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Le 17/03/2012 14:43, Chris S. a écrit :
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> On 03/17/2012 01:34 AM, Christian Marillat wrote:
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>> "Chris S."<cs.swenson@...> writes:
>>
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>>> As a new Debian user, I believe I read the following document about
>>> multimedia codes:
>>>
>>> http://wiki.debian.org/MultimediaCodecs
>>>
>>> However, as noted on the following two pages, Debian does not appear to
>>> approve of www.debian-multimedia.org:
>>>
>>> http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMultimedia/FAQ#Common_issues
>>> http://forum.videolan.org/viewtopic.php?t=70719&f=13
>>>
>>> So why would the first page about codecs instruct users to add the
>>> www.debian-multimedia.org repository? Shouldn't this be avoided?
>>> Shouldn't Debian communicate the contrary on all pages?
>>>
>> Instead of saying that, the best would be to report this sort of problem
>> to me or in that list.
>>
>> http://www.debian-multimedia.org/lurker/list/dmo-discussion.en.html
>>
>> FYI, like 15000 users (who uses my repository daily), I don't see any
>> problem between these packages and Debian ones.
>>
>> Also isn't really nice for a newbie to ask that. Maybe you don't
>> understand how Debian packaging works.
>>
>> Christian
>>
> Christian,
>
> I have literally spent weeks trying to figure out why I couldn't install
> VLC and other packages, and it boiled down to packages from
> debian-multimedia.org conflicting with gnome and many other packages.
> Given that this environment is labeled "stable", I think this behavior
> is contradictory to the spirit of stability (especially for poor newbies
> like me).
>
> Further, there is little documentation out there pointing to the
> debian-multimedia.org repository as the source of the problem. I was
> near the point of re-installing Debian from scratch to solve this
> problem, since debian-multimedia.org created conflicts with so many
> packages.
>
> So I firmly believe that debian-multimedia.org is not stable, and it
> would help the Debian community to tell new users not to use it in order
> to avoid frustrating them to the point of leaving the OS. (Those who are
> using it must be using SID or Ubuntu. Otherwise, they don't yet know
> about all the conflicts they have.) I would think we have an interest in
> maintaining the user base.
>Again, the following is only an humble user advice :
Debian multimedia have never been told as a stable repo. People it's not
official repo what
are you waiting here ? UNofficial repository, isn't all the story
expressed in that term ?
Sorry Sthu and others here, but WE users have to face it : there's a
stable branch in Debian,
these days called Wheezy. Anyone can install it and have a STABLE
system. No one can deny it.
But there is ONLY ONE stable branch in Debian... Any move in another
direction/repo/compile-from-home COULD f*** your system, it's written on
the wall in many
man-help-wiki-and so on-stuff : "unless you don't know what you do", get
it now ?
Sorry to be cash/free-spoken so much, be sure I don't want to be
injurious, it's Peaceful here, and
the only point is Freedom, OK ?
Of course, it's the boring side of GPL _if you're from a certain world
where you buy things SUPPOSED to
work in a plug and play !
Yes People, Freedom have a price. But that price doesn't cost any
money... That price could make
every 1 of us better in the set and use each computer, it's just another
approach ! And yes, it takes
a little time and personal investment, many web searches and some
frustration sometime (or not)))
Let me sign : the buddy that have made at least 20 re-install before
understand how it works,
and wish you good luck !
Remember the goal : give People fish VS learn People fishing
Have fun with GPL, do what you like to with the rest ;
Fred
PS & NB : Christian Marillats' advice is welcomed, si tu le juge
nécessaire et souhaitable bien sur !
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> On 03/17/2012 01:34 AM, Christian Marillat wrote:
>
>> "Chris S."<cs.swenson@...> writes:
>>
>>
>>> As a new Debian user, I believe I read the following document about
>>> multimedia codes:
>>>
>>> http://wiki.debian.org/MultimediaCodecs
>>>
>>> However, as noted on the following two pages, Debian does not appear to
>>> approve of www.debian-multimedia.org:
>>>
>>> http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMultimedia/FAQ#Common_issues
>>> http://forum.videolan.org/viewtopic.php?t=70719&f=13
>>>
>>> So why would the first page about codecs instruct users to add the
>>> www.debian-multimedia.org repository? Shouldn't this be avoided?
>>> Shouldn't Debian communicate the contrary on all pages?
>>>
>> Instead of saying that, the best would be to report this sort of problem
>> to me or in that list.
>>
>> http://www.debian-multimedia.org/lurker/list/dmo-discussion.en.html
>>
>> FYI, like 15000 users (who uses my repository daily), I don't see any
>> problem between these packages and Debian ones.
>>
>> Also isn't really nice for a newbie to ask that. Maybe you don't
>> understand how Debian packaging works.
>>
>> Christian
>>
> Christian,
>
> I have literally spent weeks trying to figure out why I couldn't install
> VLC and other packages, and it boiled down to packages from
> debian-multimedia.org conflicting with gnome and many other packages.
> Given that this environment is labeled "stable", I think this behavior
> is contradictory to the spirit of stability (especially for poor newbies
> like me).
>
> Further, there is little documentation out there pointing to the
> debian-multimedia.org repository as the source of the problem. I was
> near the point of re-installing Debian from scratch to solve this
> problem, since debian-multimedia.org created conflicts with so many
> packages.
>
> So I firmly believe that debian-multimedia.org is not stable, and it
> would help the Debian community to tell new users not to use it in order
> to avoid frustrating them to the point of leaving the OS. (Those who are
> using it must be using SID or Ubuntu. Otherwise, they don't yet know
> about all the conflicts they have.) I would think we have an interest in
> maintaining the user base.
>
Debian multimedia have never been told as a stable repo. People it's not
official repo what
are you waiting here ? UNofficial repository, isn't all the story
expressed in that term ?
Sorry Sthu and others here, but WE users have to face it : there's a
stable branch in Debian,
these days called Wheezy. Anyone can install it and have a STABLE
system. No one can deny it.
But there is ONLY ONE stable branch in Debian... Any move in another
direction/repo/compile-from-home COULD f*** your system, it's written on
the wall in many
man-help-wiki-and so on-stuff : "unless you don't know what you do", get
it now ?
Sorry to be cash/free-spoken so much, be sure I don't want to be
injurious, it's Peaceful here, and
the only point is Freedom, OK ?
Of course, it's the boring side of GPL _if you're from a certain world
where you buy things SUPPOSED to
work in a plug and play !
Yes People, Freedom have a price. But that price doesn't cost any
money... That price could make
every 1 of us better in the set and use each computer, it's just another
approach ! And yes, it takes
a little time and personal investment, many web searches and some
frustration sometime (or not)))
Let me sign : the buddy that have made at least 20 re-install before
understand how it works,
and wish you good luck !
Remember the goal : give People fish VS learn People fishing
Have fun with GPL, do what you like to with the rest ;
Fred
PS & NB : Christian Marillats' advice is welcomed, si tu le juge
nécessaire et souhaitable bien sur !
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