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	Re: Credit Cards by B. Perkins :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message George, Make sure your Government Customer can pay via PayPal. Where I work it is not allowed. There are exceptions, but they typically involve filling out a PR with sole source justification for the purchase and proof that no other payment options are available. In repeat cases we're typically told to set up a contract with the vendor. I assume that your customer is trying to get away from that. If this is a regular customer you may have to set up your own CC billing or find a third-party payment service that is acceptable. A number of consultants we work with have done this. -- Brad Perkins ******************************************************************** Final days - Save up to 20% when upgrading from 4D 2003 to 4D v11 SQL http://www.4d.com/purchase/offer-2003.html 4th Dimension Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) FAQ: http://www.4d.com/support/faqnug.html Archive: http://lists.4D.com/archives.html Unsub: mailto:4D_Biz-Unsubscribe@... Post: mailto:4D_Biz@... Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/listinfo/4d_biz ********************************************************************
	Re: Credit Cards by George Tiller :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message On 3/20/09 11:30 AM, bperkins@... wrote: >Make sure your Government Customer can pay via PayPal. Where I work it is >not allowed. There are exceptions, but they typically involve filling out >a PR with sole source justification for the purchase and proof that no >other payment options are available. In repeat cases we're typically told >to set up a contract with the vendor. I assume that your customer is >trying to get away from that. > >If this is a regular customer you may have to set up your own CC billing >or find a third-party payment service that is acceptable. A number of >consultants we work with have done this. Thanks Brad, I believe that my customer is really talking about Visa, MasterCard, or American Express credit cards. They didn't mention PayPal. The government has been saving costs on small purchases by using credit cards rather than going through complicated paperwork that really costs the taxpayer more (like the $800 hammers made famous a while back). My one long-term client at NIH has been issuing small purchase orders for $2500.00 to pay me. These small PO's don't require a long approval process, so they can be issued quickly and without much trouble. When I get close to the $2500 in billing, they just go and start a new PO for further work. My new client told me that, if I accepted credit cards, they could just put my Invoice on a payment list for small purchases, and send it to accounts payable, and then accounts payable would use their credit card to pay my invoice quickly. George Tiller 911 East A Street Brunswick, Maryland 21716 301-834-8170 ******************************************************************** Final days - Save up to 20% when upgrading from 4D 2003 to 4D v11 SQL http://www.4d.com/purchase/offer-2003.html 4th Dimension Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) FAQ: http://www.4d.com/support/faqnug.html Archive: http://lists.4D.com/archives.html Unsub: mailto:4D_Biz-Unsubscribe@... Post: mailto:4D_Biz@... Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/listinfo/4d_biz ********************************************************************
	Re: Credit Cards by Lee Hinde-2 :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message The customer can use regular credit cards with PayPal. They don't need to have a PayPal account (beyond a login, perhaps), but you will. On Mar 20, 2009, at 9:19 AM, George Tiller wrote: > On 3/20/09 11:30 AM, bperkins@... wrote: > >> Make sure your Government Customer can pay via PayPal. Where I work >> it is >> not allowed. There are exceptions, but they typically involve >> filling out >> a PR with sole source justification for the purchase and proof that >> no >> other payment options are available. In repeat cases we're >> typically told >> to set up a contract with the vendor. I assume that your customer is >> trying to get away from that. >> >> If this is a regular customer you may have to set up your own CC >> billing >> or find a third-party payment service that is acceptable. A number of >> consultants we work with have done this. > > Thanks Brad, I believe that my customer is really talking about Visa, > MasterCard, or American Express credit cards. They didn't mention > PayPal. > > The government has been saving costs on small purchases by using > credit > cards rather than going through complicated paperwork that really > costs > the taxpayer more (like the $800 hammers made famous a while back). > > My one long-term client at NIH has been issuing small purchase > orders for > $2500.00 to pay me. These small PO's don't require a long approval > process, so they can be issued quickly and without much trouble. > When I > get close to the $2500 in billing, they just go and start a new PO for > further work. > > My new client told me that, if I accepted credit cards, they could > just > put my Invoice on a payment list for small purchases, and send it to > accounts payable, and then accounts payable would use their credit > card > to pay my invoice quickly. > > > > George Tiller > 911 East A Street > Brunswick, Maryland 21716 > 301-834-8170 > > ******************************************************************** > Final days - Save up to 20% when upgrading from > 4D 2003 to 4D v11 SQL http://www.4d.com/purchase/offer-2003.html > > 4th Dimension Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) > FAQ: http://www.4d.com/support/faqnug.html > Archive: http://lists.4D.com/archives.html > Unsub: mailto:4D_Biz-Unsubscribe@... > Post: mailto:4D_Biz@... > Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/listinfo/4d_biz > ****************************************************************** ****************************************************************** Final days - Save up to 20% when upgrading from 4D 2003 to 4D v11 SQL http://www.4d.com/purchase/offer-2003.html 4th Dimension Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) FAQ: http://www.4d.com/support/faqnug.html Archive: http://lists.4D.com/archives.html Unsub: mailto:4D_Biz-Unsubscribe@... Post: mailto:4D_Biz@... Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/listinfo/4d_biz ********************************************************************
	Re: Credit Cards by Lyn-3 :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message You don't need a PayPal account login pay for something with your credit card. Lyn On Mar 20, 2009, at 11:23 AM, Lee Hinde wrote: > The customer can use regular credit cards with PayPal. They don't > need to have a PayPal account (beyond a login, perhaps), but you will. ******************************************************************** Final days - Save up to 20% when upgrading from 4D 2003 to 4D v11 SQL http://www.4d.com/purchase/offer-2003.html 4th Dimension Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) FAQ: http://www.4d.com/support/faqnug.html Archive: http://lists.4D.com/archives.html Unsub: mailto:4D_Biz-Unsubscribe@... Post: mailto:4D_Biz@... Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/listinfo/4d_biz ********************************************************************
	Re: Credit Cards by George Tiller :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message On 3/20/09 12:23 PM, leelists@... wrote: >The customer can use regular credit cards with PayPal. They don't >need to have a PayPal account (beyond a login, perhaps), but you will. > This sounds like PayPal will take their percent off the top, and also the credit card company will take their % too. I'm not sure I'd want to give away that much money just to make it convenient. But of course, it all depends on what the total percent taken off would be. George Tiller 911 East A Street Brunswick, Maryland 21716 301-834-8170 ******************************************************************** Final days - Save up to 20% when upgrading from 4D 2003 to 4D v11 SQL http://www.4d.com/purchase/offer-2003.html 4th Dimension Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) FAQ: http://www.4d.com/support/faqnug.html Archive: http://lists.4D.com/archives.html Unsub: mailto:4D_Biz-Unsubscribe@... Post: mailto:4D_Biz@... Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/listinfo/4d_biz ********************************************************************
	Re: Credit Cards by B. Perkins :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message Lee Hinde Wrote: > The customer can use regular credit cards with PayPal. They don't > need to have a PayPal account (beyond a login, perhaps), but you will. That is correct, but the problem with US Govt issued Credit Cards is that the cardholder is not the card owner and doesn't directly pay the bill. When their card statement shows a charge as "PayPal", which seems to happen when you use a PayPal payment gateway, the person that authotizes and makes the payment rejects it due to some obscure "unallowed purchases" rule that says "no PayPal". Since George mentioned this was a Govt. customer, I just wanted to make sure that he was aware of this. FWIW, we had a vendor that eventually setup a CC account via their bank because of this very situation. They originally used a PayPal payment gateway. -- Brad ******************************************************************** Final days - Save up to 20% when upgrading from 4D 2003 to 4D v11 SQL http://www.4d.com/purchase/offer-2003.html 4th Dimension Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) FAQ: http://www.4d.com/support/faqnug.html Archive: http://lists.4D.com/archives.html Unsub: mailto:4D_Biz-Unsubscribe@... Post: mailto:4D_Biz@... Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/listinfo/4d_biz ********************************************************************

	Re: Credit Cards by B. Perkins :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message George, Make sure your Government Customer can pay via PayPal. Where I work it is not allowed. There are exceptions, but they typically involve filling out a PR with sole source justification for the purchase and proof that no other payment options are available. In repeat cases we're typically told to set up a contract with the vendor. I assume that your customer is trying to get away from that. If this is a regular customer you may have to set up your own CC billing or find a third-party payment service that is acceptable. A number of consultants we work with have done this. -- Brad Perkins ******************************************************************** Final days - Save up to 20% when upgrading from 4D 2003 to 4D v11 SQL http://www.4d.com/purchase/offer-2003.html 4th Dimension Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) FAQ: http://www.4d.com/support/faqnug.html Archive: http://lists.4D.com/archives.html Unsub: mailto:4D_Biz-Unsubscribe@... Post: mailto:4D_Biz@... Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/listinfo/4d_biz ********************************************************************
	Re: Credit Cards by George Tiller :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message On 3/20/09 11:30 AM, bperkins@... wrote: >Make sure your Government Customer can pay via PayPal. Where I work it is >not allowed. There are exceptions, but they typically involve filling out >a PR with sole source justification for the purchase and proof that no >other payment options are available. In repeat cases we're typically told >to set up a contract with the vendor. I assume that your customer is >trying to get away from that. > >If this is a regular customer you may have to set up your own CC billing >or find a third-party payment service that is acceptable. A number of >consultants we work with have done this. Thanks Brad, I believe that my customer is really talking about Visa, MasterCard, or American Express credit cards. They didn't mention PayPal. The government has been saving costs on small purchases by using credit cards rather than going through complicated paperwork that really costs the taxpayer more (like the $800 hammers made famous a while back). My one long-term client at NIH has been issuing small purchase orders for $2500.00 to pay me. These small PO's don't require a long approval process, so they can be issued quickly and without much trouble. When I get close to the $2500 in billing, they just go and start a new PO for further work. My new client told me that, if I accepted credit cards, they could just put my Invoice on a payment list for small purchases, and send it to accounts payable, and then accounts payable would use their credit card to pay my invoice quickly. George Tiller 911 East A Street Brunswick, Maryland 21716 301-834-8170 ******************************************************************** Final days - Save up to 20% when upgrading from 4D 2003 to 4D v11 SQL http://www.4d.com/purchase/offer-2003.html 4th Dimension Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) FAQ: http://www.4d.com/support/faqnug.html Archive: http://lists.4D.com/archives.html Unsub: mailto:4D_Biz-Unsubscribe@... Post: mailto:4D_Biz@... Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/listinfo/4d_biz ********************************************************************
	Re: Credit Cards by Lee Hinde-2 :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message The customer can use regular credit cards with PayPal. They don't need to have a PayPal account (beyond a login, perhaps), but you will. On Mar 20, 2009, at 9:19 AM, George Tiller wrote: > On 3/20/09 11:30 AM, bperkins@... wrote: > >> Make sure your Government Customer can pay via PayPal. Where I work >> it is >> not allowed. There are exceptions, but they typically involve >> filling out >> a PR with sole source justification for the purchase and proof that >> no >> other payment options are available. In repeat cases we're >> typically told >> to set up a contract with the vendor. I assume that your customer is >> trying to get away from that. >> >> If this is a regular customer you may have to set up your own CC >> billing >> or find a third-party payment service that is acceptable. A number of >> consultants we work with have done this. > > Thanks Brad, I believe that my customer is really talking about Visa, > MasterCard, or American Express credit cards. They didn't mention > PayPal. > > The government has been saving costs on small purchases by using > credit > cards rather than going through complicated paperwork that really > costs > the taxpayer more (like the $800 hammers made famous a while back). > > My one long-term client at NIH has been issuing small purchase > orders for > $2500.00 to pay me. These small PO's don't require a long approval > process, so they can be issued quickly and without much trouble. > When I > get close to the $2500 in billing, they just go and start a new PO for > further work. > > My new client told me that, if I accepted credit cards, they could > just > put my Invoice on a payment list for small purchases, and send it to > accounts payable, and then accounts payable would use their credit > card > to pay my invoice quickly. > > > > George Tiller > 911 East A Street > Brunswick, Maryland 21716 > 301-834-8170 > > ******************************************************************** > Final days - Save up to 20% when upgrading from > 4D 2003 to 4D v11 SQL http://www.4d.com/purchase/offer-2003.html > > 4th Dimension Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) > FAQ: http://www.4d.com/support/faqnug.html > Archive: http://lists.4D.com/archives.html > Unsub: mailto:4D_Biz-Unsubscribe@... > Post: mailto:4D_Biz@... > Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/listinfo/4d_biz > ****************************************************************** ****************************************************************** Final days - Save up to 20% when upgrading from 4D 2003 to 4D v11 SQL http://www.4d.com/purchase/offer-2003.html 4th Dimension Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) FAQ: http://www.4d.com/support/faqnug.html Archive: http://lists.4D.com/archives.html Unsub: mailto:4D_Biz-Unsubscribe@... Post: mailto:4D_Biz@... Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/listinfo/4d_biz ********************************************************************
	Re: Credit Cards by Lyn-3 :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message You don't need a PayPal account login pay for something with your credit card. Lyn On Mar 20, 2009, at 11:23 AM, Lee Hinde wrote: > The customer can use regular credit cards with PayPal. They don't > need to have a PayPal account (beyond a login, perhaps), but you will. ******************************************************************** Final days - Save up to 20% when upgrading from 4D 2003 to 4D v11 SQL http://www.4d.com/purchase/offer-2003.html 4th Dimension Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) FAQ: http://www.4d.com/support/faqnug.html Archive: http://lists.4D.com/archives.html Unsub: mailto:4D_Biz-Unsubscribe@... Post: mailto:4D_Biz@... Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/listinfo/4d_biz ********************************************************************
	Re: Credit Cards by George Tiller :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message On 3/20/09 12:23 PM, leelists@... wrote: >The customer can use regular credit cards with PayPal. They don't >need to have a PayPal account (beyond a login, perhaps), but you will. > This sounds like PayPal will take their percent off the top, and also the credit card company will take their % too. I'm not sure I'd want to give away that much money just to make it convenient. But of course, it all depends on what the total percent taken off would be. George Tiller 911 East A Street Brunswick, Maryland 21716 301-834-8170 ******************************************************************** Final days - Save up to 20% when upgrading from 4D 2003 to 4D v11 SQL http://www.4d.com/purchase/offer-2003.html 4th Dimension Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) FAQ: http://www.4d.com/support/faqnug.html Archive: http://lists.4D.com/archives.html Unsub: mailto:4D_Biz-Unsubscribe@... Post: mailto:4D_Biz@... Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/listinfo/4d_biz ********************************************************************
	Re: Credit Cards by B. Perkins :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message Lee Hinde Wrote: > The customer can use regular credit cards with PayPal. They don't > need to have a PayPal account (beyond a login, perhaps), but you will. That is correct, but the problem with US Govt issued Credit Cards is that the cardholder is not the card owner and doesn't directly pay the bill. When their card statement shows a charge as "PayPal", which seems to happen when you use a PayPal payment gateway, the person that authotizes and makes the payment rejects it due to some obscure "unallowed purchases" rule that says "no PayPal". Since George mentioned this was a Govt. customer, I just wanted to make sure that he was aware of this. FWIW, we had a vendor that eventually setup a CC account via their bank because of this very situation. They originally used a PayPal payment gateway. -- Brad ******************************************************************** Final days - Save up to 20% when upgrading from 4D 2003 to 4D v11 SQL http://www.4d.com/purchase/offer-2003.html 4th Dimension Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) FAQ: http://www.4d.com/support/faqnug.html Archive: http://lists.4D.com/archives.html Unsub: mailto:4D_Biz-Unsubscribe@... Post: mailto:4D_Biz@... Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/listinfo/4d_biz ********************************************************************