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by Tony Martin :: Rate this Message:

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Thanks for taking the time to reply.  Actually,  I want to apologize
about my post.  It was one of those you regret as soon as you push the
send button.  I really like Ruby and Rails.  I must have had a
frustrating day I guess.

I agree with you that it is important that the core team focus on the
development of the project.   If the way Rails is being developed is
what results in Rails being just so good - then who am I to complain?

One thing I have decided to do is to keep more abreast of the
discussions on where Rails is heading and why, but I'm not sure at the
moment where that sort of discussion might be visible.  Is there such
a thing as a core team discussion forum that is visible to the general
surfer - or is it a case of subscribing to some key blogs?

Tonypm

On Feb 24, 6:38 pm, "s.ross" <cwdi...@...> wrote:

> On Feb 24, 2008, at 4:33 AM,tonypmwrote:
>
> > So many of
> > the tutorials are now going to just not work for Rails 2 and are going
> > to point in the wrong direction, particularly as regards REST (and
> > consequently the scaffold) and routing which is getting a fairly high
> > profile.
>
> @tonypm--
>
> These changes cannot have come as a surprise to anyone who was
> tracking Rails. As with anything that has a good deal of Internet
> buzz, some of that buzz will not be updated to reflect the news.
> Still, the benefits of extracting certain functionality from Rails
> core was articulated very early. It is not the fault of the Rails core
> team that so much of the existing information you can turn up using
> Google focuses on earlier versions of Rails.
>
> Several blogs have meticulously tracked the changes as Rails core has
> merged them into edge:
>
> http://ryandaigle.com/http://blog.hasmanythrough.com/
>
> Are two good places to look. I single these two out, not because they
> are the only places to look, but rather because they are the first
> that come to mind. I even wrote a post on upgrading to Rails 2.0 that
> addressed dynamic scaffolding:
>
> http://calicowebdev.com/blog/show/17
>
> The regrettable thing about this is that dynamic scaffolding was such
> an eye-popping feature that people got used to highlighting it as an
> example of the true productivity one might achieve using Rails. In
> practice, many Rails 1.x (if not most) developers wound up creating
> their own actions and views to replace the dynamic scaffolds, yet the
> code remained in the Rails codebase. That became, essentially, dead
> code in the production codebase. Yet is cost time for the core team to
> maintain. There are other dynamic scaffold solutions available, and
> while not covered exhaustively in the "how-to's" that are so pervasive
> on the Web, they may do an even better job that Rails' original one.
>
> Pagination is another place that may disappoint. But Rails pagination
> was not considered a great solution. Many, many posts to this list
> complained about poor performance. Several replacements have emerged
> that are superior, the most popular being will_paginate (http://errtheblog.com
> ). Another one is paginating_find (http://cardboardrocket.com/pages/paginating_find
> ), which I've used to good effect in some applications.
>
> I encourage you to consider the Rails core team a limited resource and
> ask yourself whether you would prefer they spend their time keeping up
> with legacy features (even though there are better alternatives for
> them) or pushing forward.
>
> My $.02
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