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	Re: Interest in a Turnitin-Sakai Integration? by David Wu-4 :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message Hi all, Apologies for cross-posting and any duplicate versions of this email you might receive, but we wanted to get this information out to as wide an audience as possible. In an effort to spearhead the development of a Turnitin-Sakai integration/patch, as mentioned in my previous email copied below, iParadigms, in conjunction with UNICON, has begun the process of coming up with a functional design/specification of what a Turnitin- Sakai integration would look like. UNICON is helping us to write the document, and we expect the initial draft to be ready by 11/4. We are hoping to allow interested parties to give their feedback on the document, which would help us have a better idea of how our customers would like to see the integration work or help us find areas we didn't take into consideration. However, because we are on a timeline, we'd like to get this feedback as soon as possible, preferably within two weeks from 11/4. Hopefully this advanced notice will help you allocate some time and resources to be able to look at this within the given timeframe. We hope to begin development based on this specification at the end of the two-week period. Please be aware that this integration/patch will be for the Assignments 1 tool in Sakai (we hope to be able to adapt this to the Assignments 2 tool when it is ready and in production, which we've heard is scheduled for Sakai 2.7 to be released in Summer 2009 -- please let us know if this is incorrect). You can send your feedback and suggestions to myself and/or our contact at UNICON, Kate Valenti. More details to come when we send out the document on the 4th. We hope that this document will present an integration that will be the most useful for Sakai users, and thus your feedback would be very helpful. Please feel free to pass this on to any other interested parties you might know of. Thanks for your help and cooperation. David David Wu Programming Manager iParadigms LLC 1624 Franklin Street 7th Floor Oakland, CA 94612 p. +1-510-287-9720 x284 f. +1-510-444-1952 e. davidw@... The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. On Aug 14, 2008, at 9:57 AM, David Wu wrote: > Hi all, > > My name is David Wu, and I am the lead developer for integrations at > iParadigms, the makers of Turnitin. Over the past few years, we've > had increasing requests for an integration between our Turnitin > product and Sakai, and we've been exploring different ways that this > might be best accomplished. > > I've put out this announcement on the developers list, but I didn't > get too many responses, and I thought I'd try it here, to see if > there is any interest. > > > "iParadigms (the makers of Turnitin) have been hearing from various > clients over the past couple of years interest in an integration > between Sakai and Turnitin. We would definitely like to collaborate > and work on such a project. We are aware that the University of > Cape Town has already developed an integration for their own needs, > and we think that is a great start. With the development of the new > assignment tool in Sakai, we'd like to take this opportunity to take > an integration even farther by making sure that our integration will > work with this new assignment tool and that it will integrate and > work nicely with the built-in features of Sakai. To do so, we'd > like to come up with detailed requirements and specifications of > what this integration would look like, hopefully to be generated by > those universities that are interested in such an integration, so > that we know that what we should build will be as much of what the > people who are going to be using it want. Also, in developing this > integration, we know that we could go the route of trying to do it > ourselves, but seeing as how I am not familiar with Sakai like many > of those in the community, an integration done by ourselves might > take a lot longer to develop and not be done in the best, most- > efficient, complete way. We believe that if there are developers > out there who are much more familiar with Sakai, the APIs, the right > functions to use, the right places to insert code, etc., and that > they are willing to work with us on this, that would be the best way > to make the integration. Our team would be willing to learn and > help develop on the Sakai end however we can, and of course we would > develop the Turnitin side of the API and any other hooks, etc. that > would be needed to make the integration with Turnitin work. We > would like to see who out there would have the time and the > resources to help in coming up with the requirements and > specifications as soon as possible and then passing that around to > get as much feedback as possible. From there, we would also like to > see who out there would have the time and resources to help in > developing the integration on the Sakai end. We are definitely > interested in getting this started, rolling and finished as quickly > as possible, and we look forward to working with you on it." > > However, though there were a couple of institutions that responded, > we haven't gained much traction. It seems there is interest, but > not a lot of available resources to help work on the integration. > > I'd still like to try to get a few interested institutions involved, > but it was also suggested to put out there if that institutions > could not put in people resources into working on such a project, > perhaps they might have budget to help fund an integration where > Turnitin could work with a commercial/contracting development group > to help us design and develop this integration to get the ball > rolling. > > Please let me know if you're interest and capabilities lie in either > area. I appreciate your feedback. > > Thanks, > Dave > > David Wu > Programming Manager > iParadigms LLC > 1624 Franklin Street 7th Floor > Oakland, CA 94612 > p. +1-510-287-9720 x284 > f. +1-510-444-1952 > e. davidw@... > > The information contained in this message may be privileged and > confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this > message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent > responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, > you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or > copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have > received this communication in error, please notify the sender > immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your > computer. > > ---------------------- This automatic notification message was sent by Sakai Collab (https://collab.sakaiproject.org//portal) from the DG: Teaching & Learning site. 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	Re: Interest in a Turnitin-Sakai Integration? by David Wu-4 :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message Hi all, As promised, Unicon has finished the initial draft of the specification, and it is attached to this email for your review and feedback. Please send comments, feedback and questions to: David Wu, iParadigms, davidw@... Kate Valenti, Unicon, kvalenti@... As mentioned in my previous email, please try and get the feedback back to us by 11/18. This is a great step in moving forward to building out a tight integration, and I look forward to hearing from you. Thanks, Dave David Wu Programming Manager iParadigms LLC 1624 Franklin Street 7th Floor Oakland, CA 94612 p. +1-510-287-9720 x284 f. +1-510-444-1952 e. davidw@... The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Wu" <davidw@...> To: "pedagogy" <pedagogy@...>, "Sakai Dev" <sakai-dev@...>, sakai-user@... Cc: "Christian Storm" <storm@...>, "Allen Chen" <achen@...>, "Kate Valenti" <kvalenti@...>, selliott@..., "Michael Korcuska" <mkorcuska@...>, "Aras Seddigh" <arass@...>, "David Goodrum" <goodrum@...>, "Ciellie van Vuuren Jansen" <10092757@...>, "Josh Baron" <Josh.Baron@...>, "Anthony Whyte" <arwhyte@...>, "Pretorius Boeta" <boeta.pretorius@...>, "Noah Botimer" <botimer@...>, "Leasia John" <jleasia@...>, "Stephen Marquard" <stephen.marquard@...>, "Steven Foehr" <steve@...> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 4:20:12 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles Subject: Re: Interest in a Turnitin-Sakai Integration? Hi all, Apologies for cross-posting and any duplicate versions of this email you might receive, but we wanted to get this information out to as wide an audience as possible. In an effort to spearhead the development of a Turnitin-Sakai integration/patch, as mentioned in my previous email copied below, iParadigms, in conjunction with UNICON, has begun the process of coming up with a functional design/specification of what a Turnitin-Sakai integration would look like. UNICON is helping us to write the document, and we expect the initial draft to be ready by 11/4. We are hoping to allow interested parties to give their feedback on the document, which would help us have a better idea of how our customers would like to see the integration work or help us find areas we didn't take into consideration. However, because we are on a timeline, we'd like to get this feedback as soon as possible, preferably within two weeks from 11/4. Hopefully this advanced notice will help you allocate some time and resources to be able to look at this within the given timeframe. We hope to begin development based on this specification at the end of the two-week period. Please be aware that this integration/patch will be for the Assignments 1 tool in Sakai (we hope to be able to adapt this to the Assignments 2 tool when it is ready and in production, which we've heard is scheduled for Sakai 2.7 to be released in Summer 2009 -- please let us know if this is incorrect). You can send your feedback and suggestions to myself and/or our contact at UNICON, Kate Valenti. More details to come when we send out the document on the 4th. We hope that this document will present an integration that will be the most useful for Sakai users, and thus your feedback would be very helpful. Please feel free to pass this on to any other interested parties you might know of. Thanks for your help and cooperation. David David Wu Programming Manager iParadigms LLC 1624 Franklin Street 7th Floor Oakland, CA 94612 p. +1-510-287-9720 x284 f. +1-510-444-1952 e. davidw@... The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. On Aug 14, 2008, at 9:57 AM, David Wu wrote: Hi all, My name is David Wu, and I am the lead developer for integrations at iParadigms, the makers of Turnitin. Over the past few years, we've had increasing requests for an integration between our Turnitin product and Sakai, and we've been exploring different ways that this might be best accomplished. I've put out this announcement on the developers list, but I didn't get too many responses, and I thought I'd try it here, to see if there is any interest. "iParadigms (the makers of Turnitin) have been hearing from various clients over the past couple of years interest in an integration between Sakai and Turnitin. We would definitely like to collaborate and work on such a project. We are aware that the University of Cape Town has already developed an integration for their own needs, and we think that is a great start. With the development of the new assignment tool in Sakai, we'd like to take this opportunity to take an integration even farther by making sure that our integration will work with this new assignment tool and that it will integrate and work nicely with the built-in features of Sakai. To do so, we'd like to come up with detailed requirements and specifications of what this integration would look like, hopefully to be generated by those universities that are interested in such an integration, so that we know that what we should build will be as much of what the people who are going to be using it want Also, in developing this integration, we know that we could go the route of trying to do it ourselves, but seeing as how I am not familiar with Sakai like many of those in the community, an integration done by ourselves might take a lot longer to develop and not be done in the best, most-efficient, complete way. We believe that if there are developers out there who are much more familiar with Sakai, the APIs, the right functions to use, the right places to insert code, etc., and that they are willing to work with us on this, that would be the best way to make the integration. Our team would be willing to learn and help develop on the Sakai end however we can, and of course we would develop the Turnitin side of the API and any other hooks, etc. that would be needed to make the integration with Turnitin work. We would like to see who out there would have the time and the resources to help in coming up with the requirements and specifications as soon as possible and then passing that around to get as much feedback as possible. From there, we would also like to see who out there would have the time and resources to help in developing the integration on the Sakai end. We are definitely interested in getting this started, rolling and finished as quickly as possible, and we look forward to working with you on it." However, though there were a couple of institutions that responded, we haven't gained much traction. It seems there is interest, but not a lot of available resources to help work on the integration. I'd still like to try to get a few interested institutions involved, but it was also suggested to put out there if that institutions could not put in people resources into working on such a project, perhaps they might have budget to help fund an integration where Turnitin could work with a commercial/contracting development group to help us design and develop this integration to get the ball rolling. Please let me know if you're interest and capabilities lie in either area. I appreciate your feedback. Thanks, Dave David Wu Programming Manager iParadigms LLC 1624 Franklin Street 7th Floor Oakland, CA 94612 p. +1-510-287-9720 x284 f. +1-510-444-1952 e. davidw@... The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. This automatic notification message was sent by Sakai Collab ( https://collab.sakaiproject.org//portal ) from the DG: Teaching & Learning site. You can modify how you receive notifications at My Workspace > Preferences. 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	Re: Interest in a Turnitin-Sakai Integration? by David Wu-4 :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message Hi all, It seems the attachment didn't make it out to some of the lists, so I've posted it on the confluence page: http://confluence.sakaiproject.org/confluence/display/SAKDEV/TurnItIn+Integration http://confluence.sakaiproject.org/confluence/pages/viewpageattachments.action?pageId=27164674 Please let me know if you have any problems getting to the attachment. Your time and feedback are greatly appreciated. Thanks, Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Wu" <davidw@...> To: "pedagogy" <pedagogy@...>, "Sakai Dev" <sakai-dev@...>, sakai-user@... Cc: "Christian Storm" <storm@...>, "Allen Chen" <achen@...>, "Kate Valenti" <kvalenti@...>, selliott@..., "Michael Korcuska" <mkorcuska@...>, "Aras Seddigh" <arass@...>, "David Goodrum" <goodrum@...>, "Ciellie van Vuuren Jansen" <10092757@...>, "Josh Baron" <Josh.Baron@...>, "Anthony Whyte" <arwhyte@...>, "Pretorius Boeta" <boeta.pretorius@...>, "Noah Botimer" <botimer@...>, "Leasia John" <jleasia@...>, "Stephen Marquard" <stephen.marquard@...>, "Steven Foehr" <steve@...> Sent: Tuesday, November 4, 2008 3:01:18 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles Subject: Re: Interest in a Turnitin-Sakai Integration? Hi all, As promised, Unicon has finished the initial draft of the specification, and it is attached to this email for your review and feedback. Please send comments, feedback and questions to: David Wu, iParadigms, davidw@... Kate Valenti, Unicon, kvalenti@... As mentioned in my previous email, please try and get the feedback back to us by 11/18. This is a great step in moving forward to building out a tight integration, and I look forward to hearing from you. Thanks, Dave David Wu Programming Manager iParadigms LLC 1624 Franklin Street 7th Floor Oakland, CA 94612 p. +1-510-287-9720 x284 f. +1-510-444-1952 e. davidw@... The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Wu" <davidw@...> To: "pedagogy" <pedagogy@...>, "Sakai Dev" <sakai-dev@...>, sakai-user@... Cc: "Christian Storm" <storm@...>, "Allen Chen" <achen@...>, "Kate Valenti" <kvalenti@...>, selliott@..., "Michael Korcuska" <mkorcuska@...>, "Aras Seddigh" <arass@...>, "David Goodrum" <goodrum@...>, "Ciellie van Vuuren Jansen" <10092757@...>, "Josh Baron" <Josh.Baron@...>, "Anthony Whyte" <arwhyte@...>, "Pretorius Boeta" <boeta.pretorius@...>, "Noah Botimer" <botimer@...>, "Leasia John" <jleasia@...>, "Stephen Marquard" <stephen.marquard@...>, "Steven Foehr" <steve@...> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 4:20:12 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles Subject: Re: Interest in a Turnitin-Sakai Integration? Hi all, Apologies for cross-posting and any duplicate versions of this email you might receive, but we wanted to get this information out to as wide an audience as possible. In an effort to spearhead the development of a Turnitin-Sakai integration/patch, as mentioned in my previous email copied below, iParadigms, in conjunction with UNICON, has begun the process of coming up with a functional design/specification of what a Turnitin-Sakai integration would look like. UNICON is helping us to write the document, and we expect the initial draft to be ready by 11/4. We are hoping to allow interested parties to give their feedback on the document, which would help us have a better idea of how our customers would like to see the integration work or help us find areas we didn't take into consideration. However, because we are on a timeline, we'd like to get this feedback as soon as possible, preferably within two weeks from 11/4. Hopefully this advanced notice will help you allocate some time and resources to be able to look at this within the given timeframe. We hope to begin development based on this specification at the end of the two-week period. Please be aware that this integration/patch will be for the Assignments 1 tool in Sakai (we hope to be able to adapt this to the Assignments 2 tool when it is ready and in production, which we've heard is scheduled for Sakai 2.7 to be released in Summer 2009 -- please let us know if this is incorrect). You can send your feedback and suggestions to myself and/or our contact at UNICON, Kate Valenti. More details to come when we send out the document on the 4th. We hope that this document will present an integration that will be the most useful for Sakai users, and thus your feedback would be very helpful. Please feel free to pass this on to any other interested parties you might know of. Thanks for your help and cooperation. David David Wu Programming Manager iParadigms LLC 1624 Franklin Street 7th Floor Oakland, CA 94612 p. +1-510-287-9720 x284 f. +1-510-444-1952 e. davidw@... The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. On Aug 14, 2008, at 9:57 AM, David Wu wrote: Hi all, My name is David Wu, and I am the lead developer for integrations at iParadigms, the makers of Turnitin. Over the past few years, we've had increasing requests for an integration between our Turnitin product and Sakai, and we've been exploring different ways that this might be best accomplished. I've put out this announcement on the developers list, but I didn't get too many responses, and I thought I'd try it here, to see if there is any interest. "iParadigms (the makers of Turnitin) have been hearing from various clients over the past couple of years interest in an integration between Sakai and Turnitin. We would definitely like to collaborate and work on such a project. We are aware that the University of Cape Town has already developed an integration for their own needs, and we think that is a great start. With the development of the new assignment tool in Sakai, we'd like to take this opportunity to take an integration even farther by making sure that our integration will work with this new assignment tool and that it will integrate and work nicely with the built-in features of Sakai. To do so, we'd like to come up with detailed requirements and specifications of what this integration would look like, hopefully to be generated by those universities that are interested in such an integration, so that we know that what we should build will be as much of what the people who are going to be using it want Also, in developing this integration, we know that we could go the route of trying to do it ourselves, but seeing as how I am not familiar with Sakai like many of those in the community, an integration done by ourselves might take a lot longer to develop and not be done in the best, most-efficient, complete way. We believe that if there are developers out there who are much more familiar with Sakai, the APIs, the right functions to use, the right places to insert code, etc., and that they are willing to work with us on this, that would be the best way to make the integration. Our team would be willing to learn and help develop on the Sakai end however we can, and of course we would develop the Turnitin side of the API and any other hooks, etc. that would be needed to make the integration with Turnitin work. We would like to see who out there would have the time and the resources to help in coming up with the requirements and specifications as soon as possible and then passing that around to get as much feedback as possible. From there, we would also like to see who out there would have the time and resources to help in developing the integration on the Sakai end. We are definitely interested in getting this started, rolling and finished as quickly as possible, and we look forward to working with you on it." However, though there were a couple of institutions that responded, we haven't gained much traction. It seems there is interest, but not a lot of available resources to help work on the integration. I'd still like to try to get a few interested institutions involved, but it was also suggested to put out there if that institutions could not put in people resources into working on such a project, perhaps they might have budget to help fund an integration where Turnitin could work with a commercial/contracting development group to help us design and develop this integration to get the ball rolling. Please let me know if you're interest and capabilities lie in either area. I appreciate your feedback. Thanks, Dave David Wu Programming Manager iParadigms LLC 1624 Franklin Street 7th Floor Oakland, CA 94612 p. +1-510-287-9720 x284 f. +1-510-444-1952 e. davidw@... The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. This automatic notification message was sent by Sakai Collab ( https://collab.sakaiproject.org//portal ) from the DG: Teaching & Learning site. You can modify how you receive notifications at My Workspace > Preferences. 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	Re: Interest in a Turnitin-Sakai Integration? by Stephen Marquard :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message Hi all, Here's my initial feedback: 1. As the new spec does not refer to the existing Turnitin Sakai integration, it's not clear exactly what the relationship is between the feature sets of the current and proposed integrations. A gap analysis or comparison in table form would be helpful to see this more clearly. 2. The proposed integration does not seem to solve some of the existing constraints of the current integration, specifically the mapping issue of Sakai assignments that have potentially multiple owners or associated instructors to Turnitin assignments that are associated with a single instructor (especially in relation to followup inbound or outbound emailed requests to/from other instructors to view other assignment submissions). 3. The proposed integration appears to assume that all integration with the Turnitin service is done live. What happens for example if the Turnitin service is unavailable at the time that a student submits an assignment, or bandwidth availability is such that response times are very slow at the time when an assignment views the instructor list? The current integration uses a queuing strategy with local storage of report scores to avoid these issues. 4. Are Unicon/Turnitin proposing to extend the existing integration, or completely replace it? If so, and assuming the new integration meets all the functional requirements of the existing integration, how will the proposed architecture preserve vendor independence, i.e. what happens when another vendor with a competitive product wishes to make their service available from within Sakai tools? Regards Stephen Stephen Marquard, Learning Technologies Co-ordinator Centre for Educational Technology, University of Cape Town http://www.cet.uct.ac.za Email/IM/XMPP: stephen.marquard@... Phone: +27-21-650-5037 Cell: +27-83-500-5290 >>> David Wu <davidw@...> 2008/11/05 06:24 PM >>> Hi all, It seems the attachment didn't make it out to some of the lists, so I've posted it on the confluence page: http://confluence.sakaiproject.org/confluence/display/SAKDEV/TurnItIn+Integration http://confluence.sakaiproject.org/confluence/pages/viewpageattachments.action?pageId=27164674 Please let me know if you have any problems getting to the attachment. Your time and feedback are greatly appreciated. Thanks, Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Wu" <davidw@...> To: "pedagogy" <pedagogy@...>, "Sakai Dev" <sakai-dev@...>, sakai-user@... Cc: "Christian Storm" <storm@...>, "Allen Chen" <achen@...>, "Kate Valenti" <kvalenti@...>, selliott@..., "Michael Korcuska" <mkorcuska@...>, "Aras Seddigh" <arass@...>, "David Goodrum" <goodrum@...>, "Ciellie van Vuuren Jansen" <10092757@...>, "Josh Baron" <Josh.Baron@...>, "Anthony Whyte" <arwhyte@...>, "Pretorius Boeta" <boeta.pretorius@...>, "Noah Botimer" <botimer@...>, "Leasia John" <jleasia@...>, "Stephen Marquard" <stephen.marquard@...>, "Steven Foehr" <steve@...> Sent: Tuesday, November 4, 2008 3:01:18 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles Subject: Re: Interest in a Turnitin-Sakai Integration? Hi all, As promised, Unicon has finished the initial draft of the specification, and it is attached to this email for your review and feedback. Please send comments, feedback and questions to: David Wu, iParadigms, davidw@... Kate Valenti, Unicon, kvalenti@... As mentioned in my previous email, please try and get the feedback back to us by 11/18. This is a great step in moving forward to building out a tight integration, and I look forward to hearing from you. Thanks, Dave David Wu Programming Manager iParadigms LLC 1624 Franklin Street 7th Floor Oakland, CA 94612 p. +1-510-287-9720 x284 f. +1-510-444-1952 e. davidw@... The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. ---------------------- This automatic notification message was sent by Sakai Collab (https://collab.sakaiproject.org//portal) from the DG: Teaching & Learning site. You can modify how you receive notifications at My Workspace > Preferences.
	Re: Interest in a Turnitin-Sakai Integration? by Steve Swinsburg-2 :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message I'll add my 2cents and say that any TurnItIn integration with Sakai must be able to be queued and run at a later date. This would be complemented by a set of Quartz jobs or similar that take care of the sending of submitted assignments to TurnItin, requesting scores for submitted assignments and storing them in the local database and perhaps even the creation of assignments in Turnitin automatically (not necessarily live). cheers, Steve --- Steve Swinsburg Portal Systems Developer Centre for e-Science Lancaster University Lancaster LA1 4YT email: s.swinsburg@... phone: +44 (0) 1524 594870 On 7 Nov 2008, at 09:59, Stephen Marquard wrote: > Hi all, > > Here's my initial feedback: > > 1. As the new spec does not refer to the existing Turnitin Sakai > integration, it's not clear exactly what the relationship is between > the feature sets of the current and proposed integrations. A gap > analysis or comparison in table form would be helpful to see this > more clearly. > > 2. The proposed integration does not seem to solve some of the > existing constraints of the current integration, specifically the > mapping issue of Sakai assignments that have potentially multiple > owners or associated instructors to Turnitin assignments that are > associated with a single instructor (especially in relation to > followup inbound or outbound emailed requests to/from other > instructors to view other assignment submissions). > > 3. The proposed integration appears to assume that all integration > with the Turnitin service is done live. What happens for example if > the Turnitin service is unavailable at the time that a student > submits an assignment, or bandwidth availability is such that > response times are very slow at the time when an assignment views > the instructor list? The current integration uses a queuing strategy > with local storage of report scores to avoid these issues. > > 4. Are Unicon/Turnitin proposing to extend the existing integration, > or completely replace it? If so, and assuming the new integration > meets all the functional requirements of the existing integration, > how will the proposed architecture preserve vendor independence, > i.e. what happens when another vendor with a competitive product > wishes to make their service available from within Sakai tools? > > Regards > Stephen > > Stephen Marquard, Learning Technologies Co-ordinator > Centre for Educational Technology, University of Cape Town > http://www.cet.uct.ac.za > Email/IM/XMPP: stephen.marquard@... > Phone: +27-21-650-5037 Cell: +27-83-500-5290 > > > >>> David Wu <davidw@...> 2008/11/05 06:24 PM >>> > Hi all, > > It seems the attachment didn't make it out to some of the lists, so > I've posted it on the confluence page: > > http://confluence.sakaiproject.org/confluence/display/SAKDEV/TurnItIn+Integration > http://confluence.sakaiproject.org/confluence/pages/viewpageattachments.action?pageId=27164674 > > Please let me know if you have any problems getting to the attachment. > > Your time and feedback are greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > Dave > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Wu" <davidw@...> > To: "pedagogy" <pedagogy@...>, "Sakai Dev" <sakai-dev@... > >, sakai-user@... > Cc: "Christian Storm" <storm@...>, "Allen Chen" <achen@... > >, "Kate Valenti" <kvalenti@...>, selliott@..., > "Michael Korcuska" <mkorcuska@...>, "Aras Seddigh" <arass@... > >, "David Goodrum" <goodrum@...>, "Ciellie van Vuuren > Jansen" <10092757@...>, "Josh Baron" <Josh.Baron@...>, > "Anthony Whyte" <arwhyte@...>, "Pretorius Boeta" <boeta.pretorius@... > >, "Noah Botimer" <botimer@...>, "Leasia John" <jleasia@... > >, "Stephen Marquard" <stephen.marquard@...>, "Steven Foehr" <steve@... > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 4, 2008 3:01:18 PM (GMT-0800) America/ > Los_Angeles > Subject: Re: Interest in a Turnitin-Sakai Integration? > > > Hi all, > > As promised, Unicon has finished the initial draft of the > specification, and it is attached to this email for your review and > feedback. > > Please send comments, feedback and questions to: > > David Wu, iParadigms, davidw@... > Kate Valenti, Unicon, kvalenti@... > > As mentioned in my previous email, please try and get the feedback > back to us by 11/18. > > This is a great step in moving forward to building out a tight > integration, and I look forward to hearing from you. > > Thanks, > Dave > > > David Wu > Programming Manager > iParadigms LLC > 1624 Franklin Street 7th Floor > Oakland, CA 94612 > p. +1-510-287-9720 x284 > f. +1-510-444-1952 > e. davidw@... > > > The information contained in this message may be privileged and > confidential and protected from disclosure. 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	Re: Interest in a Turnitin-Sakai Integration? by Charles Hedrick :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message It looked like responses would go to Confluence, so that's what I did. But given the continuing discussion here, I'm repeating it here: Rutgers is currently using the integration from contrib. It works fine. A number of faculty are using it. I'm not entirely sure how your requirements compare with what's there now. I'd like not to lose functionality or integration compared to what we now have. The one problem I've run into with the current integration is that only the first paper attached to a submission is reviewed. A knowledgeable student could add two attachments, with the first being innocuous. The second wouldn't be reviewed, but the instructor might not realize that. I believe all should be reviewed, even if Sakai has to generate fictitious assignments (since apparently Turnitin only has one paper per assignment.) You should also make sure that if a student resubmits, the new set of papers are reviewed. We also had a situation where a faculty member wanted to submit several papers that for one reason or another he had gotten directly, and not through the assignments tool. I think this is a useful function. Again, there was no way to do it because of the one paper per assignment thing. I advised him to duplicate the assignment once per student, a solution he wasn't happy with. On accounts: note that there can be more than one instructor and instructors can change during the course. Please make sure that nothing is lost if one instructor is removed and another added. I would think it might make more sense to use an account associated with the site, not the instructor. On Nov 7, 2008, at 4:59 AM, Stephen Marquard wrote: > Hi all, > > Here's my initial feedback: > > 1. As the new spec does not refer to the existing Turnitin Sakai > integration, it's not clear exactly what the relationship is between > the feature sets of the current and proposed integrations. A gap > analysis or comparison in table form would be helpful to see this > more clearly. > > 2. The proposed integration does not seem to solve some of the > existing constraints of the current integration, specifically the > mapping issue of Sakai assignments that have potentially multiple > owners or associated instructors to Turnitin assignments that are > associated with a single instructor (especially in relation to > followup inbound or outbound emailed requests to/from other > instructors to view other assignment submissions). > > 3. The proposed integration appears to assume that all integration > with the Turnitin service is done live. What happens for example if > the Turnitin service is unavailable at the time that a student > submits an assignment, or bandwidth availability is such that > response times are very slow at the time when an assignment views > the instructor list? The current integration uses a queuing strategy > with local storage of report scores to avoid these issues. > > 4. Are Unicon/Turnitin proposing to extend the existing integration, > or completely replace it? If so, and assuming the new integration > meets all the functional requirements of the existing integration, > how will the proposed architecture preserve vendor independence, > i.e. what happens when another vendor with a competitive product > wishes to make their service available from within Sakai tools? > > Regards > Stephen > > Stephen Marquard, Learning Technologies Co-ordinator > Centre for Educational Technology, University of Cape Town > http://www.cet.uct.ac.za > Email/IM/XMPP: stephen.marquard@... > Phone: +27-21-650-5037 Cell: +27-83-500-5290 > > > >>> David Wu <davidw@...> 2008/11/05 06:24 PM >>> > Hi all, > > It seems the attachment didn't make it out to some of the lists, so > I've posted it on the confluence page: > > http://confluence.sakaiproject.org/confluence/display/SAKDEV/TurnItIn+Integration > http://confluence.sakaiproject.org/confluence/pages/viewpageattachments.action?pageId=27164674 > > Please let me know if you have any problems getting to the attachment. > > Your time and feedback are greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > Dave > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Wu" <davidw@...> > To: "pedagogy" <pedagogy@...>, "Sakai Dev" <sakai-dev@... > >, sakai-user@... > Cc: "Christian Storm" <storm@...>, "Allen Chen" <achen@... > >, "Kate Valenti" <kvalenti@...>, selliott@..., > "Michael Korcuska" <mkorcuska@...>, "Aras Seddigh" <arass@... > >, "David Goodrum" <goodrum@...>, "Ciellie van Vuuren > Jansen" <10092757@...>, "Josh Baron" <Josh.Baron@...>, > "Anthony Whyte" <arwhyte@...>, "Pretorius Boeta" <boeta.pretorius@... > >, "Noah Botimer" <botimer@...>, "Leasia John" <jleasia@... > >, "Stephen Marquard" <stephen.marquard@...>, "Steven Foehr" <steve@... > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 4, 2008 3:01:18 PM (GMT-0800) America/ > Los_Angeles > Subject: Re: Interest in a Turnitin-Sakai Integration? > > > Hi all, > > As promised, Unicon has finished the initial draft of the > specification, and it is attached to this email for your review and > feedback. > > Please send comments, feedback and questions to: > > David Wu, iParadigms, davidw@... > Kate Valenti, Unicon, kvalenti@... > > As mentioned in my previous email, please try and get the feedback > back to us by 11/18. > > This is a great step in moving forward to building out a tight > integration, and I look forward to hearing from you. > > Thanks, > Dave > > > David Wu > Programming Manager > iParadigms LLC > 1624 Franklin Street 7th Floor > Oakland, CA 94612 > p. +1-510-287-9720 x284 > f. +1-510-444-1952 > e. davidw@... > > > The information contained in this message may be privileged and > confidential and protected from disclosure. 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	Re: Interest in a Turnitin-Sakai Integration? by Charles Hedrick :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message We've just finished a semester with the existing Turnitin integregation. It's been used, and it's useful, but based on our experiences some work needs to be done. There are a number of restrictions in the Turnitin service (not the integration), such as file formats supported, 10 MB limit, and one file per assignment. Also, submissions fail if a user doesn't have an emal address, first name or last name. If something fails, the instructor can't tell why. In most cases there's an entry in catalina.out, if debugging is on. But that doesn't help the users. Both the student and instructor should be able to see * current state: waiting for batch job, submitted, returned * any errors Instructors don't consider a service dependable if it fails mysteriously part of the time. On Nov 7, 2008, at 5:30 AM, Steve Swinsburg wrote: > I'll add my 2cents and say that any TurnItIn integration with Sakai > must be able to be queued and run at a later date. This would be > complemented by a set of Quartz jobs or similar that take care of > the sending of submitted assignments to TurnItin, requesting scores > for submitted assignments and storing them in the local database and > perhaps even the creation of assignments in Turnitin automatically > (not necessarily live). > > > cheers, > Steve > > --- > Steve Swinsburg > Portal Systems Developer > Centre for e-Science > Lancaster University > Lancaster > LA1 4YT > > email: s.swinsburg@... > phone: +44 (0) 1524 594870 > > > > > > > > On 7 Nov 2008, at 09:59, Stephen Marquard wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> Here's my initial feedback: >> >> 1. As the new spec does not refer to the existing Turnitin Sakai >> integration, it's not clear exactly what the relationship is >> between the feature sets of the current and proposed integrations. >> A gap analysis or comparison in table form would be helpful to see >> this more clearly. >> >> 2. The proposed integration does not seem to solve some of the >> existing constraints of the current integration, specifically the >> mapping issue of Sakai assignments that have potentially multiple >> owners or associated instructors to Turnitin assignments that are >> associated with a single instructor (especially in relation to >> followup inbound or outbound emailed requests to/from other >> instructors to view other assignment submissions). >> >> 3. The proposed integration appears to assume that all integration >> with the Turnitin service is done live. What happens for example if >> the Turnitin service is unavailable at the time that a student >> submits an assignment, or bandwidth availability is such that >> response times are very slow at the time when an assignment views >> the instructor list? The current integration uses a queuing >> strategy with local storage of report scores to avoid these issues. >> >> 4. Are Unicon/Turnitin proposing to extend the existing >> integration, or completely replace it? If so, and assuming the new >> integration meets all the functional requirements of the existing >> integration, how will the proposed architecture preserve vendor >> independence, i.e. what happens when another vendor with a >> competitive product wishes to make their service available from >> within Sakai tools? >> >> Regards >> Stephen >> >> Stephen Marquard, Learning Technologies Co-ordinator >> Centre for Educational Technology, University of Cape Town >> http://www.cet.uct.ac.za >> Email/IM/XMPP: stephen.marquard@... >> Phone: +27-21-650-5037 Cell: +27-83-500-5290 >> >> >> >>> David Wu <davidw@...> 2008/11/05 06:24 PM >>> >> Hi all, >> >> It seems the attachment didn't make it out to some of the lists, so >> I've posted it on the confluence page: >> >> http://confluence.sakaiproject.org/confluence/display/SAKDEV/TurnItIn+Integration >> http://confluence.sakaiproject.org/confluence/pages/viewpageattachments.action?pageId=27164674 >> >> Please let me know if you have any problems getting to the >> attachment. >> >> Your time and feedback are greatly appreciated. >> >> Thanks, >> Dave >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "David Wu" <davidw@...> >> To: "pedagogy" <pedagogy@...>, "Sakai Dev" <sakai-dev@... >> >, sakai-user@... >> Cc: "Christian Storm" <storm@...>, "Allen Chen" <achen@... >> >, "Kate Valenti" <kvalenti@...>, selliott@..., >> "Michael Korcuska" <mkorcuska@...>, "Aras Seddigh" <arass@... >> >, "David Goodrum" <goodrum@...>, "Ciellie van Vuuren >> Jansen" <10092757@...>, "Josh Baron" <Josh.Baron@...>, >> "Anthony Whyte" <arwhyte@...>, "Pretorius Boeta" <boeta.pretorius@... >> >, "Noah Botimer" <botimer@...>, "Leasia John" <jleasia@... >> >, "Stephen Marquard" <stephen.marquard@...>, "Steven Foehr" <steve@... >> > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 4, 2008 3:01:18 PM (GMT-0800) America/ >> Los_Angeles >> Subject: Re: Interest in a Turnitin-Sakai Integration? >> >> >> Hi all, >> >> As promised, Unicon has finished the initial draft of the >> specification, and it is attached to this email for your review and >> feedback. >> >> Please send comments, feedback and questions to: >> >> David Wu, iParadigms, davidw@... >> Kate Valenti, Unicon, kvalenti@... >> >> As mentioned in my previous email, please try and get the feedback >> back to us by 11/18. >> >> This is a great step in moving forward to building out a tight >> integration, and I look forward to hearing from you. >> >> Thanks, >> Dave >> >> >> David Wu >> Programming Manager >> iParadigms LLC >> 1624 Franklin Street 7th Floor >> Oakland, CA 94612 >> p. +1-510-287-9720 x284 >> f. +1-510-444-1952 >> e. davidw@... >> >> >> The information contained in this message may be privileged and >> confidential and protected from disclosure. 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	Re: Interest in a Turnitin-Sakai Integration? by David Wu-4 :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message Hi all, Apologies for cross-posting and any duplicate versions of this email you might receive, but we wanted to get this information out to as wide an audience as possible. In an effort to spearhead the development of a Turnitin-Sakai integration/patch, as mentioned in my previous email copied below, iParadigms, in conjunction with UNICON, has begun the process of coming up with a functional design/specification of what a Turnitin- Sakai integration would look like. UNICON is helping us to write the document, and we expect the initial draft to be ready by 11/4. We are hoping to allow interested parties to give their feedback on the document, which would help us have a better idea of how our customers would like to see the integration work or help us find areas we didn't take into consideration. However, because we are on a timeline, we'd like to get this feedback as soon as possible, preferably within two weeks from 11/4. Hopefully this advanced notice will help you allocate some time and resources to be able to look at this within the given timeframe. We hope to begin development based on this specification at the end of the two-week period. Please be aware that this integration/patch will be for the Assignments 1 tool in Sakai (we hope to be able to adapt this to the Assignments 2 tool when it is ready and in production, which we've heard is scheduled for Sakai 2.7 to be released in Summer 2009 -- please let us know if this is incorrect). You can send your feedback and suggestions to myself and/or our contact at UNICON, Kate Valenti. More details to come when we send out the document on the 4th. We hope that this document will present an integration that will be the most useful for Sakai users, and thus your feedback would be very helpful. Please feel free to pass this on to any other interested parties you might know of. Thanks for your help and cooperation. David David Wu Programming Manager iParadigms LLC 1624 Franklin Street 7th Floor Oakland, CA 94612 p. +1-510-287-9720 x284 f. +1-510-444-1952 e. davidw@... The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. On Aug 14, 2008, at 9:57 AM, David Wu wrote: > Hi all, > > My name is David Wu, and I am the lead developer for integrations at > iParadigms, the makers of Turnitin. Over the past few years, we've > had increasing requests for an integration between our Turnitin > product and Sakai, and we've been exploring different ways that this > might be best accomplished. > > I've put out this announcement on the developers list, but I didn't > get too many responses, and I thought I'd try it here, to see if > there is any interest. > > > "iParadigms (the makers of Turnitin) have been hearing from various > clients over the past couple of years interest in an integration > between Sakai and Turnitin. We would definitely like to collaborate > and work on such a project. We are aware that the University of > Cape Town has already developed an integration for their own needs, > and we think that is a great start. With the development of the new > assignment tool in Sakai, we'd like to take this opportunity to take > an integration even farther by making sure that our integration will > work with this new assignment tool and that it will integrate and > work nicely with the built-in features of Sakai. To do so, we'd > like to come up with detailed requirements and specifications of > what this integration would look like, hopefully to be generated by > those universities that are interested in such an integration, so > that we know that what we should build will be as much of what the > people who are going to be using it want. Also, in developing this > integration, we know that we could go the route of trying to do it > ourselves, but seeing as how I am not familiar with Sakai like many > of those in the community, an integration done by ourselves might > take a lot longer to develop and not be done in the best, most- > efficient, complete way. We believe that if there are developers > out there who are much more familiar with Sakai, the APIs, the right > functions to use, the right places to insert code, etc., and that > they are willing to work with us on this, that would be the best way > to make the integration. Our team would be willing to learn and > help develop on the Sakai end however we can, and of course we would > develop the Turnitin side of the API and any other hooks, etc. that > would be needed to make the integration with Turnitin work. We > would like to see who out there would have the time and the > resources to help in coming up with the requirements and > specifications as soon as possible and then passing that around to > get as much feedback as possible. From there, we would also like to > see who out there would have the time and resources to help in > developing the integration on the Sakai end. We are definitely > interested in getting this started, rolling and finished as quickly > as possible, and we look forward to working with you on it." > > However, though there were a couple of institutions that responded, > we haven't gained much traction. It seems there is interest, but > not a lot of available resources to help work on the integration. > > I'd still like to try to get a few interested institutions involved, > but it was also suggested to put out there if that institutions > could not put in people resources into working on such a project, > perhaps they might have budget to help fund an integration where > Turnitin could work with a commercial/contracting development group > to help us design and develop this integration to get the ball > rolling. > > Please let me know if you're interest and capabilities lie in either > area. I appreciate your feedback. > > Thanks, > Dave > > David Wu > Programming Manager > iParadigms LLC > 1624 Franklin Street 7th Floor > Oakland, CA 94612 > p. +1-510-287-9720 x284 > f. +1-510-444-1952 > e. davidw@... > > The information contained in this message may be privileged and > confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this > message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent > responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, > you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or > copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have > received this communication in error, please notify the sender > immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your > computer. > > ---------------------- This automatic notification message was sent by Sakai Collab (https://collab.sakaiproject.org//portal) from the DG: Teaching & Learning site. 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	Re: Interest in a Turnitin-Sakai Integration? by David Wu-4 :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message Hi all, As promised, Unicon has finished the initial draft of the specification, and it is attached to this email for your review and feedback. Please send comments, feedback and questions to: David Wu, iParadigms, davidw@... Kate Valenti, Unicon, kvalenti@... As mentioned in my previous email, please try and get the feedback back to us by 11/18. This is a great step in moving forward to building out a tight integration, and I look forward to hearing from you. Thanks, Dave David Wu Programming Manager iParadigms LLC 1624 Franklin Street 7th Floor Oakland, CA 94612 p. +1-510-287-9720 x284 f. +1-510-444-1952 e. davidw@... The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Wu" <davidw@...> To: "pedagogy" <pedagogy@...>, "Sakai Dev" <sakai-dev@...>, sakai-user@... Cc: "Christian Storm" <storm@...>, "Allen Chen" <achen@...>, "Kate Valenti" <kvalenti@...>, selliott@..., "Michael Korcuska" <mkorcuska@...>, "Aras Seddigh" <arass@...>, "David Goodrum" <goodrum@...>, "Ciellie van Vuuren Jansen" <10092757@...>, "Josh Baron" <Josh.Baron@...>, "Anthony Whyte" <arwhyte@...>, "Pretorius Boeta" <boeta.pretorius@...>, "Noah Botimer" <botimer@...>, "Leasia John" <jleasia@...>, "Stephen Marquard" <stephen.marquard@...>, "Steven Foehr" <steve@...> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 4:20:12 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles Subject: Re: Interest in a Turnitin-Sakai Integration? Hi all, Apologies for cross-posting and any duplicate versions of this email you might receive, but we wanted to get this information out to as wide an audience as possible. In an effort to spearhead the development of a Turnitin-Sakai integration/patch, as mentioned in my previous email copied below, iParadigms, in conjunction with UNICON, has begun the process of coming up with a functional design/specification of what a Turnitin-Sakai integration would look like. UNICON is helping us to write the document, and we expect the initial draft to be ready by 11/4. We are hoping to allow interested parties to give their feedback on the document, which would help us have a better idea of how our customers would like to see the integration work or help us find areas we didn't take into consideration. However, because we are on a timeline, we'd like to get this feedback as soon as possible, preferably within two weeks from 11/4. Hopefully this advanced notice will help you allocate some time and resources to be able to look at this within the given timeframe. We hope to begin development based on this specification at the end of the two-week period. Please be aware that this integration/patch will be for the Assignments 1 tool in Sakai (we hope to be able to adapt this to the Assignments 2 tool when it is ready and in production, which we've heard is scheduled for Sakai 2.7 to be released in Summer 2009 -- please let us know if this is incorrect). You can send your feedback and suggestions to myself and/or our contact at UNICON, Kate Valenti. More details to come when we send out the document on the 4th. We hope that this document will present an integration that will be the most useful for Sakai users, and thus your feedback would be very helpful. Please feel free to pass this on to any other interested parties you might know of. Thanks for your help and cooperation. David David Wu Programming Manager iParadigms LLC 1624 Franklin Street 7th Floor Oakland, CA 94612 p. +1-510-287-9720 x284 f. +1-510-444-1952 e. davidw@... The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. On Aug 14, 2008, at 9:57 AM, David Wu wrote: Hi all, My name is David Wu, and I am the lead developer for integrations at iParadigms, the makers of Turnitin. Over the past few years, we've had increasing requests for an integration between our Turnitin product and Sakai, and we've been exploring different ways that this might be best accomplished. I've put out this announcement on the developers list, but I didn't get too many responses, and I thought I'd try it here, to see if there is any interest. "iParadigms (the makers of Turnitin) have been hearing from various clients over the past couple of years interest in an integration between Sakai and Turnitin. We would definitely like to collaborate and work on such a project. We are aware that the University of Cape Town has already developed an integration for their own needs, and we think that is a great start. With the development of the new assignment tool in Sakai, we'd like to take this opportunity to take an integration even farther by making sure that our integration will work with this new assignment tool and that it will integrate and work nicely with the built-in features of Sakai. To do so, we'd like to come up with detailed requirements and specifications of what this integration would look like, hopefully to be generated by those universities that are interested in such an integration, so that we know that what we should build will be as much of what the people who are going to be using it want Also, in developing this integration, we know that we could go the route of trying to do it ourselves, but seeing as how I am not familiar with Sakai like many of those in the community, an integration done by ourselves might take a lot longer to develop and not be done in the best, most-efficient, complete way. We believe that if there are developers out there who are much more familiar with Sakai, the APIs, the right functions to use, the right places to insert code, etc., and that they are willing to work with us on this, that would be the best way to make the integration. Our team would be willing to learn and help develop on the Sakai end however we can, and of course we would develop the Turnitin side of the API and any other hooks, etc. that would be needed to make the integration with Turnitin work. We would like to see who out there would have the time and the resources to help in coming up with the requirements and specifications as soon as possible and then passing that around to get as much feedback as possible. From there, we would also like to see who out there would have the time and resources to help in developing the integration on the Sakai end. We are definitely interested in getting this started, rolling and finished as quickly as possible, and we look forward to working with you on it." However, though there were a couple of institutions that responded, we haven't gained much traction. It seems there is interest, but not a lot of available resources to help work on the integration. I'd still like to try to get a few interested institutions involved, but it was also suggested to put out there if that institutions could not put in people resources into working on such a project, perhaps they might have budget to help fund an integration where Turnitin could work with a commercial/contracting development group to help us design and develop this integration to get the ball rolling. Please let me know if you're interest and capabilities lie in either area. I appreciate your feedback. Thanks, Dave David Wu Programming Manager iParadigms LLC 1624 Franklin Street 7th Floor Oakland, CA 94612 p. +1-510-287-9720 x284 f. +1-510-444-1952 e. davidw@... The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. 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	Re: Interest in a Turnitin-Sakai Integration? by David Wu-4 :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message Hi all, It seems the attachment didn't make it out to some of the lists, so I've posted it on the confluence page: http://confluence.sakaiproject.org/confluence/display/SAKDEV/TurnItIn+Integration http://confluence.sakaiproject.org/confluence/pages/viewpageattachments.action?pageId=27164674 Please let me know if you have any problems getting to the attachment. Your time and feedback are greatly appreciated. Thanks, Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Wu" <davidw@...> To: "pedagogy" <pedagogy@...>, "Sakai Dev" <sakai-dev@...>, sakai-user@... Cc: "Christian Storm" <storm@...>, "Allen Chen" <achen@...>, "Kate Valenti" <kvalenti@...>, selliott@..., "Michael Korcuska" <mkorcuska@...>, "Aras Seddigh" <arass@...>, "David Goodrum" <goodrum@...>, "Ciellie van Vuuren Jansen" <10092757@...>, "Josh Baron" <Josh.Baron@...>, "Anthony Whyte" <arwhyte@...>, "Pretorius Boeta" <boeta.pretorius@...>, "Noah Botimer" <botimer@...>, "Leasia John" <jleasia@...>, "Stephen Marquard" <stephen.marquard@...>, "Steven Foehr" <steve@...> Sent: Tuesday, November 4, 2008 3:01:18 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles Subject: Re: Interest in a Turnitin-Sakai Integration? Hi all, As promised, Unicon has finished the initial draft of the specification, and it is attached to this email for your review and feedback. Please send comments, feedback and questions to: David Wu, iParadigms, davidw@... Kate Valenti, Unicon, kvalenti@... As mentioned in my previous email, please try and get the feedback back to us by 11/18. This is a great step in moving forward to building out a tight integration, and I look forward to hearing from you. Thanks, Dave David Wu Programming Manager iParadigms LLC 1624 Franklin Street 7th Floor Oakland, CA 94612 p. +1-510-287-9720 x284 f. +1-510-444-1952 e. davidw@... The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Wu" <davidw@...> To: "pedagogy" <pedagogy@...>, "Sakai Dev" <sakai-dev@...>, sakai-user@... Cc: "Christian Storm" <storm@...>, "Allen Chen" <achen@...>, "Kate Valenti" <kvalenti@...>, selliott@..., "Michael Korcuska" <mkorcuska@...>, "Aras Seddigh" <arass@...>, "David Goodrum" <goodrum@...>, "Ciellie van Vuuren Jansen" <10092757@...>, "Josh Baron" <Josh.Baron@...>, "Anthony Whyte" <arwhyte@...>, "Pretorius Boeta" <boeta.pretorius@...>, "Noah Botimer" <botimer@...>, "Leasia John" <jleasia@...>, "Stephen Marquard" <stephen.marquard@...>, "Steven Foehr" <steve@...> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 4:20:12 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles Subject: Re: Interest in a Turnitin-Sakai Integration? Hi all, Apologies for cross-posting and any duplicate versions of this email you might receive, but we wanted to get this information out to as wide an audience as possible. In an effort to spearhead the development of a Turnitin-Sakai integration/patch, as mentioned in my previous email copied below, iParadigms, in conjunction with UNICON, has begun the process of coming up with a functional design/specification of what a Turnitin-Sakai integration would look like. UNICON is helping us to write the document, and we expect the initial draft to be ready by 11/4. We are hoping to allow interested parties to give their feedback on the document, which would help us have a better idea of how our customers would like to see the integration work or help us find areas we didn't take into consideration. However, because we are on a timeline, we'd like to get this feedback as soon as possible, preferably within two weeks from 11/4. Hopefully this advanced notice will help you allocate some time and resources to be able to look at this within the given timeframe. We hope to begin development based on this specification at the end of the two-week period. Please be aware that this integration/patch will be for the Assignments 1 tool in Sakai (we hope to be able to adapt this to the Assignments 2 tool when it is ready and in production, which we've heard is scheduled for Sakai 2.7 to be released in Summer 2009 -- please let us know if this is incorrect). You can send your feedback and suggestions to myself and/or our contact at UNICON, Kate Valenti. More details to come when we send out the document on the 4th. We hope that this document will present an integration that will be the most useful for Sakai users, and thus your feedback would be very helpful. Please feel free to pass this on to any other interested parties you might know of. Thanks for your help and cooperation. David David Wu Programming Manager iParadigms LLC 1624 Franklin Street 7th Floor Oakland, CA 94612 p. +1-510-287-9720 x284 f. +1-510-444-1952 e. davidw@... The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. On Aug 14, 2008, at 9:57 AM, David Wu wrote: Hi all, My name is David Wu, and I am the lead developer for integrations at iParadigms, the makers of Turnitin. Over the past few years, we've had increasing requests for an integration between our Turnitin product and Sakai, and we've been exploring different ways that this might be best accomplished. I've put out this announcement on the developers list, but I didn't get too many responses, and I thought I'd try it here, to see if there is any interest. "iParadigms (the makers of Turnitin) have been hearing from various clients over the past couple of years interest in an integration between Sakai and Turnitin. We would definitely like to collaborate and work on such a project. We are aware that the University of Cape Town has already developed an integration for their own needs, and we think that is a great start. With the development of the new assignment tool in Sakai, we'd like to take this opportunity to take an integration even farther by making sure that our integration will work with this new assignment tool and that it will integrate and work nicely with the built-in features of Sakai. To do so, we'd like to come up with detailed requirements and specifications of what this integration would look like, hopefully to be generated by those universities that are interested in such an integration, so that we know that what we should build will be as much of what the people who are going to be using it want Also, in developing this integration, we know that we could go the route of trying to do it ourselves, but seeing as how I am not familiar with Sakai like many of those in the community, an integration done by ourselves might take a lot longer to develop and not be done in the best, most-efficient, complete way. We believe that if there are developers out there who are much more familiar with Sakai, the APIs, the right functions to use, the right places to insert code, etc., and that they are willing to work with us on this, that would be the best way to make the integration. Our team would be willing to learn and help develop on the Sakai end however we can, and of course we would develop the Turnitin side of the API and any other hooks, etc. that would be needed to make the integration with Turnitin work. We would like to see who out there would have the time and the resources to help in coming up with the requirements and specifications as soon as possible and then passing that around to get as much feedback as possible. From there, we would also like to see who out there would have the time and resources to help in developing the integration on the Sakai end. We are definitely interested in getting this started, rolling and finished as quickly as possible, and we look forward to working with you on it." However, though there were a couple of institutions that responded, we haven't gained much traction. It seems there is interest, but not a lot of available resources to help work on the integration. I'd still like to try to get a few interested institutions involved, but it was also suggested to put out there if that institutions could not put in people resources into working on such a project, perhaps they might have budget to help fund an integration where Turnitin could work with a commercial/contracting development group to help us design and develop this integration to get the ball rolling. Please let me know if you're interest and capabilities lie in either area. I appreciate your feedback. Thanks, Dave David Wu Programming Manager iParadigms LLC 1624 Franklin Street 7th Floor Oakland, CA 94612 p. +1-510-287-9720 x284 f. +1-510-444-1952 e. davidw@... The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. 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	Re: Interest in a Turnitin-Sakai Integration? by Stephen Marquard :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message Hi all, Here's my initial feedback: 1. As the new spec does not refer to the existing Turnitin Sakai integration, it's not clear exactly what the relationship is between the feature sets of the current and proposed integrations. A gap analysis or comparison in table form would be helpful to see this more clearly. 2. The proposed integration does not seem to solve some of the existing constraints of the current integration, specifically the mapping issue of Sakai assignments that have potentially multiple owners or associated instructors to Turnitin assignments that are associated with a single instructor (especially in relation to followup inbound or outbound emailed requests to/from other instructors to view other assignment submissions). 3. The proposed integration appears to assume that all integration with the Turnitin service is done live. What happens for example if the Turnitin service is unavailable at the time that a student submits an assignment, or bandwidth availability is such that response times are very slow at the time when an assignment views the instructor list? The current integration uses a queuing strategy with local storage of report scores to avoid these issues. 4. Are Unicon/Turnitin proposing to extend the existing integration, or completely replace it? If so, and assuming the new integration meets all the functional requirements of the existing integration, how will the proposed architecture preserve vendor independence, i.e. what happens when another vendor with a competitive product wishes to make their service available from within Sakai tools? Regards Stephen Stephen Marquard, Learning Technologies Co-ordinator Centre for Educational Technology, University of Cape Town http://www.cet.uct.ac.za Email/IM/XMPP: stephen.marquard@... Phone: +27-21-650-5037 Cell: +27-83-500-5290 >>> David Wu <davidw@...> 2008/11/05 06:24 PM >>> Hi all, It seems the attachment didn't make it out to some of the lists, so I've posted it on the confluence page: http://confluence.sakaiproject.org/confluence/display/SAKDEV/TurnItIn+Integration http://confluence.sakaiproject.org/confluence/pages/viewpageattachments.action?pageId=27164674 Please let me know if you have any problems getting to the attachment. Your time and feedback are greatly appreciated. Thanks, Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Wu" <davidw@...> To: "pedagogy" <pedagogy@...>, "Sakai Dev" <sakai-dev@...>, sakai-user@... Cc: "Christian Storm" <storm@...>, "Allen Chen" <achen@...>, "Kate Valenti" <kvalenti@...>, selliott@..., "Michael Korcuska" <mkorcuska@...>, "Aras Seddigh" <arass@...>, "David Goodrum" <goodrum@...>, "Ciellie van Vuuren Jansen" <10092757@...>, "Josh Baron" <Josh.Baron@...>, "Anthony Whyte" <arwhyte@...>, "Pretorius Boeta" <boeta.pretorius@...>, "Noah Botimer" <botimer@...>, "Leasia John" <jleasia@...>, "Stephen Marquard" <stephen.marquard@...>, "Steven Foehr" <steve@...> Sent: Tuesday, November 4, 2008 3:01:18 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles Subject: Re: Interest in a Turnitin-Sakai Integration? Hi all, As promised, Unicon has finished the initial draft of the specification, and it is attached to this email for your review and feedback. Please send comments, feedback and questions to: David Wu, iParadigms, davidw@... Kate Valenti, Unicon, kvalenti@... As mentioned in my previous email, please try and get the feedback back to us by 11/18. This is a great step in moving forward to building out a tight integration, and I look forward to hearing from you. Thanks, Dave David Wu Programming Manager iParadigms LLC 1624 Franklin Street 7th Floor Oakland, CA 94612 p. +1-510-287-9720 x284 f. +1-510-444-1952 e. davidw@... The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. ---------------------- This automatic notification message was sent by Sakai Collab (https://collab.sakaiproject.org//portal) from the DG: Teaching & Learning site. You can modify how you receive notifications at My Workspace > Preferences.
	Re: Interest in a Turnitin-Sakai Integration? by Steve Swinsburg-2 :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message I'll add my 2cents and say that any TurnItIn integration with Sakai must be able to be queued and run at a later date. This would be complemented by a set of Quartz jobs or similar that take care of the sending of submitted assignments to TurnItin, requesting scores for submitted assignments and storing them in the local database and perhaps even the creation of assignments in Turnitin automatically (not necessarily live). cheers, Steve --- Steve Swinsburg Portal Systems Developer Centre for e-Science Lancaster University Lancaster LA1 4YT email: s.swinsburg@... phone: +44 (0) 1524 594870 On 7 Nov 2008, at 09:59, Stephen Marquard wrote: > Hi all, > > Here's my initial feedback: > > 1. As the new spec does not refer to the existing Turnitin Sakai > integration, it's not clear exactly what the relationship is between > the feature sets of the current and proposed integrations. A gap > analysis or comparison in table form would be helpful to see this > more clearly. > > 2. The proposed integration does not seem to solve some of the > existing constraints of the current integration, specifically the > mapping issue of Sakai assignments that have potentially multiple > owners or associated instructors to Turnitin assignments that are > associated with a single instructor (especially in relation to > followup inbound or outbound emailed requests to/from other > instructors to view other assignment submissions). > > 3. The proposed integration appears to assume that all integration > with the Turnitin service is done live. What happens for example if > the Turnitin service is unavailable at the time that a student > submits an assignment, or bandwidth availability is such that > response times are very slow at the time when an assignment views > the instructor list? The current integration uses a queuing strategy > with local storage of report scores to avoid these issues. > > 4. Are Unicon/Turnitin proposing to extend the existing integration, > or completely replace it? If so, and assuming the new integration > meets all the functional requirements of the existing integration, > how will the proposed architecture preserve vendor independence, > i.e. what happens when another vendor with a competitive product > wishes to make their service available from within Sakai tools? > > Regards > Stephen > > Stephen Marquard, Learning Technologies Co-ordinator > Centre for Educational Technology, University of Cape Town > http://www.cet.uct.ac.za > Email/IM/XMPP: stephen.marquard@... > Phone: +27-21-650-5037 Cell: +27-83-500-5290 > > > >>> David Wu <davidw@...> 2008/11/05 06:24 PM >>> > Hi all, > > It seems the attachment didn't make it out to some of the lists, so > I've posted it on the confluence page: > > http://confluence.sakaiproject.org/confluence/display/SAKDEV/TurnItIn+Integration > http://confluence.sakaiproject.org/confluence/pages/viewpageattachments.action?pageId=27164674 > > Please let me know if you have any problems getting to the attachment. > > Your time and feedback are greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > Dave > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Wu" <davidw@...> > To: "pedagogy" <pedagogy@...>, "Sakai Dev" <sakai-dev@... > >, sakai-user@... > Cc: "Christian Storm" <storm@...>, "Allen Chen" <achen@... > >, "Kate Valenti" <kvalenti@...>, selliott@..., > "Michael Korcuska" <mkorcuska@...>, "Aras Seddigh" <arass@... > >, "David Goodrum" <goodrum@...>, "Ciellie van Vuuren > Jansen" <10092757@...>, "Josh Baron" <Josh.Baron@...>, > "Anthony Whyte" <arwhyte@...>, "Pretorius Boeta" <boeta.pretorius@... > >, "Noah Botimer" <botimer@...>, "Leasia John" <jleasia@... > >, "Stephen Marquard" <stephen.marquard@...>, "Steven Foehr" <steve@... > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 4, 2008 3:01:18 PM (GMT-0800) America/ > Los_Angeles > Subject: Re: Interest in a Turnitin-Sakai Integration? > > > Hi all, > > As promised, Unicon has finished the initial draft of the > specification, and it is attached to this email for your review and > feedback. > > Please send comments, feedback and questions to: > > David Wu, iParadigms, davidw@... > Kate Valenti, Unicon, kvalenti@... > > As mentioned in my previous email, please try and get the feedback > back to us by 11/18. > > This is a great step in moving forward to building out a tight > integration, and I look forward to hearing from you. > > Thanks, > Dave > > > David Wu > Programming Manager > iParadigms LLC > 1624 Franklin Street 7th Floor > Oakland, CA 94612 > p. +1-510-287-9720 x284 > f. +1-510-444-1952 > e. davidw@... > > > The information contained in this message may be privileged and > confidential and protected from disclosure. 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	Re: Interest in a Turnitin-Sakai Integration? by Charles Hedrick :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message It looked like responses would go to Confluence, so that's what I did. But given the continuing discussion here, I'm repeating it here: Rutgers is currently using the integration from contrib. It works fine. A number of faculty are using it. I'm not entirely sure how your requirements compare with what's there now. I'd like not to lose functionality or integration compared to what we now have. The one problem I've run into with the current integration is that only the first paper attached to a submission is reviewed. A knowledgeable student could add two attachments, with the first being innocuous. The second wouldn't be reviewed, but the instructor might not realize that. I believe all should be reviewed, even if Sakai has to generate fictitious assignments (since apparently Turnitin only has one paper per assignment.) You should also make sure that if a student resubmits, the new set of papers are reviewed. We also had a situation where a faculty member wanted to submit several papers that for one reason or another he had gotten directly, and not through the assignments tool. I think this is a useful function. Again, there was no way to do it because of the one paper per assignment thing. I advised him to duplicate the assignment once per student, a solution he wasn't happy with. On accounts: note that there can be more than one instructor and instructors can change during the course. Please make sure that nothing is lost if one instructor is removed and another added. I would think it might make more sense to use an account associated with the site, not the instructor. On Nov 7, 2008, at 4:59 AM, Stephen Marquard wrote: > Hi all, > > Here's my initial feedback: > > 1. As the new spec does not refer to the existing Turnitin Sakai > integration, it's not clear exactly what the relationship is between > the feature sets of the current and proposed integrations. A gap > analysis or comparison in table form would be helpful to see this > more clearly. > > 2. The proposed integration does not seem to solve some of the > existing constraints of the current integration, specifically the > mapping issue of Sakai assignments that have potentially multiple > owners or associated instructors to Turnitin assignments that are > associated with a single instructor (especially in relation to > followup inbound or outbound emailed requests to/from other > instructors to view other assignment submissions). > > 3. The proposed integration appears to assume that all integration > with the Turnitin service is done live. What happens for example if > the Turnitin service is unavailable at the time that a student > submits an assignment, or bandwidth availability is such that > response times are very slow at the time when an assignment views > the instructor list? The current integration uses a queuing strategy > with local storage of report scores to avoid these issues. > > 4. Are Unicon/Turnitin proposing to extend the existing integration, > or completely replace it? If so, and assuming the new integration > meets all the functional requirements of the existing integration, > how will the proposed architecture preserve vendor independence, > i.e. what happens when another vendor with a competitive product > wishes to make their service available from within Sakai tools? > > Regards > Stephen > > Stephen Marquard, Learning Technologies Co-ordinator > Centre for Educational Technology, University of Cape Town > http://www.cet.uct.ac.za > Email/IM/XMPP: stephen.marquard@... > Phone: +27-21-650-5037 Cell: +27-83-500-5290 > > > >>> David Wu <davidw@...> 2008/11/05 06:24 PM >>> > Hi all, > > It seems the attachment didn't make it out to some of the lists, so > I've posted it on the confluence page: > > http://confluence.sakaiproject.org/confluence/display/SAKDEV/TurnItIn+Integration > http://confluence.sakaiproject.org/confluence/pages/viewpageattachments.action?pageId=27164674 > > Please let me know if you have any problems getting to the attachment. > > Your time and feedback are greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > Dave > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Wu" <davidw@...> > To: "pedagogy" <pedagogy@...>, "Sakai Dev" <sakai-dev@... > >, sakai-user@... > Cc: "Christian Storm" <storm@...>, "Allen Chen" <achen@... > >, "Kate Valenti" <kvalenti@...>, selliott@..., > "Michael Korcuska" <mkorcuska@...>, "Aras Seddigh" <arass@... > >, "David Goodrum" <goodrum@...>, "Ciellie van Vuuren > Jansen" <10092757@...>, "Josh Baron" <Josh.Baron@...>, > "Anthony Whyte" <arwhyte@...>, "Pretorius Boeta" <boeta.pretorius@... > >, "Noah Botimer" <botimer@...>, "Leasia John" <jleasia@... > >, "Stephen Marquard" <stephen.marquard@...>, "Steven Foehr" <steve@... > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 4, 2008 3:01:18 PM (GMT-0800) America/ > Los_Angeles > Subject: Re: Interest in a Turnitin-Sakai Integration? > > > Hi all, > > As promised, Unicon has finished the initial draft of the > specification, and it is attached to this email for your review and > feedback. > > Please send comments, feedback and questions to: > > David Wu, iParadigms, davidw@... > Kate Valenti, Unicon, kvalenti@... > > As mentioned in my previous email, please try and get the feedback > back to us by 11/18. > > This is a great step in moving forward to building out a tight > integration, and I look forward to hearing from you. > > Thanks, > Dave > > > David Wu > Programming Manager > iParadigms LLC > 1624 Franklin Street 7th Floor > Oakland, CA 94612 > p. +1-510-287-9720 x284 > f. +1-510-444-1952 > e. davidw@... > > > The information contained in this message may be privileged and > confidential and protected from disclosure. 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	Re: Interest in a Turnitin-Sakai Integration? by Charles Hedrick :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message We've just finished a semester with the existing Turnitin integregation. It's been used, and it's useful, but based on our experiences some work needs to be done. There are a number of restrictions in the Turnitin service (not the integration), such as file formats supported, 10 MB limit, and one file per assignment. Also, submissions fail if a user doesn't have an emal address, first name or last name. If something fails, the instructor can't tell why. In most cases there's an entry in catalina.out, if debugging is on. But that doesn't help the users. Both the student and instructor should be able to see * current state: waiting for batch job, submitted, returned * any errors Instructors don't consider a service dependable if it fails mysteriously part of the time. On Nov 7, 2008, at 5:30 AM, Steve Swinsburg wrote: > I'll add my 2cents and say that any TurnItIn integration with Sakai > must be able to be queued and run at a later date. This would be > complemented by a set of Quartz jobs or similar that take care of > the sending of submitted assignments to TurnItin, requesting scores > for submitted assignments and storing them in the local database and > perhaps even the creation of assignments in Turnitin automatically > (not necessarily live). > > > cheers, > Steve > > --- > Steve Swinsburg > Portal Systems Developer > Centre for e-Science > Lancaster University > Lancaster > LA1 4YT > > email: s.swinsburg@... > phone: +44 (0) 1524 594870 > > > > > > > > On 7 Nov 2008, at 09:59, Stephen Marquard wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> Here's my initial feedback: >> >> 1. As the new spec does not refer to the existing Turnitin Sakai >> integration, it's not clear exactly what the relationship is >> between the feature sets of the current and proposed integrations. >> A gap analysis or comparison in table form would be helpful to see >> this more clearly. >> >> 2. The proposed integration does not seem to solve some of the >> existing constraints of the current integration, specifically the >> mapping issue of Sakai assignments that have potentially multiple >> owners or associated instructors to Turnitin assignments that are >> associated with a single instructor (especially in relation to >> followup inbound or outbound emailed requests to/from other >> instructors to view other assignment submissions). >> >> 3. The proposed integration appears to assume that all integration >> with the Turnitin service is done live. What happens for example if >> the Turnitin service is unavailable at the time that a student >> submits an assignment, or bandwidth availability is such that >> response times are very slow at the time when an assignment views >> the instructor list? The current integration uses a queuing >> strategy with local storage of report scores to avoid these issues. >> >> 4. Are Unicon/Turnitin proposing to extend the existing >> integration, or completely replace it? If so, and assuming the new >> integration meets all the functional requirements of the existing >> integration, how will the proposed architecture preserve vendor >> independence, i.e. what happens when another vendor with a >> competitive product wishes to make their service available from >> within Sakai tools? >> >> Regards >> Stephen >> >> Stephen Marquard, Learning Technologies Co-ordinator >> Centre for Educational Technology, University of Cape Town >> http://www.cet.uct.ac.za >> Email/IM/XMPP: stephen.marquard@... >> Phone: +27-21-650-5037 Cell: +27-83-500-5290 >> >> >> >>> David Wu <davidw@...> 2008/11/05 06:24 PM >>> >> Hi all, >> >> It seems the attachment didn't make it out to some of the lists, so >> I've posted it on the confluence page: >> >> http://confluence.sakaiproject.org/confluence/display/SAKDEV/TurnItIn+Integration >> http://confluence.sakaiproject.org/confluence/pages/viewpageattachments.action?pageId=27164674 >> >> Please let me know if you have any problems getting to the >> attachment. >> >> Your time and feedback are greatly appreciated. >> >> Thanks, >> Dave >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "David Wu" <davidw@...> >> To: "pedagogy" <pedagogy@...>, "Sakai Dev" <sakai-dev@... >> >, sakai-user@... >> Cc: "Christian Storm" <storm@...>, "Allen Chen" <achen@... >> >, "Kate Valenti" <kvalenti@...>, selliott@..., >> "Michael Korcuska" <mkorcuska@...>, "Aras Seddigh" <arass@... >> >, "David Goodrum" <goodrum@...>, "Ciellie van Vuuren >> Jansen" <10092757@...>, "Josh Baron" <Josh.Baron@...>, >> "Anthony Whyte" <arwhyte@...>, "Pretorius Boeta" <boeta.pretorius@... >> >, "Noah Botimer" <botimer@...>, "Leasia John" <jleasia@... >> >, "Stephen Marquard" <stephen.marquard@...>, "Steven Foehr" <steve@... >> > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 4, 2008 3:01:18 PM (GMT-0800) America/ >> Los_Angeles >> Subject: Re: Interest in a Turnitin-Sakai Integration? >> >> >> Hi all, >> >> As promised, Unicon has finished the initial draft of the >> specification, and it is attached to this email for your review and >> feedback. >> >> Please send comments, feedback and questions to: >> >> David Wu, iParadigms, davidw@... >> Kate Valenti, Unicon, kvalenti@... >> >> As mentioned in my previous email, please try and get the feedback >> back to us by 11/18. >> >> This is a great step in moving forward to building out a tight >> integration, and I look forward to hearing from you. >> >> Thanks, >> Dave >> >> >> David Wu >> Programming Manager >> iParadigms LLC >> 1624 Franklin Street 7th Floor >> Oakland, CA 94612 >> p. +1-510-287-9720 x284 >> f. +1-510-444-1952 >> e. davidw@... >> >> >> The information contained in this message may be privileged and >> confidential and protected from disclosure. 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