Re: [mb-automods] Autoeditor Election: jesus2099

[Tristan / jesus2099]

Uh oh, I can't write into the mb-automud, uh oh. So let me reply here.

So, here comes a French fellow who comes to bring the house down again! :D

Mmh what can I say.
You're digging out the so called DuetStyle case here.

Yes I (still) want to have that duet credited on track artist (instead of single artist).
http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=9111154

Yes, I think having trackartist "A & B", when A sings first, more logical than "B & A", no I don't think there is a problem by duplicating artists this way.
http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=8507712
But I given up on this idea quite quickly seeing the reluctance of most.

As I see most people either don't care or are against this, I stopped doing those edits, then decided that this information was so damn vital that I had to record it in annotations. Then I thought it was vain so I even stopped those annotations, or maybe I didn't, I don't remember. Oh no, I do tags now instead of annotations.
tags now http://musicbrainz.org/show/tag/?tag=duet&show=track
instead of annotations http://musicbrainz.org/edit/annotation/show.html?annotationid=136967
By the way, I didn't know annotations shouldn't contain such information.

Well. I take MB like a wiki but even better because people vote. If I see some possible improvement to a release, I edit and see (when it is not in contradiction with guidelines). I even post in the forum and take the edits as illustration of what I say (and cancel everything/revert if disagreement).

It is of course not the kind of things I would ever think of autoedit.
I have stopped editing this kind of things (Duets' track artists) since one year ago as I stopped editing french releases (Elite Camel Capitalisation Problem) because I was facing too much disapprovement.

I DREAM OF WORLD DOMINATIONS I WILL AT LAST BE ABLE TO HAVE BOTH "MICHAEL JACKSONS & SAUSAGEZ" AND "SAUSAGES & MICHAEL JACKSONS" IN MB!!! OH MEIN GOTT! (not)

You can't find traces of what I did that was contrary to the majority's point of view because when people tell me NO, even if I think it is completely stopid (like having composers instead of singers in Bollywood film 100% songs -and duets- albums), I just revert and go away doing something else.
In fact I end up only editing vietnamese and even more japanese stuff, quite a lot. Where I'm almost always conforming with the unanimity. This makes me loose less time. And have more fun here of course.

So don't worries with your duets, they will remain uncredited.
(Duets with just one singer is weirdo but) I've given up hope feeding MB with complete track artists.

Don'T Worries With Your Elite French Caps (instead of sentence), I Am Not Touchings it Since A Very Long Times Agoes.

I won't deny anything, just that when I was told not to do something I agreed not to do it.
I could also dig out some very baddest edits by recently elected, rather inexperimented, automuds. (but the jesus2099 is not likes that)

Again one very spontaneous e-mail with no review.

Cheers! Happy votes!
I just hope Nikki won't be sorry.
Tristan ← jesus2099

--- En date de : Mer 1.4.09, Aurélien Mino <aurelien.mino@...> a écrit :

> De: Aurélien Mino <aurelien.mino@...>
> Objet: Re: [mb-automods] Autoeditor Election: jesus2099
> À: "Discussion among auto-moderators" <musicbrainz-automods@...>
> Date: Mercredi 1 Avril 2009, 18h23
> On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 2:26 PM, Nikki
> <nikki@...> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I'm nominating jesus2099 because, quite frankly,
> I'm sick of approving
> > his edits. :P He was nominated two years ago but
> people thought he was
> > still too inexperienced, but he's now been around
> for about two and half
> > years now and has over 15,000 accepted non-autoedits,
> so I think he's
> > definitely experienced enough now.
> >
>
> I'm really not comfortable with jesus2099 becoming an
> autoeditor.
> While he's making a lot of correct edits, he also tends
> to make things in
> its own way (and often with a batch of similar edits
> instead of opening one
> edit to see how it's received by other editors). And I
> find that often his
> way doesn't match the MB principles and compromises.
>
> E.g. in http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=9111154
> he's changing the
> track artist to a collaboration because booklet credits say
> it's a duet
> while the second artist is not listed on the cover (which
> means according to
> FeaturingArtistStyle that the track title should not even
> hold a "(feat.
> XXX")).
>
> Or with http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=8507712
> where he arguments
> that collaboration "Artist A & Artist B" is
> different from collaboration
> "Artist B & Artist A" because the order of
> appearance of artists (who sings
> first) is important.
> Although everyone said him it was against common sens, I
> don't think he
> changed his mind since he's adding annotations to keep
> this information
> (e.g.
> http://musicbrainz.org/edit/annotation/show.html?annotationid=136967).
>
> Furthermore he has a consequent number of failed edits
> (>120), but also a
> high number of canceled edits (>900).
> Some of these (recent) canceled edits have been canceled
> because he received
> valid No votes.
>
> So to my opinion he's still making too much mistakes
> and needs other editors
> to look at his edits.
>
> - Aurélien // murdos

     

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[Tristan / jesus2099]

Woops I forgot :)

About the figures given by Murdos I thought I had to add more details.

128 voted down edits http://musicbrainz.org/mod/search/results.html?mod_status=3&automod=&moderator_id=285909&moderator_type=4&voter_type=0&voter_id=285909&artist_type=0&orderby=desc&minid=&maxid=&isreset=0

That is 0.82% of 15493 edits accepted (excludes autoedits).
And please read at least the first page, that is very intersting.
There are no against the rules edits or things like that.

It's about eccessive standardisation IMO.
It's someone who randomly voted no because he couldn't read japanese.
It's about VI typographic rules that are not clear, even in Vietnam. (http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Talk:Capitalization_Standard_Vietnamese)

Page 2, 3
It's about people who enforce crediting composers on indian songs.
Even if I disagreed, after trying to let them hear reason, I gave up of course.

Page 4
It's about not adding ISO 3602 japanese transcription as alias. Well so be it.
And it's about not adding yomigana to japanese artist comment (I was able to find back all the other edits to cancel them after having discussed it in the forums http://forums.musicbrainz.org/viewtopic.php?id=1392). (I'm never doing things silently).

etc.

927 cancelled edits http://musicbrainz.org/mod/search/results.html?mod_status=9&automod=&moderator_id=285909&moderator_type=4&voter_type=0&voter_id=285909&artist_type=0&orderby=desc&minid=&maxid=&isreset=0

That is 6% of 15493 edits accepted (excludes autoedits).

Well nothing to say except, go ahead read 1 or 2 pages for yourself.
I don't see the problem in adjusting edits. This is work.

Tristan / jesus2099

--- En date de : Mer 1.4.09, Tristan / jesus2099 <vienschez-prout@...> a écrit :

> De: Tristan / jesus2099 <vienschez-prout@...>
> Objet: Re: [mb-automods] Autoeditor Election: jesus2099
> À: musicbrainz-users@...
> Date: Mercredi 1 Avril 2009, 21h20
> Uh oh, I can't write into the mb-automud, uh oh. So let
> me reply here.
>
> So, here comes a French fellow who comes to bring the house
> down again! :D
>
> Mmh what can I say.
> You're digging out the so called DuetStyle case here.
>
> Yes I (still) want to have that duet credited on track
> artist (instead of single artist).
> http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=9111154
>
> Yes, I think having trackartist "A & B", when
> A sings first, more logical than "B & A", no I
> don't think there is a problem by duplicating artists
> this way.
> http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=8507712
> But I given up on this idea quite quickly seeing the
> reluctance of most.
>
> As I see most people either don't care or are against
> this, I stopped doing those edits, then decided that this
> information was so damn vital that I had to record it in
> annotations. Then I thought it was vain so I even stopped
> those annotations, or maybe I didn't, I don't
> remember. Oh no, I do tags now instead of annotations.
> tags now
> http://musicbrainz.org/show/tag/?tag=duet&show=track
> instead of annotations
> http://musicbrainz.org/edit/annotation/show.html?annotationid=136967
> By the way, I didn't know annotations shouldn't
> contain such information.
>
> Well. I take MB like a wiki but even better because people
> vote. If I see some possible improvement to a release, I
> edit and see (when it is not in contradiction with
> guidelines). I even post in the forum and take the edits as
> illustration of what I say (and cancel everything/revert if
> disagreement).
>
> It is of course not the kind of things I would ever think
> of autoedit.
> I have stopped editing this kind of things (Duets'
> track artists) since one year ago as I stopped editing
> french releases (Elite Camel Capitalisation Problem) because
> I was facing too much disapprovement.
>
> I DREAM OF WORLD DOMINATIONS I WILL AT LAST BE ABLE TO HAVE
> BOTH "MICHAEL JACKSONS & SAUSAGEZ" AND
> "SAUSAGES & MICHAEL JACKSONS" IN MB!!! OH MEIN
> GOTT! (not)
>
> You can't find traces of what I did that was contrary
> to the majority's point of view because when people tell
> me NO, even if I think it is completely stopid (like having
> composers instead of singers in Bollywood film 100% songs
> -and duets- albums), I just revert and go away doing
> something else.
> In fact I end up only editing vietnamese and even more
> japanese stuff, quite a lot. Where I'm almost always
> conforming with the unanimity. This makes me loose less
> time. And have more fun here of course.
>
> So don't worries with your duets, they will remain
> uncredited.
> (Duets with just one singer is weirdo but) I've given
> up hope feeding MB with complete track artists.
>
> Don'T Worries With Your Elite French Caps (instead of
> sentence), I Am Not Touchings it Since A Very Long Times
> Agoes.
>
> I won't deny anything, just that when I was told not to
> do something I agreed not to do it.
> I could also dig out some very baddest edits by recently
> elected, rather inexperimented, automuds. (but the jesus2099
> is not likes that)
>
> Again one very spontaneous e-mail with no review.
>
> Cheers! Happy votes!
> I just hope Nikki won't be sorry.
> Tristan ← jesus2099
>
> --- En date de : Mer 1.4.09, Aurélien Mino
> <aurelien.mino@...> a écrit :
>
> > De: Aurélien Mino <aurelien.mino@...>
> > Objet: Re: [mb-automods] Autoeditor Election:
> jesus2099
> > À: "Discussion among auto-moderators"
> <musicbrainz-automods@...>
> > Date: Mercredi 1 Avril 2009, 18h23
> > On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 2:26 PM, Nikki
> > <nikki@...> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I'm nominating jesus2099 because, quite
> frankly,
> > I'm sick of approving
> > > his edits. :P He was nominated two years ago but
> > people thought he was
> > > still too inexperienced, but he's now been
> around
> > for about two and half
> > > years now and has over 15,000 accepted
> non-autoedits,
> > so I think he's
> > > definitely experienced enough now.
> > >
> >
> > I'm really not comfortable with jesus2099 becoming
> an
> > autoeditor.
> > While he's making a lot of correct edits, he also
> tends
> > to make things in
> > its own way (and often with a batch of similar edits
> > instead of opening one
> > edit to see how it's received by other editors).
> And I
> > find that often his
> > way doesn't match the MB principles and
> compromises.
> >
> > E.g. in
> http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=9111154
> > he's changing the
> > track artist to a collaboration because booklet
> credits say
> > it's a duet
> > while the second artist is not listed on the cover
> (which
> > means according to
> > FeaturingArtistStyle that the track title should not
> even
> > hold a "(feat.
> > XXX")).
> >
> > Or with
> http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=8507712
> > where he arguments
> > that collaboration "Artist A & Artist B"
> is
> > different from collaboration
> > "Artist B & Artist A" because the order
> of
> > appearance of artists (who sings
> > first) is important.
> > Although everyone said him it was against common sens,
> I
> > don't think he
> > changed his mind since he's adding annotations to
> keep
> > this information
> > (e.g.
> >
> http://musicbrainz.org/edit/annotation/show.html?annotationid=136967).
> >
> > Furthermore he has a consequent number of failed edits
> > (>120), but also a
> > high number of canceled edits (>900).
> > Some of these (recent) canceled edits have been
> canceled
> > because he received
> > valid No votes.
> >
> > So to my opinion he's still making too much
> mistakes
> > and needs other editors
> > to look at his edits.
> >
> > - Aurélien // murdos

     

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[Iain Ramsey]

jesus2099, Atedos, et al.....

Please take your squabble elsewhere.... I subscribe to this mailing list to see questions regarding current practice debated.  Not to hear people bitching about eachother.....

You're wasting space in my Inbox right now!

Many thanks,
Ramsey

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