Re: [mb-automods] Autoeditor Election: jesus2099 (me)

>
> Oh well guys.
>
> Even if I know I won't be validated as autoeditor,
> I don't really like to be gratuitiously walked over like that
> by some insulting, inexperienced, immature but yet patronizing,
> lame editor like Atedos.
>
> You see Atedos, I can do it like you too, without even using capslock.
> You take a little bit of truth and give it unproportionnal importance
> compared with my correct edits' history.
>
> Atedos, as well as Philip, Chad and Murdos, are you seriously thinking that
> I would ever get the idea of doing such edits, that require discussion,
> as auto-edits?
> I am very disapointed that people get to think I'm such a moron, really.
>
> I have some obsessions at times and put them into discussions.
> (proper duet track artist -important-, casing -trivial-, genuine names for unique artists -important-,
> I am not a hacker or something like that, my purpose is not to destroy.
> If I'm not clear enough:
> I WOULDN'T GODDAMN AUTOEDIT ANYTHING
> THAT IS NOT SELF EVIDENT ACCORDING TO WRITTEN GUIDELINES.
>
> I really thought that was obvious.
> Because you don't like this or that, you really think I'm a moron.
> But, and that is perfectly natural and healthy that any autoeditor's
> point of vue on this or that particular point is also likely to be
> discussed at times.
>
> # Nikki #
>
> Nikki already addressed some of Chad, Murdos and Philip concerns
> better than I could with my english.
>
> I would like to reply to what came afterwards for other voters to read.
>
> # Chad #
>
> Mailing list, well this shouldn't be an issue anymore,
> I created a silly e-mail to avoid spam.
> I did that before you told me that bothered you, Chad.
>
> Chad, you could also witness this kind of behaviour (referring to my forum post) in many edit notes by autoeditors.
> In lack of guidelines they advocate their habits / preference,
> his is human I guess.
> My forum post in the other hand is more public and subject to counter
> opinion. I think I am being more fair than many already.
> When something was like this I created forum threads.
>
> # Philip #
>
> You're maybe thinking about [^Vietnamese typography rules].
> This is not formalized even in Việt Nam so I don't understand why you
> would want me to agree with you and not you to agree with me?
>
> What makes you think your word has more value than mine?
>
> This has nothing to do with typography but I think I have at least
> as much vietnamese knowledge as you, my vnm blog, for instance,
> was even featured in some sunday Tuổi trẻ newspaper article [^blogviet].
> (Article without space before colon! :D)
>
> And I don't see how I have been more prone not to settle this issue
> than you? Our situations are strictly the same.
> You say A, I say B. Both A and B coexist over there.
> How was I more obrstusive than you were?
> Did I delete your scans? No.
> Did you delete mine? No.
> Did I critisized you or your position? No.
>
> We agree on casing that is already something important.
> Now spacing before punctuation, there is no agreement because there is no
> consistency even in Việt Nam.
> So let's say we just copy the backcover for this when we (rarely) have to
> make a choice.
> We should just remove the part on space/no-space before punctuation from the final version of Capitalization Standard Vietnamese
>
> # Atedos #
>
> Atedos, please provide some examples/references of what you assert.
> I highly doubt I tried to change wrong release language if it was not a mistake (a mistake compared with >10000 OK non-autoedits) that I would
> have then promptly fixed.
>
> So, I don't listen to others?
> Again, please provide informative links to illustrate that.
>
> "The pot calling the kettle black"
> (="C'est l'hôpital qui se moque de la charité")
>
> I'm quite puzzled because, coming from Atedos, such an assert is strange.
> The only thing I remember about him crossing my way
> (besides me/him voting yes to numerous his/my good edits,
> and we haven't "meet" that often anyway),
> was that time when he both voted
> 1. NO to my merging or renaming of a romanized japanese artist
>   to his native name (like we do for Mozart etc.)
>   and also voted
> 2. NO to the alternative which was to create the new jpn artist
>   with a ''performs as'' AR between them [^yamaoka].
>
> Then he made a certain amount of edits fail and supported the deletion
> of the genuine japanese artist name [^delete yamaoka] while keeping
> the romanization.
> His attitude was not constructive at all, making everybody loose
> much time and me re-editing over again.
> How could he not allow the genuine name in?
> I think that was quite childish and obstrusive so to say.
>
> And then, few days later, Atedos was "promoted" autoeditor,
> I must say that was quite a shock to me.
>
> Having just witnessed something so stubborn I wouldn't have ever done
> but, yet having been myself refused once already (maybe because of french
> capitalization conflict with dmppanda or something like that, roughly).
> I thought there was a high exigence level to being elected but in the end
> I saw that it was also a matter of luck and coincidences, sort of.
>
> But well, I was OK with it. Because besides having acted like shit
> and having a very low edit-count
> (like only 95 release additions [^atedos 2301 edits] and 2301 edits)...
> besides that, he was actively voting (1501 votes [^atedos 1501 votes])
> so I eventually agreed as I respect and value votes
> (time consuming, demanding, very important).
>
> Saying I shouldn't use capslock is erh... like if I said
> you should have stopped using your "=\\" smiley.
> My capslock are usually intended to make people smile.
> Well, I know humour is very difficult to convey in foreign languages,
> sorry for my very bad sense of humour then.
> Maybe I should write more emotionless and more serious.
>
> Maybe I forgot some times where I used capslock on you and that it wasn't
> for making humour...
> Once again, links would be rather welcome to back-up your assertion that
> I was aggressive.
>
> What I can say on my part is that you always sounded very patronizing,
> like in [^delete yamaoka] where you tell me, how bad it would be to
> keep 2 identical artists after having blocked my attempt of keeping only
> one by setting his genuine name (again like Mozart, Tchaikovsky
> and friends). I have never been in favor of duplicating an artist* with
> its romanization or any other transcription [^my artist merges].
> I, too, prefer merging. But you blocked that process.
>
> And you know, autoeditors should show the right example, shouldn't they? ;)
>
> * Duets' collaboration artists are something else, another problem
> due to limitations and for which I resigned to also use unique artist
>
>
> PS.
> I'm writing this quite rapidely in reaction with what I just read,
> I have very high workload now to think properly,
> I hope I am not being more impolite than Atedos.
>
>
> It seems only small group of people (under)stands me.
> I'm OK staying normal editor. Although autoeditor would certainly ease
> some of my MB editings and also I feel so much criticism seems quite too
> much for somehting I wouldn't do and compared with some other autoeditors
> who only do a small fraction of my activities here.
>
> I should be the one who feels not comfortable,
> please stop being not comfortable. ;D
>
>
> OK, let's do send this.
>
>
> Cheers everybody!
> Tristan is jesus2099.
>
>
> [^Vietnamese typography rules]: http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Talk:Capitalization_Standard_Vietnamese
> [^blogviet]: http://j2.ions.fr/blogviet/2006/07/nhng-lp-hc-khng-bin-gii.html
>
>
> [^yamaoka]: http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=8870313
> [^delete yamaoka]: http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=9043683
> [^my artist merges]: http://musicbrainz.org/mod/search/results.html?automod=&mod_type=6&moderator_type=3&moderator_id=285909&voter_type=0&voter_id=285909&artist_type=0&orderby=asc&minid=&maxid=&isreset=0
>
>
> [^atedos 2301 edits]: http://musicbrainz.org/mod/search/results.html?automod=&mod_type=16&moderator_type=3&moderator_id=317944&voter_type=0&voter_id=285909&artist_type=0&orderby=desc&minid=&maxid=2008-07-08+20%3A00%3A03+CEST&isreset=0
> [^atedos 1501 votes]: http://musicbrainz.org/mod/search/results.html?automod=&moderator_type=0&moderator_id=285909&voter_type=1&voter_id=317944&vote_cast=0&vote_cast=1&artist_type=0&orderby=desc&minid=&maxid=2008-07-08+20%3A00%3A03+CEST&isreset=0
>
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> --- En date de : Mer 1.4.09, Atedos <atedos@...> a écrit :
>
>> De: Atedos <atedos@...>
>> Objet: Re: [mb-automods] Autoeditor Election: jesus2099
>> À: "Discussion among auto-moderators" <musicbrainz-automods@...>
>> Date: Mercredi 1 Avril 2009, 23h33
>> I'm personally against such nomination.
>> Not to say he is stubborn, his understanding of guidelines
>> is very specific,
>> and has it's own way. He doesn't take in account
>> other opinions/positions,
>> and always operates by himself, basing on his own
>> principle.
>> It was said right, when there can be achieved no solution
>> with him.
>> Not to say it seems he doesn't know basic rules (I can
>> remember changing
>> wrong release language, using unicode character we refused
>> to use to). He
>> also makes dozens of edits, which quality is under
>> question.
>> His manner of dialog is sometimes aggressive (shouting,
>> capslock), and once
>> again, it looks like he doesn't listen to others, doing
>> on his own.
>> That not an autoeditor I'd like to see.
>> My vote is No.
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