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Re: Concerns about Zend_Filter_Input
by Simon Mundy
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I've got to say I agree Kevin.
In the leadup to 0.9 there's been a few issues raised on several
components that I feel should be adopted for 1.0 and I'm not quite
sure that the impending release schedule should dictate their
inclusion/exclusion.
Take Db_Table, for example. Bill's busting a boiler getting the new
branch out the door for 0.9 but then that still leaves little time
between 0.9 and 1.0 for a sufficiently large audience of developers
to put it through its paces and perhaps make suggestions for minor
functionality tweaks.
I'd agree with a 0.9.5 (RC 1) and perhaps 0.9.6 (RC 2) to allow one
last revision to APIs on the major components (not saying they all
need it, but perhaps it's time to revisit the framework with fresh
eyes to ensure it is watertight) and to tie up loose ends. After all,
those who are not on the bleeding edge are still waiting for 0.9 to
be released with a _lot_ of changes and additions that need roadtesting.
> Why the push to 1.0 so fast, when things can't as readily be
> changed after?
>
> With so many changes in 0.8 and now some serious 0.9 changes, might
> make sense to slow down the run-up to 1.0 a bit. If not, then the
> same level of change will occur post 1.0 and instead of point
> releases, there'll be a bi-monthly majorversion jump.
>
> I'd propose a 0.8.5, 0.9.5 and 0.9.9 before 1.0 might give time to
> get all the API changes out of the way.
>
> $0.02
>
> Kevin
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Karwin" <bill.k@...>
> To: "Ed Finkler" <coj@...>
> Cc: "Zend FW Core List" <fw-core@...>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 12:58 PM
> Subject: RE: [fw-core] Concerns about Zend_Filter_Input
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Ed Finkler [mailto:coj@...]
>>
>> Let me reiterate my second question:
>>
>> "2) Will a similar replacement component, one that forces developers
> to
>> access user input via a filtering API, be included in the 1.0RC?"
>
> No, there will not be such a component in ZF 1.0.
>
> We're very close to our scheduled feature-freeze for Zend Framework
> 1.0
> (March 15). A solution to satisfy the use case you describe is not
> going to be implemented by our deadline.
>
>> Can any of the filter classes that are now part of the ZFW process
>> arrays? All of the usage cases I see are handling scalars.
>
> Right, currently the Zend_Filter classes operate on scalars. Using
> these classes to apply filtering and validation to arrays or other
> aggregations of data is left for the developer to do, in a manner
> appropriate for his application.
>
> We encourage proposals for solutions that utilize the Zend_Filter and
> Zend_Validate classes, to apply filtering and validation to
> aggregations
> of input data. So far there has been discussion, but no design has
> been
> formally proposed.
>
> We will evaluate the proposals and a solution will be added in a
> future
> release of Zend Framework (e.g. 1.1 or later).
>
> Regards,
> Bill Karwin
--
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In the leadup to 0.9 there's been a few issues raised on several
components that I feel should be adopted for 1.0 and I'm not quite
sure that the impending release schedule should dictate their
inclusion/exclusion.
Take Db_Table, for example. Bill's busting a boiler getting the new
branch out the door for 0.9 but then that still leaves little time
between 0.9 and 1.0 for a sufficiently large audience of developers
to put it through its paces and perhaps make suggestions for minor
functionality tweaks.
I'd agree with a 0.9.5 (RC 1) and perhaps 0.9.6 (RC 2) to allow one
last revision to APIs on the major components (not saying they all
need it, but perhaps it's time to revisit the framework with fresh
eyes to ensure it is watertight) and to tie up loose ends. After all,
those who are not on the bleeding edge are still waiting for 0.9 to
be released with a _lot_ of changes and additions that need roadtesting.
> Why the push to 1.0 so fast, when things can't as readily be
> changed after?
>
> With so many changes in 0.8 and now some serious 0.9 changes, might
> make sense to slow down the run-up to 1.0 a bit. If not, then the
> same level of change will occur post 1.0 and instead of point
> releases, there'll be a bi-monthly majorversion jump.
>
> I'd propose a 0.8.5, 0.9.5 and 0.9.9 before 1.0 might give time to
> get all the API changes out of the way.
>
> $0.02
>
> Kevin
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Karwin" <bill.k@...>
> To: "Ed Finkler" <coj@...>
> Cc: "Zend FW Core List" <fw-core@...>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 12:58 PM
> Subject: RE: [fw-core] Concerns about Zend_Filter_Input
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Ed Finkler [mailto:coj@...]
>>
>> Let me reiterate my second question:
>>
>> "2) Will a similar replacement component, one that forces developers
> to
>> access user input via a filtering API, be included in the 1.0RC?"
>
> No, there will not be such a component in ZF 1.0.
>
> We're very close to our scheduled feature-freeze for Zend Framework
> 1.0
> (March 15). A solution to satisfy the use case you describe is not
> going to be implemented by our deadline.
>
>> Can any of the filter classes that are now part of the ZFW process
>> arrays? All of the usage cases I see are handling scalars.
>
> Right, currently the Zend_Filter classes operate on scalars. Using
> these classes to apply filtering and validation to arrays or other
> aggregations of data is left for the developer to do, in a manner
> appropriate for his application.
>
> We encourage proposals for solutions that utilize the Zend_Filter and
> Zend_Validate classes, to apply filtering and validation to
> aggregations
> of input data. So far there has been discussion, but no design has
> been
> formally proposed.
>
> We will evaluate the proposals and a solution will be added in a
> future
> release of Zend Framework (e.g. 1.1 or later).
>
> Regards,
> Bill Karwin
--
Simon Mundy | Director | PEPTOLAB
""" " "" """""" "" "" """"""" " "" """"" " """"" " """""" "" "
202/258 Flinders Lane | Melbourne | Victoria | Australia | 3000
Voice +61 (0) 3 9654 4324 | Mobile 0438 046 061 | Fax +61 (0) 3 9654
4124
http://www.peptolab.com
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