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by Norman Franke-2
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I've had periodic lockups as well. I generally suspect memory leaks
and it's doing a garbage collection. I usually restart Eclipse when
this happens, and my problems go away. However, I have to leave it
running for weeks for this to happen. I've never had it crash. I'd add
that it's updater mechanism, while getting better, still needs some
work, and various updated mess stuff up. The latest J2EE perspective
seems rather brain dead, hiding new files and refusing to refresh.
Previous version't wouldn't sort new file properly, instead placing
them in a random place. I've since moved back to the plain old Java
perspective. All in all, I've been pretty happy with it.
Norman Franke
Answering Service for Directors, Inc.
www.myasd.com
On Jul 2, 2009, at 9:03 PM, Craig St. Jean wrote:
> I haven't had Eclipse (or products based on it) crash in a LONG
> time. I do
> however have it lock up for a couple minutes at a time several times
> a day.
> Incredibly frustrating when you have unsaved files.
>
> I remember I was using Eclipse 3.2 a couple of years ago and I timed
> it as
> being locked up for literally 16 minutes, as I was trying to do a save
> all... (though now its almost always less than 3 minutes)
>
> On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 6:54 PM, Angelo Chen <angelochen960@...
> >wrote:
>
>>
>> I got two reasons not using Eclipse:
>>
>> 1) crashes, it just simply crashed even sitting there, probably it's
>> getting
>> better now.
>> 2) don't know what to download, so many versions out there, and
>> never find
>> out which one is correct for me, in front of Eclipse I'm really a
>> newbie:)
>>
>> angelo
>>
>>
>> Christian Edward Gruber-2 wrote:
>>>
>>> I agree - I bounce back and forth as well, quite commonly. I'm
>>> encouraged by Eclipse 3.5 for reasons you cite, but it's
>>> frustrating. Every-so-often I seriously consider just a text
>>> editor
>>> and command-line, but things like re-factoring tools, etc, usually
>>> bring me back.
>>>
>>> I'll tell you though, the one that gives me a NeXT-style
>>> InterfaceBuilder work-alike for Swing or SWT will probably win for
>>> me. (And if someone let me build tapestry code that way... drag and
>>> drop GUIs... I'd definitely pay for that privilege)
>>>
>>> Christian
>>>
>>> On Jul 2, 2009, at 4:30 PM, Howard wrote:
>>>
>>>> I seem to be caught between two IDEs: Eclipse and IntelliJ. I
>>>> abandoned
>>>> Eclipse a couple of years back, partly based on wide spread
>>>> recommendations from many different people, and partly because
>>>> Eclipse
>>>> just stopped working for me (it crashed out).
>>>> After I got started with IntelliJ I started to appreciate its
>>>> merits,
>>>> despite a generally clunky interface (with lots of modal windows),
>>>> truly awful documentation. Many things are streamlined and only a
>>>> ctrl-alt-shift-coke-bottle-touch-your-nose away.
>>>> However, over time, using IntelliJ got slower and slower and
>>>> slower.
>>>> It
>>>> also started running the Tapestry test suite horrifically slowly:
>>>> 40
>>>> minutes and up (it should be about five). It would often go away,
>>>> even
>>>> when memory wasn't tight. Indexing? Checking Repositories?
>>>> Computing
>>>> primes? No way to tell.
>>>> Meanwhile, Eclipse has been moving forward, with Eclipse Galileo
>>>> being
>>>> a Cocoa (not a Carbon) application. Critical plugins such as
>>>> M2Eclipse
>>>> have gotten nice, and the Clojure plugin is mostly better than the
>>>> IntelliJ one (though both are very early).
>>>> For a while I was using IntelliJ when teaching Tapestry (as part of
>>>> the
>>>> VMWare image I use when training) ... and I got a lot of
>>>> resistance.
>>>> People were much happier with Eclipse on the last couple of go-
>>>> rounds,
>>>> and I'm sticking with it.
>>>> Overall, I'm feeling that most of what I've grown used to in
>>>> IntelliJ
>>>> is present in Eclipse, just handled a bit differently. The Clojure
>>>> plugins are a wash; IntelliJ has the edge on the Git plugin. I
>>>> think
>>>> Subversion inside Eclipse is actually better.
>>>> I've even cranked up NetBeans but didn't find anything there
>>>> compelling
>>>> enough to switch.
>>>> It seems like all my major tools (Firefox, Firebug, Eclipse,
>>>> IntelliJ)
>>>> are in the habit of growing too complex, and doing too much stuff
>>>> in
>>>> the background that I don't care about. All those intentions in
>>>> IntelliJ that you have to turn off (for performance reasons), and
>>>> all
>>>> those extra plugins for Eclipse that you need to not download in
>>>> the
>>>> first place ... they're all getting in my way.
>>>> I think a lot of this falls into the general category of accidental
>>>> complexity ... to address the limitations of the Java programming
>>>> language, all this extra stuff is coming into play: tools and
>>>> wizards
>>>> and plugins and indexes and whatnot. I find it pretty pleasant to
>>>> work
>>>> with Clojure instead, where the accidental complexity of Java is
>>>> managed and isolated and the IDE doesn't feel the need to be overly
>>>> ambitious. That's the Clojure concept right there ... grow the
>>>> language
>>>> to your needs, rather than building up tools. I think that's the
>>>> Tapestry ethic as well.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Posted By Howard to Tapestry Central at 7/02/2009 01:10:00 PM
>>>
>>> Christian Edward Gruber
>>> christianedwardgruber@...
>>> http://www.geekinasuit.com/
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>
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and it's doing a garbage collection. I usually restart Eclipse when
this happens, and my problems go away. However, I have to leave it
running for weeks for this to happen. I've never had it crash. I'd add
that it's updater mechanism, while getting better, still needs some
work, and various updated mess stuff up. The latest J2EE perspective
seems rather brain dead, hiding new files and refusing to refresh.
Previous version't wouldn't sort new file properly, instead placing
them in a random place. I've since moved back to the plain old Java
perspective. All in all, I've been pretty happy with it.
Norman Franke
Answering Service for Directors, Inc.
www.myasd.com
On Jul 2, 2009, at 9:03 PM, Craig St. Jean wrote:
> I haven't had Eclipse (or products based on it) crash in a LONG
> time. I do
> however have it lock up for a couple minutes at a time several times
> a day.
> Incredibly frustrating when you have unsaved files.
>
> I remember I was using Eclipse 3.2 a couple of years ago and I timed
> it as
> being locked up for literally 16 minutes, as I was trying to do a save
> all... (though now its almost always less than 3 minutes)
>
> On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 6:54 PM, Angelo Chen <angelochen960@...
> >wrote:
>
>>
>> I got two reasons not using Eclipse:
>>
>> 1) crashes, it just simply crashed even sitting there, probably it's
>> getting
>> better now.
>> 2) don't know what to download, so many versions out there, and
>> never find
>> out which one is correct for me, in front of Eclipse I'm really a
>> newbie:)
>>
>> angelo
>>
>>
>> Christian Edward Gruber-2 wrote:
>>>
>>> I agree - I bounce back and forth as well, quite commonly. I'm
>>> encouraged by Eclipse 3.5 for reasons you cite, but it's
>>> frustrating. Every-so-often I seriously consider just a text
>>> editor
>>> and command-line, but things like re-factoring tools, etc, usually
>>> bring me back.
>>>
>>> I'll tell you though, the one that gives me a NeXT-style
>>> InterfaceBuilder work-alike for Swing or SWT will probably win for
>>> me. (And if someone let me build tapestry code that way... drag and
>>> drop GUIs... I'd definitely pay for that privilege)
>>>
>>> Christian
>>>
>>> On Jul 2, 2009, at 4:30 PM, Howard wrote:
>>>
>>>> I seem to be caught between two IDEs: Eclipse and IntelliJ. I
>>>> abandoned
>>>> Eclipse a couple of years back, partly based on wide spread
>>>> recommendations from many different people, and partly because
>>>> Eclipse
>>>> just stopped working for me (it crashed out).
>>>> After I got started with IntelliJ I started to appreciate its
>>>> merits,
>>>> despite a generally clunky interface (with lots of modal windows),
>>>> truly awful documentation. Many things are streamlined and only a
>>>> ctrl-alt-shift-coke-bottle-touch-your-nose away.
>>>> However, over time, using IntelliJ got slower and slower and
>>>> slower.
>>>> It
>>>> also started running the Tapestry test suite horrifically slowly:
>>>> 40
>>>> minutes and up (it should be about five). It would often go away,
>>>> even
>>>> when memory wasn't tight. Indexing? Checking Repositories?
>>>> Computing
>>>> primes? No way to tell.
>>>> Meanwhile, Eclipse has been moving forward, with Eclipse Galileo
>>>> being
>>>> a Cocoa (not a Carbon) application. Critical plugins such as
>>>> M2Eclipse
>>>> have gotten nice, and the Clojure plugin is mostly better than the
>>>> IntelliJ one (though both are very early).
>>>> For a while I was using IntelliJ when teaching Tapestry (as part of
>>>> the
>>>> VMWare image I use when training) ... and I got a lot of
>>>> resistance.
>>>> People were much happier with Eclipse on the last couple of go-
>>>> rounds,
>>>> and I'm sticking with it.
>>>> Overall, I'm feeling that most of what I've grown used to in
>>>> IntelliJ
>>>> is present in Eclipse, just handled a bit differently. The Clojure
>>>> plugins are a wash; IntelliJ has the edge on the Git plugin. I
>>>> think
>>>> Subversion inside Eclipse is actually better.
>>>> I've even cranked up NetBeans but didn't find anything there
>>>> compelling
>>>> enough to switch.
>>>> It seems like all my major tools (Firefox, Firebug, Eclipse,
>>>> IntelliJ)
>>>> are in the habit of growing too complex, and doing too much stuff
>>>> in
>>>> the background that I don't care about. All those intentions in
>>>> IntelliJ that you have to turn off (for performance reasons), and
>>>> all
>>>> those extra plugins for Eclipse that you need to not download in
>>>> the
>>>> first place ... they're all getting in my way.
>>>> I think a lot of this falls into the general category of accidental
>>>> complexity ... to address the limitations of the Java programming
>>>> language, all this extra stuff is coming into play: tools and
>>>> wizards
>>>> and plugins and indexes and whatnot. I find it pretty pleasant to
>>>> work
>>>> with Clojure instead, where the accidental complexity of Java is
>>>> managed and isolated and the IDE doesn't feel the need to be overly
>>>> ambitious. That's the Clojure concept right there ... grow the
>>>> language
>>>> to your needs, rather than building up tools. I think that's the
>>>> Tapestry ethic as well.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Posted By Howard to Tapestry Central at 7/02/2009 01:10:00 PM
>>>
>>> Christian Edward Gruber
>>> christianedwardgruber@...
>>> http://www.geekinasuit.com/
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscribe@...
>>> For additional commands, e-mail: users-help@...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> View this message in context:
>> http://www.nabble.com/-Tapestry-Central--Caught-between-Two-IDEs-tp24313658p24315185.html
>> Sent from the Tapestry - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>
>>
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>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscribe@...
>> For additional commands, e-mail: users-help@...
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