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On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 2:35 PM, hindemith5 <glade@...> wrote:
>> Do you think we need a resource that collects the best practices and
>> patterns probably pointing to specific books for further reference?
>
> Yes, making such resources available would allow LTA/HTA airship
> enthusiasts at all levels to design and experiment more productively.
Awesome that you think so too. I will set up a Wiki on Airshipworld
that we can use to start compiling stuff.
>
>
>> Do we need an Airship Development Software tool that helps us design
>> airships in a computer aided design approach to have an integrated
>> development environment....if you would be willing to contribute.
>> The Development model should be collaborative and the software or
>> resources and artifacts produced should be available for free as
>> opensource so that everyone can use them enhance them and modify >them.
>
> I really like the idea of an open source software for simulating
> airships, since effects such as "apparent mass" that are important for
> airship design are not always intuitive.
Cool So let's do it. I believe we can create something. As Development
Language I suggest Java, just because it's platform independendt and
you can even develop in Groovy, Ruby, Python, Scala, Prolog and put
that stuff directly into the Java programms.
>
> I am a graduate student at MIT, and could possily find information from:
> Materials department -- composite materials models;
> Ocean Engineering department -- hydrodynamic models taking into
> account fluid drag and inertia forces, buoyancy, weight, mass inertia,
> and elastic forces;
> Aerospace department -- aerodynamic lift models
> Earth & atmostpheric science department -- weather patterns
That would be awesome, it would be cool if we could connect to those
deparments, and maybe interest students to contribute maybe as part of
their thesis or a project !?
> It may even be worth starting a global club around this topic, named
> something like OpenAirWare. Any ideas about how to obtain funding for
> such an effort?
I don't have any direct sources and I think we first have to outline
our plan and start producing something, then get Universities and
Companies involved who can get a benefit from the Project. Then we can
approach Google or other large Organisations for Funding. The
bootstrap has to be done on a shoestring budget. But webspace and dev
environment are free so it costs only time and idealism right now ;-)
>> Let me know what you think I could envision specialized versions for
>> designing remote controlled airships and passenger airships.
>
> It may be worthwhile to try to leverage the free Google SketchUp
> software for 3D design and visualization, as programs such as
> SolidWorks are very expensive for non-professionals.
Yes I have thought about Google SketchUp and there is probably a lot
of other stuff that we can leverage. I am even thinking about using
the Havok Physics Engine which is available for free from
http://www.havok.com/content/view/17/30/ this could give us a good
start.
As Platform I would suggest the Eclipse Rich Client Platform for its
high quality and the good framework it provides.
So the Idea is there who is interested to contribute.
Let everyone know. Let's build our own Airship CAD&IDE. (Computer
Aided Design&Integrated Development Environment)
Regards
Andreas
>
> Best,
>
> Forrest Liau
>
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On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 2:35 PM, hindemith5 <glade@...> wrote:
>> Do you think we need a resource that collects the best practices and
>> patterns probably pointing to specific books for further reference?
>
> Yes, making such resources available would allow LTA/HTA airship
> enthusiasts at all levels to design and experiment more productively.
Awesome that you think so too. I will set up a Wiki on Airshipworld
that we can use to start compiling stuff.
>
>
>> Do we need an Airship Development Software tool that helps us design
>> airships in a computer aided design approach to have an integrated
>> development environment....if you would be willing to contribute.
>> The Development model should be collaborative and the software or
>> resources and artifacts produced should be available for free as
>> opensource so that everyone can use them enhance them and modify >them.
>
> I really like the idea of an open source software for simulating
> airships, since effects such as "apparent mass" that are important for
> airship design are not always intuitive.
Cool So let's do it. I believe we can create something. As Development
Language I suggest Java, just because it's platform independendt and
you can even develop in Groovy, Ruby, Python, Scala, Prolog and put
that stuff directly into the Java programms.
>
> I am a graduate student at MIT, and could possily find information from:
> Materials department -- composite materials models;
> Ocean Engineering department -- hydrodynamic models taking into
> account fluid drag and inertia forces, buoyancy, weight, mass inertia,
> and elastic forces;
> Aerospace department -- aerodynamic lift models
> Earth & atmostpheric science department -- weather patterns
That would be awesome, it would be cool if we could connect to those
deparments, and maybe interest students to contribute maybe as part of
their thesis or a project !?
> It may even be worth starting a global club around this topic, named
> something like OpenAirWare. Any ideas about how to obtain funding for
> such an effort?
I don't have any direct sources and I think we first have to outline
our plan and start producing something, then get Universities and
Companies involved who can get a benefit from the Project. Then we can
approach Google or other large Organisations for Funding. The
bootstrap has to be done on a shoestring budget. But webspace and dev
environment are free so it costs only time and idealism right now ;-)
>> Let me know what you think I could envision specialized versions for
>> designing remote controlled airships and passenger airships.
>
> It may be worthwhile to try to leverage the free Google SketchUp
> software for 3D design and visualization, as programs such as
> SolidWorks are very expensive for non-professionals.
Yes I have thought about Google SketchUp and there is probably a lot
of other stuff that we can leverage. I am even thinking about using
the Havok Physics Engine which is available for free from
http://www.havok.com/content/view/17/30/ this could give us a good
start.
As Platform I would suggest the Eclipse Rich Client Platform for its
high quality and the good framework it provides.
So the Idea is there who is interested to contribute.
Let everyone know. Let's build our own Airship CAD&IDE. (Computer
Aided Design&Integrated Development Environment)
Regards
Andreas
>
> Best,
>
> Forrest Liau
>
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> Recent Activity
>
> 2
> New Members
>
> Visit Your Group
> Yahoo! News
>
> Get it all here
>
> Breaking news to
>
> entertainment news
>
> Ads on Yahoo!
>
> Learn more now.
>
> Reach customers
>
> searching for you.
>
> Yahoo! Finance
>
> It's Now Personal
>
> Guides, news,
>
> advice & more.
>
> .
> __,_._,___
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