Re: [mb-automods] Autoeditor Election: jesus2099

> De: Tristan / jesus2099 <vienschez-prout@...>
> Objet: Re: [mb-automods] Autoeditor Election: jesus2099
> À: musicbrainz-users@...
> Date: Mercredi 1 Avril 2009, 21h20
> Uh oh, I can't write into the mb-automud, uh oh. So let
> me reply here.
>
> So, here comes a French fellow who comes to bring the house
> down again! :D
>
> Mmh what can I say.
> You're digging out the so called DuetStyle case here.
>
> Yes I (still) want to have that duet credited on track
> artist (instead of single artist).
> http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=9111154
>
> Yes, I think having trackartist "A & B", when
> A sings first, more logical than "B & A", no I
> don't think there is a problem by duplicating artists
> this way.
> http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=8507712
> But I given up on this idea quite quickly seeing the
> reluctance of most.
>
> As I see most people either don't care or are against
> this, I stopped doing those edits, then decided that this
> information was so damn vital that I had to record it in
> annotations. Then I thought it was vain so I even stopped
> those annotations, or maybe I didn't, I don't
> remember. Oh no, I do tags now instead of annotations.
> tags now
> http://musicbrainz.org/show/tag/?tag=duet&show=track
> instead of annotations
> http://musicbrainz.org/edit/annotation/show.html?annotationid=136967
> By the way, I didn't know annotations shouldn't
> contain such information.
>
> Well. I take MB like a wiki but even better because people
> vote. If I see some possible improvement to a release, I
> edit and see (when it is not in contradiction with
> guidelines). I even post in the forum and take the edits as
> illustration of what I say (and cancel everything/revert if
> disagreement).
>
> It is of course not the kind of things I would ever think
> of autoedit.
> I have stopped editing this kind of things (Duets'
> track artists) since one year ago as I stopped editing
> french releases (Elite Camel Capitalisation Problem) because
> I was facing too much disapprovement.
>
> I DREAM OF WORLD DOMINATIONS I WILL AT LAST BE ABLE TO HAVE
> BOTH "MICHAEL JACKSONS & SAUSAGEZ" AND
> "SAUSAGES & MICHAEL JACKSONS" IN MB!!! OH MEIN
> GOTT! (not)
>
> You can't find traces of what I did that was contrary
> to the majority's point of view because when people tell
> me NO, even if I think it is completely stopid (like having
> composers instead of singers in Bollywood film 100% songs
> -and duets- albums), I just revert and go away doing
> something else.
> In fact I end up only editing vietnamese and even more
> japanese stuff, quite a lot. Where I'm almost always
> conforming with the unanimity. This makes me loose less
> time. And have more fun here of course.
>
> So don't worries with your duets, they will remain
> uncredited.
> (Duets with just one singer is weirdo but) I've given
> up hope feeding MB with complete track artists.
>
> Don'T Worries With Your Elite French Caps (instead of
> sentence), I Am Not Touchings it Since A Very Long Times
> Agoes.
>
> I won't deny anything, just that when I was told not to
> do something I agreed not to do it.
> I could also dig out some very baddest edits by recently
> elected, rather inexperimented, automuds. (but the jesus2099
> is not likes that)
>
> Again one very spontaneous e-mail with no review.
>
> Cheers! Happy votes!
> I just hope Nikki won't be sorry.
> Tristan ← jesus2099
>
> --- En date de : Mer 1.4.09, Aurélien Mino
> <aurelien.mino@...> a écrit :
>
> > De: Aurélien Mino <aurelien.mino@...>
> > Objet: Re: [mb-automods] Autoeditor Election:
> jesus2099
> > À: "Discussion among auto-moderators"
> <musicbrainz-automods@...>
> > Date: Mercredi 1 Avril 2009, 18h23
> > On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 2:26 PM, Nikki
> > <nikki@...> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I'm nominating jesus2099 because, quite
> frankly,
> > I'm sick of approving
> > > his edits. :P He was nominated two years ago but
> > people thought he was
> > > still too inexperienced, but he's now been
> around
> > for about two and half
> > > years now and has over 15,000 accepted
> non-autoedits,
> > so I think he's
> > > definitely experienced enough now.
> > >
> >
> > I'm really not comfortable with jesus2099 becoming
> an
> > autoeditor.
> > While he's making a lot of correct edits, he also
> tends
> > to make things in
> > its own way (and often with a batch of similar edits
> > instead of opening one
> > edit to see how it's received by other editors).
> And I
> > find that often his
> > way doesn't match the MB principles and
> compromises.
> >
> > E.g. in
> http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=9111154
> > he's changing the
> > track artist to a collaboration because booklet
> credits say
> > it's a duet
> > while the second artist is not listed on the cover
> (which
> > means according to
> > FeaturingArtistStyle that the track title should not
> even
> > hold a "(feat.
> > XXX")).
> >
> > Or with
> http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=8507712
> > where he arguments
> > that collaboration "Artist A & Artist B"
> is
> > different from collaboration
> > "Artist B & Artist A" because the order
> of
> > appearance of artists (who sings
> > first) is important.
> > Although everyone said him it was against common sens,
> I
> > don't think he
> > changed his mind since he's adding annotations to
> keep
> > this information
> > (e.g.
> >
> http://musicbrainz.org/edit/annotation/show.html?annotationid=136967).
> >
> > Furthermore he has a consequent number of failed edits
> > (>120), but also a
> > high number of canceled edits (>900).
> > Some of these (recent) canceled edits have been
> canceled
> > because he received
> > valid No votes.
> >
> > So to my opinion he's still making too much
> mistakes
> > and needs other editors
> > to look at his edits.
> >
> > - Aurélien // murdos