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> 1. Insider (Jim Dorrance)
> 2. Re: Insider (George Tiller)
> 3. Re: Insider (Mehboob Alam)
> 4. Re: Insider (Lee Hinde)
> 5. Re: Insider (Mehboob Alam)
> 6. Re: Insider (Mehboob Alam)
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> Message: 1
> Subject: Insider
> Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 19:04:02 +0200
> From: Jim Dorrance <
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> Hi,
>
> I have made my living for the last 15 years by optimizing 3rd party
> vertical applications for others. The lack of Insider for v11 has
> effectively cut off my ability to make a living optimizing other's
> work.
>
> Are there any other developers out there who make a living working
> with other people's code? Or who need a cross-reference tool?
>
>
> --
> Jim Dorrance
>
jim.dorrance@...
> www.4d.dorrance.eu
> www.dorrance.eu
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Subject: Re: Insider
> Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 13:21:59 -0400
> From: George Tiller <
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> To: "4D Biz" <
4d_biz@...>
> Message-ID: <
20090411172200.8B7DCDF7C89@...>
>
> Yes, I do.
>
>
> On 4/11/09 1:04 PM,
jim.dorrance@... wrote:
>
>>I have made my living for the last 15 years by optimizing 3rd party
>>vertical applications for others. The lack of Insider for v11 has
>>effectively cut off my ability to make a living optimizing other's
>>work.
>>
>>Are there any other developers out there who make a living working
>>with other people's code? Or who need a cross-reference tool?
>
>
>
> George Tiller
> 911 East A Street
> Brunswick, Maryland 21716
> 301-834-8170
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Subject: Re: Insider
> Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 14:05:32 -0400
> From: Mehboob Alam <
malam@...>
> To: 4D Biz <
4d_biz@...>
> Message-ID:
> <
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> Just need a complete set of tools, whether working for someone else or
> so. Perhaps all this will be more feasible when v12 arrives, but for
> the meantime, I expect to have to write some of my own.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Subject: Re: Insider
> Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 11:12:54 -0700
> From: Lee Hinde <
leelists@...>
> To: 4D Biz <
4d_biz@...>
> Message-ID: <
2909CFC5-52F3-458A-BDF2-38F6521E1F10@...>
>
> On Apr 11, 2009, at 11:05 AM, Mehboob Alam wrote:
>
>> Just need a complete set of tools, whether working for someone else or
>> so. Perhaps all this will be more feasible when v12 arrives, but for
>> the meantime, I expect to have to write some of my own.
>
> Let me know what you come up with. One of the changes that is biting
> me on an upgrade is that Input Form([table];"nonexistantform") now
> throws an error if the form doesn't exist. yet, there's no way to see
> if the form exists before calling Input Form.
>
> It's the 80% rule.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Subject: Re: Insider
> Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 23:20:59 -0400
> From: Mehboob Alam <
malam@...>
> To: 4D Biz <
4d_biz@...>
> Message-ID:
> <
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>
> Well, the bits and pieces are out there.. I'm trying to figure out if
> they can be put together into a cohesive set of code and methodology,
> and along with third-party tools for other platforms, the germs of the
> whole thing are starting to take place.
>
> My current tool of choice for cross-referencing code is AutoDoc, from Committed.
>
http://www.committedsoftware.com/autodoc.html>
> I have not tried to use the XML portion of AutoDoc, but there are some
> ideas there.
>
> Also, for documenting structure schema etc. I'm looking at converting
> the 4D structure into MySQL, and then using some better tools on that
> side to do things. This may seem like a long-winded way to do things,
> but it may give me ideas for what's missing on the 4D side.
>
> Of course, all this would be more useful if we could collaborate, but
> I'd prefer to avoid a publicly discussed forum where there's a lot of
> talk and little action.
>
> - m.
>
> On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 2:12 PM, Lee Hinde <
leelists@...> wrote:
>> On Apr 11, 2009, at 11:05 AM, Mehboob Alam wrote:
>>
>>> Just need a complete set of tools, whether working for someone else or
>>> so. Perhaps all this will be more feasible when v12 arrives, but for
>>> the meantime, I expect to have to write some of my own.
>>
>> Let me know what you come up with. One of the changes that is biting me on
>> an upgrade is that Input Form([table];"nonexistantform") now throws an error
>> if the form doesn't exist. yet, there's no way to see if the form exists
>> before calling Input Form.
>>
>> It's the 80% rule.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Subject: Re: Insider
> Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 23:24:18 -0400
> From: Mehboob Alam <
malam@...>
> To: 4D Biz <
4d_biz@...>
> Message-ID:
> <
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>
> For things that don't work or are missing, I expect to start filing a
> seriously long list of feature requests, now that 11.4 is out. That's
> the benefit of being a Partner, right?
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 2:12 PM, Lee Hinde <
leelists@...> wrote:
>> On Apr 11, 2009, at 11:05 AM, Mehboob Alam wrote:
>>
>>> Just need a complete set of tools, whether working for someone else or
>>> so. Perhaps all this will be more feasible when v12 arrives, but for
>>> the meantime, I expect to have to write some of my own.
>>
>> Let me know what you come up with. One of the changes that is biting me on
>> an upgrade is that Input Form([table];"nonexistantform") now throws an error
>> if the form doesn't exist. yet, there's no way to see if the form exists
>> before calling Input Form.
>>
>> It's the 80% rule.
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