Re: [kopete-devel] Request for updating Kopete_Jabber_Jingle

On Sunday 11 October 2009 15:30:15 Rafał Miłecki wrote:
> HI,
>
> I would like to ask you for updating
> http://userbase.kde.org/Kopete_Jabber_Jingle
>
> Currently is says jingle is not supported, but on the other hand
> http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.2_Feature_Plan lists jingle
> voice as "DONE". Moreover starting Kopete I can see video preferences
> (didn't try to talk with anyone yet).

Hi Rafal,

http://userbase.kde.org/Kopete_Jabber_Jingle has not been updated since KDE
3.5, this is not for KDE 4.
But you're right, it should be updated.

About Jingle, here's the deal :
KDE 4.2 came with Jingle support. Unfortunately, The protocol was still at an
Experimental state at the time and there were some bugs with the audio part of
Kopete.
So I decided to deactivate it for KDE 4.3 as the protocol was already outdated
and no other client had this version implemented. There was also problems to
connect through firewalls and routers.

Now that the protocol has been stabilized, I've got a better and up-to-date
implementation. It's available on the KDE SVN repository, there :

svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/branches/work/kopete/new_jingle

It's not ready yet (There is no Rtp and it's not been tested at all within
Kopete) so I don't recommend to try it now.

Rtp should be there soon, I just need to explain oRTP what it has to do :-)

In Kopete, the webcam configuration dialog is used to configure your webcam for
all protocols (currently, only Yahoo supports video though IIRC), That's why
you can configure your webcam even if you can't use it.

Detlev Casanova.

PS:I'm not sure the e-mail addresses you used for Anne and Michaël are still
valid but that's not a problem, I CC'd the answer to the kopete-devel mailing-
list.


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[Anne Wilson-4]

Thanks for including me in this conversation.  As I don't subscribe to the
kopete-devel list, please keep me cc'd.  Reply below quote:


On Sunday 11 October 2009 22:52:52 Detlev Casanova wrote:
> On Sunday 11 October 2009 15:30:15 Rafał Miłecki wrote:
> > HI,
> >
> > I would like to ask you for updating
> > http://userbase.kde.org/Kopete_Jabber_Jingle
> >
<snip>
> http://userbase.kde.org/Kopete_Jabber_Jingle has not been updated since KDE
> 3.5, this is not for KDE 4.
> But you're right, it should be updated.
>
My immediate reaction was that I should use this statement to give a more up-
to-date page on userbase, but when I look at what exists I don't feel
competent.  I suspect that quite a lot of that should be deleted, but I'm not
sure just what.  That leaves us with two options.

1) Rafal or one of his associates could update the page directly

2) Rafal or teammate could give me a summary of what should be deleted, and
I'll create a page from the remains plus Rafal's comments, then ask them to
check it.

Either way, I'm happy to work with you all to get this corrected, and thanks
again for bringing it to my attention.

Anne
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On Monday 12 October 2009 10:02:46 Anne Wilson wrote:

> Thanks for including me in this conversation.  As I don't subscribe to the
> kopete-devel list, please keep me cc'd.  Reply below quote:
>
> On Sunday 11 October 2009 22:52:52 Detlev Casanova wrote:
> > On Sunday 11 October 2009 15:30:15 Rafał Miłecki wrote:
> > > HI,
> > >
> > > I would like to ask you for updating
> > > http://userbase.kde.org/Kopete_Jabber_Jingle
>
> <snip>
>
> > http://userbase.kde.org/Kopete_Jabber_Jingle has not been updated since
> > KDE 3.5, this is not for KDE 4.
> > But you're right, it should be updated.
>
> My immediate reaction was that I should use this statement to give a more
>  up- to-date page on userbase, but when I look at what exists I don't feel
>  competent.  I suspect that quite a lot of that should be deleted, but I'm
>  not sure just what.  That leaves us with two options.
>
> 1) Rafal or one of his associates could update the page directly
>
> 2) Rafal or teammate could give me a summary of what should be deleted, and
> I'll create a page from the remains plus Rafal's comments, then ask them to
> check it.

Why Rafał ? _He_'s asking for an update.
I planned on updating that page as soon as the branch is merged.

> Either way, I'm happy to work with you all to get this corrected, and
>  thanks again for bringing it to my attention.

Detlev.


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2009/10/13 Detlev Casanova <detlev.casanova@...>:

> On Monday 12 October 2009 10:02:46 Anne Wilson wrote:
>> Thanks for including me in this conversation.  As I don't subscribe to the
>> kopete-devel list, please keep me cc'd.  Reply below quote:
>>
>> On Sunday 11 October 2009 22:52:52 Detlev Casanova wrote:
>> > On Sunday 11 October 2009 15:30:15 Rafał Miłecki wrote:
>> > > HI,
>> > >
>> > > I would like to ask you for updating
>> > > http://userbase.kde.org/Kopete_Jabber_Jingle
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>> > http://userbase.kde.org/Kopete_Jabber_Jingle has not been updated since
>> > KDE 3.5, this is not for KDE 4.
>> > But you're right, it should be updated.
>>
>> My immediate reaction was that I should use this statement to give a more
>>  up- to-date page on userbase, but when I look at what exists I don't feel
>>  competent.  I suspect that quite a lot of that should be deleted, but I'm
>>  not sure just what.  That leaves us with two options.
>>
>> 1) Rafal or one of his associates could update the page directly
>>
>> 2) Rafal or teammate could give me a summary of what should be deleted, and
>> I'll create a page from the remains plus Rafal's comments, then ask them to
>> check it.
>
> Why Rafał ? _He_'s asking for an update.
> I planned on updating that page as soon as the branch is merged.

Yeah, I'm quite sure Anne didn't mean *me* :) I just asked question as
I try to gather status of Jingle support and collect it in
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_instant_messaging_clients#Protocol_support
:) Hopefully we will have a lot of compatible, Jingle-supporting
clients soon :)

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2009/10/11 Detlev Casanova <detlev.casanova@...>:

> On Sunday 11 October 2009 15:30:15 Rafał Miłecki wrote:
>> HI,
>>
>> I would like to ask you for updating
>> http://userbase.kde.org/Kopete_Jabber_Jingle
>>
>> Currently is says jingle is not supported, but on the other hand
>> http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.2_Feature_Plan lists jingle
>> voice as "DONE". Moreover starting Kopete I can see video preferences
>> (didn't try to talk with anyone yet).
>
> Hi Rafal,
>
> http://userbase.kde.org/Kopete_Jabber_Jingle has not been updated since KDE
> 3.5, this is not for KDE 4.
> But you're right, it should be updated.
>
> About Jingle, here's the deal :
> KDE 4.2 came with Jingle support. Unfortunately, The protocol was still at an
> Experimental state at the time and there were some bugs with the audio part of
> Kopete.
> So I decided to deactivate it for KDE 4.3 as the protocol was already outdated
> and no other client had this version implemented. There was also problems to
> connect through firewalls and routers.
>
> Now that the protocol has been stabilized, I've got a better and up-to-date
> implementation. It's available on the KDE SVN repository, there :
>
> svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/branches/work/kopete/new_jingle
>
> It's not ready yet (There is no Rtp and it's not been tested at all within
> Kopete) so I don't recommend to try it now.
>
> Rtp should be there soon, I just need to explain oRTP what it has to do :-)

Is this OK if I ask about some ETA for this? Are you able to specify
if this is about week, month, half a year or year?

Thank you for all that explaining :)

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