Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposal: switch to HTML 5
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Re: Fwd: [Wikitech-l] Proposal: switch to HTML 5
by Shane McCarron
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Sergey Chernyshev wrote: MediaWiki team is switching to HTML 5. I planned to work on integrating RDFa support to Semantic MediaWiki core, but now the question is, how far is RDFa from haveing something working in HTML 5 namespace?Technically, RDFa is defined in the HTML5 namespace, since HTML5 and XHTML M12N share a namespace. So I think you are fine. In the real world there is no HTML5. There have been a couple of working drafts published. In the real world, I would stick to HTML4 or XHTML 1. You can safely use RDFa in these contexts. It works great!
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposal: switch to HTML 5
by Micah Dubinko-3
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Also, Yahoo (and I'm pretty sure Google) crawlers currently parse RDFa
from all kinds of web pages, including those with an HTML5 doctype declaration. On Jul 11, 2009, at 1:17 PM, Shane McCarron wrote: > > > Sergey Chernyshev wrote: >> >> MediaWiki team is switching to HTML 5. I planned to work on >> integrating RDFa support to Semantic MediaWiki core, but now the >> question is, how far is RDFa from haveing something working in HTML >> 5 namespace? > Technically, RDFa is defined in the HTML5 namespace, since HTML5 and > XHTML M12N share a namespace. So I think you are fine. >> >> Can you say in a couple of words what stops people from consuming >> RDFa in HTML 5? in real world that is (e.g. Yahoo, Google, smaller >> developers?) > In the real world there is no HTML5. There have been a couple of > working drafts published. In the real world, I would stick to HTML4 > or XHTML 1. You can safely use RDFa in these contexts. It works > great! >> >> Thank you, >> >> Sergey >> >> >> -- >> Sergey Chernyshev >> http://www.sergeychernyshev.com/ >> >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: Aryeh Gregor <Simetrical+wikilist@...> >> Date: Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 10:02 AM >> Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposal: switch to HTML 5 >> To: Wikimedia developers <wikitech-l@...> >> >> >> Apparently something ate my last post here. (I think it was my >> Chromium nightly build.) Okay, reposting from memory: >> >> After discussion with Brion on IRC, I've provisionally enabled an >> HTML >> 5 doctype in r53034: >> >> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/53034 >> >> My thoughts on what we should do in the immediate future are: >> >> 1) Get at least the enwiki Main Page set up so it will validate as >> HTML 5 when we scap: >> <http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/&charset=(detect+automatically)&doctype=HTML5&group=0 >> > >> >> 1a) Remove border="0" from Wikimedia's $wgCopyrightIcon (it does >> nothing anyway). >> >> 1b) Rope some enwiki sysops into getting rid of all cellpadding, >> cellspacing, align, and clear attributes on the Main Page (converting >> them to CSS). >> >> 2) Scap (whenever this happens -- maybe not so immediate future :) ). >> >> 3) Wait a couple of hours to see if anything breaks. >> >> 4) Make a tech blog post and post a notice to the whatwg list (I'll >> do >> this). We'll have our front page validating as HTML 5 at this point, >> hopefully, to make a more positive impact. >> >> 5) See what happens! >> >> I expect this will pick up some interest, since we'll probably be >> increasing the number of HTML 5 page views by a factor of -- oh, ten >> thousand? (Is there any top *1000* site that uses HTML 5 for all its >> primary content?) We can see how things develop, and if all goes >> well >> start using more HTML 5 features. >> >> I'd recommend that until the code goes live, this should be >> considered >> an *experimental* *development* change. People shouldn't go around >> announcing this everywhere until it's actually live. For one thing, >> some unknown problem might crop up and we'd have to temporarily roll >> back, which would cause confusion and bad press for both us and HTML >> 5. For another thing, it would be nice if we could link to a >> validating main page in the announcement. I'm sure people can hold >> off posting stories to Slashdot for a week or two, right? :) >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikitech-l mailing list >> Wikitech-l@... >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l >> > > -- > Shane P. McCarron Phone: +1 763 786-8160 x120 > Managing Director Fax: +1 763 786-8180 > ApTest Minnesota Inet: shane@... > |
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Re: Fwd: [Wikitech-l] Proposal: switch to HTML 5
by Julian Reschke
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Shane McCarron wrote:
> > > Sergey Chernyshev wrote: >> MediaWiki team is switching to HTML 5. I planned to work on >> integrating RDFa support to Semantic MediaWiki core, but now the >> question is, how far is RDFa from haveing something working in HTML 5 >> namespace? > Technically, RDFa is defined in the HTML5 namespace, since HTML5 and > XHTML M12N share a namespace. So I think you are fine. >> >> Can you say in a couple of words what stops people from consuming RDFa >> in HTML 5? in real world that is (e.g. Yahoo, Google, smaller developers?) > In the real world there is no HTML5. There have been a couple of > working drafts published. In the real world, I would stick to HTML4 or > XHTML 1. You can safely use RDFa in these contexts. It works great! > ... That is totally misleading. There is no spec for RDFa-in-HTNL. Not even a working draft, as far as I can tell. BR, Julian (and yes, I'm a supporter of RDFa, but claiming that "there is no HTML5", and then in the same sentence saying you can do RDFa-in-HTML????) |
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