Quanta & KDE4? openSuSE dumping KDE3 for 11.2 Release. What Next?

[David C. Rankin]

Andras, List,

        I am an openSuSE user and I am frustrated with Novell's decision to dump KDE3
in its next release. The problem for me is that Quanta doesn't work very well
under KDE4. I can't use fish to upload files, etc... Quanta on KDE3 is the next
best thing since sliced bread, I love it, but this dang KDE4 is determined to
screw that up. What is the plan for getting Quanta to play nicely with KDE4?

        The reason I ask is that I know Andras is drowning in work right now and I was
wondering if the part of the code that is needed to fix the KDE4
incompatibilities is something that the Linux distros/KDE folks need to fix or
is it something in Quanta that needs to be fixed? Can we push the KDE folks to
make any changes to the KDE4 to remove some of these issues with Quanta or is
it just the code buried in Quanta that needs modification?

        If it is something the opensuse/kde folks can fix/accommodate I don't mind
pushing feature requests through the bugzilla.novell system if it would help,
but I don't understand what/where the issue is enough to know if that is
appropriate.

        Is there a list somewhere that show what the current KDE4 problems are for
Quanta that we can look at that gives a rough description of what needs to be
fixed?

        Thanks. I'm just trying to understand the issues to see if I can help before
the KDE4 glamor toy is shoved down my throat....



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On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 2:34 AM, David C. Rankin
<drankinatty@...> wrote:
> Andras, List,
>
>        I am an openSuSE user and I am frustrated with Novell's decision to dump KDE3
> in its next release. The problem for me is that Quanta doesn't work very well
> under KDE4. I can't use fish to upload files, etc... Quanta on KDE3 is the next
> best thing since sliced bread, I love it, but this dang KDE4 is determined to
> screw that up. What is the plan for getting Quanta to play nicely with KDE4?
I don't know anything about openSuSE - but if they package quanta3
without fish kio
this is a problem on their side. If there is a quanta package
avaliable - all neccessary libs
should be also avaliable.
If they won't fix it - you can compile kdelibs3+quanta3 yourself.

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Am Donnerstag 16 April 2009 02:34:06 schrieb David C. Rankin:
> I can't use fish to upload files, etc

go and install "kdebase3-runtime".
Her on Opensuse 11.1 it contains the fish protocol.

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[Ian Smith-23]

Jens, I think you misunderstood David's point - he is talking about opensuse 11.2, which presumably won't include kdebase3-runtime, or any other part of KDE3 for that matter.

Actually, if you compare the proposed timing of the 11.2 release with recent postings by Eric on this list, Quanta 4 could be ready for release by the same time.

Having said that, I am surprised and disappointed by the lack of support Quanta gets from the larger FOSS community. I would think that the sort of people that do web design would be just the sort of people that are likely to experiment with GNU/Linux BSD and so forth.

However without a decent WYSIWYG and text development environment (with all due respect to Bluefish, NVU et al, they are all lacking on at least one side of that), then it is going to be very difficult to get those people to forsake their beloved Dreamweaver!

Anyway, I'm sure I'm just preaching to the choir here. Thanks David for reminding me, I promised a while ago to start lobbying for better support in other forums.

Perhaps the way forward would be to set up a partition or virtual machine with opensuse 11.2 beta (or other distros that are abandoning KDE3), try installing quanta in that, and, as David suggests, start filing bug reports.

Cheers
Ian



2009/4/16 Jens Herden <jens@...>:
> Am Donnerstag 16 April 2009 02:34:06 schrieb David C. Rankin:
>> I can't use fish to upload files, etc
>
> go and install "kdebase3-runtime".
> Her on Opensuse 11.1 it contains the fish protocol.
>
> Jens
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[Ray-56]

On Thursday 16 April 2009 02:23:30 Ian Smith wrote:

> Jens, I think you misunderstood David's point - he is talking about
> opensuse 11.2, which presumably won't include kdebase3-runtime, or any
> other part of KDE3 for that matter.
>
> Actually, if you compare the proposed timing of the 11.2 release with
> recent postings by Eric on this list, Quanta 4 could be ready for release
> by the same time.
>
> Having said that, I am surprised and disappointed by the lack of support
> Quanta gets from the larger FOSS community. I would think that the sort of
> people that do web design would be just the sort of people that are likely
> to experiment with GNU/Linux BSD and so forth.
>
> However without a decent WYSIWYG *and* text development environment (with
> all due respect to Bluefish, NVU et al, they are all lacking on at least
> one side of that), then it is going to be very difficult to get those
> people to forsake their beloved Dreamweaver!
>
> Anyway, I'm sure I'm just preaching to the choir here. Thanks David for
> reminding me, I promised a while ago to start lobbying for better support
> in other forums.
>
> Perhaps the way forward would be to set up a partition or virtual machine
> with opensuse 11.2 beta (or other distros that are abandoning KDE3), try
> installing quanta in that, and, as David suggests, start filing bug
> reports.
>
> Cheers
> Ian
>
> 2009/4/16 Jens Herden <jens@...>:
> > Am Donnerstag 16 April 2009 02:34:06 schrieb David C. Rankin:
> >> I can't use fish to upload files, etc
> >
> > go and install "kdebase3-runtime".
> > Her on Opensuse 11.1 it contains the fish protocol.
> >
> > Jens
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Hello,
I'm not sure if this is relevant, but I have been using Quanta on KDE4
(Kubuntu) for about 6 months now. Maybe I just don't use the advanced
features, but I haven't had any problems.
I agree that Quanta is a very good tool, and is probably one of the big
reasons that I've stuck with Linux.
Ray
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[David C. Rankin]

Niko Sams wrote:

> On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 2:34 AM, David C. Rankin
> <drankinatty@...> wrote:
>> Andras, List,
>>
>>        I am an openSuSE user and I am frustrated with Novell's decision to dump KDE3
>> in its next release. The problem for me is that Quanta doesn't work very well
>> under KDE4. I can't use fish to upload files, etc... Quanta on KDE3 is the next
>> best thing since sliced bread, I love it, but this dang KDE4 is determined to
>> screw that up. What is the plan for getting Quanta to play nicely with KDE4?
> I don't know anything about openSuSE - but if they package quanta3
> without fish kio
> this is a problem on their side. If there is a quanta package
> avaliable - all neccessary libs
> should be also avaliable.
> If they won't fix it - you can compile kdelibs3+quanta3 yourself.
>
> Niko
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>

Thanks Niko,

        I'll keep that in my back pocket in case I need it!

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[David C. Rankin]

Ian Smith wrote:

> Jens, I think you misunderstood David's point - he is talking about
> opensuse 11.2, which presumably won't include kdebase3-runtime, or any
> other part of KDE3 for that matter.
>
> Actually, if you compare the proposed timing of the 11.2 release with
> recent postings by Eric on this list, Quanta 4 could be ready for
> release by the same time.
>
> Having said that, I am surprised and disappointed by the lack of support
> Quanta gets from the larger FOSS community. I would think that the sort
> of people that do web design would be just the sort of people that are
> likely to experiment with GNU/Linux BSD and so forth.
>
> However without a decent WYSIWYG *and* text development environment
> (with all due respect to Bluefish, NVU et al, they are all lacking on at
> least one side of that), then it is going to be very difficult to get
> those people to forsake their beloved Dreamweaver!
>
> Anyway, I'm sure I'm just preaching to the choir here. Thanks David for
> reminding me, I promised a while ago to start lobbying for better
> support in other forums.
>
> Perhaps the way forward would be to set up a partition or virtual
> machine with opensuse 11.2 beta (or other distros that are abandoning
> KDE3), try installing quanta in that, and, as David suggests, start
> filing bug reports.
>
> Cheers
> Ian
>
>

Ian,

        Thanks. I am trying to lobby this as well as I can. There has been quite a bit
of talk about the quanta issue on the opensuse-factory (beta) list in the past,
but no answers yet. They are well aware of the problem, but I get the
impressions that just getting KDE4 to run in a stable way has taken 100% of
their resources, that everything else has been dropped. Nothing is getting much
attention except that.

        There is no replacement for Quanta. Especially if you have any type of
programming background, and to not have it get the attention it deserves by
virtue of all resources being drained chasing the false promise of kde4
nirvana, is just pitiful. Oh well, we'll keep up the pressure from out side, if
anyone else can post a message or two on your distos list, it just might make
the difference.

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> > Perhaps the way forward would be to set up a partition or virtual
> > machine with opensuse 11.2 beta (or other distros that are abandoning
> > KDE3), try installing quanta in that, and, as David suggests, start
> > filing bug reports.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Ian

There is only that much you can get from beating dead horse and KDE3 is dead
and so is Quanta that requires it. If you want to help yourself, Quanta (and,
the most important - me:) ) forget about Quanta 3 - time invested in it is
time wasted and it just prolongs inevitable. Only help that can make any
difference is getting developers and sponsors interested in Quanta 4 that  runs
on KDE4.

Sasha

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[Ian Smith-23]

I looked up the opensuse 11.2 schedule, and it now looks like there won't be a beta until perhaps July or August, by which time, there may well be a functional Quanta 4 (going by hints from Eric).

I still think filing bug reports is the best strategy, but can see Sasha's point. If Quanta 4 is in any sort of reasonable shape by the 11.2 beta release, then that is what we should be pushing.

Ian

2009/4/20 Sasha Andric <sasha@...>

> > Perhaps the way forward would be to set up a partition or virtual
> > machine with opensuse 11.2 beta (or other distros that are abandoning
> > KDE3), try installing quanta in that, and, as David suggests, start
> > filing bug reports.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Ian

There is only that much you can get from beating dead horse and KDE3 is dead
and so is Quanta that requires it. If you want to help yourself, Quanta (and,
the most important - me:) ) forget about Quanta 3 - time invested in it is
time wasted and it just prolongs inevitable. Only help that can make any
difference is getting developers and sponsors interested in Quanta 4 that  runs
on KDE4.

Sasha

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[David C. Rankin]

Sasha Andric wrote:

>>> Perhaps the way forward would be to set up a partition or virtual
>>> machine with opensuse 11.2 beta (or other distros that are abandoning
>>> KDE3), try installing quanta in that, and, as David suggests, start
>>> filing bug reports.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Ian
>
> There is only that much you can get from beating dead horse and KDE3 is dead
> and so is Quanta that requires it. If you want to help yourself, Quanta (and,
> the most important - me:) ) forget about Quanta 3 - time invested in it is
> time wasted and it just prolongs inevitable. Only help that can make any
> difference is getting developers and sponsors interested in Quanta 4 that  runs
> on KDE4.
>
> Sasha

        Sasha, I hear you and I am *not* advocating for any resurrection of quanta
3.5. What I'm advocating for is a working quanta on kde4 whether that be a
patched 3.5 or new 4. Irregardless of what form it takes --- it should work,
(period). We should not see distributions consider it OK to release partially
working apps, even though, in reality, most linux distributions today are
nothing more than beta for the commercial offerings of their corporate owners.

        I'm all for Quanta4 on KDE4, but until that time, I would (as anyone else
should) expect a working quanta from those distributions that are forcing
half-baked KDE4 on their user communities.

        KDE3 isn't dead, it's working flawlessly with quanta 3.5. Something the
advocates of kde4 can't quite seem to get through their heads or don't want to
admit. Until KDE4 is ready to go, and can step up to the functionality provided
by kde3, we should not be sacrificing functionality on false promises of
performance that does not exist at present.

        Currently moving to kde4 is like trading in your 'vett for a 3-wheeled Yugo.
Functionality is like a box of chocolates, "you never know what you are going
to get."


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On April 19, 2009 06:04:22 pm David C. Rankin wrote:
>         Currently moving to kde4 is like trading in your 'vett for a
> 3-wheeled Yugo. Functionality is like a box of chocolates, "you never know
> what you are going to get."

You probably mean 3-door Yugo. I was in one of those going at 160km/h on
Austrian highway :) At one point, around 120km/h it felt like all the parts
will take off in different directions, but then stars aligned and it was just
smooth sailing from there on. Expressions on the faces of drivers of Audis and
BMWs as we were overtaking them were priceless.

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[Ian Smith-23]

Until KDE4 is ready to go, and can step up to the functionality provided
by kde3, we should not be sacrificing functionality on false promises of
performance that does not exist at present.

Well in all fairness, we don't have to, at least for a while yet. Opensuse 11.0 will still be supported for quite a while and 11.1 for even longer. I assume other distros are in the same position. The move to KDE4 has been troublesome to say the least, but Aaron Seigo explained the need for the radical departure very well in his blog. KDE3 may well be working flawlessly for us users, but the codebase was becoming impossible to maintain. Without engaging in the development of KDE myself, I'm prepared to take his word for it.

Anyway, as you said:

KDE3 isn't dead, it's working flawlessly with quanta 3.5.

Each of us has to decide when the time is right to make the move. If KDE4 still doesn't have the functionality you need by the time opensuse 11.2 is realeased, why not just stay with the version you're using if it's working flawlessly?

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[elhui]

Bugzilla from [e-mail] wrote:

>
> Until KDE4 is ready to go, and can step up to the functionality provided
> by kde3, we should not be sacrificing functionality on false promises of
> performance that does not exist at present.


Well in all fairness, we don't have to, at least for a while yet. Opensuse
11.0 will still be supported for quite a while and 11.1 for even longer. I
assume other distros are in the same position. The move to KDE4 has been
troublesome to say the least, but Aaron Seigo explained the need for the
radical departure very well in his blog. KDE3 may well be working flawlessly
for us users, but the codebase was becoming impossible to maintain. Without
engaging in the development of KDE myself, I'm prepared to take his word for
it.

Anyway, as you said:

KDE3 isn't dead, it's working flawlessly with quanta 3.5.


Each of us has to decide when the time is right to make the move. If KDE4
still doesn't have the functionality you need by the time opensuse 11.2 is
realeased, why not just stay with the version you're using if it's working
flawlessly?

Ian
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[elhui]

You may vote for a continued support of KDE3 by OpenSuSE 11.2 at https://features.opensuse.org/306733.
KDE4 still simply does not come up to KDE3. It has a lot of bugs and missing features which are present in KDE3. f.i. KDE4-Konqueror still refuses to view a lot of www-pages KDE3-konqueror does not have a problem with.

> Until KDE4 is ready to go, and can step up to the functionality provided
> >> by kde3, we should not be sacrificing functionality on false promises of
> >> performance that does not exist at present.
>

[elhui]

You may vote for a continued support of KDE3 by OpenSuSE 11.2 at https://features.opensuse.org/306733.
KDE4 still simply does not come up to KDE3 in many other issues as well. It has a lot of bugs and missing features which are present in KDE3. f.i. KDE4-Konqueror still refuses to view a lot of www-pages KDE3-konqueror does not have a problem with.

Bugzilla from [e-mail] wrote:

> > Perhaps the way forward would be to set up a partition or virtual
> > machine with opensuse 11.2 beta (or other distros that are abandoning
> > KDE3), try installing quanta in that, and, as David suggests, start
> > filing bug reports.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Ian

There is only that much you can get from beating dead horse and KDE3 is dead
and so is Quanta that requires it. If you want to help yourself, Quanta (and,
the most important - me:) ) forget about Quanta 3 - time invested in it is
time wasted and it just prolongs inevitable. Only help that can make any
difference is getting developers and sponsors interested in Quanta 4 that  runs
on KDE4.

Sasha

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[elhui]

Wer an KDE3 für Opensuse 11.2 interessiert ist, sollte unbedingt seine Stimme unter https://features.opensuse.org/306733 abgeben (funktioniert nicht mit KDE4-konqueror wohl aber mit KDE3). KDE4 fehlen immer noch wichtige Features, die es in KDE3 schon lange gibt, einige Programme sind nicht portiert worden und viele noch fehlerhaft; z.B. kann der KDE4-Konqueror viele Interenetseiten nicht anzeigen, mit denen der KDE3-Konqueror überhaupt kein Problem hat. Mehr zum Thema KDE3 unter http://www.elstel.com.

David C. Rankin wrote:

Andras, List,

        I am an openSuSE user and I am frustrated with Novell's decision to dump KDE3
in its next release. The problem for me is that Quanta doesn't work very well
under KDE4. I can't use fish to upload files, etc... Quanta on KDE3 is the next
best thing since sliced bread, I love it, but this dang KDE4 is determined to
screw that up. What is the plan for getting Quanta to play nicely with KDE4?

        The reason I ask is that I know Andras is drowning in work right now and I was
wondering if the part of the code that is needed to fix the KDE4
incompatibilities is something that the Linux distros/KDE folks need to fix or
is it something in Quanta that needs to be fixed? Can we push the KDE folks to
make any changes to the KDE4 to remove some of these issues with Quanta or is
it just the code buried in Quanta that needs modification?

        If it is something the opensuse/kde folks can fix/accommodate I don't mind
pushing feature requests through the bugzilla.novell system if it would help,
but I don't understand what/where the issue is enough to know if that is
appropriate.

        Is there a list somewhere that show what the current KDE4 problems are for
Quanta that we can look at that gives a rough description of what needs to be
fixed?

        Thanks. I'm just trying to understand the issues to see if I can help before
the KDE4 glamor toy is shoved down my throat....



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[John Culleton-3]

On Saturday 05 September 2009 06:52:47 elhui wrote:
> Wer an KDE3 für Opensuse 11.2 interessiert ist, sollte unbedingt
seine
> Stimme unter https://features.opensuse.org/306733 abgeben
(funktioniert
> nicht mit KDE4-konqueror wohl aber mit KDE3). KDE4 fehlen
immer noch
> wichtige Features, die es in KDE3 schon lange gibt, einige
Programme sind
> nicht portiert worden und viele noch fehlerhaft; z.B. kann der
> KDE4-Konqueror viele Interenetseiten nicht anzeigen, mit denen
der
> KDE3-Konqueror überhaupt kein Problem hat. Mehr zum Thema
KDE3 unter
> http://www.elstel.com.
>
> David C. Rankin wrote:
> > Andras, List,
> >
> > I am an openSuSE user and I am frustrated with Novell's
decision to dump
> > KDE3
> > in its next release. The problem for me is that Quanta doesn't
work very
> > well
> > under KDE4. I can't use fish to upload files, etc... Quanta on
KDE3 is
> > the next
> > best thing since sliced bread, I love it, but this dang KDE4 is
> > determined to
> > screw that up. What is the plan for getting Quanta to play
nicely with
> > KDE4?
> >
> > The reason I ask is that I know Andras is drowning in work
right now and
> > I was
> > wondering if the part of the code that is needed to fix the
KDE4
> > incompatibilities is something that the Linux distros/KDE
folks need to
> > fix or
> > is it something in Quanta that needs to be fixed? Can we push
the KDE
> > folks to
> > make any changes to the KDE4 to remove some of these
issues with Quanta
> > or is
> > it just the code buried in Quanta that needs modification?
> >
> > If it is something the opensuse/kde folks can
fix/accommodate I don't
> > mind
> > pushing feature requests through the bugzilla.novell system
if it would
> > help,
> > but I don't understand what/where the issue is enough to
know if that is
> > appropriate.
> >
> > Is there a list somewhere that show what the current KDE4
problems are
> > for
> > Quanta that we can look at that gives a rough description of
what needs
> > to be
> > fixed?
> >
> > Thanks. I'm just trying to understand the issues to see if I can
help
> > before
> > the KDE4 glamor toy is shoved down my throat....
+

KDE4 is a bit like Vista. Few like it much but it is the  new wave.
Quanta will have to adapt or die.  Other software I use such as
Scribus require Qt 4.  Hence I am now using KDE4 and Qt4 on my
Slackware Linux 13 partition.
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[John Culleton-3]

On Saturday 05 September 2009 05:51:58 elhui wrote:
> You may vote for a continued support of KDE3 by OpenSuSE
11.2 at
> https://features.opensuse.org/306733.
> KDE4 still simply does not come up to KDE3 in many other
issues as well. It
> has a lot of bugs and missing features which are present in
KDE3. f.i.
> KDE4-Konqueror still refuses to view a lot of www-pages KDE3-
konqueror does
> not have a problem with.
>
> Bugzilla from sasha@... wrote:
> >> > Perhaps the way forward would be to set up a partition or
virtual
> >> > machine with opensuse 11.2 beta (or other distros that
are abandoning
> >> > KDE3), try installing quanta in that, and, as David
suggests, start
> >> > filing bug reports.
> >> >
> >> > Cheers
> >> > Ian
> >
> > There is only that much you can get from beating dead horse
and KDE3 is
> > dead
> > and so is Quanta that requires it. If you want to help yourself,
Quanta
> > (and,
> > the most important - me:) ) forget about Quanta 3 - time
invested in it
> > is time wasted and it just prolongs inevitable. Only help that
can make
> > any difference is getting developers and sponsors interested
in Quanta 4
> > that runs
> > on KDE4.
> >
> > Sasha
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > Quanta@...
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Slackware has already gone to KDE4. This move impelled me to
go to XFCE as my GUI.  IMO KDE4 is a Vista-class canine.

This does not solve the Quanta problem. Bluefish works but it is a
poor alternative IMO.  We all wait for Quanta 4. I need Qt4 for apps
like the latest Scribus.  But losing Qaunta was a blow.
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[Marbux]

KDE 4 is a productivity disaster, definitely not for folks who have
daily deadlines to meet and it gets worse with every release. I've
wasted enough time on it. I reverted to 3.5 and am on the hunt for a
desktop environment development team who have a clue about users who
work for a living.

Best regards,

Paul E. Merrell, J.D. (Marbux)
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[John Culleton-3]

On Thursday 29 October 2009 22:18:25 marbux wrote:
> KDE 4 is a productivity disaster, definitely not for folks who
have
> daily deadlines to meet and it gets worse with every release.
I've
> wasted enough time on it. I reverted to 3.5 and am on the hunt
for a
> desktop environment development team who have a clue about
users who
> work for a living.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Paul E. Merrell, J.D. (Marbux)


May I suggest XFCE?  That solves the productivity problem but
doesn't help with Quanta.
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John Culleton
"Create Book Covers with Scribus"
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