RFS: pidgin-skype

[Gabriele Giacone]

Dear mentors,

I am looking for a sponsor for my package "pidgin-skype".

* Package name    : pidgin-skype
  Version         : 0.1-1
  Upstream Author : Eion Robb eionrobb@...
* URL             : http://eion.robbmob.com/
* License         : GPLv3
  Section         : contrib/net

It builds these binary packages:
pidgin-skype - Skype plugin for Pidgin

This is the Skype API Plugin for Pidgin/libpurple/Adium. If you're already running Skype, you can have your Skype contacts displayed with your Pidgin/libpurple/Adium contacts. It is intended as a complete replacement for the Skype user interface, hopefully everything you can do in Skype you can do with this plugin.

The package appears to be lintian clean.

The package can be found on mentors.debian.net:
- URL: http://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool/contrib/p/pidgin-skype
- Source repository: deb-src http://mentors.debian.net/debian unstable main contrib non-free
- dget http://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool/contrib/p/pidgin-skype/pidgin-skype_0.1-1.dsc

I would be glad if someone uploaded this package for me.

Kind regards
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[Julian Andres Klode-4]

Am Dienstag, den 03.11.2009, 02:07 +0100 schrieb Gabriele Giacone:

> Dear mentors,
>
> I am looking for a sponsor for my package "pidgin-skype".
>
> * Package name    : pidgin-skype
>   Version         : 0.1-1
>   Upstream Author : Eion Robb <eionrobb@...>
> * URL             : http://eion.robbmob.com/
> * License         : GPLv3
>   Section         : contrib/net
>
> It builds these binary packages:
> pidgin-skype - Skype plugin for Pidgin
>
> This is the Skype API Plugin for Pidgin/libpurple/Adium. If you're
> already running Skype, you can have your Skype contacts displayed with
> your Pidgin/libpurple/Adium contacts. It is intended as a complete
> replacement for the Skype user interface, hopefully everything you can
> do in Skype you can do with this plugin.
>
> The package appears to be lintian clean.
>
> The package can be found on mentors.debian.net:
> - URL: http://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool/contrib/p/pidgin-skype
> - Source repository: deb-src http://mentors.debian.net/debian unstable
> main contrib non-free
> - dget
> http://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool/contrib/p/pidgin-skype/pidgin-skype_0.1-1.dsc
>
> I would be glad if someone uploaded this package for me.

Some random notes, without any intent to sponsor this package:

 * According to the website, the icons are non-free (CC-BY-NC-SA),
   and should thus be removed from the tarball. If they are now
   actually licensed under GPL, they still miss the source I
   guess (as there are only pngs).
 * debian/README.* are templates and should be removed.
 * debian/copyright could use the DEP-5 format, i.e.    
   dep.debian.net/deps/dep5/
 * You should probably not depend on pidgin, I guess the plugin
   is also useable from finch (the console version).

I haven't build the package as I was just a bit bored and took a look at
the source. I did not even run lintian.

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[Patrick Matthäi-3]

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Julian Andres Klode schrieb:

> Am Dienstag, den 03.11.2009, 02:07 +0100 schrieb Gabriele Giacone:
>> Dear mentors,
>>
>> I am looking for a sponsor for my package "pidgin-skype".
>>
>> * Package name    : pidgin-skype
>>   Version         : 0.1-1
>>   Upstream Author : Eion Robb <eionrobb@...>
>> * URL             : http://eion.robbmob.com/
>> * License         : GPLv3
>>   Section         : contrib/net
>>
>> It builds these binary packages:
>> pidgin-skype - Skype plugin for Pidgin
>>
>> This is the Skype API Plugin for Pidgin/libpurple/Adium. If you're
>> already running Skype, you can have your Skype contacts displayed with
>> your Pidgin/libpurple/Adium contacts. It is intended as a complete
>> replacement for the Skype user interface, hopefully everything you can
>> do in Skype you can do with this plugin.
>>
>> The package appears to be lintian clean.
>>
>> The package can be found on mentors.debian.net:
>> - URL: http://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool/contrib/p/pidgin-skype
>> - Source repository: deb-src http://mentors.debian.net/debian unstable
>> main contrib non-free
>> - dget
>> http://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool/contrib/p/pidgin-skype/pidgin-skype_0.1-1.dsc
>>
>> I would be glad if someone uploaded this package for me.
>
> Some random notes, without any intent to sponsor this package:
>
>  * According to the website, the icons are non-free (CC-BY-NC-SA),
>    and should thus be removed from the tarball. If they are now
>    actually licensed under GPL, they still miss the source I
>    guess (as there are only pngs).

Right, the icons are currently non-free, but pngs are also "free" and
licensable under the terms of the GPL, okay it does not make much sense,
but yeah..
Source of it? Open it and edit it :)

>  * debian/README.* are templates and should be removed.
>  * debian/copyright could use the DEP-5 format, i.e.    
>    dep.debian.net/deps/dep5/
>  * You should probably not depend on pidgin, I guess the plugin
>    is also useable from finch (the console version).

I agree with your points.

Also my bits of shit:

* debian/control:
- - no homepage field.

* debian/changelog:
- - you do not close an ITP bug

* debian/docs:
- - there are double ones

* debian/README.Debian:
- - install this file and please explain there, how to
  install and use it

* debian/README.source:
- - remove it

* debian/rules:
- - remvoe the useless comments


Also you are missing build dependencys. Please build it in a clean
chroot, use e.g. pbuilder. I also expect, that there are some more
lintian errors/warnings, check it after building with -IE --pedantic
yourchanges.file:


   dh_auto_build

make[1]: Entering directory `/tmp/buildd/pidgin-skype-0.1'

gcc -I/usr/include/libpurple -DPURPLE_PLUGINS -DENABLE_NLS -Wall
- -pthread -I/usr/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/lib/glib-2.0/include
- -I/usr/include -I. -g -O2 -pipe libskype.c -o libskype.so -shared -fPIC
- -DPIC


In file included from skype_messaging.c:50,


                 from libskype.c:146:


skype_messaging_x11.c:23:22: error: X11/Xlib.h: No such file or
directory

skype_messaging_x11.c:24:23: error: X11/Xatom.h: No such file or
directory

In file included from skype_messaging.c:50,


                 from libskype.c:146:


skype_messaging_x11.c:26: error: expected '=', ',', ';', 'asm' or
'__attribute__' before '*' token

skype_messaging_x11.c:27: error: expected '=', ',', ';', 'asm' or
'__attribute__' before 'win'

skype_messaging_x11.c:28: error: expected '=', ',', ';', 'asm' or
'__attribute__' before 'skype_win'

skype_messaging_x11.c:30: error: expected '=', ',', ';', 'asm' or
'__attribute__' before 'message_start'

skype_messaging_x11.c:36: error: expected ')' before '*' token


skype_messaging_x11.c: In function 'skype_connect':


skype_messaging_x11.c:41: error: 'Window' undeclared (first use in this
function)

skype_messaging_x11.c:41: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported
only once

skype_messaging_x11.c:41: error: for each function it appears in.)


skype_messaging_x11.c:41: error: expected ';' before 'root'


skype_messaging_x11.c:42: error: 'Atom' undeclared (first use in this
function)

skype_messaging_x11.c:42: error: expected ';' before 'skype_inst'


skype_messaging_x11.c:43: error: expected ';' before 'type_ret'


skype_messaging_x11.c:51: warning: implicit declaration of function
'XSetErrorHandler'

skype_messaging_x11.c:51: error: 'x11_error_handler' undeclared (first
use in this function)

skype_messaging_x11.c:53: error: 'disp' undeclared (first use in this
function)

skype_messaging_x11.c:53: warning: implicit declaration of function
'XOpenDisplay'

skype_messaging_x11.c:61: error: 'message_start' undeclared (first use
in this function)

skype_messaging_x11.c:61: warning: implicit declaration of function
'XInternAtom'

skype_messaging_x11.c:61: error: 'False' undeclared (first use in this
function)

skype_messaging_x11.c:62: error: 'message_continue' undeclared (first
use in this function)

skype_messaging_x11.c:63: error: 'root' undeclared (first use in this
function)

skype_messaging_x11.c:63: warning: implicit declaration of function
'DefaultRootWindow'

skype_messaging_x11.c:64: error: 'win' undeclared (first use in this
function)

skype_messaging_x11.c:64: warning: implicit declaration of function
'XCreateSimpleWindow'

skype_messaging_x11.c:65: warning: implicit declaration of function
'BlackPixel'

skype_messaging_x11.c:65: warning: implicit declaration of function
'DefaultScreen'

skype_messaging_x11.c:67: warning: implicit declaration of function
'XFlush'

skype_messaging_x11.c:73: error: 'skype_inst' undeclared (first use in
this function)

skype_messaging_x11.c:73: error: 'True' undeclared (first use in this
function)

skype_messaging_x11.c:74: error: 'None' undeclared (first use in this
function)

skype_messaging_x11.c:76: error: 'skype_win' undeclared (first use in
this function)

skype_messaging_x11.c:80: warning: implicit declaration of function
'XGetWindowProperty'

skype_messaging_x11.c:80: error: 'XA_WINDOW' undeclared (first use in
this function)

skype_messaging_x11.c:80: error: 'type_ret' undeclared (first use in
this function)

skype_messaging_x11.c:81: error: 'Success' undeclared (first use in this
function)

skype_messaging_x11.c:83: warning: implicit declaration of function
'XFree'

skype_messaging_x11.c: In function 'skype_disconnect':


skype_messaging_x11.c:101: error: 'XEvent' undeclared (first use in this
function)

skype_messaging_x11.c:101: error: 'e' undeclared (first use in this
function)

skype_messaging_x11.c:104: error: 'skype_win' undeclared (first use in
this function)

skype_messaging_x11.c:104: error: 'Window' undeclared (first use in this
function)

skype_messaging_x11.c:106: error: 'disp' undeclared (first use in this
function)

skype_messaging_x11.c:108: error: 'win' undeclared (first use in this
function)

skype_messaging_x11.c:110: error: expected expression before ')' token
skype_messaging_x11.c:111: error: 'DestroyNotify' undeclared (first use
in this function)
skype_messaging_x11.c:112: warning: implicit declaration of function
'XSendEvent'
skype_messaging_x11.c:112: error: 'False' undeclared (first use in this
function)
skype_messaging_x11.c:115: warning: implicit declaration of function
'XDestroyWindow'
skype_messaging_x11.c:117: warning: implicit declaration of function
'XCloseDisplay'
skype_messaging_x11.c: At top level:
skype_messaging_x11.c:125: error: expected ')' before '*' token
skype_messaging_x11.c: In function 'send_message':
skype_messaging_x11.c:137: error: 'XEvent' undeclared (first use in this
function)
skype_messaging_x11.c:137: error: expected ';' before 'e'
skype_messaging_x11.c:142: error: 'skype_win' undeclared (first use in
this function)
skype_messaging_x11.c:142: error: 'win' undeclared (first use in this
function)
skype_messaging_x11.c:142: error: 'disp' undeclared (first use in this
function)
skype_messaging_x11.c:155: error: 'e' undeclared (first use in this
function)
skype_messaging_x11.c:156: error: 'ClientMessage' undeclared (first use
in this function)
skype_messaging_x11.c:157: error: 'message_start' undeclared (first use
in this function)
skype_messaging_x11.c:167: error: 'False' undeclared (first use in this
function)
skype_messaging_x11.c:170: error: 'message_continue' undeclared (first
use in this function)
skype_messaging_x11.c:176: error: 'BadWindow' undeclared (first use in
this function)
skype_messaging_x11.c: In function 'receive_message_loop':
skype_messaging_x11.c:194: error: 'XEvent' undeclared (first use in this
function)
skype_messaging_x11.c:194: error: expected ';' before 'e'
skype_messaging_x11.c:200: error: 'x11_error_handler' undeclared (first
use in this function)
skype_messaging_x11.c:203: error: 'disp' undeclared (first use in this
function)
skype_messaging_x11.c:211: error: 'Bool' undeclared (first use in this
function)
skype_messaging_x11.c:211: error: expected ';' before 'event_bool'
skype_messaging_x11.c:213: error: 'event_bool' undeclared (first use in
this function)
skype_messaging_x11.c:213: warning: implicit declaration of function
'XCheckTypedEvent'
skype_messaging_x11.c:213: error: 'ClientMessage' undeclared (first use
in this function)
skype_messaging_x11.c:213: error: 'e' undeclared (first use in this
function)
skype_messaging_x11.c:230: error: 'message_start' undeclared (first use
in this function)
skype_messaging_x11.c:232: error: 'message_continue' undeclared (first
use in this function)
make[1]: *** [all] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/tmp/buildd/pidgin-skype-0.1'
dh_auto_build: make returned exit code 2
make: *** [build] Error 1


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[Don Armstrong]

On Tue, 03 Nov 2009, Patrick Matthäi wrote:
> Right, the icons are currently non-free, but pngs are also "free"
> and licensable under the terms of the GPL, okay it does not make
> much sense, but yeah.. Source of it? Open it and edit it :)

If the images were created directly as a png, yes. if they were
created as svg or similar and converted to png (more likely), no.


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Don Armstrong schrieb:
> On Tue, 03 Nov 2009, Patrick Matthäi wrote:
>> Right, the icons are currently non-free, but pngs are also "free"
>> and licensable under the terms of the GPL, okay it does not make
>> much sense, but yeah.. Source of it? Open it and edit it :)
>
> If the images were created directly as a png, yes. if they were
> created as svg or similar and converted to png (more likely), no.

More likely? I think most users (if that are no very complex graphics
with layers etc) are direct saving it as png, jpg {put in here your
personal prefered image format}.

Also as long as you do not realy know, that they are using svg for it
then you should just think: okay, direct as png..

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[Don Armstrong]

On Tue, 03 Nov 2009, Patrick Matthäi wrote:
> Don Armstrong schrieb:
> > If the images were created directly as a png, yes. if they were
> > created as svg or similar and converted to png (more likely), no.
>
> More likely?

In fact, near absolute certainty:

$ dget -qux  'http://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool/contrib/p/pidgin-skype/pidgin-skype_0.1-1.dsc'
$ strings pidgin-skype-0.1/icons/48/skypeout.png
IHDR
sBIT
        pHYs
tEXtSoftware
www.inkscape.org
[...]

It's fairly rare for someone to laboriously create multiple versions
of icons at different resolutions in PNG. [I know I certainly haven't
done it since about 1992.]

You could at least bother to check before arguing, you know...


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Don Armstrong schrieb:

> In fact, near absolute certainty:
>
> $ dget -qux  'http://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool/contrib/p/pidgin-skype/pidgin-skype_0.1-1.dsc'
> $ strings pidgin-skype-0.1/icons/48/skypeout.png
> IHDR
> sBIT
> pHYs
> tEXtSoftware
> www.inkscape.org
> [...]
>
> It's fairly rare for someone to laboriously create multiple versions
> of icons at different resolutions in PNG. [I know I certainly haven't
> done it since about 1992.]
>

This would mean, that it is created with inkscape, which could also save
the files as svg.

I am not a graphical one, but I creating sometimes in rare cases images
with inkscape and gimp and everytime I save them directly as png.

So the strings and the used software does not realy say, that there is a
 "real source file" of it.

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[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.-3]

On Tuesday 03 November 2009 14:06:20 Patrick Matthäi wrote:

> Don Armstrong schrieb:
> > $ dget -qux
> > 'http://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool/contrib/p/pidgin-skype/pidgin-skyp
> >e_0.1-1.dsc' $ strings pidgin-skype-0.1/icons/48/skypeout.png
> > IHDR
> > sBIT
> > pHYs
> > tEXtSoftware
> > www.inkscape.org
> > [...]
>
> This would mean, that it is created with inkscape, which could also save
> the files as svg.

In this case, it would also mean the preferred form for modification is the
inkscape native format.
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[Don Armstrong]

On Tue, 03 Nov 2009, Patrick Matthäi wrote:
> This would mean, that it is created with inkscape, which could also
> save the files as svg. So the strings and the used software does not
> realy say, that there is a "real source file" of it.

It doesn't tell you whether the source code exists anymore, but it
certainly tells me that it existed at some point in time.[1]

You can deliberately destroy the source code of almost anything that
we distribute in Debian. That doesn't change what the source code was.
[And honestly, I'm not convinced that such deliberate destruction
complies with DFSG §2 anyway.]

In conclusion, beefore this is uploaded, you need to contact the
upstream author and get the author to distribute the SVG or otherwise
provide assurances that the SVG no longer exists at all. You probably
also should be generating the icons on the fly from the SVG using
inkscape as you build the package.


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[Richard Laager]

On Tue, 2009-11-03 at 18:27 +0100, Julian Andres Klode wrote:
>  * You should probably not depend on pidgin, I guess the plugin
>    is also useable from finch (the console version).

You would want to depend on libpurple0, but that should be happening
automatically. (I haven't tried building this package.)

The plugin requires libpurple >= 2.1.0, as per its PurplePluginInfo
struct in libskype.c. So you need to drop the pidgin dependency and
change the libpurple build-dep to be something like this:

Build-Dep: libpurple-dev (< 3), libpurple-dev (>= 2.1)

Also, why does the diff include a huge delta for the README?

You have README.txt listed twice in debian/docs.

Why does this only suggest the skype package? It doesn't work without
it. Shouldn't that be a Depends?

Why mention Adium in the Debian package description? Adium only runs on
Mac OS X? That whole description feels to me like it needs some work.
Here's a quick suggestion (not meant as a finished product necessarily):

        This protocol plugin allows libpurple to communicate with Skype.
        Applications using libpurple (Pidgin, Finch, Instantbird, etc.)
        can thus show your Skype contacts alongside those from other
        protocols, and you can communicate with them using that
        application instead of the Skype user interface.
        .
        This plugin communicates with the Skype application in the
        background to perform its work, so it's necessary to have Skype
        installed and running.

Richard

P.S. Eion, skype_buddy_free() doesn't need all the "if (foo)" bits
before the g_free()s. g_free() is documented to always check for NULL.

[Charles Plessy-12]

Le Tue, Nov 03, 2009 at 12:29:00PM -0800, Don Armstrong a écrit :
>
> You can deliberately destroy the source code of almost anything that
> we distribute in Debian. That doesn't change what the source code was.
> [And honestly, I'm not convinced that such deliberate destruction
> complies with DFSG §2 anyway.]

Dear all

If the Project is really serious about it, I have to declare a couple of RC
bugs on some of my packages: I have sent manpages in Docbook and nroff format
Upstream, and some of them discarded the Docbook source, since they are more
comfortable editing the nroff source directly.

I would rather stick to the interpretation that the preferred form of
modification is the one upstream uses, even if we think this is not optimal and
we would prefer he had done another way.

Have a nice day,

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[Norbert Preining]

On Di, 03 Nov 2009, Don Armstrong wrote:
> provide assurances that the SVG no longer exists at all. You probably
> also should be generating the icons on the fly from the SVG using
> inkscape as you build the package.

What??? That is a joke, right?

If everyone would start using inkscape for building icons that are pre-made
then ... well, build-deps are exploding.

I consider this wrong behaviour.

Finally to the OP: BTW, you have to cut out the brain of upstream
and include a digitized version of it in your source, becasue that one
is the preferred version of editing, and the real source.

Guys you are getting ridicuolous.

Best wishes

Norbert

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[Norbert Preining]

On Mi, 04 Nov 2009, Charles Plessy wrote:
> I would rather stick to the interpretation that the preferred form of
> modification is the one upstream uses, even if we think this is not optimal and
> we would prefer he had done another way.

Thanks, yes!

BTW; If you use
        help2man
the preferred source is the *binary*?

I agree with you, that is really strange what is going on here.

Best wishes

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[Sune Vuorela-2]

On 2009-11-03, Don Armstrong <don@...> wrote:
> It's fairly rare for someone to laboriously create multiple versions
> of icons at different resolutions in PNG. [I know I certainly haven't
> done it since about 1992.]

Yes and no. Some icon artists create it in svg and then export to png
and does pixelmanipulations of each size.

What's the source here ?

/Sune


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[Don Armstrong]

On Wed, 04 Nov 2009, Norbert Preining wrote:
> If everyone would start using inkscape for building icons that are
> pre-made then ... well, build-deps are exploding.

I don't particularly care whether they're generated on the fly or not,
but in many cases, distributing the svg with (some set) of pngs is the
way to go, as icons often need to be in rather weird sizes.

Finally, inkscape just happens to be a convenient svg->png converter;
feel free to substitute whatever you feel is appropriate.

> Finally to the OP: BTW, you have to cut out the brain of upstream
> and include a digitized version of it in your source, becasue that one
> is the preferred version of editing, and the real source.

Congratulations, you've slain a scarecrow.


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[Don Armstrong]

On Wed, 04 Nov 2009, Charles Plessy wrote:
> I would rather stick to the interpretation that the preferred form
> of modification is the one upstream uses, even if we think this is
> not optimal and we would prefer he had done another way.

The prefered form of modification is the form that is actually used to
modify the work. In the instant case, I'm convinced that it's not the
set of 6 PNGs we're distributing, but two SVGs we do not. If someone
actually feels differently, they should contact the upstream author
who should provide information that will convince ftpmaster that this
is so.

In your case, I'd suggest that you should be distributing *both* the
docbook form, and the nroff form that upstream is modifying. [Or at
the very least, the docbook form should be publicly available, even if
it doesn't go in the orig.tar.gz.]


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[Richard Laager]

On Wed, 2009-11-04 at 01:15 +0000, Sune Vuorela wrote:
> Yes and no. Some icon artists create it in svg and then export to png
> and does pixelmanipulations of each size.
>
> What's the source here ?

Theoretical discussions aside, in this case, I'd distribute both. If the
SVG no longer exists, I'd obviously distribute just the PNGs.

Richard


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[Manoj Srivastava]

On Tue, Nov 03 2009, Charles Plessy wrote:

> Le Tue, Nov 03, 2009 at 12:29:00PM -0800, Don Armstrong a écrit :
>>
>> You can deliberately destroy the source code of almost anything that
>> we distribute in Debian. That doesn't change what the source code was.
>> [And honestly, I'm not convinced that such deliberate destruction
>> complies with DFSG §2 anyway.]
>
> Dear all
>
> If the Project is really serious about it, I have to declare a couple
> of RC bugs on some of my packages: I have sent manpages in Docbook and
> nroff format Upstream, and some of them discarded the Docbook source,
> since they are more comfortable editing the nroff source directly.

        In other words, the preferred form of modification is the nroff
 source?  Why all the red herrings about docbook, then?

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[Manoj Srivastava]

On Tue, Nov 03 2009, Norbert Preining wrote:

> On Mi, 04 Nov 2009, Charles Plessy wrote:
>> I would rather stick to the interpretation that the preferred form of
>> modification is the one upstream uses, even if we think this is not optimal and
>> we would prefer he had done another way.
>
> Thanks, yes!
>
> BTW; If you use
> help2man
> the preferred source is the *binary*?

        In that case, the man page is an intermediate file, and should
 be removed in clean and regenerated in build, just like we do other
 auto-generated files shipped by upstream.

        Not really analogous to what Don was talking about.

        manoj
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[Manoj Srivastava]

On Tue, Nov 03 2009, Norbert Preining wrote:

> On Di, 03 Nov 2009, Don Armstrong wrote:
>> provide assurances that the SVG no longer exists at all. You probably
>> also should be generating the icons on the fly from the SVG using
>> inkscape as you build the package.
>
> What??? That is a joke, right?
>
> If everyone would start using inkscape for building icons that are pre-made
> then ... well, build-deps are exploding.

        So?

> I consider this wrong behaviour.

        No, it would be the right behaviour. Even of gcc, cpp, and ldd
 are huge, we do not complain about building non-source files while
 building binary packages.

> Finally to the OP: BTW, you have to cut out the brain of upstream
> and include a digitized version of it in your source, becasue that one
> is the preferred version of editing, and the real source.
>
> Guys you are getting ridicuolous.

        Actually, your posting is perhaps the only one that meets this
 criteria.  What is so wrong about insisting on the preferred form of
 modification?

        manoj
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