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by Ashraf Amayreh
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Certificates are plain waste of time and effort. Especially with things
like the test king that make idiots top scorers, it simply is a waste
of time. Worse yet is certificates which are expensive enough to
prevent some people from getting. To top all that, they simply
concentrate on memory rather than problem solving skills which is what
really distinguishes a good developer from a book worm. I've been a
developer and in two years took on the position of technology expert, I
developed in VB, .NET, JAVA and PHP, I don't much care what language I
program in. Problem solving skills are language neutral.
If I look for a beginner then what I interview is simply a charismatic personality and I try to gouge the effort they put to learn, how they would approach a problem. I could ask about code they attempted to tinker with. Usually assets are the type who have played with a couple of projects or ideas at one time or another. If I look for an expert I simply look at his achievements as well as his personality.
In the end the ultimate decision is not a risk-free endeavor. But I agree with Victor, a company has to be prepared to truly nurture people rather than draining them and expecting perfection and leaving no margins for an error or a delay here or there. When I want someone who I would consider an asset, I would not care in the least what languages he worked with, it usually takes so little time for an exceptional developer to get acquainted with new technology if given a book or a kick start. In case of drupal expertise, just look for someone with contributions such as modules or patches to modules or core. It's that simple.
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If I look for a beginner then what I interview is simply a charismatic personality and I try to gouge the effort they put to learn, how they would approach a problem. I could ask about code they attempted to tinker with. Usually assets are the type who have played with a couple of projects or ideas at one time or another. If I look for an expert I simply look at his achievements as well as his personality.
In the end the ultimate decision is not a risk-free endeavor. But I agree with Victor, a company has to be prepared to truly nurture people rather than draining them and expecting perfection and leaving no margins for an error or a delay here or there. When I want someone who I would consider an asset, I would not care in the least what languages he worked with, it usually takes so little time for an exceptional developer to get acquainted with new technology if given a book or a kick start. In case of drupal expertise, just look for someone with contributions such as modules or patches to modules or core. It's that simple.
On Dec 21, 2007 2:31 PM, Liam McDermott <liam@...> wrote:
Victor Kane wrote:Very interesting reply. I have to say though, it doesn't really seem to
> All posts here are well meaning... but there are a few premises which in
> my opinion are faulty and bear deeper examination.
have much to do with what everyone else was talking about. :)Absolutely and good point. I think that's why most people in this thread
> Drupal's intelligence as being practically a virtual machine while
> remaining procedural, its clean super modular approach, etc., is a
> result of what already works: the bazaar: we must avoid the temptation
> of the cathedral.
were saying we don't need certification. Personally I just treated as an
interesting brain teaser, just trying to think of a certification method
that would work.I don't know, my wife works at a well known tech university and they're
> The corporate world has been with Drupal for quite some time now, and is
> enjoying it as it is.
standardising on Sharepoint. In fact Sharepoint is gaining a scary
amount of traction. There's always room for improvement, particularly in
ways that will increase the credibility of Drupal in the world of the PHBs.Hmmm, not sure about this. Employment law is good enough in most
> So I would submit for consideration the counterpart: the instability of
> many corporations and NGO's lead to excessive demands, the need for
> everything to be ready "yesterday", the need to extract a pound of flesh
> from the hirelings. More than certification, we need a bloody union.
countries is good enough to negate the need for unions, depends where
you are I suppose. Perhaps a co-op would be a better idea?
> More than certification we need a bloody union!!!
Isn't this a false dichotomy? Couldn't we have both: the community could
organise the certification. To continue the Bazaar approach: the exams
could consist of work that contributes to the community.
Kind Regards,
Liam McDermott.
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