Re: "Take my wife ( cross out wife ) site, please!"

[Ray St. Marie]

It's been pointed out to me that I'm truely not a programmer. In an
effort to stop embarrassing myself any longer, I was hopping someone
would like to take over and re-write the colorForthRay.info site.
Charles Childers is the gracious and generous host, and really, I hope
Charles takes it, re-writes it and puts it under one of his good
domains like ForthFreak.

I'm truely sorry for having wasted 10+ years of time doing this, and
5years or so of wasteing your time with IRC, C.L.F, and colorForth
Mailing List posts, some of which obviously show that i just might not
be thinking properly.

For those that are concerned, the meds are working fine.

Some of you may be interested in some of the colored forth things i've
collected over the years and they will be available for several days
before I destroy it all. Yours for the asking.

Ray
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[John Comeau]

Ray, if you feel you've wasted your time that's your choice, but you
haven't wasted anybody else's, and your site helped me immeasurably
when I was getting started with colorForth. I'm not "truly" a
programmer either, but I don't let it stop me from enjoying it, or
even making money from it now and then.

Your domain doesn't expire until September, so I don't see what's the
rush. I'd like to get a chance to mirror it before you destroy it, but
I'm busy with other projects right now and can't get to it for a
while. Could you maybe take a few deep breaths, decide you don't give
a 5#1t about what others think of your programming abilities, and
leave your site up for the edification  of all? If it's hosting fees
that are causing the shutdown I can kick in a few bucks this coming
payday, if you have a PayPal account.

On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 2:10 AM, Ray St. Marie <ray.stmarie@...> wrote:

> It's been pointed out to me that I'm truely not a programmer. In an
>  effort to stop embarrassing myself any longer, I was hopping someone
>  would like to take over and re-write the colorForthRay.info site.
>  Charles Childers is the gracious and generous host, and really, I hope
>  Charles takes it, re-writes it and puts it under one of his good
>  domains like ForthFreak.
>
>  I'm truely sorry for having wasted 10+ years of time doing this, and
>  5years or so of wasteing your time with IRC, C.L.F, and colorForth
>  Mailing List posts, some of which obviously show that i just might not
>  be thinking properly.
>
>  For those that are concerned, the meds are working fine.
>
>  Some of you may be interested in some of the colored forth things i've
>  collected over the years and they will be available for several days
>  before I destroy it all. Yours for the asking.
>
>  Ray
>  --
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>  ex-colorforthray.info
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all over the place"

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[Gwenhwyfaer]

On 26/03/2008, Ray St. Marie <ray.stmarie@...> wrote:
> It's been pointed out to me that I'm truely not a programmer.

Ray, remember that the internet is sadly full (and, it seems, getting
fuller) of unpleasant people who operate under the delusion that
tearing down the work of others is as good as producing their own.
They are wrong, and they are deeply flawed people, and your efforts
have not at all been wasted or unwelcome.

Even if you decide not to share any of your work in public - and given
what people are like, who can blame you? - please don't give up
something that gives you pleasure just because someone else expresses
disdain. After all, if everyone trying to learn their instrument gave
up the first time someone told them to "shut that racket up", there
would be no music...

Regards, and best wishes
Gwenhwyfaer

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[Nick Maroudas-2]

Quoting "Ray St. Marie" <ray.stmarie@...>:

>... " It's been pointed out to me that I'm truely not
>... " a programmer.

Dear Ray,

The instant positive response by John Comeau and others
on this thread ought to reassure you.  Your version of
CF01 on Tim Neitz's site is packed with good things,
and your image of Josh Grams CF05 helped me boot CF05.
Don't let critics put you down - ColorForth is fun and
an intellectual exercise, just the thing for keeping up
one's spirit in illness.

A similar crisis occurred in Linux: a parting between
the "real" programmers who went soaring up into the
stratosphere, and the less talented but equally "real"
programmers engaged in documentation and spreading the
word. That's how user-friendly versions like Ubuntu and
Puppy Linux were born.  There is a wide spectrum in the
Open Source movement.

Every best is only a best within parameters. Here are
some quotes:  

"The boy works hard but has no talent" - MichaelAngelo
on Raphael.  

"A good man, pity he never learnt to be a real painter"
- ElGreco on MichaelAngelo.

"Sit we ever so high, we can only sit on our own rear
ends" - Montaigne.

Caritas,

NickM

*****

"If a thing's worth doing, it's worth doing badly" -
GK Chesterton.

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[Jason Kemp-2]

My 6yo just asked me why I always have that "colorforthray" website
open.  'Always' is a bit of an exaggeration, but it is often open in a
tab somewhere for reference.

Ray St. Marie said the following on 26/03/2008 08:10:

> It's been pointed out to me that I'm truely not a programmer. In an
> effort to stop embarrassing myself any longer, I was hopping someone
> would like to take over and re-write the colorForthRay.info site.
> Charles Childers is the gracious and generous host, and really, I hope
> Charles takes it, re-writes it and puts it under one of his good
> domains like ForthFreak.
>
> I'm truely sorry for having wasted 10+ years of time doing this, and
> 5years or so of wasteing your time with IRC, C.L.F, and colorForth
> Mailing List posts, some of which obviously show that i just might not
> be thinking properly.
>
> For those that are concerned, the meds are working fine.
>
> Some of you may be interested in some of the colored forth things i've
> collected over the years and they will be available for several days
> before I destroy it all. Yours for the asking.
>
> Ray
>  

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[Charles Childers-2]

On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 02:10:00AM -0600, Ray St. Marie wrote:
> It's been pointed out to me that I'm truely not a programmer. In an
> effort to stop embarrassing myself any longer, I was hopping someone
> would like to take over and re-write the colorForthRay.info site.
> Charles Childers is the gracious and generous host, and really, I hope
> Charles takes it, re-writes it and puts it under one of his good
> domains like ForthFreak.

I've mirrored the site under forthworks.com, and will setup a community
site based on its contents by early summer. I appreciate the work you
put into it and hope that you will continue to help support those using
colorforth in the future, though I can understand if you choose not to.
 
> I'm truely sorry for having wasted 10+ years of time doing this, and
> 5years or so of wasteing your time with IRC, C.L.F, and colorForth
> Mailing List posts, some of which obviously show that i just might not
> be thinking properly.

You didn't waste my time. I've enjoyed getting to know you and wish you
luck in your future endeavours.
 

> For those that are concerned, the meds are working fine.
>
> Some of you may be interested in some of the colored forth things i've
> collected over the years and they will be available for several days
> before I destroy it all. Yours for the asking.
>
> Ray
> --
> Raymond St. Marie ii,
> ex-colorforthray.info
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[Ray St. Marie]

Hi John... Ray here :-)

On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 1:45 PM, John Comeau <jc@...> wrote:
> Ray, if you feel you've wasted your time that's your choice, but you
> haven't wasted anybody else's, and your site helped me immeasurably
> when I was getting started with colorForth. I'm not "truly" a
> programmer either, but I don't let it stop me from enjoying it, or
> even making money from it now and then.

This is very kind of you to say. Thank you for ignoring my obvious ego
trip and saying these things to me. It is very nice to know one's time
and output is appreciated.

John I too have looked to your work as well, and you have pointed me
to the right place on more then one occassion. :-)

Now as to making money... :-)   I'm going to try to get on disablilty,
as I seem to be unemployable. I sometimes daydream about coding for a
living.

>
> Your domain doesn't expire until September, so I don't see what's the
> rush. I'd like to get a chance to mirror it before you destroy it, but
> I'm busy with other projects right now and can't get to it for a
> while. Could you maybe take a few deep breaths, decide you don't give
> a 5#1t about what others think of your programming abilities, and
> leave your site up for the edification  of all? If it's hosting fees
> that are causing the shutdown I can kick in a few bucks this coming
> payday, if you have a PayPal account.


Breathing deaply, as you suggest. I don't give a FivePoundOneTango (
lol 5#1t) about what others think of my programming abilities or lack
there of and will do as you say and leave the site up as long as
Charles Childers will allow. I assume this is in keeping with how
Charles feels about it as well.

Now if you really wanna help someone with cash, send it to Charles so
that he can keep affording to host these wayward forth projects. I
know he has Paypal and ususally has a donation link at his site,
somewhere.

Or heck, John, you have been hosting projects as well. Hosts should
receive. :-)

>
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> "A place for everything, and everything
> all over the place"
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[Ray St. Marie]

Hi Gwenhwyfaer.
Ray here...

On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 7:31 PM, Gwenhwyfaer <gwenhwyfaer@...> wrote:
> On 26/03/2008, Ray St. Marie <ray.stmarie@...> wrote:
> > It's been pointed out to me that I'm truely not a programmer.
>
> Ray, remember that the internet is sadly full (and, it seems, getting
> fuller) of unpleasant people who operate under the delusion that
> tearing down the work of others is as good as producing their own.
> They are wrong, and they are deeply flawed people, and your efforts
> have not at all been wasted or unwelcome.

Isn't it true. I suppose i've been pretty isolated, even after so many
many years online. I like to think that everyone is on a path to
becoming and that the deeply flawed even more so. I know that I am
deeply flawed.

Its very kind of you to say these things to me, even after such an
obviously egotistical "jumping fit" that I had. I lost by turning off
my computer for many weeks. I knew you and others had written to me...
and was at a loss as to how to proceed...

Thank you.

>
> Even if you decide not to share any of your work in public - and given
> what people are like, who can blame you? - please don't give up
> something that gives you pleasure just because someone else expresses
> disdain. After all, if everyone trying to learn their instrument gave
> up the first time someone told them to "shut that racket up", there
> would be no music...
( I'm reminded of step mom when I was an early guitarist. )  I will
continue. I suppose the re-write i'm taking about for
colorForthRay.info will be about the new colorForth2.0a.

Have you tried playing with this yet? I've been reading it all and
trying to figure out if the USB will work for me with out haveing
tried that code yet. Floppy works and the Windows version is congruent
with the native... this is a good time to be a colorCoder. :-)

>
> Regards, and best wishes
> Gwenhwyfaer
>
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Thank you again and I love that Gwenhwyfaer spelling. It's very exotic
and I assume it's Welsh? with out really knowing. Neat! :-)

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[Ray St. Marie]

Hello Nick :-) Guess who. No. It's Me. ME! you know. Ray...

On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 12:17 AM, Nick Maroudas
<alice@...> wrote:
> Quoting "Ray St. Marie" <ray.stmarie@...>:
>
> >... " It's been pointed out to me that I'm truely not
> >... " a programmer.
>

If I could turn back time...

> Dear Ray,
>
> The instant positive response by John Comeau and others
> on this thread ought to reassure you.  Your version of
> CF01 on Tim Neitz's site is packed with good things,
> and your image of Josh Grams CF05 helped me boot CF05.
> Don't let critics put you down - ColorForth is fun and
> an intellectual exercise, just the thing for keeping up
> one's spirit in illness.


You are absolutly right, Nick! Time to man up.
Oh! yeah, I've always wanted to mention to John about that MultiViewer
on Tim's CFO1-MTCF multi-tasking colorforth image... When John was
going over how to "print" colorForth text I always wanted to tell
him... Hey, John Ray here That multiviewer should give you some hints
as to how Howerd "printed" all of the characters in his Editor, but
with out all the fancy stuff. That multi-viewer is just the guts to
the print routine that would print any block just as it appears using
any of the colors or sizes of letter available to the system.  I will
do a version for cF2.0a soonest. Not able to just lift if of the one
image and put it on the other with out some... Wait... I should be
able to just transfer it over, keeping in mind that the Appelmen-Neitz
Small fonts will have more characters per block so those blocks could
be reformated to fit on reg-Fonts implementations.

>
> A similar crisis occurred in Linux: a parting between
> the "real" programmers who went soaring up into the
> stratosphere, and the less talented but equally "real"
> programmers engaged in documentation and spreading the
> word. That's how user-friendly versions like Ubuntu and
> Puppy Linux were born.  There is a wide spectrum in the
> Open Source movement.
>

This I was not aware of, and I appreciate the history lesson. Put me
under "less but real". I like to be the 'userFriendly' guy anyway. :-)
Thanks Nick.

> Every best is only a best within parameters. Here are
> some quotes:
>
> "The boy works hard but has no talent" - MichaelAngelo
> on Raphael.
>
> "A good man, pity he never learnt to be a real painter"
> - ElGreco on MichaelAngelo.
>
> "Sit we ever so high, we can only sit on our own rear
> ends" - Montaigne.
>
> Caritas,
>
> NickM
>
> *****
>
> "If a thing's worth doing, it's worth doing badly" -
> GK Chesterton.
>
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"Forgive them, Oh Lord, they know not what they do".  ( They are
unconscious, always.)

Using the original meaning of the word SIN, I fear that I have "missed
the point", gone into my unconscious, spat conditioned responses, and
forgot totally that I get to be a colorCoder. Forgot totally that I
get to be a colorCoder with you. Thank YOU Nick!

No not eunick, You, Nick. Thank you!  You remind me...

"It takes a man with a lot of "cahones"(sp?)  to stand up to himself."
-- unknown as far as I know.

"If I had no ego, I wouldn't be in this predicament." -- come on,
somebody had to have said that before me, right?

"Attention K-mart Shoppers, Wake UP! and smell the blue light special"
-- this is getting embarrassing but I can't help myself.

It goes on and on much like the same so in an effort to not continue...



Raymond St. Marie ii,
colorforthray.info
Ps: really Nick, Thank you. I play, but your words have always had weight.

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[Ray St. Marie]

Hi Jason, Ray again...


On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 1:47 AM, Jason Kemp <jason.kemp@...> wrote:
> My 6yo just asked me why I always have that "colorforthray" website open.
> 'Always' is a bit of an exaggeration, but it is often open in a tab
> somewhere for reference.
>
Hehe... Now that is just ego serving in a manner that all "Ray
colorCoder followers" should respond. Please state that you keep my
website up so often that if I dismiss it, it would hurt. Lol I hate my
ego, I sware.  :-)

Thanks Jason, Much appreciated that you said that.
Ray
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[Ray St. Marie]

Hi Charles, thanks for this, from Ray...

On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 8:31 AM, Charles Childers <crc@...> wrote:

> On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 02:10:00AM -0600, Ray St. Marie wrote:
> > It's been pointed out to me that I'm truely not a programmer. In an
> > effort to stop embarrassing myself any longer, I was hopping someone
> > would like to take over and re-write the colorForthRay.info site.
> > Charles Childers is the gracious and generous host, and really, I hope
> > Charles takes it, re-writes it and puts it under one of his good
> > domains like ForthFreak.
>
> I've mirrored the site under forthworks.com, and will setup a community
> site based on its contents by early summer. I appreciate the work you
> put into it and hope that you will continue to help support those using
> colorforth in the future, though I can understand if you choose not to.
>

Oooh, cool, what's a community site?

> > I'm truely sorry for having wasted ...


> You didn't waste my time. I've enjoyed getting to know you and wish you
> luck in your future endeavours.
>

Thank you, Charles, as I have you. Weird that we have found out so
many similar things about each other in such a short time.
BTW-- As you may or may not know... I'm one of your biggest fans and I
so appreciate the Retroforth, Toka, and now Ngaro work you are doing.
It's a brilliant Forth system and in time people will recognise it.

>
> --
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>

Ray
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