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by Mark J. Reed-2
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Huh. What am I thinking of that has the 365.26-day mean year?
This is why I need another copy of Calendrical Calculations for my car. :)
On 3/7/08, Palmen, KEV (Karl) <K.E.V.Palmen@...> wrote:
> Dear Mark and Calendar People
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: East Carolina University Calendar discussion List
> [mailto:CALNDR-L@...] On Behalf Of Mark J. Reed
> Sent: 07 March 2008 13:38
> To: CALNDR-L@...
> Subject: Re: Early Easter
>
> Right. As I recall, the mean Hebrew year works out to something like
> 365.26 days, which means any given Hebrew date is (on average,
> discounting the short term oscillations inherent in a lunisolar
> design) slowly moving forward through the Gregorian and even Julian
> calendars.
>
> KARL SAYS: Actually it is about 365.247 days, so drifts later with
> respect to the Gregorian Calendar, but earlier with respect to the
> Julian calendar.
>
> The website
> http://www.moonwise.co.uk/neweaster.php has a list of Easters reckoned
> by 4 different rules including the Sunday after Passover.
> When the Western and Orthodox Easters (which use Gregorian and Julian
> calendars respectively) disagree on the month of Easter, the Sunday
> after Passover may occur in either of the two different months. See 2002
> and 2008 in the list for example. The orthodox month is selected more
> often.
>
> Karl
>
> 09(09(01
>
>
>
> On 3/7/08, Palmen, KEV (Karl) <K.E.V.Palmen@...> wrote:
> > Dear Charles and Mark
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: East Carolina University Calendar discussion List
> > [mailto:CALNDR-L@...] On Behalf Of Mark J. Reed
> > Sent: 07 March 2008 12:22
> > To: CALNDR-L@...
> > Subject: Re: Early Easter
> >
> > We don't know when the Last Supper would have been without fixing the
> > year of the Crucifixion, so the date is an open question.
> >
> > And Passover is determined by a fixed date in the Hebrew calendar,
> > Nisan 15. Because that calendar is lunisolar, that date tends to fall
>
> > around the Paschal full moon, but it is an approximation based on
> > calculations, not observation. Those calculations are different from
> > the Easter calculations, so sometimes yield different results. The
> > Gregorian correction is said to have been adjusted one day to
> > minimize Easter/Passover conjunctions.
> >
> > KARL SAYS: In addition, the Hebrew Calendar, unlike the Gregorian
> > Lunisolar Calendar used to reckon Easter, does not correct the 19-year
>
> > Metonic cycle.
> >
> > Suppose at the time of Jesus, the Hebrew Calendar were to place the
> > month of Nisan so that its full moon is always the first full moon
> > after the spring equinox, then today its full moon would be the first
> > full moon after some day later than the spring equinox and this year
> > after the coming full moon.
> >
> > Happy New Moon!
> >
> > Karl
> >
> > 09(09(01
> >
> >
> > On 3/7/08, Charles Moyer <moyercdmm@...> wrote:
> > > What is also interesting is that the Passover dinner which Jesus has
>
> > > with his disciples doesn't occur until April 20 which is 30 days
> > > after
> >
> > > he is crucified. This and Hilary's victory in Ohio must prove that
> > > state's motto which is "With God all things are possible".
> > > But seriously why isn't Passover on March 22 this year?
> > >
> > > > From: Sepp Rothwangl <calendersign@...>
> > > > Reply-To: East Carolina University Calendar discussion List
> > > > <CALNDR-L@...>
> > > > Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 13:05:55 +0100
> > > > To: CALNDR-L@...
> > > > Subject: Early Easter
> > > >
> > > > Is this true?
> > > >
> > > >> Here's the interesting info. This year is the earliest Easter any
>
> > > >> of us will ever see the rest of our lives! And only the most
> > > >> elderly of our population have ever seen it this early (95 years
> > old or above!).
> > > >> And none of us have ever, or will ever, see it a day earlier!
> > > >> Here are the facts:
> > > >>
> > > >> 1) The next time Easter will be this early (March 23) will be the
>
> > > >> year 2228 (220 years from now). The last time it was this early
> > > >> was
> > > >> 1913 (so if you're 95 or older, you are the only ones that were
> > > >> around for that!).
> > > >>
> > > >> 2) The next time it will be a day earlier, March 22, will be in
> > > >> the
> >
> > > >> year 2285 (277 years from now). The last time it was on March 22
> > > >> was 1818. So, no one alive today has or will ever see it any
> > > >> earlier than this year!
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Servus
> > > > sepp
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Mark J. Reed <markjreed@...>
> >
>
>
> --
> Mark J. Reed <markjreed@...>
>
--
Mark J. Reed <markjreed@...>
This is why I need another copy of Calendrical Calculations for my car. :)
On 3/7/08, Palmen, KEV (Karl) <K.E.V.Palmen@...> wrote:
> Dear Mark and Calendar People
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: East Carolina University Calendar discussion List
> [mailto:CALNDR-L@...] On Behalf Of Mark J. Reed
> Sent: 07 March 2008 13:38
> To: CALNDR-L@...
> Subject: Re: Early Easter
>
> Right. As I recall, the mean Hebrew year works out to something like
> 365.26 days, which means any given Hebrew date is (on average,
> discounting the short term oscillations inherent in a lunisolar
> design) slowly moving forward through the Gregorian and even Julian
> calendars.
>
> KARL SAYS: Actually it is about 365.247 days, so drifts later with
> respect to the Gregorian Calendar, but earlier with respect to the
> Julian calendar.
>
> The website
> http://www.moonwise.co.uk/neweaster.php has a list of Easters reckoned
> by 4 different rules including the Sunday after Passover.
> When the Western and Orthodox Easters (which use Gregorian and Julian
> calendars respectively) disagree on the month of Easter, the Sunday
> after Passover may occur in either of the two different months. See 2002
> and 2008 in the list for example. The orthodox month is selected more
> often.
>
> Karl
>
> 09(09(01
>
>
>
> On 3/7/08, Palmen, KEV (Karl) <K.E.V.Palmen@...> wrote:
> > Dear Charles and Mark
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: East Carolina University Calendar discussion List
> > [mailto:CALNDR-L@...] On Behalf Of Mark J. Reed
> > Sent: 07 March 2008 12:22
> > To: CALNDR-L@...
> > Subject: Re: Early Easter
> >
> > We don't know when the Last Supper would have been without fixing the
> > year of the Crucifixion, so the date is an open question.
> >
> > And Passover is determined by a fixed date in the Hebrew calendar,
> > Nisan 15. Because that calendar is lunisolar, that date tends to fall
>
> > around the Paschal full moon, but it is an approximation based on
> > calculations, not observation. Those calculations are different from
> > the Easter calculations, so sometimes yield different results. The
> > Gregorian correction is said to have been adjusted one day to
> > minimize Easter/Passover conjunctions.
> >
> > KARL SAYS: In addition, the Hebrew Calendar, unlike the Gregorian
> > Lunisolar Calendar used to reckon Easter, does not correct the 19-year
>
> > Metonic cycle.
> >
> > Suppose at the time of Jesus, the Hebrew Calendar were to place the
> > month of Nisan so that its full moon is always the first full moon
> > after the spring equinox, then today its full moon would be the first
> > full moon after some day later than the spring equinox and this year
> > after the coming full moon.
> >
> > Happy New Moon!
> >
> > Karl
> >
> > 09(09(01
> >
> >
> > On 3/7/08, Charles Moyer <moyercdmm@...> wrote:
> > > What is also interesting is that the Passover dinner which Jesus has
>
> > > with his disciples doesn't occur until April 20 which is 30 days
> > > after
> >
> > > he is crucified. This and Hilary's victory in Ohio must prove that
> > > state's motto which is "With God all things are possible".
> > > But seriously why isn't Passover on March 22 this year?
> > >
> > > > From: Sepp Rothwangl <calendersign@...>
> > > > Reply-To: East Carolina University Calendar discussion List
> > > > <CALNDR-L@...>
> > > > Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 13:05:55 +0100
> > > > To: CALNDR-L@...
> > > > Subject: Early Easter
> > > >
> > > > Is this true?
> > > >
> > > >> Here's the interesting info. This year is the earliest Easter any
>
> > > >> of us will ever see the rest of our lives! And only the most
> > > >> elderly of our population have ever seen it this early (95 years
> > old or above!).
> > > >> And none of us have ever, or will ever, see it a day earlier!
> > > >> Here are the facts:
> > > >>
> > > >> 1) The next time Easter will be this early (March 23) will be the
>
> > > >> year 2228 (220 years from now). The last time it was this early
> > > >> was
> > > >> 1913 (so if you're 95 or older, you are the only ones that were
> > > >> around for that!).
> > > >>
> > > >> 2) The next time it will be a day earlier, March 22, will be in
> > > >> the
> >
> > > >> year 2285 (277 years from now). The last time it was on March 22
> > > >> was 1818. So, no one alive today has or will ever see it any
> > > >> earlier than this year!
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Servus
> > > > sepp
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Mark J. Reed <markjreed@...>
> >
>
>
> --
> Mark J. Reed <markjreed@...>
>
--
Mark J. Reed <markjreed@...>
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