Re: [mb-automods] Autoeditor Election: jesus2099 (me)

Oh well guys.

Even if I know I won't be validated as autoeditor,
I don't really like to be gratuitiously walked over like that
by some insulting, inexperienced, immature but yet patronizing,
lame editor like Atedos.

You see Atedos, I can do it like you too, without even using capslock.
You take a little bit of truth and give it unproportionnal importance
compared with my correct edits' history.

Atedos, as well as Philip, Chad and Murdos, are you seriously thinking that
I would ever get the idea of doing such edits, that require discussion,
as auto-edits?
I am very disapointed that people get to think I'm such a moron, really.

I have some obsessions at times and put them into discussions.
(proper duet track artist -important-, casing -trivial-, genuine names for unique artists -important-,
I am not a hacker or something like that, my purpose is not to destroy.
If I'm not clear enough:
I WOULDN'T GODDAMN AUTOEDIT ANYTHING
THAT IS NOT SELF EVIDENT ACCORDING TO WRITTEN GUIDELINES.

I really thought that was obvious.
Because you don't like this or that, you really think I'm a moron.
But, and that is perfectly natural and healthy that any autoeditor's
point of vue on this or that particular point is also likely to be
discussed at times.

# Nikki #

Nikki already addressed some of Chad, Murdos and Philip concerns
better than I could with my english.

I would like to reply to what came afterwards for other voters to read.

# Chad #

Mailing list, well this shouldn't be an issue anymore,
I created a silly e-mail to avoid spam.
I did that before you told me that bothered you, Chad.

Chad, you could also witness this kind of behaviour (referring to my forum post) in many edit notes by autoeditors.
In lack of guidelines they advocate their habits / preference,
his is human I guess.
My forum post in the other hand is more public and subject to counter
opinion. I think I am being more fair than many already.
When something was like this I created forum threads.

# Philip #

You're maybe thinking about [^Vietnamese typography rules].
This is not formalized even in Việt Nam so I don't understand why you
would want me to agree with you and not you to agree with me?

What makes you think your word has more value than mine?

This has nothing to do with typography but I think I have at least
as much vietnamese knowledge as you, my vnm blog, for instance,
was even featured in some sunday Tuổi trẻ newspaper article [^blogviet].
(Article without space before colon! :D)

And I don't see how I have been more prone not to settle this issue
than you? Our situations are strictly the same.
You say A, I say B. Both A and B coexist over there.
How was I more obrstusive than you were?
Did I delete your scans? No.
Did you delete mine? No.
Did I critisized you or your position? No.

We agree on casing that is already something important.
Now spacing before punctuation, there is no agreement because there is no
consistency even in Việt Nam.
So let's say we just copy the backcover for this when we (rarely) have to
make a choice.
We should just remove the part on space/no-space before punctuation from the final version of Capitalization Standard Vietnamese

# Atedos #

Atedos, please provide some examples/references of what you assert.
I highly doubt I tried to change wrong release language if it was not a mistake (a mistake compared with >10000 OK non-autoedits) that I would
have then promptly fixed.

So, I don't listen to others?
Again, please provide informative links to illustrate that.

"The pot calling the kettle black"
(="C'est l'hôpital qui se moque de la charité")

I'm quite puzzled because, coming from Atedos, such an assert is strange.
The only thing I remember about him crossing my way
(besides me/him voting yes to numerous his/my good edits,
and we haven't "meet" that often anyway),
was that time when he both voted
1. NO to my merging or renaming of a romanized japanese artist
   to his native name (like we do for Mozart etc.)
   and also voted
2. NO to the alternative which was to create the new jpn artist
   with a ''performs as'' AR between them [^yamaoka].

Then he made a certain amount of edits fail and supported the deletion
of the genuine japanese artist name [^delete yamaoka] while keeping
the romanization.
His attitude was not constructive at all, making everybody loose
much time and me re-editing over again.
How could he not allow the genuine name in?
I think that was quite childish and obstrusive so to say.

And then, few days later, Atedos was "promoted" autoeditor,
I must say that was quite a shock to me.

Having just witnessed something so stubborn I wouldn't have ever done
but, yet having been myself refused once already (maybe because of french
capitalization conflict with dmppanda or something like that, roughly).
I thought there was a high exigence level to being elected but in the end
I saw that it was also a matter of luck and coincidences, sort of.

But well, I was OK with it. Because besides having acted like shit
and having a very low edit-count
(like only 95 release additions [^atedos 2301 edits] and 2301 edits)...
besides that, he was actively voting (1501 votes [^atedos 1501 votes])
so I eventually agreed as I respect and value votes
(time consuming, demanding, very important).

Saying I shouldn't use capslock is erh... like if I said
you should have stopped using your "=\\" smiley.
My capslock are usually intended to make people smile.
Well, I know humour is very difficult to convey in foreign languages,
sorry for my very bad sense of humour then.
Maybe I should write more emotionless and more serious.

Maybe I forgot some times where I used capslock on you and that it wasn't
for making humour...
Once again, links would be rather welcome to back-up your assertion that
I was aggressive.

What I can say on my part is that you always sounded very patronizing,
like in [^delete yamaoka] where you tell me, how bad it would be to
keep 2 identical artists after having blocked my attempt of keeping only
one by setting his genuine name (again like Mozart, Tchaikovsky
and friends). I have never been in favor of duplicating an artist* with
its romanization or any other transcription [^my artist merges].
I, too, prefer merging. But you blocked that process.

And you know, autoeditors should show the right example, shouldn't they? ;)

* Duets' collaboration artists are something else, another problem
due to limitations and for which I resigned to also use unique artist


PS.
I'm writing this quite rapidely in reaction with what I just read,
I have very high workload now to think properly,
I hope I am not being more impolite than Atedos.


It seems only small group of people (under)stands me.
I'm OK staying normal editor. Although autoeditor would certainly ease
some of my MB editings and also I feel so much criticism seems quite too
much for somehting I wouldn't do and compared with some other autoeditors
who only do a small fraction of my activities here.

I should be the one who feels not comfortable,
please stop being not comfortable. ;D


OK, let's do send this.


Cheers everybody!
Tristan is jesus2099.


[^Vietnamese typography rules]: http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Talk:Capitalization_Standard_Vietnamese
[^blogviet]: http://j2.ions.fr/blogviet/2006/07/nhng-lp-hc-khng-bin-gii.html


[^yamaoka]: http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=8870313
[^delete yamaoka]: http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=9043683
[^my artist merges]: http://musicbrainz.org/mod/search/results.html?automod=&mod_type=6&moderator_type=3&moderator_id=285909&voter_type=0&voter_id=285909&artist_type=0&orderby=asc&minid=&maxid=&isreset=0


[^atedos 2301 edits]: http://musicbrainz.org/mod/search/results.html?automod=&mod_type=16&moderator_type=3&moderator_id=317944&voter_type=0&voter_id=285909&artist_type=0&orderby=desc&minid=&maxid=2008-07-08+20%3A00%3A03+CEST&isreset=0
[^atedos 1501 votes]: http://musicbrainz.org/mod/search/results.html?automod=&moderator_type=0&moderator_id=285909&voter_type=1&voter_id=317944&vote_cast=0&vote_cast=1&artist_type=0&orderby=desc&minid=&maxid=2008-07-08+20%3A00%3A03+CEST&isreset=0


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