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> -----Original Message-----
> From: musicbrainz-style-bounces@...
> [mailto:musicbrainz-style-bounces@...] On
> Behalf Of Frederic Da Vitoria
> Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 8:38 PM
> To: MusicBrainz style discussion
> Subject: Re: [mb-style] Is french silly? :p (French
> capitalization rules)
>
> 2006/8/8, Mangled <viapanda@...>:
> > 2006/8/8, MLL <webmll@...>:
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: musicbrainz-style-bounces@...
> > > >
> [mailto:musicbrainz-style-bounces@...] On Behalf
> > > > Of Mangled
> > > > Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 9:59 PM
> > > > To: MusicBrainz style discussion
> > > > Subject: Re: [mb-style] Is french silly? :p (French
> capitalization
> > > > rules)
> > > >
> > > > Can we start with reaching a consensus out of these two
> questions:
> > > >
> > > > > > (i) should MB try to follow common typographic
> usage, as used
> > > > > > for books? Or should it not, as MB is not about litterature
> > > > (argument by
> > > > > > bogdan)
> > > > > > (ii) if MB is to follow/choose a *decent* (decent
> according to
> > > > > > *french typographic conventions*) capitalization method,
> > > > is it even
> > > > > > manageable? (argument by nikki)
> > > > > >
> > >
> > > Objection, your Honor (should the h be in caps ? :P ). In
> the real
> > > world, there is no common typographic usage, as discussed
> before. So
> > > the proposal is biased.
> > >
> >
> > Please, don't honor your french nationality by complicating
> this more.
> > Copying the mail from the 3rd:
> >
> > "(a) there *are* typographic *conventions* used in the *publishing
> > industry* specifying how to capitalize titles
> > (b) while these conventions are not a *consensus*, and while
> > publishers (eg: typographers working for publishers) tend to each
> > prefer their own way to capitalize, I don't recall *anybody* in the
> > industry *seriously* thinking about sentence mode capitalization as
> > the way to go
> > (c) we are no longer (at least since 50 messages) talking
> about what
> > is the proper way to capitalize titles in french, and I don't think
> > there's a point arguing about this (as nobody here is qualified to
> > decide about that)"
> >
> > Now, can we move ahead and needle these two questions (i)
> and (ii)? :P
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > - Olivier
>
> I agree. I guess you will have to decide without me, though.
> I am about to leave on holidays :-)

I still don't agree, sorry. I didn't react at the time, but I said on July
27th:

"- as WP says (read header of
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Conventions_typographiques),
these are no rules, and I'll add they're widely unused (and very
controversial and complex, read
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_Wikip%C3%A9dia:Conventions_typograph
iques#TITRES).
I just looked at my bookshelves, the very rarely apply these rules. Most of
the time it's either all caps "AU PLAISIR DE DIEU", Gallimard / "Le cri de
la mouette", Laffont / Even a Goncourt and Medicis prize like "Le testament
français", Mercure de France". I can provide plenty of other examples. The
Wikipedia rules are rarely met (about 4% of my books)"

Then mangled tried to save his point advancing la Pléiade rules, that didn't
stand as you reminded him you found a sentence case example.

I maintain that we should apply what is used in the *reality*, and it's
either all caps - but who would want this ? - or sentence mode. Now I'm just
a newcomer, so if you want to ignore this, fine, it's surely that there's
something I didn't manage to understand. I guess I'll live with these weird
capitalised titles.

MLL

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