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Rank Test- term clarificationsHokay.. So in response to a bit of confusion re: Shuai Jiao and Qin Na terminology, I decided to write up a post describing the ones that we'll be looking at for the Blue an Purple tests. If you forget the old-style name for something when I ask for it, at least remember the more general name so I don't have to show you what you're about to show me, eh? I'll try to grievously pirate some images from sites of identical or similar techniques to give some visual aid.
On the Blue Sash test: White ape worships Buddha (AKA- Outside wrist lock). Takes the opponents hand and folds it back at the wrist, rotating it toward their outside while pulling the wrist downward. Should cause them to either drop to a knee in front of you or fall to one side, depending on how much rotation you add. ![]() Wild chicken spreads wings (AKA - Inside wrist lock). Folds the opponent's hand back at the wrist, rotating it toward their inside so their fingers point straight up, then turning them forward, toward them while pulling the wrist in. The rotational opposite of White ape worships. ![]() Two children worship Buddha (Aka- Inside body arm bar). Standing behind the opponent's arm, you capture their wrist or hand, then bow forward through their elbow with your shoulder, causing them to likewise bow forward (hence the name). Almost always immediately followed up with a sweep or other control. Can't find a picture of this one so you'll just have to freakin' remember. Scissors sweep - As in the scissor sweep from the star form. Step into a front scissor stance, catching the opponent's foot while your hands drive their shoulders back the other way. ![]() Elbow drop and scissors sweep - Ok, this was a confusing name and it's my fault. The elbow drop portion of the throw is where your opposite hand comes in to the inside of the opponent's elbow while the same-side hand has their wrist, you bend their arm and try to press the point of their elbow into the ground behind them. The scissors sweep simply means to step behind them and catch their foot as you do this so they have a harder time stepping back out of it. Had I been following my usual terminology, I would have called that an outside bow stance sweep. Here's a picture of the arm portion of the throw. I couldn't find a variation with a sweep. Two leg uproot - This is what the rest of the known universe calls a double-leg takedown. There are numerous variations. I care about the ability to change levels well, maintain posture, and control the takedown. If you don't know what I mean, just Google double-leg takedown. On the purple sash test (Justin.. this means you..) Send the devil to heaven. ![]() This one.. Aikidoists call it Sankyo, meaning third technique.. How boring is that? Lion worships buddha ![]() This one, minus the wrist lock that Dr. Yang has masterfully applied with his rear hand. I tend to put my hand on the back of their head in this one, but that's just me. I suspect his form is more technically correct. This starts by bringing your opposite hand up under their elbow while the same -side hand holds their wrist (as if to arm drag), but then they raise their elbow so you shoot through and wrap the elbow, while turning the body to move them forward off their center. Twist the wing This one, minus the extra wrist english. You capture their wrist, bring it up next to their shoulder and just to the outside, then support the arm with your opposite arm and pull their wrist down behind them to rotate against their shoulder. Face the heavens and fall down
Like the guys on the right. Step behind your opponent's shoulder, put your arm or hand under their chin and make them look up, then knock them down backward. Their are some Shuai Jiao on the purple test that Justin and I will need to review the names for because trying to describe or find pictures will likely only add to the confusion. They're simple throws that we've done a lot though, so don't stress. |
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Re: Rank Test- term clarificationsThank you sir!
the pictures help. can you post a link to "small red boxing" or the name in phonetic Chinese? Ric |
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Re: Rank Test- term clarificationsClarification: For the Two Children worship the Buddha, are there any commonly accepted ways to get behind the arm? Elbow drag? start by doing a Wild Chicken cross grab and then just step in? I know if I was defending with it I'd be able to do it but I have to practice this on my lonesome and wanted to clarify. Thanks;)
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Re: Rank Test- term clarificationsArm drag or something akin to it, yeah. With the Qin Na I really prefer to focus on taking techniques that show up rather than trying to set up specific ones. For example, if in the clinch or a scramble of some sort I find that my thumb is on the back of their hand and I've grabbed their wrist, I'll go for outside wrist lock almost immediately because I've spent so much time doing it that the hand position for it happens really naturally. Same sorta thing with Two Children. It's more about recognizing the position and taking what shows up. For example; say you started an arm drag with every intention of going to your opponent's back, but they pull away and you find yourself holding their hand and standing behind their arm.. bam! Bend forward, barring their arm because you recognize that place. Another one I get a lot is when someone goes for something like Face th Heavens and fall down (ie- they step behind you, but leave their arm in front) and doesn't have control of my posture. In that situation, I just bend forward and bar their arm right away to get control back.
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Re: Rank Test- term clarificationsThe name in pinyin is Xiao Hong Quan. I'm really partial to this Sifu's rendition of it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dFKKw9V5zc&mode=related&search= If you look around you'll see many variations on this form and a lot of personal interpretation going on. That's not so much because people have got it wrong but because the form is so old it's had lots of time for different teachers' and schools' flavors to seep into it. That's a good thing in my opinion. |
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Re: Rank Test- term clarificationsOh, well, yeah, of course. THat is definitly understood, I just meant for the purpose of our test, how would be a good way to demonstrate that? Just pull their arm across and do it...?
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Re: Rank Test- term clarificationssure.
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