On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 4:58 AM, Paul de Weerd <weerd@...> wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 02, 2011 at 01:12:54AM -0400, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:
> | Then perhaps lean to write. If you're measuring a different
> | phenomenon, one that has different units, then it's a distinctly
> | different *calculation* becuase you're measuring a distinct collection
> | of objects. One may as well add up a restaurant bill, leave out the
> | tax and tip, and say "it's unchanged because I used the same plus
> | signs".
> No different measurement, nothing has changed. Your tax+tip example
> is off; day one you just have soup, the next day you have soup plus a
> main course. The *price* changed, not the tax rate or the tip rate.
> With a changed price, the final sum is different but the calculation
> is exactly the same. You're not arguing that the calculation is
> different because the outcome changes, are you ? If that's your point
> then I'm not really sure what you're doing here; that's just inane.
No, no. I did read Theo's note, especially where he said:
> > Some kernels have decided to not count those threads, others do count
> > them.
The kernel is still running the processes, in both cases. They're
consuming system resources. Running too many such processes will still
interfere with other production. I'm still having the "soup", either
> These days there's more processes on a machine, including those kernel
> threads, you know...the ones with non-random (ie sequential) PIDs that
> also do work. Also, the speed of the system has changed. Units do
> not change; variables change (just like the amount of work a machine
> does over the course of 1, 5 or 15 minutes) but the calculation does
> not: it gathers some variables and outputs a neigh meaningless number.
So you're implying that because we make more money, and don't notice
the tax and tip so much on the bill. It still matters. It's still part
of the bill, and very comfusing when comparison shopping. It's a
metaphor I use because I'm in Massachusetts, not that far from New
Hampshire: different things are tax free in each state. The money, or
in this case the resources, is coming ouf of *somebody's* pocket.