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Re: Cannot tune DVB-T with a recent kaffeine and 2.6.28
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2009/1/11 Pavel Troller <patrol@...>:
> Hi!
>
>> i just have a question: why do you want to use kaffein 32bit on a
>> 64bit system when you have
>> a 64bit kaffeine available?
>
> Yes, I understand your questions. Let me explain this.
>
>>if you don't have a 64bit system i wonder why you're using a 64bit kernel.
>
> I didn't say that I don't have 64bit system. In fact, I have almost fully
> 64bit system. The only major part, which still remains on 32bit, is KDE.
> Even X.org and other essential support things are 64bit. KDE uses just the
> 32bit compatibility libraries.
>this is a little strange to still have it 32bit since it has been
working for years very well on 64bit,
but it's not my issue.
>> it's stupid to have a 32bit system run on a 64bit kernel if you don't
>> need some particular 32bit
>
> Of course, it is. But it is a question of time to convert all the system
> to 64bit, you have to recompile all this. I've made a decision, that I will
> switch KDE to 64bit together with a switch to KDE4. However, I still didn't
> make this switch, because I still think that KDE3.5.10 is better for my
> users than KDE4. BTW, kaffeine is still not ported to KDE4, I think.
>
kaffeine has now in development kaffeine4 which is the full port. the
development on the
old one is still for what i know, with exception of major bugs. the
kaffeine4 port has some
major lacks, like the advancement of 10secs with the keys, the
playlist, but has dvb support
and is able to play whatever file xine-lib handles. for kaffeine to
work you just need kdelibs
kdepimlibs and maybe some kdemultimedia packages, so it's not a full kde rebuild
>> proprietary application. and also in that case is stupid to use a
>> 32bit system on a 64bit kernel.
>
> Fully agree. As I've explained, I'm not doing it.
>
>> usually every 64bit distro provides a way to install 32bit proprietary
>> packages like acrobat reader
>
> Yes, but you mean that I'm using some of the common distros. It's not right
> assumption in this case :-). I'm not using any common distro.
>well, if you're compiling your own packages then maybe gentoo is a
good choice for you.
it handles a lot of packages that you actually compile them with
optimizations for your
pc and with an automated system. i think that it would do very well for you.
>> or oracle (these are still 2 that don't have a 64bit counterpart, for
>> now) and run as on 32bit systems.
>> so i think that if you want to use a 64bit kernel you'd better install
>> a 64bit system and install kaffeine
>> 64bit binaries and not 32bit ones.
>
> I cannot install 64bit kaffeine until I compile most of the KDE for 64bit.
> As I told, I don't want it for 3.5, I think it's a waste of time. I want
> to do it for KDE4.x, but, I think the time for it didn't come yet. And,
> one of the reasons is that kaffeine is still not KDE4 compatible.
>as i've said before, the old version is not qt4 based => not kde4 based.
> So, I still think that this should work, otherwise all the 64/32 compat
> stuff would be useless. It's there just for similar cases, and this is clearly
> a bug or yet-not-done thing.
>
well, i might be wrong but i think that for a 32bit to access a kernel
module, that
has to be 32bit and not 64bit. maybe doing a 32 bit chroot could be your choice.
--
dott. ing. beso
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> Hi!
>
>> i just have a question: why do you want to use kaffein 32bit on a
>> 64bit system when you have
>> a 64bit kaffeine available?
>
> Yes, I understand your questions. Let me explain this.
>
>>if you don't have a 64bit system i wonder why you're using a 64bit kernel.
>
> I didn't say that I don't have 64bit system. In fact, I have almost fully
> 64bit system. The only major part, which still remains on 32bit, is KDE.
> Even X.org and other essential support things are 64bit. KDE uses just the
> 32bit compatibility libraries.
>
working for years very well on 64bit,
but it's not my issue.
>> it's stupid to have a 32bit system run on a 64bit kernel if you don't
>> need some particular 32bit
>
> Of course, it is. But it is a question of time to convert all the system
> to 64bit, you have to recompile all this. I've made a decision, that I will
> switch KDE to 64bit together with a switch to KDE4. However, I still didn't
> make this switch, because I still think that KDE3.5.10 is better for my
> users than KDE4. BTW, kaffeine is still not ported to KDE4, I think.
>
kaffeine has now in development kaffeine4 which is the full port. the
development on the
old one is still for what i know, with exception of major bugs. the
kaffeine4 port has some
major lacks, like the advancement of 10secs with the keys, the
playlist, but has dvb support
and is able to play whatever file xine-lib handles. for kaffeine to
work you just need kdelibs
kdepimlibs and maybe some kdemultimedia packages, so it's not a full kde rebuild
>> proprietary application. and also in that case is stupid to use a
>> 32bit system on a 64bit kernel.
>
> Fully agree. As I've explained, I'm not doing it.
>
>> usually every 64bit distro provides a way to install 32bit proprietary
>> packages like acrobat reader
>
> Yes, but you mean that I'm using some of the common distros. It's not right
> assumption in this case :-). I'm not using any common distro.
>
good choice for you.
it handles a lot of packages that you actually compile them with
optimizations for your
pc and with an automated system. i think that it would do very well for you.
>> or oracle (these are still 2 that don't have a 64bit counterpart, for
>> now) and run as on 32bit systems.
>> so i think that if you want to use a 64bit kernel you'd better install
>> a 64bit system and install kaffeine
>> 64bit binaries and not 32bit ones.
>
> I cannot install 64bit kaffeine until I compile most of the KDE for 64bit.
> As I told, I don't want it for 3.5, I think it's a waste of time. I want
> to do it for KDE4.x, but, I think the time for it didn't come yet. And,
> one of the reasons is that kaffeine is still not KDE4 compatible.
>
> So, I still think that this should work, otherwise all the 64/32 compat
> stuff would be useless. It's there just for similar cases, and this is clearly
> a bug or yet-not-done thing.
>
well, i might be wrong but i think that for a 32bit to access a kernel
module, that
has to be 32bit and not 64bit. maybe doing a 32 bit chroot could be your choice.
--
dott. ing. beso
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