Re: Is the rails 2.0 scaffold system philosophically ( not t

> Hi --
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> On Mon, 3 Mar 2008, dankelley wrote:
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> > On Mar 3, 10:47 am, "Brian Hogan" <bpho...@...> wrote:
> >>  it's much easier
> >> to start them on Rails 1.x and move to Rails 2.0 and REST later.
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> > This suggestion worries me a little, because I have found that the
> > conversion is not simple.
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> > If version 2.0 is compellingly superior to 1.x, then newbies should
> > start there.  (Using the latest stable version is a long-standing
> > tradition in software, because it is effective.)  Nothing in this long
> > and useful discussion thread suggests that the RoR developers are
> > inclined to add the feature that is being discussed to an upcoming
> > version.  And so there is a simple choice: use RoR 2.0 as it is, or
> > choose another framework.  (This second option is not meant to be
> > heretical; newbies should be aware that there are alternatives.)
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> Keep in mind, though, that Rails 2.0 is in this respects a superset of
> 1.x. You don't have to use the RESTful facilities if you don't want to
> (and you certainly don't have to use the scaffolding). I would agree
> with Brian in spirit but I'd put it slightly differently: it's easier
> to start with the non-REST stuff and then learn the REST stuff, but
> all of this can be done in the context of 2.0, i.e., it's not
> specifically a 1.x vs. 2.0 thing.
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> In training people in Rails, I definitely do not start with REST and
> resources. map.resources is essentially a macro that creates a bunch
> of named routes for you -- so if you don't know what a named route is,
> you can only do it in a black-box and parrot-like way. Learning named
> routes doesn't make much sense until you understand routes, and routes
> don't make sense until you know the basics of the request cycle... and
> so forth. So I would never introduce someone to Rails by telling them
> to write map.resources in routes.rb and trying to proceed from there.
>
> David
>
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