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Re: 'Save' or 'Exit' button
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I would think that Sven should consider the request for this feature
seriously. Work-arounds that require the use of some external, auxiliary program such as "Bome" or "Midi-Ox" in order to achieve some relatively straightforward jOrgan functionality only further complicate the jOrgan implementation and should be discouraged -- except as interim "quick-and-dirty" stop-gap measures for the technically adventurous. CLW ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jacques LEVY wrote: > Any button of a MIDI device sending a MIDI message will work with Bome's Midi Translator > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian S" <sweetbb@...> > To: <jorgan-user@...> > Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 2:57 PM > Subject: Re: [jOrgan-user] "Save" or "Exit" button >> Do you think one could have a physical 'stop' button that when pressed, will >> toggle full screen mode? >> amvjl wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> To toggle my touchscreen mode (full/normal) : >>> I use Classic.Bome's Midi Translator >>> I set it to create a F11 function from the MIDI message send by one key >>> of >>> a MIDI keyboard. >>> In my case, I have selected the upper keynote of my third manual. It works nice. >>> >>> If it can help wainting a Sven solution. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "grackleman" <piggwigg@...> >>> To: <jorgan-user@...> >>> Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 1:49 PM >>> Subject: [jOrgan-user] "Save" or "Exit" button > >>>> I'd like to thank Sven for creating this wonderful programme and all the >>>> others who have given such great help on this forum. >>>> Is it possible to have a "Save" or "Exit" button on the full screen display. >>>> I like to use the organ with only a touchscreen and not have a mouse or >>>> keyboard connected. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference _______________________________________________ jOrgan-user mailing list jOrgan-user@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jorgan-user |
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Re: 'Save' or 'Exit' button
by svenmeier
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Hi Lynn and all,
I totally agree that workarounds might be needed but should always be carried over to a more elegant solution. Regarding 'the feature': It's not clear to me what requirements are driving the proposed Midi message control for fullscreen/save/exit: - in windowed mode you need mouse and/or keyboard anyway, - when you exit jOrgan you will probably use mouse and/or keyboard anyway, - jOrgan has an auto-save configuration settings. Please elaborate Sven Lynn Walls wrote: > I would think that Sven should consider the request for this feature > seriously. > > Work-arounds that require the use of some external, auxiliary program such > as "Bome" or "Midi-Ox" in order to achieve some relatively straightforward > jOrgan functionality only further complicate the jOrgan implementation and > should be discouraged -- except as interim "quick-and-dirty" stop-gap > measures for the technically adventurous. > > CLW > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Jacques LEVY wrote: > >> Any button of a MIDI device sending a MIDI message will work with Bome's >> > Midi Translator > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Brian S" <sweetbb@...> >> To: <jorgan-user@...> >> Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 2:57 PM >> Subject: Re: [jOrgan-user] "Save" or "Exit" button >> > > >>> Do you think one could have a physical 'stop' button that when pressed, >>> > will > >>> toggle full screen mode? >>> > > >>> amvjl wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> To toggle my touchscreen mode (full/normal) : >>>> I use Classic.Bome's Midi Translator >>>> I set it to create a F11 function from the MIDI message send by one key >>>> of >>>> a MIDI keyboard. >>>> In my case, I have selected the upper keynote of my third manual. It >>>> > works nice. > >>>> If it can help wainting a Sven solution. >>>> > > >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "grackleman" <piggwigg@...> >>>> To: <jorgan-user@...> >>>> Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 1:49 PM >>>> Subject: [jOrgan-user] "Save" or "Exit" button >>>> >>>>> I'd like to thank Sven for creating this wonderful programme and all the >>>>> others who have given such great help on this forum. >>>>> Is it possible to have a "Save" or "Exit" button on the full screen >>>>> > display. > >>>>> I like to use the organ with only a touchscreen and not have a mouse or >>>>> keyboard connected. >>>>> > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA > is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your > developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay > ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! > http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference > _______________________________________________ > jOrgan-user mailing list > jOrgan-user@... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jorgan-user > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference _______________________________________________ jOrgan-user mailing list jOrgan-user@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jorgan-user |
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Re: 'Save' or 'Exit' button
by grackleman
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Sven Meier wrote:
> Hi Lynn and all, > > I totally agree that workarounds might be needed but should always be > carried over to a more elegant solution. > > Regarding 'the feature': > It's not clear to me what requirements are driving the proposed Midi > message control for fullscreen/save/exit: > - in windowed mode you need mouse and/or keyboard anyway, > - when you exit jOrgan you will probably use mouse and/or keyboard anyway, > - jOrgan has an auto-save configuration settings. > > Please elaborate > > Sven > > The organ is operated only with a touch screen - no mouse - no keyboard. jOrgan starts when the operating system has booted. It loads the disposition and goes into full screen mode. It would be nice to have a button on the screen that would cause jOrgan to exit (auto save the changes to the disposition). The power switch then shuts down the computer and peripheral electronics. Thanks Peter ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference _______________________________________________ jOrgan-user mailing list jOrgan-user@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jorgan-user |
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Re: 'Save' or 'Exit' button
by lwalls
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Sven,
The way Peter describes his setup is they way you would want jOrgan to behave in the operation of a true virtual organ, where the "computer" is kept as "hidden" as possible from the user/performer. However, I DO NOT like the part of Peter's setup where he says "the power switch then shuts down the computer..." This is bad form. A Windows-based computer should never be powered off "hot". A better way would be to embed the jOrgan auto-startup in a script that automatically puts the computer into power-off shutdown cycle upon the termination of the jOrgan program (which would, of course, be initiated by those "Exit" or "Save and Exit" buttons that Peter is requesting. A Windows/XP system (and probably Vista and Win/7 as well) may be forced to enter shutdown mode by simply executing the command line: %windir%\system32\shutdown.exe -s -t 10 in a command script (.bat file). [The 10 can be any number you choose. It is just the number of seconds to want the shutdown.exe program to wait before it starts the shutdown cycle. This can give you enough time to abort the shutdown if you don't really want it to shut down.] One step further, regarding the shutdown of the "peripheral electronics"...the computer could be plugged into one of those "smart" power strips which can detect when the computer actually powers down, and then automatically powers off the other power outlets on the strip. CLW ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Peter Gillespie wrote: > Sven Meier wrote: >> Hi Lynn and all, >> >> I totally agree that workarounds might be needed but should always be >> carried over to a more elegant solution. >> >> Regarding 'the feature': >> It's not clear to me what requirements are driving the proposed Midi >> message control for fullscreen/save/exit: >> - in windowed mode you need mouse and/or keyboard anyway, >> - when you exit jOrgan you will probably use mouse and/or keyboard anyway, >> - jOrgan has an auto-save configuration settings. >> >> Please elaborate >> >> Sven >> >> > Hi Sven > The organ is operated only with a touch screen - no mouse - no keyboard. > jOrgan starts when the operating system has booted. It loads the > disposition and goes into full screen mode. > It would be nice to have a button on the screen that would cause jOrgan > to exit (auto save the changes to the disposition). The power switch > then shuts down the computer and peripheral electronics. > Thanks > Peter > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA > is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your > developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay > ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! > http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference > _______________________________________________ > jOrgan-user mailing list > jOrgan-user@... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jorgan-user > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference _______________________________________________ jOrgan-user mailing list jOrgan-user@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jorgan-user |
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Re: 'Save' or 'Exit' button
by Roy Radford
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------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference _______________________________________________ jOrgan-user mailing list jOrgan-user@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jorgan-user |
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Re: 'Save' or 'Exit' button
by grackleman
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Lynn Walls wrote:
> Sven, > > The way Peter describes his setup is they way you would want jOrgan to > behave in the operation of a true virtual organ, where the "computer" is > kept as "hidden" as possible from the user/performer. > > However, I DO NOT like the part of Peter's setup where he says "the > power switch then shuts down the computer..." > > This is bad form. A Windows-based computer should never be powered off > "hot". A better way would be to embed the jOrgan auto-startup in a > script that automatically puts the computer into power-off shutdown > cycle upon the termination of the jOrgan program (which would, of > course, be initiated by those "Exit" or "Save and Exit" buttons that > Peter is requesting. A Windows/XP system (and probably Vista and Win/7 > as well) may be forced to enter shutdown mode by simply executing the > command line: > > %windir%\system32\shutdown.exe -s -t 10 > > in a command script (.bat file). [The 10 can be any number you choose. > It is just the number of seconds to want the shutdown.exe program to > wait before it starts the shutdown cycle. This can give you enough time > to abort the shutdown if you don't really want it to shut down.] > > One step further, regarding the shutdown of the "peripheral > electronics"...the computer could be plugged into one of those "smart" > power strips which can detect when the computer actually powers down, > and then automatically powers off the other power outlets on the strip. > > CLW > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Thanks for your replies. I know you are correct about proper power down. The computer is not running windows (I wouldn't dare shut off a windows computer by powering down. I've never experienced any problem with the computer simply being turned off. I do shut my desktop machine down properly though. The organ, however, seems to be fine just turning off the power. My area must have aging switchgear because quite frequently I hear a 'boom' and the power goes out for about a second and comes back on. Occasionally a pole-pig blows. The computer just powers back up like normal - never seems to slow down with use or improper shut down procedure. Once we have an "exit" button then the idea of a script to shut down the OS is a good idea. Thanks Peter ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference _______________________________________________ jOrgan-user mailing list jOrgan-user@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jorgan-user |
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Re: 'Save' or 'Exit' button
by amvjl
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Hi Sven and all,
In my opinion, using a touchscreen, only ONE feature is necessary : The possibility to QUIT the FULLSCREEN mode. When you are back in normal mode, you have direct access from your touchscreen to the other needed functions : File -> Save or Exit (Nb : Exit will ask you if you want to save !) View -> Full screen It seems to me that the only users concerned by this feature are those having their mouse and keyboard not reachable from their organ bench. As far as I am concerned, I have my complete PC (with standard screen, keyboard and mouse) on my desk and I have a touchscreen on my organ about 2m apart. My standard and touch screens are connected to the PC with a separator and then are displaying the same way. When I am playing organ, I have to quit the Fullscreen mode most often to change dispositions (ex : CavailleColl to play Franck, Silbermann to play Bach, ...) ... I cannot imagine a PC with no keyboard ! How to Customize, Save as, Load new dispositions, upgrade to a new jOrgan version .... But I easily understand that you do not want to have your keyboard and mouse permanently integrated to your organ. Nb : most new PC use now wireless keyboard and mouse ... very easy to move ... Just my personal experience :-) Jacques ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sven Meier" <sven@...> To: <jorgan-user@...> Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 10:38 PM Subject: Re: [jOrgan-user] 'Save' or 'Exit' button > Hi Lynn and all, > > I totally agree that workarounds might be needed but should always be > carried over to a more elegant solution. > > Regarding 'the feature': > It's not clear to me what requirements are driving the proposed Midi > message control for fullscreen/save/exit: > - in windowed mode you need mouse and/or keyboard anyway, > - when you exit jOrgan you will probably use mouse and/or keyboard anyway, > - jOrgan has an auto-save configuration settings. > > Please elaborate > > Sven > > Lynn Walls wrote: >> I would think that Sven should consider the request for this feature >> seriously. >> >> Work-arounds that require the use of some external, auxiliary program >> such >> as "Bome" or "Midi-Ox" in order to achieve some relatively >> straightforward >> jOrgan functionality only further complicate the jOrgan implementation >> and >> should be discouraged -- except as interim "quick-and-dirty" stop-gap >> measures for the technically adventurous. >> >> CLW >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> Jacques LEVY wrote: >> >>> Any button of a MIDI device sending a MIDI message will work with Bome's >>> >> Midi Translator >> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Brian S" <sweetbb@...> >>> To: <jorgan-user@...> >>> Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 2:57 PM >>> Subject: Re: [jOrgan-user] "Save" or "Exit" button >>> >> >> >>>> Do you think one could have a physical 'stop' button that when pressed, >>>> >> will >> >>>> toggle full screen mode? >>>> >> >> >>>> amvjl wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> To toggle my touchscreen mode (full/normal) : >>>>> I use Classic.Bome's Midi Translator >>>>> I set it to create a F11 function from the MIDI message send by one >>>>> key >>>>> of >>>>> a MIDI keyboard. >>>>> In my case, I have selected the upper keynote of my third manual. It >>>>> >> works nice. >> >>>>> If it can help wainting a Sven solution. >>>>> >> >> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "grackleman" <piggwigg@...> >>>>> To: <jorgan-user@...> >>>>> Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 1:49 PM >>>>> Subject: [jOrgan-user] "Save" or "Exit" button >>>>> >>>>>> I'd like to thank Sven for creating this wonderful programme and all >>>>>> the >>>>>> others who have given such great help on this forum. >>>>>> Is it possible to have a "Save" or "Exit" button on the full screen >>>>>> >> display. >> >>>>>> I like to use the organ with only a touchscreen and not have a mouse >>>>>> or >>>>>> keyboard connected. >>>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA >> is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your >> developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay >> ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! >> http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference >> _______________________________________________ >> jOrgan-user mailing list >> jOrgan-user@... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jorgan-user >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA > is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your > developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay > ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! > http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference > _______________________________________________ > jOrgan-user mailing list > jOrgan-user@... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jorgan-user ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference _______________________________________________ jOrgan-user mailing list jOrgan-user@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jorgan-user |
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Re: 'Save' or 'Exit' button
by lwalls
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Use Windows Explorer to locate the "Startup" folder:
My Computer Local Disk (C:) Documents and Settings All Users Start Menu Programs Startup Then use a text editor like Notepad to create a text file named "jorgan.bat" in this startup folder. This jorgan.bat text file should contain two lines that look something like this: ======================================================================== %windir%\system32\java.exe -jar "[path to jorgan.jar]\jorgan.jar" "[path to your jorgan disposition file]\your-jorgan.disposition" %windir%\system32\shutdown.exe -s -t 10 ======================================================================== By being in the startup folder, this jorgan.bat file will be run automatically at Windows startup. The first line in the file will start jOrgan an have it open the indicated disposition file specified as the leftmost command line argument. The second line will run the shutdown program when jOrgan terminates. CLW --------------------------------------------------------------------- Roy Radford wrote: > Nor, for that matter, would I know how to make jOrgan start at > power-up.Could you enlighten me, please. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference _______________________________________________ jOrgan-user mailing list jOrgan-user@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jorgan-user |
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Re: 'Save' or 'Exit' button
by lwalls
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Jacques,
I think Peter is interested in having a Virtual Organ -- not a computer. The fact that a computer is involved is an inconvenient, albeit necessary, technical requirement. The Virtual Organ is the important object, and the less that the computer is evident to the organist, the better! An organist wants to press ONE button to shut down everything. He does NOT want to... 1. Press One button to get out of full screen mode; 2. Locate the place on the resulting screen where the program close icon is located; 3. Press on that icon to make jOrgan close; 4. Locate the "Start" button on the desktop and press it to bring up the start menu; 5. Locate and press the "shutdown" or "Turn off the computer..." option; 6. Confirm the shutdown by pressing the "Turn off" icon from the dialog box that pops up. CLW ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jacques LEVY wrote: > I cannot imagine a PC with no keyboard ! How to Customize, Save as, Load > new dispositions, upgrade to a new jOrgan version .... > But I easily understand that you do not want to have your keyboard and mouse > permanently integrated to your organ. > Nb : most new PC use now wireless keyboard and mouse ... very easy to move > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sven Meier" <sven@...> > To: <jorgan-user@...> > Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 10:38 PM > Subject: Re: [jOrgan-user] 'Save' or 'Exit' button > > >> Hi Lynn and all, >> >> I totally agree that workarounds might be needed but should always be >> carried over to a more elegant solution. >> >> Regarding 'the feature': >> It's not clear to me what requirements are driving the proposed Midi >> message control for fullscreen/save/exit: >> - in windowed mode you need mouse and/or keyboard anyway, >> - when you exit jOrgan you will probably use mouse and/or keyboard anyway, >> - jOrgan has an auto-save configuration settings. >> >> Please elaborate >> >> Sven >> >> Lynn Walls wrote: >>> I would think that Sven should consider the request for this feature >>> seriously. >>> >>> Work-arounds that require the use of some external, auxiliary program >>> such >>> as "Bome" or "Midi-Ox" in order to achieve some relatively >>> straightforward >>> jOrgan functionality only further complicate the jOrgan implementation >>> and >>> should be discouraged -- except as interim "quick-and-dirty" stop-gap >>> measures for the technically adventurous. >>> >>> CLW >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> >>> Jacques LEVY wrote: >>> >>>> Any button of a MIDI device sending a MIDI message will work with Bome's >>>> >>> Midi Translator >>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Brian S" <sweetbb@...> >>>> To: <jorgan-user@...> >>>> Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 2:57 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [jOrgan-user] "Save" or "Exit" button >>>> >>> >>>>> Do you think one could have a physical 'stop' button that when pressed, >>>>> >>> will >>> >>>>> toggle full screen mode? >>>>> >>> >>>>> amvjl wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> To toggle my touchscreen mode (full/normal) : >>>>>> I use Classic.Bome's Midi Translator >>>>>> I set it to create a F11 function from the MIDI message send by one >>>>>> key >>>>>> of >>>>>> a MIDI keyboard. >>>>>> In my case, I have selected the upper keynote of my third manual. It >>>>>> >>> works nice. >>> >>>>>> If it can help wainting a Sven solution. >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "grackleman" <piggwigg@...> >>>>>> To: <jorgan-user@...> >>>>>> Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 1:49 PM >>>>>> Subject: [jOrgan-user] "Save" or "Exit" button >>>>>> >>>>>>> I'd like to thank Sven for creating this wonderful programme and all >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> others who have given such great help on this forum. >>>>>>> Is it possible to have a "Save" or "Exit" button on the full screen >>>>>>> >>> display. >>> >>>>>>> I like to use the organ with only a touchscreen and not have a mouse >>>>>>> or >>>>>>> keyboard connected. >>>>>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA >>> is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your >>> developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay >>> ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! >>> http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference >>> _______________________________________________ >>> jOrgan-user mailing list >>> jOrgan-user@... >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jorgan-user >>> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA >> is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your >> developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay >> ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! >> http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference >> _______________________________________________ >> jOrgan-user mailing list >> jOrgan-user@... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jorgan-user > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA > is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your > developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay > ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! > http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference > _______________________________________________ > jOrgan-user mailing list > jOrgan-user@... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jorgan-user > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference _______________________________________________ jOrgan-user mailing list jOrgan-user@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jorgan-user |
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Re: 'Save' or 'Exit' button
by Roy Radford
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------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference _______________________________________________ jOrgan-user mailing list jOrgan-user@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jorgan-user |
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Re: 'Save' or 'Exit' button
by amvjl
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Hi Lynn and all,
Nice tip to 'Startup' and 'Exit' Thanks My question is : Is it not a kind of a shame to use jOrgan with only one disposition ? Above all, when we now have so amazing classical or theatre organs, Hammond, harpsichords .... Just a personal reflection :-) Jacques ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Walls" <lwalls@...> To: <jorgan-user@...> Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 12:33 AM Subject: Re: [jOrgan-user] 'Save' or 'Exit' button > Use Windows Explorer to locate the "Startup" folder: > > My Computer > Local Disk (C:) > Documents and Settings > All Users > Start Menu > Programs > Startup > > Then use a text editor like Notepad to create a text file named > "jorgan.bat" in this startup folder. This jorgan.bat text file should > contain two lines that look something like this: > > ======================================================================== > %windir%\system32\java.exe -jar "[path to jorgan.jar]\jorgan.jar" "[path > to your jorgan disposition file]\your-jorgan.disposition" > > %windir%\system32\shutdown.exe -s -t 10 > > ======================================================================== > > By being in the startup folder, this jorgan.bat file will be run > automatically at Windows startup. > > The first line in the file will start jOrgan an have it open the > indicated disposition file specified as the leftmost command line > argument. > > The second line will run the shutdown program when jOrgan terminates. > > CLW > --------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference _______________________________________________ jOrgan-user mailing list jOrgan-user@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jorgan-user |
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Re: 'Save' or 'Exit' button
by Pete Theisen
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Lynn Walls wrote:
> Jacques, > > I think Peter is interested in having a Virtual Organ -- not a computer. > The fact that a computer is involved is an inconvenient, albeit > necessary, technical requirement. The Virtual Organ is the important > object, and the less that the computer is evident to the organist, the > better! > > An organist wants to press ONE button to shut down everything. Hi Lynn, Graham G. Has a Puppy/jOrgan set-up for that. Doesn't even have a monitor, keyboard and mouse - just your usual Organ keys and controlls. -- Regards, Pete http://pete-theisen.com/ http://elect-pete-theisen.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference _______________________________________________ jOrgan-user mailing list jOrgan-user@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jorgan-user |
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Re: 'Save' or 'Exit' button
by amvjl
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Lynn,
You are right. In this case, Sven should make an 'Exit' button with automatic save, without asking. I am correct ? Jacques ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Walls" <lwalls@...> To: <jorgan-user@...> Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 12:45 AM Subject: Re: [jOrgan-user] 'Save' or 'Exit' button > Jacques, > > I think Peter is interested in having a Virtual Organ -- not a computer. > The fact that a computer is involved is an inconvenient, albeit > necessary, technical requirement. The Virtual Organ is the important > object, and the less that the computer is evident to the organist, the > better! > > An organist wants to press ONE button to shut down everything. He does > NOT want to... > 1. Press One button to get out of full screen mode; > 2. Locate the place on the resulting screen where the program close > icon is located; > 3. Press on that icon to make jOrgan close; > 4. Locate the "Start" button on the desktop and press it to bring > up the start menu; > 5. Locate and press the "shutdown" or "Turn off the computer..." > option; > 6. Confirm the shutdown by pressing the "Turn off" icon from the > dialog box that pops up. > > CLW ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference _______________________________________________ jOrgan-user mailing list jOrgan-user@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jorgan-user |
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Re: 'Save' or 'Exit' button
by grackleman
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Hi Jacques and Lynn and allHi Lynn and all, Nice tip to 'Startup' and 'Exit' Thanks My question is : Is it not a kind of a shame to use jOrgan with only one disposition ? Above all, when we now have so amazing classical or theatre organs, Hammond, harpsichords .... Just a personal reflection :-) Jacques ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Walls" lwalls@... To: jorgan-user@... Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 12:33 AM Subject: Re: [jOrgan-user] 'Save' or 'Exit' button Jacques - this use of jOrgan is restricted to one disposition because it is an add-on to the pipe organ. The stops were very carefully selected to match and enhance the existing pipe work. No matter how wonderful Cavaille-Coll is (I cherish my 'Marcel Dupre at Saint-Sulpice' recordings), it doesn't quite 'fit' with fat old Willis pipes for instance. If it were a stand alone virtual organ then it's great to have many dispositions. Lynn - you've hit the nail on the head. The organ is available for others to play and that is why I'd like it to be as much of a 'turn-on' 'turn-off' operation as possible. I'd like to have access to the 'guts' of jOrgan and the OS restricted as much as possible - just to be safe. jOrgan will save the changes to the disposition when exiting without asking. The changes will only be things like stop selection and combinations as one does on the pipe organ. When I wish to make changes of course I'll plug in a keyboard and mouse. Even experienced organists have had trouble telling whether the sound they're hearing is jOrgan or pipe (playing single notes - not ensemble). With quality samples the sound is amazing. Peter ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference _______________________________________________ jOrgan-user mailing list jOrgan-user@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jorgan-user |
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Re: 'Save' or 'Exit' button
by lwalls
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Yes...but in terms of saving or not saving, jOrgan ALREADY goes one step
further: in the jOrgan "Configuration..." screen, under "Appearance", you may specify how Disposition changes are to be handled at jOrgan shutdown by selecting one of the following options: - Confirm (ask user if he want to save changes) - Save automatically (don't ask...just save automatically) - Discard (don't ask...just discard any changes) CLW ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jacques LEVY wrote: > You are right. > > In this case, Sven should make an 'Exit' button with automatic save, without > asking. > I am correct ? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lynn Walls" <lwalls@...> > To: <jorgan-user@...> > Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 12:45 AM > Subject: Re: [jOrgan-user] 'Save' or 'Exit' button >> I think Peter is interested in having a Virtual Organ -- not a computer. >> The fact that a computer is involved is an inconvenient, albeit >> necessary, technical requirement. The Virtual Organ is the important >> object, and the less that the computer is evident to the organist, the >> better! >> >> An organist wants to press ONE button to shut down everything. He does >> NOT want to... >> 1. Press One button to get out of full screen mode; >> 2. Locate the place on the resulting screen where the program close >> icon is located; >> 3. Press on that icon to make jOrgan close; >> 4. Locate the "Start" button on the desktop and press it to bring >> up the start menu; >> 5. Locate and press the "shutdown" or "Turn off the computer..." >> option; >> 6. Confirm the shutdown by pressing the "Turn off" icon from the >> dialog box that pops up. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference _______________________________________________ jOrgan-user mailing list jOrgan-user@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jorgan-user |
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Re: 'Save' or 'Exit' button
by amvjl
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Hi Peter,
Thanks for your explanations.
It makes more sense when the problem appears in its
context.
You are very lucky to have real pipes and can mix
them with virtual ones.
I think it is a rare configuration !
I am absolutly impressed when you write that
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"Even experienced organists have had trouble telling whether the sound
they're hearing is jOrgan or pipe (playing single notes - not ensemble). With
quality samples the sound is amazing."
Wonderful !
Jacques
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Re: 'Save' or 'Exit' button
by Brian S
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Hi Lynn,
when I start up my organ I have the following buttons to press: 1. Start computer 2. Power up 3 console amplifiers, 1 button each. 3. Powerup 2 manuals. 4. Power up the pedalboard 5. Power up the console and pedal lights, 2 switches. Total number of switches: 9 I wish there was a solution that could power up everything with just one single switch. Brian South Africa.
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Brian
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Re: 'Save' or 'Exit' button
by Pete Theisen
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Brian S wrote:
> Hi Lynn, > > when I start up my organ I have the following buttons to press: > > 1. Start computer > 2. Power up 3 console amplifiers, 1 button each. > 3. Powerup 2 manuals. > 4. Power up the pedalboard > 5. Power up the console and pedal lights, 2 switches. > Total number of switches: 9 > > I wish there was a solution that could power up everything with just one > single switch. Hi Brian, Would a power relay do it? Or maybe a gang switch. Or a couple of spike strips? Plug one into the other, leave the second one on and use the switch of the first one? I have something like that last on my console. I have an extension cord led up to the stopjamb with a toggle switch wired into the "hot" side. When I throw the switch two spike strips that are already switched on get power. Turns everything on. Still have to hit the start button to the computer power supply. The top keyboard also has to be turned on and the volume adjusted. -- Regards, Pete http://pete-theisen.com/ http://elect-pete-theisen.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference _______________________________________________ jOrgan-user mailing list jOrgan-user@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jorgan-user |
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Re: 'Save' or 'Exit' button
by Bernd Casper
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Hi Sven,
for every purpose I can imagine, I'd suggest just to fix-connect the "ESC" key to shutdown jOrgan, autosaving the current configuration. So easily every skin element with a programmable key could be the exit button, no matter which mode jOrgan is performing or if the user has mouse/keyboard connected. Regards Bernd. Zitat von Sven Meier <sven@...>: > Hi Lynn and all, > > I totally agree that workarounds might be needed but should always be > carried over to a more elegant solution. > > Regarding 'the feature': > It's not clear to me what requirements are driving the proposed Midi > message control for fullscreen/save/exit: > - in windowed mode you need mouse and/or keyboard anyway, > - when you exit jOrgan you will probably use mouse and/or keyboard anyway, > - jOrgan has an auto-save configuration settings. > > Please elaborate > > Sven > > Lynn Walls wrote: >> I would think that Sven should consider the request for this feature >> seriously. >> >> Work-arounds that require the use of some external, auxiliary program such >> as "Bome" or "Midi-Ox" in order to achieve some relatively straightforward >> jOrgan functionality only further complicate the jOrgan implementation and >> should be discouraged -- except as interim "quick-and-dirty" stop-gap >> measures for the technically adventurous. >> >> CLW >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> Jacques LEVY wrote: >> >>> Any button of a MIDI device sending a MIDI message will work with Bome's >>> >> Midi Translator >> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Brian S" <sweetbb@...> >>> To: <jorgan-user@...> >>> Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 2:57 PM >>> Subject: Re: [jOrgan-user] "Save" or "Exit" button >>> >> >> >>>> Do you think one could have a physical 'stop' button that when >>>> >> will >> >>>> toggle full screen mode? >>>> >> >> >>>> amvjl wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> To toggle my touchscreen mode (full/normal) : >>>>> I use Classic.Bome's Midi Translator >>>>> I set it to create a F11 function from the MIDI message send by >>>>> of >>>>> a MIDI keyboard. >>>>> In my case, I have selected the upper keynote of my third manual. It >>>>> >> works nice. >> >>>>> If it can help wainting a Sven solution. >>>>> >> >> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "grackleman" <piggwigg@...> >>>>> To: <jorgan-user@...> >>>>> Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 1:49 PM >>>>> Subject: [jOrgan-user] "Save" or "Exit" button >>>>> >>>>>> I'd like to thank Sven for creating this wonderful programme >>>>>> others who have given such great help on this forum. >>>>>> Is it possible to have a "Save" or "Exit" button on the full screen >>>>>> >> display. >> >>>>>> I like to use the organ with only a touchscreen and not have a mouse or >>>>>> keyboard connected. >>>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA >> is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your >> developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay >> ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! >> http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference >> _______________________________________________ >> jOrgan-user mailing list >> jOrgan-user@... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jorgan-user >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA > is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your > developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay > ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! > http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference > _______________________________________________ > jOrgan-user mailing list > jOrgan-user@... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jorgan-user > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference _______________________________________________ jOrgan-user mailing list jOrgan-user@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jorgan-user |
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Re: 'Save' or 'Exit' button
by amvjl
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Hi Bernd,
No sir, I am sorry ! "ESC" key cannot be the solution. How could you press it if you have no keyboard available (Peter case) or reachable (my case) ? Jacques ----- Original Message ----- From: <bernd@...> To: <jorgan-user@...> Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [jOrgan-user] 'Save' or 'Exit' button > Hi Sven, > for every purpose I can imagine, I'd suggest just to fix-connect the > "ESC" key to shutdown jOrgan, autosaving the current configuration. So > easily every skin element with a programmable key could be the exit > button, no matter which mode jOrgan is performing or if the user has > mouse/keyboard connected. > Regards > Bernd. > > > > > Zitat von Sven Meier <sven@...>: > >> Hi Lynn and all, >> >> I totally agree that workarounds might be needed but should always > be >> carried over to a more elegant solution. >> >> Regarding 'the feature': >> It's not clear to me what requirements are driving the proposed Midi >> message control for fullscreen/save/exit: >> - in windowed mode you need mouse and/or keyboard anyway, >> - when you exit jOrgan you will probably use mouse and/or keyboard > anyway, >> - jOrgan has an auto-save configuration settings. >> >> Please elaborate >> >> Sven >> >> Lynn Walls wrote: >>> I would think that Sven should consider the request for this > feature >>> seriously. >>> >>> Work-arounds that require the use of some external, auxiliary > program such >>> as "Bome" or "Midi-Ox" in order to achieve some relatively > straightforward >>> jOrgan functionality only further complicate the jOrgan > implementation and >>> should be discouraged -- except as interim "quick-and-dirty" > stop-gap >>> measures for the technically adventurous. >>> >>> CLW >>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> >>> Jacques LEVY wrote: >>> >>>> Any button of a MIDI device sending a MIDI message will work with > Bome's >>>> >>> Midi Translator >>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Brian S" <sweetbb@...> >>>> To: <jorgan-user@...> >>>> Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 2:57 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [jOrgan-user] "Save" or "Exit" button >>>> >>> >>> >>>>> Do you think one could have a physical 'stop' button that when > pressed, >>>>> >>> will >>> >>>>> toggle full screen mode? >>>>> >>> >>> >>>>> amvjl wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> To toggle my touchscreen mode (full/normal) : >>>>>> I use Classic.Bome's Midi Translator >>>>>> I set it to create a F11 function from the MIDI message send by > one key >>>>>> of >>>>>> a MIDI keyboard. >>>>>> In my case, I have selected the upper keynote of my third > manual. It >>>>>> >>> works nice. >>> >>>>>> If it can help wainting a Sven solution. >>>>>> >>> >>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "grackleman" <piggwigg@...> >>>>>> To: <jorgan-user@...> >>>>>> Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 1:49 PM >>>>>> Subject: [jOrgan-user] "Save" or "Exit" button >>>>>> >>>>>>> I'd like to thank Sven for creating this wonderful programme > and all the >>>>>>> others who have given such great help on this forum. >>>>>>> Is it possible to have a "Save" or "Exit" button on the full > screen >>>>>>> >>> display. >>> >>>>>>> I like to use the organ with only a touchscreen and not have a > mouse or >>>>>>> keyboard connected. >>>>>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, > CA >>> is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart > your >>> developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market > and stay >>> ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register > now! >>> http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference >>> _______________________________________________ >>> jOrgan-user mailing list >>> jOrgan-user@... >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jorgan-user >>> >> >> >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA >> is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart > your >> developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and > stay >> ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. 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