> On 1/20/2012 12:47 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
>> On 20.01.2012 21:28 John Clark said the following:
>>> On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 Evgenii Rudnyi<usenet@...> wrote:
>>> " What about Big Bang?"
>>> What about Big Bang?
>>> " It has also happened for a reason?"
>>> I have no idea, but I do know it happened for a reason or it did
>>> not happen for a reason.
>>> John K Clark
>> Well, then you have an infinite progression, as then you have to
>> find a reason for that reason and so on. I guess that this
>> contradicts with the whole idea of the Big Bang. Or you do not
>> believe in the Big Bang?
> The idea of the Big Bang is that the visible universe evolved to its
> present state from a state of extreme density and temperature. It is
> independent of whether there was a previous state, as in the models
> of Andre Vilenkin or those of Sean Carroll, or not as in the
> Hartle-Hawking model.
This still shows that there are physicists who do not believe in
On 20.01.2012 18:21 John Clark said the following:
> but we also know that everything, absolutely positively everything,
> happens for a reason OR it does not happen for a reason.
In other words such a statement does not follow from physics that we know.
I have recently listened to Kontroversen in der Philosophie by Prof Hoenen: