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Re: Inside/Outside (was: Nothing)

by Bruno Marchal :: Rate this Message:

On 21 Apr 2012, at 16:56, Stephen P. King wrote:

> On 4/20/2012 3:22 PM, meekerdb wrote:
>>
>> On 4/20/2012 2:08 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I don't think you have to explain it from *primary* matter. In
>> fact it is usually explained in terms of electrochemistry of
>> neurons and hormones, which are several steps up from quarks and
>> electrons which themselves may not be primary.
>>
>>>
>>> Elimanating often the qualia and consciousness. Material
>>> explanation explains only the behavior.
>>
>>
>> I'm not convinced though that comp is any better. It comes down to
>> saying qualia are computations seen from the inside. But you could
>> as well say they are brain processes seen from the inside.
>>>
>>> He does not explain where the physical laws come from, nor does he
>>> addressed the consciousness issue.
>>> But of course you need to develop your understanding of the mind-
>>> body problem. The english literature contains many good texts.
>>> Then the UDA explains how to reformulate the problem into a purely
>>> arithmetical problem.
>>
>> But at the expense of turning physics and everything else into an
>> arithmetical problem. The problem I see with the UDA is that its
>> passivity is contagious. In order to function as an AI in the
>> world it needs more and more of the world to be subsumed into it's
>> computation.
>
> Dear Bruno and Brent,
>
> It might be helpful if you guys would chat a bit about what you
> mean by "from the inside". You seem to allude to a outside/inside
> relation here. Could you flesh this out a lot more? I have some
> thoughts of my own on this, but I would really like to see what your
> thoughts are about this relation. For example, does it involve some
> thing like a boundary that when crossed is equivalent to a
> transition from outside to inside or the reverse? What would define
> such a boundary for COMP?
>

In UDA the inside/outside refers to the 1-view and the 3-view, which
correspond to the content of the diary that the candidate takes with
him in the teleportation/duplication boxes, and the content of the
diary of someone outside the boxes.

In AUDA, outside/inside correspond to the Bp/ Bp & p distinction (the
believer or prover versus the knower). Or more generally the "#" and
"# & p" distinction. The inside obeys the modal logic S4, the outside
obeys to G, G*, from the ideal correct machine's view on itself.

Bruno

Bruno

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> Stephen
>
> "Nature, to be commanded, must be obeyed."
> ~ Francis Bacon
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