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Question: How Much of an Interest is There in AJAX?
by Judith Dinowitz
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Hi. I've been wondering: How large an audience is there for material (books, articles) on Web 2.0 and AJAX? I've been asked this question in a professional capacity. I've seen a lot of articles on the subject recently and evidence of interest in the ColdFusion community. But I'm still not sure of the size of the AJAX community, and how large an audience we'd be talking for something like an AJAX book...
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Re: Question: How Much of an Interest is There in AJAX?
by Massimo Foti
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> But I'm still not sure of the size of the AJAX community, and
> how large an audience we'd be talking for something like an AJAX book... The first AJAX book is already out: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1590595823 More will be available within a few months: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0471777781/ http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1590596161/ http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1932394613/ http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0596102259/ ---------------------------- Massimo Foti Tools for ColdFusion and Dreamweaver developers: http://www.massimocorner.com ---------------------------- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Purchase Contribute 3 from House of Fusion, a Macromedia Authorized Affiliate and support the CF community. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=53 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:47:1931 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/47 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:47 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=17837.14401.47 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54 |
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Re: Question: How Much of an Interest is There in AJAX?
by Thomas Chiverton
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On Monday 24 October 2005 07:35, Judith Dinowitz wrote:
> sure of the size of the AJAX community, and how large an audience we'd be > talking for something like an AJAX book... I would say the community is small (low traffic to this list), but OTOH Ajax-like stuff is very much the future, so can only grow. -- Tom Chiverton Advanced ColdFusion Programmer ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Purchase Dreamweaver with Homesite Plus from House of Fusion, a Macromedia Authorized Affiliate and support the CF community. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=54 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:47:1932 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/47 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:47 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=17837.14401.47 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54 |
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Re: Question: How Much of an Interest is There in AJAX?
by James Holmes-3
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CFAJAX, for example, is finding its way into almost every app I build
now. We can't afford Flex, Zorn isn't out for real yet and I find raw flash to be inside-out, backwards and generally annoying to work with, so AJAX is serving a worthwhile, practical purpose for me right now. On 10/24/05, Michael Dinowitz <mdinowit@...> wrote: [snip] >Any minor players using it? Anyone leaving other UI technologies (such as Flash/Flex) for it? > I'd have to say no at the moment. I'd have to say that it's a great idea and one with a lot of 'mind space' but not as much implimentation as of yet. Maybe a new book will move people towards implimentation. Maybe not. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Purchase Dreamweaver with Homesite Plus from House of Fusion, a Macromedia Authorized Affiliate and support the CF community. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=54 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:47:1933 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/47 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:47 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=17837.14401.47 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54 |
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Re: Question: How Much of an Interest is There in AJAX?
by Thomas Chiverton
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On Monday 24 October 2005 10:51, James Holmes wrote:
> CFAJAX, for example, is finding its way into almost every app I build > now. We can't afford Flex, Zorn isn't out for real yet and I find raw Indeed. We just had to add some extra fields to a form, with an in-database unique constraint to to enforce. In the Bad Old Days (about 6 months ago), we'd have to submit that form, check it, and then maybe redisplay it, urgh. Now we just have an onChange() handler that fires of an (a)Jax* request and highlights the field as needed. *What do you call synchronous Ajax ? -- Tom Chiverton Advanced ColdFusion Programmer ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:47:1934 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/47 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:47 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=17837.14401.47 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54 |
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Re: Question: How Much of an Interest is There in AJAX?
by Massimo Foti
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> Also, didn't I read somewhere that MACR was building some sort of
> functionality into a future version of Dreamweaver? I'm sure I did. See reports on the sneak peaks sessions at MAX: http://weblogs.macromedia.com/dehaan/archives/2005/10/sneak_peeks_at.cfm ---------------------------- Massimo Foti Tools for ColdFusion and Dreamweaver developers: http://www.massimocorner.com ---------------------------- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:47:1937 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/47 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:47 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=17837.14401.47 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54 |
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Re: Question: How Much of an Interest is There in AJAX?
by Thomas Chiverton
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On Monday 24 October 2005 14:48, Dawson, Michael wrote:
> 1. What do you do if the user disabled Javascript? Do you give them an > alternative or just show a message? It breaks. This is a realistic fall back in todays world, as far as I am concerned. In the arena in which the app is used, it's Joe Blogs on the street or some management guy using it - the people who have Javascript on it's default settings in other words. > 2. If you have an error on the server-side script, what type of > data/packet/information do you return to the ajax request? The proxy we have betwen our code and Sarissa* detects the CF error, and throws up an alert() box. The CF code also logs (log4cf) the error as if it was a normal page, and that comes in via our existing systems. *cross-browser xmlHtttpRequest() object. -- Tom Chiverton Advanced ColdFusion Programmer ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=11 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:47:1938 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/47 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:47 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=17837.14401.47 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54 |
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Re: Question: How Much of an Interest is There in AJAX?
by Sean Corfield
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On 10/23/05, Judith Dinowitz <jdinowit@...> wrote:
> Hi. I've been wondering: How large an audience is there for material (books, articles) on Web 2.0 and AJAX? I've been asked this question in a professional capacity. My sense is that there is far more interest than implementation. "Everyone" wants to know about this magical new technology (despite the fact it is neither magical nor new!) but very few people are using it in their applications. That will change. I expect tools to make "AJaX"-style applications easy to build and therefore commonplace. At the same time, the books etc will shift from dealing with the nitty-gritty implementation stuff to more general user interface guidelines and "experience" stuff. Why? Because the tools will hide all of the dirt and no one will care much about implementation. In the Sneak Peeks at MAX, a possible future feature for Dreamweaver was demonstrated that would allow you to create "AJaX"-style apps with a few simple drag'n'drop actions (in the demo, just one JavaScript function call was written in by hand I think). Mike Chambers gave a good talk at MAX about integrating Flash content with "AJaX"-style content (the MXNA weblog aggregator uses this on various report pages to good effect). Macromedia has already made a Flash / JavaScript integration kit available and Flash Player 8 includes the ExternalInterface API to make it even easier to communicate between Flash content and JavaScript / HTML content on a single page. We'll see a lot of hybrid apps appearing over the next year or so I think. -- Sean A Corfield -- http://corfield.org/ Got frameworks? "If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive." -- Margaret Atwood ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:47:1939 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/47 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:47 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=17837.14401.47 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54 |
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Re: Question: How Much of an Interest is There in AJAX?
by Adam Haskell
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Our Company is loking into RIAs in general; were actually doing a lot of
technology review right now. We've been using the Ajax concepts for a while for select box population and what not; but nothing that really drives the app to a single page that loads and unload information. Our first app that really uses a lot of Dynamic content writting is launching right now, enterprise security management. A book about Ajax, technical side, is fairly useless I think white papers and tutorials cover the technical side enough. I agree with Sean what we will see are books that speak more to interface guidlines and human interaction; to this point that is where I have struggled. As for the technical side, our guidlines we are working with right now: Async calls are generally not used our factory actually makes syncronous calls. The intial function call does very little to changing content. It should notifying the user something is happening (ussually a loading message in the "notes" section of the page) Then it invokes the http request through a factory type design (its not toally a factory but its a dumbed down concept of it.) The "sucess handler" drives the dynamic changes The "failure handler" Displays a generic or User friendly eror message. If dealing with forms; disable elements that will be affected by the success of failure of the call. Adam H On 10/24/05, Sean Corfield <seancorfield@...> wrote: > > On 10/23/05, Judith Dinowitz <jdinowit@...> wrote: > > Hi. I've been wondering: How large an audience is there for material > (books, articles) on Web 2.0 and AJAX? I've been asked this question in a > professional capacity. > > My sense is that there is far more interest than implementation. > "Everyone" wants to know about this magical new technology (despite > the fact it is neither magical nor new!) but very few people are using > it in their applications. > > That will change. I expect tools to make "AJaX"-style applications > easy to build and therefore commonplace. At the same time, the books > etc will shift from dealing with the nitty-gritty implementation stuff > to more general user interface guidelines and "experience" stuff. Why? > Because the tools will hide all of the dirt and no one will care much > about implementation. > > In the Sneak Peeks at MAX, a possible future feature for Dreamweaver > was demonstrated that would allow you to create "AJaX"-style apps with > a few simple drag'n'drop actions (in the demo, just one JavaScript > function call was written in by hand I think). > > Mike Chambers gave a good talk at MAX about integrating Flash content > with "AJaX"-style content (the MXNA weblog aggregator uses this on > various report pages to good effect). Macromedia has already made a > Flash / JavaScript integration kit available and Flash Player 8 > includes the ExternalInterface API to make it even easier to > communicate between Flash content and JavaScript / HTML content on a > single page. > > We'll see a lot of hybrid apps appearing over the next year or so I think. > -- > Sean A Corfield -- http://corfield.org/ > Got frameworks? > > "If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive." > -- Margaret Atwood > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Flash for programmers - Flash MX Pro http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=56 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:47:1957 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/47 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:47 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=17837.14401.47 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54 |
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