? What is the "standard" duration of this process ?

Nico.

[Remy Sanlaville]

That's a good news for maven eclipse user.
I also have the same questions than Nico.

In iam project we can see SVN/CVS integration (2008-10 M3)
what about m2eclipse ?
I think it's a major feature and it's really frustrating at the moment
(parent pom hell with eclipse).

Rémy

[nicolas de loof-3]

m2eclipse has support for both subversive and subclipse SVN eclispe plugins
via optional extensions

2008/5/30 Rémy Sanlaville <remy.sanlaville@...>:

> That's a good news for maven eclipse user.
> I also have the same questions than Nico.
>
> In iam project we can see SVN/CVS integration (2008-10 M3)
> what about m2eclipse ?
> I think it's a major feature and it's really frustrating at the moment
> (parent pom hell with eclipse).
>
> Rémy
>

[Jason van Zyl-2]

On 30-May-08, at 8:51 AM, Rémy Sanlaville wrote:

> That's a good news for maven eclipse user.
> I also have the same questions than Nico.
>
> In iam project we can see SVN/CVS integration (2008-10 M3)
> what about m2eclipse ?

It's not likely there is better support in IAM as speaking from a  
technical perspective Eugene is a committer on the Subclipse project,  
Igor is a contributor and they are committers on m2e. Additionally the  
Subversive team has contributed integration to m2e for our  
materialization and are listed on the m2e proposal as supporters. So  
again things users should weigh in their decision on use.

>
> I think it's a major feature and it's really frustrating at the moment
> (parent pom hell with eclipse).
>
> Rémy

Thanks,

Jason

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[Remy Sanlaville]

It's really a pain to manage the parent pom for a multi-modules project in
eclipse.
It would be nice to can solve this issue for instance :
http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/MNGECLIPSE-635

Many problem comes from the fact that eclipse do not manage nested project
hierarchies.
It seems that eclipse 4 will do it (cf.
http://www.infoq.com/news/2008/05/e4-summit).
But in the meantime we have to found some solution to can manage it and for
the moment it's not really the case.

Rémy

[Jason van Zyl-2]

Ask on the m2e list. Eugene and Igor have tried several things but  
talk to them.

On 30-May-08, at 9:38 AM, Rémy Sanlaville wrote:

> It's really a pain to manage the parent pom for a multi-modules  
> project in
> eclipse.
> It would be nice to can solve this issue for instance :
> http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/MNGECLIPSE-635
>
> Many problem comes from the fact that eclipse do not manage nested  
> project
> hierarchies.
> It seems that eclipse 4 will do it (cf.
> http://www.infoq.com/news/2008/05/e4-summit).
> But in the meantime we have to found some solution to can manage it  
> and for
> the moment it's not really the case.
>
> Rémy

Thanks,

Jason

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