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Re: Early Easter
by Palmen, KEV (Karl)
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Dear Mark and Calendar People
-----Original Message-----
From: East Carolina University Calendar discussion List
[mailto:CALNDR-L@...] On Behalf Of Mark J. Reed
Sent: 07 March 2008 13:38
To: CALNDR-L@...
Subject: Re: Early Easter
Right. As I recall, the mean Hebrew year works out to something like
365.26 days, which means any given Hebrew date is (on average,
discounting the short term oscillations inherent in a lunisolar
design) slowly moving forward through the Gregorian and even Julian
calendars.
KARL SAYS: Actually it is about 365.247 days, so drifts later with
respect to the Gregorian Calendar, but earlier with respect to the
Julian calendar.
The website
http://www.moonwise.co.uk/neweaster.php has a list of Easters reckoned
by 4 different rules including the Sunday after Passover.
When the Western and Orthodox Easters (which use Gregorian and Julian
calendars respectively) disagree on the month of Easter, the Sunday
after Passover may occur in either of the two different months. See 2002
and 2008 in the list for example. The orthodox month is selected more
often.
Karl
09(09(01
On 3/7/08, Palmen, KEV (Karl) <K.E.V.Palmen@...> wrote:
> Dear Charles and Mark
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: East Carolina University Calendar discussion List
> [mailto:CALNDR-L@...] On Behalf Of Mark J. Reed
> Sent: 07 March 2008 12:22
> To: CALNDR-L@...
> Subject: Re: Early Easter
>
> We don't know when the Last Supper would have been without fixing the
> year of the Crucifixion, so the date is an open question.
>
> And Passover is determined by a fixed date in the Hebrew calendar,
> Nisan 15. Because that calendar is lunisolar, that date tends to fall
> around the Paschal full moon, but it is an approximation based on
> calculations, not observation. Those calculations are different from
> the Easter calculations, so sometimes yield different results. The
> Gregorian correction is said to have been adjusted one day to
> minimize Easter/Passover conjunctions.
>
> KARL SAYS: In addition, the Hebrew Calendar, unlike the Gregorian
> Lunisolar Calendar used to reckon Easter, does not correct the 19-year
> Metonic cycle.
>
> Suppose at the time of Jesus, the Hebrew Calendar were to place the
> month of Nisan so that its full moon is always the first full moon
> after the spring equinox, then today its full moon would be the first
> full moon after some day later than the spring equinox and this year
> after the coming full moon.
>
> Happy New Moon!
>
> Karl
>
> 09(09(01
>
>
> On 3/7/08, Charles Moyer <moyercdmm@...> wrote:
> > What is also interesting is that the Passover dinner which Jesus has
> > with his disciples doesn't occur until April 20 which is 30 days
> > after
>
> > he is crucified. This and Hilary's victory in Ohio must prove that
> > state's motto which is "With God all things are possible".
> > But seriously why isn't Passover on March 22 this year?
> >
> > > From: Sepp Rothwangl <calendersign@...>
> > > Reply-To: East Carolina University Calendar discussion List
> > > <CALNDR-L@...>
> > > Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 13:05:55 +0100
> > > To: CALNDR-L@...
> > > Subject: Early Easter
> > >
> > > Is this true?
> > >
> > >> Here's the interesting info. This year is the earliest Easter any
> > >> of us will ever see the rest of our lives! And only the most
> > >> elderly of our population have ever seen it this early (95 years
> old or above!).
> > >> And none of us have ever, or will ever, see it a day earlier!
> > >> Here are the facts:
> > >>
> > >> 1) The next time Easter will be this early (March 23) will be the
> > >> year 2228 (220 years from now). The last time it was this early
> > >> was
> > >> 1913 (so if you're 95 or older, you are the only ones that were
> > >> around for that!).
> > >>
> > >> 2) The next time it will be a day earlier, March 22, will be in
> > >> the
>
> > >> year 2285 (277 years from now). The last time it was on March 22
> > >> was 1818. So, no one alive today has or will ever see it any
> > >> earlier than this year!
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > > Servus
> > > sepp
> > >
> >
>
>
> --
> Mark J. Reed <markjreed@...>
>
--
Mark J. Reed <markjreed@...>
-----Original Message-----
From: East Carolina University Calendar discussion List
[mailto:CALNDR-L@...] On Behalf Of Mark J. Reed
Sent: 07 March 2008 13:38
To: CALNDR-L@...
Subject: Re: Early Easter
Right. As I recall, the mean Hebrew year works out to something like
365.26 days, which means any given Hebrew date is (on average,
discounting the short term oscillations inherent in a lunisolar
design) slowly moving forward through the Gregorian and even Julian
calendars.
KARL SAYS: Actually it is about 365.247 days, so drifts later with
respect to the Gregorian Calendar, but earlier with respect to the
Julian calendar.
The website
http://www.moonwise.co.uk/neweaster.php has a list of Easters reckoned
by 4 different rules including the Sunday after Passover.
When the Western and Orthodox Easters (which use Gregorian and Julian
calendars respectively) disagree on the month of Easter, the Sunday
after Passover may occur in either of the two different months. See 2002
and 2008 in the list for example. The orthodox month is selected more
often.
Karl
09(09(01
On 3/7/08, Palmen, KEV (Karl) <K.E.V.Palmen@...> wrote:
> Dear Charles and Mark
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: East Carolina University Calendar discussion List
> [mailto:CALNDR-L@...] On Behalf Of Mark J. Reed
> Sent: 07 March 2008 12:22
> To: CALNDR-L@...
> Subject: Re: Early Easter
>
> We don't know when the Last Supper would have been without fixing the
> year of the Crucifixion, so the date is an open question.
>
> And Passover is determined by a fixed date in the Hebrew calendar,
> Nisan 15. Because that calendar is lunisolar, that date tends to fall
> around the Paschal full moon, but it is an approximation based on
> calculations, not observation. Those calculations are different from
> the Easter calculations, so sometimes yield different results. The
> Gregorian correction is said to have been adjusted one day to
> minimize Easter/Passover conjunctions.
>
> KARL SAYS: In addition, the Hebrew Calendar, unlike the Gregorian
> Lunisolar Calendar used to reckon Easter, does not correct the 19-year
> Metonic cycle.
>
> Suppose at the time of Jesus, the Hebrew Calendar were to place the
> month of Nisan so that its full moon is always the first full moon
> after the spring equinox, then today its full moon would be the first
> full moon after some day later than the spring equinox and this year
> after the coming full moon.
>
> Happy New Moon!
>
> Karl
>
> 09(09(01
>
>
> On 3/7/08, Charles Moyer <moyercdmm@...> wrote:
> > What is also interesting is that the Passover dinner which Jesus has
> > with his disciples doesn't occur until April 20 which is 30 days
> > after
>
> > he is crucified. This and Hilary's victory in Ohio must prove that
> > state's motto which is "With God all things are possible".
> > But seriously why isn't Passover on March 22 this year?
> >
> > > From: Sepp Rothwangl <calendersign@...>
> > > Reply-To: East Carolina University Calendar discussion List
> > > <CALNDR-L@...>
> > > Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 13:05:55 +0100
> > > To: CALNDR-L@...
> > > Subject: Early Easter
> > >
> > > Is this true?
> > >
> > >> Here's the interesting info. This year is the earliest Easter any
> > >> of us will ever see the rest of our lives! And only the most
> > >> elderly of our population have ever seen it this early (95 years
> old or above!).
> > >> And none of us have ever, or will ever, see it a day earlier!
> > >> Here are the facts:
> > >>
> > >> 1) The next time Easter will be this early (March 23) will be the
> > >> year 2228 (220 years from now). The last time it was this early
> > >> was
> > >> 1913 (so if you're 95 or older, you are the only ones that were
> > >> around for that!).
> > >>
> > >> 2) The next time it will be a day earlier, March 22, will be in
> > >> the
>
> > >> year 2285 (277 years from now). The last time it was on March 22
> > >> was 1818. So, no one alive today has or will ever see it any
> > >> earlier than this year!
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > > Servus
> > > sepp
> > >
> >
>
>
> --
> Mark J. Reed <markjreed@...>
>
--
Mark J. Reed <markjreed@...>
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