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by John Spencer-2 :: Rate this Message:

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Am going to Costa Rica and need to reduce bulk/weight. So I'm thinking that I want to remove the Plates from my Costa Rica Guide What is the best/correct way to do this with destroying the guide.?

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by Richard H. Payne (rhp AT shsu.edu) :: Rate this Message:

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Well, obviously, you'll "destroy" the guide by removing them. However,
I've done this with several guides. Take it to a place like Kinko's. Tell
them you want to cut the binding off and then re-bind the plates in one
new spiral bound book and the text in another. Three pieces of advice:
First make sure you have them copy and cut to size the index so it can
then be bound in both new volumes. Second, have them put clear plastic
covers on both volumes. Third, have them spiral bind the new volume with
the plates. They'll likely only be able to comb bind the other one due to
its size. Comb bind simply won't work well in the field.

The one drawback to this approach is that on some of the plate pages you
will wind up with the binding going through a bird's head, but it
shouldn't totally ruin it for ID purposes.

The only problem with doing this to the Costa Rican guide, as I recall
(I'm in my office and the volumes are at home.) is that the way the index
is done really adds a lot of pages. So, you might decide if you're able to
get away without it.

Hope this helps.

Dick Payne
Colorado Springs

On Sun, 11 May 2008 14:58:18 +0000, John Spencer <john@...>
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>Am going to Costa Rica and need to reduce bulk/weight. So I'm thinking
that I want to remove the Plates from my Costa Rica Guide What is the
best/correct way to do this with destroying the guide.?
>
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Re: RFI - Removing plates from guide

by Dana-25 :: Rate this Message:

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A few ideas that I have used over the years.  Yes, you alter the guide you
will take into the field.  Sometimes I buy a second copy of the guide to
keep in our library.  I learned that if I  take apart my guide by carefully
cutting off the binding, then separating it into the sections created by the
stitching, and finally cutting the sections in half, I have the widest page
possible.  The one time I had my copy company cut off the binding they cut
off so much they had to buy me a new book!

Give your copy company a detailed but simple written list of what you want
done to ensure you wishes are met.

I have my copy company make a color copy of the cover so I use that on the
text book.  I then create a Quick Index to the plates unless there is one
already available - this saves my sanity in searching for a bird in the
field especially when the authors use an order other than Clements.  I then
instruct the copy company to laminate both sides of the front and back
covers - laminating the Quick index on the inside of the back cover.  You
could also laminate it on the back of the back cover.  I carry my finished
book in a carry back that zips open so having it on the inside of the cover
is essential.

I copy all of the beginning pages and the index from the original book - and
instruct them as Richard Payne suggests to be sure they are the same size as
the plates.

I also have them add copies of the pages included in the inside of the Costa
Rica guide which are the conversion charts from metric (back to back)  and I
have added a Celsius/Farenheight chart I created.

I ask them to use a metal binding - plastic doesn't stand up well in the
field I find.

I also elaborately mark up my plate book
I put the plate number in a large size in the upper right corner of the
plate page.
On the text page I underline each name of a bird that I have seen before
somewhere else to show my previous lifers.
I put a dot to the left of the bird name on the text page if my tour company
or research shows I am likely to see it- sometimes I even use a letter code
to show where it is likely to be seen.
I will write in the Clements English or Latin names of the bird.
On the plate page, I in small print write in the name of the bird and
underline it again if I have seen it before - I find going from those tiny
numbers to the text page a nuisance at the least.
I also write across the top of the plate page in large capital letters the
family of birds if there is only one family on a page or group the members
of the family by stipple marks with the family name in large capital letters
to isolate that particular family.
All of this marking up is a very good way I found to also study the birds I
am likely to see.

My greatest admonition is to start early - do as I suggest not as I often
have done!  I now have a very good relationship with my copy company and
they shudder when they see me coming asking "how soon do you need it?"

Good luck and contact me if I can be of further help.
Dana Duxbury-Fox
North Andover, MA
danafox@...


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From: "Richard H. Payne (rhp AT shsu.edu)" <rhp@...>
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Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 5:29 PM
Subject: Re: [BIRDCHAT] RFI - Removing plates from guide


Well, obviously, you'll "destroy" the guide by removing them. However,
I've done this with several guides. Take it to a place like Kinko's. Tell
them you want to cut the binding off and then re-bind the plates in one
new spiral bound book and the text in another. Three pieces of advice:
First make sure you have them copy and cut to size the index so it can
then be bound in both new volumes. Second, have them put clear plastic
covers on both volumes. Third, have them spiral bind the new volume with
the plates. They'll likely only be able to comb bind the other one due to
its size. Comb bind simply won't work well in the field.

The one drawback to this approach is that on some of the plate pages you
will wind up with the binding going through a bird's head, but it
shouldn't totally ruin it for ID purposes.

The only problem with doing this to the Costa Rican guide, as I recall
(I'm in my office and the volumes are at home.) is that the way the index
is done really adds a lot of pages. So, you might decide if you're able to
get away without it.

Hope this helps.

Dick Payne
Colorado Springs

On Sun, 11 May 2008 14:58:18 +0000, John Spencer <john@...>
wrote:

>Am going to Costa Rica and need to reduce bulk/weight. So I'm thinking
that I want to remove the Plates from my Costa Rica Guide What is the
best/correct way to do this with destroying the guide.?
>
>BirdChat Guidelines: http://www.ksu.edu/audubon/chatguidelines.html
>Archives: http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdchat.html
>=========================================================================

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by Janet Zinn :: Rate this Message:

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I forgot to sign that last post regarding the book plates, so before I get
chastized by the list owners :) it was from:

Janet Zinn
Brooklyn, NY
www.janetzinnphotography.com


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