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Hi Brent and
Stathis,
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009
1:35 AM
Subject: Re: Personal Identity and
Ethics
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> There's no inconsistency between
the universe being quantum mechanical,
> while human thought processes
are essentially classical. The classical
> world emerges from the
quantum in the limit of large action.
>
> Brent
Meeker
Ok, my
difficulty lies in the notion of "copying". If we are going to use a method
X to derive a conclusion, does it not make sense that X must be sound? QM
forbids the cloning or copying of states:
"The no cloning theorem is a
result of quantum mechanics which forbids the creation of identical
copies of an arbitrary unknown quantum state. It was stated by Wootters, Zurek, and Dieks in 1982, and has profound implications in
quantum computing and related fields.
The state of one system can be
entangled with the state of another system. For
instance, one can use the Controlled NOT gate and the Walsh-Hadamard gate to entangle two qubits. This is not
cloning. No well-defined state can be attributed to a subsystem of an entangled
state. Cloning is a process whose end result is a separable state with identical factors.
.....
"No-cloning
in a classical context
There is a classical analogue to the
quantum no-cloning theorem, which we might state as follows: given only the
result of one flip of a (possibly biased) coin, we cannot simulate a second,
independent toss of the same coin. The proof of this statement uses the
linearity of classical probability, and has exactly the same structure as the
proof of the quantum no-cloning theorem. Thus if we wish to claim that
no-cloning is a uniquely quantum result, some care is necessary in stating the
theorem. One way of restricting the result to quantum mechanics is to restrict
the states to pure states, where a pure state is defined to be one that is not a
convex combination of other states. The classical pure states
are pairwise orthogonal, but quantum pure states are not."
How does a limit of
large action change this?
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009
1:19 AM
Subject: Re: Personal Identity and
Ethics
> The
psychological criterion of personal identity is, or should be,
> agnostic
on the question of how consciousness is actually generated.
> It says
simply that if I am destroyed here and a copy of me with the
> same
psychological properties is created there, then I will suddenly
> find
myself there. It is possible to accept this criterion but deny
> that the
right sort of psychological properties could be duplicated in
> a
computer, or by any physical means at all if there is a supernatural
>
element involved in consciousness. What I find incoherent is the idea
>
that the psychological properties might be able to be duplicated but
>
nevertheless there is no continuity of identity because the soul
> cannot
be duplicated.
>
>
> --
> Stathis
Papaioannou
"Imperfect
cloning
Even though it is impossible to make
perfect copies of an unknown quantum state, it is possible to produce imperfect
copies. This can be done by coupling a larger auxiliary system to the system
that is to be cloned, and applying a unitary transformation to the combined system. If the unitary
transformation is chosen correctly, several components of the combined system
will evolve into approximate copies of the original system. Imperfect cloning
can be used as an eavesdropping attack on quantum cryptography protocols, among
other uses in quantum information science."
Does
this allow us to recover our method X? No, because unless the copy is
"identical", not just "approximate", we can not conclude that any notion
of continuance of consciousness might obtain.
Onward!
Stephen
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