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by DonRedman
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Ok, I have calmed down a bit. Sorry for the outbreak. I just felt vey
frustrated. My appointed job is to make sure the process of fixing style
issues follows a certain procedure. But if this procedure is fucked up,
then this job is hell for both me and you.
The only possible conclusion to me is: The rules don't work. It is not
even worth to try to play along them. We need a new practice and we need
it *now*.
Just to show you how fucked up the current practice is (and please note
that I am very calm and am not accusing anybody now) observe this new
ticket that Fuchs entered: <http://test.musicbrainz.org/trac/ticket/1053>.
>>
As the result of the discussion on the
[http://lists.musicbrainz.org/pipermail/musicbrainz-
users/2006-January/022525.html mailinglist] I added a proposal that
incorporated the old [http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/UntitledBootlegStyle
UntitledBootlegStyle] with the new ideas.
This proposal is explained in detail at:
[http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/LiveBootlegStyle LiveBootlegStyle]. Checklist
question are already answered, documentation seems complete. ;-)
<<
The last sentence and the emoticon are of course directed towards the
secretary. I don't blame you for this. But it should be very plain that
this will not work. The secretary cannot replace open debate on mb-style.
He would become the bottleneck of the whole process.
I do not know how exactly it happened, but I have become the one who has
to decide whether a style issue passes or not. I never wanted to do this,
and I was not appointed to do it. If anyone can decide, then Robert. But
Robert has so much to do that he will be an even thinner bottleneck
(anyone who has seen us two in person, will, of course, object ;-) ).
What I wanted to do was to observe the discussion and summarize consensus.
The Checklist was intended as a guide for the community. Instead the
checklist has suffocated discussions, people go through the chelist by
themselves, present it to me and I have to make a decision. This is
bullshit. It does not work.
So what to do now? I reall do not know. My great hope is that we can
invent a new procedure for style issues that works more along the lines of
fixing bugs and less along those of discussing things to death or a
controlling secretary.
I am prepared to put a lot of work into this but please do not lean back
and watch Don struggle. Please, if I start to do things in a certain way,
do not assume that now I (or any other secretary) will have to do them
until the end of time. Instead, if it has worked, do it yourself next
time. Please tread in my footsteps if it makes sense and take new paths if
it does not.
I think it still makes sense to tackle one style issue at a time. I think
we should start with Luks' arrangement proposal (or rather close it). And
here already, I have to point out that I do not claim to be the one who
decides which comes next. Make your proposals and discuss this!
I like Stefan's proposal of quick chat sessions, especially if combined
with editing on test.
I think the checklist still is helpful, but only if it guides public
debate on mb-style.
Consensus should still be the thing that makes a style change pass.
Remember that I cannot create consensus. I can only observe that there is
consensus or not. The OK from the secretary is there to prevent that
someone claims that there is consensus just because people have ceased to
object out of fatigue. That's all.
So if you seek out consensus about a style issue, do so on mb-style and
address everybody here.
I think the tickets on trac are helpful to tackle style issues one after
the other in order of importance, but they can never replace lively debate
here.
DonRedman
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frustrated. My appointed job is to make sure the process of fixing style
issues follows a certain procedure. But if this procedure is fucked up,
then this job is hell for both me and you.
The only possible conclusion to me is: The rules don't work. It is not
even worth to try to play along them. We need a new practice and we need
it *now*.
Just to show you how fucked up the current practice is (and please note
that I am very calm and am not accusing anybody now) observe this new
ticket that Fuchs entered: <http://test.musicbrainz.org/trac/ticket/1053>.
>>
As the result of the discussion on the
[http://lists.musicbrainz.org/pipermail/musicbrainz-
users/2006-January/022525.html mailinglist] I added a proposal that
incorporated the old [http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/UntitledBootlegStyle
UntitledBootlegStyle] with the new ideas.
This proposal is explained in detail at:
[http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/LiveBootlegStyle LiveBootlegStyle]. Checklist
question are already answered, documentation seems complete. ;-)
<<
The last sentence and the emoticon are of course directed towards the
secretary. I don't blame you for this. But it should be very plain that
this will not work. The secretary cannot replace open debate on mb-style.
He would become the bottleneck of the whole process.
I do not know how exactly it happened, but I have become the one who has
to decide whether a style issue passes or not. I never wanted to do this,
and I was not appointed to do it. If anyone can decide, then Robert. But
Robert has so much to do that he will be an even thinner bottleneck
(anyone who has seen us two in person, will, of course, object ;-) ).
What I wanted to do was to observe the discussion and summarize consensus.
The Checklist was intended as a guide for the community. Instead the
checklist has suffocated discussions, people go through the chelist by
themselves, present it to me and I have to make a decision. This is
bullshit. It does not work.
So what to do now? I reall do not know. My great hope is that we can
invent a new procedure for style issues that works more along the lines of
fixing bugs and less along those of discussing things to death or a
controlling secretary.
I am prepared to put a lot of work into this but please do not lean back
and watch Don struggle. Please, if I start to do things in a certain way,
do not assume that now I (or any other secretary) will have to do them
until the end of time. Instead, if it has worked, do it yourself next
time. Please tread in my footsteps if it makes sense and take new paths if
it does not.
I think it still makes sense to tackle one style issue at a time. I think
we should start with Luks' arrangement proposal (or rather close it). And
here already, I have to point out that I do not claim to be the one who
decides which comes next. Make your proposals and discuss this!
I like Stefan's proposal of quick chat sessions, especially if combined
with editing on test.
I think the checklist still is helpful, but only if it guides public
debate on mb-style.
Consensus should still be the thing that makes a style change pass.
Remember that I cannot create consensus. I can only observe that there is
consensus or not. The OK from the secretary is there to prevent that
someone claims that there is consensus just because people have ceased to
object out of fatigue. That's all.
So if you seek out consensus about a style issue, do so on mb-style and
address everybody here.
I think the tickets on trac are helpful to tackle style issues one after
the other in order of importance, but they can never replace lively debate
here.
DonRedman
--
Words that are written in CamelCase refer to WikiPages:
Visit http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/ the best MusicBrainz documentation
around! :-)
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