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> Subject: Re: Islam is ideology not religion
> Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 02:34:43 -0800
> From: Max Morrison <
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> To: 4D Pub <
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> On Mar 15, 2009, at 6:58 PM, Chuck Miller wrote:
>
>> OK enough already I know that this is a pub list, but continual
>> posting only raise everyones ire.
>
> I apologize in advance... but who the hell are you, Mr Miller?
>
> Continual posting *only* raises everyone's ire!?
>
> I'm gonna take a swag and suppose that either some subset of lurkers
> who can't apparently be energetic and self-responsible enough to
> filter a conversation on a so-far-off-Broadway list, though still
> capable of emailing you to indirectly vent their pathetic frustration,
> swayed your sympathies; or somebody of apparent importance in some
> small mini-verse issued an edict, no doubt for reasons usually similar
> to such as I've already alluded; or you're on a one-admin crusade,
> which itself is not altogether impossible, I submit, given the
> generalization above.
>
> Whatever.
>
> But do please try to get beyond the presumptions and prejudice that
> you can ever speak for "everyone" in matters in which you are clearly
> lacking creditability.
>
> Whatever responsibilities you may claim, defining to what lengths
> people may speak, if they comport good conduct, in this entertainment
> venue (i. e., "4D Pub... have fun." (to quote the faq)) is not among
> them -- well at least not until you change the faq. If you presume to
> care so much about peoples' feelings then cultivate that sense of
> responsibility and sensitivity for everyone's feelings. Of course
> it'll take more work and you'll have to invest more precious time
> tracking the discussion, perhaps having to remind posters to be
> sensitive to those who merely lurk as well, perhaps issuing warnings
> about straying into dangerous corners when necessary, perhaps
> refraining from engagement though you might otherwise like to. But
> that's the rub -- it's real work to manage discussions, as opposed to
> merely judging their utility for those who think as you.
>
>
>> It is pointless.
>
> Just like that... without so much as a passing acknowledgment to a
> notion of a possibility of some potentially greater value beyond your
> personal judgements.
>
> What is truly pointless is giving up. Doubtless that truism has not
> escaped you, in other ways more meritorious and profitable shall I
> say; doubtless that's why you've been afforded such power.
>
> If you can not manage discussions to a degree beyond arbitrary
> subjective judgments, then your true value to the position and those
> of us whom must abide you is itself pointless.
>
>
>
>> Additional postings will lead to suspension of posting privileges to
>> all lists
>
> So it's not enough... if posters continue to engage in this peaceful,
> quasi-personal, and sanctioned dialog (or did I miss the no-religion
> section of the faq?), not only will they be riffed from this forum,
> but they'll be arbitrarily banned from forums entirely unrelated. And
> why, precisely, Mr Miller? Did you not ever hear of the notion of the
> punishment (guiltless though it be in this instance) matching or being
> appropriate to the crime? Does the irony of this very discussion, the
> vast subject of intolerance, ignorance and might makes right not yet
> resound ponderously in your mind?
>
> No doubt like any of us you're a fine and caring and valuable
> individual, in your views as much as your deeds. And I'm gonna make
> sure I remember that so I don't jump to any conclusion about you, your
> views, or your deeds, if by chance you happen to engage in rather
> short but entertaining conversation on any topics truly beyond your
> ability to completely grasp or dismiss.
>
>
>>
>>
>> Chuck wearing iTech list admin hat
>
>
> max
